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Preview of KDE 3.4
comforteagle writes "In this month's KDE: From the Source George Staikos details what is to be expected from the upcoming 3.4 version of KDE. An Alpha release is due any minute so you might as well know what you're in for if you're a loyal K head. Some changes include major rework within KHTML & Konqueror, Subversion support, and Apple's Rendezvous."
I believe Apple changed the name for that. The internal name is ZeroConf.
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori
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KDE 3.3.2 was tagged today, so we should see a new bug fix release of KDE in the first or second week of December. Earlier this past week, the plans for a KDE 3.4 release were also finalized. This will be the last major KDE 3 release before KDE 4. KDE 4 will make use of the Qt 4 library which promises to be quite a revolution for KDE and all Qt applications, but will break binary compatibility with previous releases.
The release schedule for KDE 3.4 plans for an alpha release December 3, a beta release January 7, and a final release March 16 2005. The 3.4 release will bring a large number of features and functionality enhancements over previous KDE 3 releases. Here are some of the features already implemented:
Hardware Support
- Support for special keyboard keys on Dell Inspiron and ASUS laptops.
- A new battery monitor (under development).
- media:/ addition to the KDE I/O subsystem to list devices on the system.
KHTML and Konqueror
Konqueror
- KHTML has undergone major work lately, though much of it will appear in KDE 3.3.2. Merging with Safari fixes continues, alone with new work and fixes by KDE developers. Site compatibility continues to improve, stability is very much improved, and KWallet no longer blocks Konqueror while waiting for a password.
- Support for multiple site logins with KWallet (for all protocols, but not HTML form completions yet) added.
- A notifier was added to visually indicate when user-agent spoofing is active.
- KHTML plug-ins are now configurable, so the user can selectively disable ones that are not used. This does not include Netscape-style plug-ins.
- Netscape plug-in in CPU usage can be manually lowered, and plug-ins are more stable.
- Over the past couple of months, confirmed KHTML and Konqueror bug reports have been on a significant decline as bugs are fixed more rapidly and fewer are reported.
E-Mail and Personal Information Management
- Major improvements in synchronization, including support for synchronizing between two PCs.
- Enhanced support for groupware servers, including Exchange 2000, OpenGroupware, Kolab 1 and 2, SLOX, Groupwise, and eGroupware.
SLOX
- XFace support for associating faces with mail and news articles.
- Blogging and journal support.
- KMail supports KWallet.
- Client-side IMAP search support.
- Improved drag and drop in KMail.
- Improved anti-spam support in KMail.
- Uncountable other e-mail, organizer and address-book enhancements.
Kopete
- Novell Groupwise and Lotus Sametime protocol support added.
- Support for adding URLs to bookmarks.
- Drag and drop of files and contacts.
- The NetMeeting plug-in now allows the use of arbitrary applications to start a chat.
- Support for incoming MSN messages that are handwritten.
- An adium look-alike chat window style.
KPDF
- KPDF includes new numerous new features including:
- New rendering engine.
- Optimizations and enhancements for zoom, search, and thumbnails.
- Better printing (using Postscript directly).
- Support for password protected PDFs.
- Image extraction support.
- Nicer user interface in general.
Libraries
- QCA - A complete cryptography architecture.
- Usage of GCC 3.4 symbol visibility functionality for much improved application startup time.
- Optimizations of various styles and other components.
- Cleanup and reworking of KJSEmbed to make it much more functional.
- Password dialog gives feedback on the relative strength of new passwords.
Desktop / General
- KDM theme support.
- Numerous window manager enhancements, including indicators for remote applications.
- Major Kicker panel reworking, with support for hiding tray icons.
- Empty password support (password-less wallets) in KWallet.
KWallett
- Support for setting the clock with NTP.
- Completely redesigned, more flexible trash system.
Other Cool Things We Might See
All of these feature
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
...they fix alot of old bugs with KDE, including no auto-refresh!
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...to prevent obvious karma whoring?
I know I'll probably be modded down as flamebait for promoting alternative window managers in a KDE message thread, but I think it might be a good time for the every day user to take a look at how bearded terminal hackers are making things more efficient. Many "LINUX power users" are making their every day work more efficient by using and developing great window managers such as EvilWM, which I am currently typing this post up in.
Maybe a grassroots movement towards simpler window managers is in order. This would be a movement similar to what Bruce Perens trailblazed for GNU/Linux back in the early nineties to fight the onslaught of OS2 and Win 3.1. Now that we have a stable system to build upon after all of these years, we should concentrate on a good user interface. Not necessarily a Desktop User Interface, but a thin, lightweight interface that allows the user to more efficiently do their work without any messy cognitive analogies.
which is what this article lacks. Don't get me wrong--there is some cool information there, but I want to see screenies of the entire desktop--has that changed much or not?
I would also like more information about the core KDE, not just the peripheral stuff like Konq & KHTML.
All that said, the idea of a new version of KDE is fairly kool, but frankly, as an XFCE user (and occasionally Gnome), I find the KDE desktop & icons to be just a shade on the kludgy side. They don't look as clean or professional in my mind.
But that's just one geek's opinion.
"We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
Does anyone know if this will include Konquerer with the ability to use the Gecko rendering engine?
Here's a mirror.
CB
free ipod and free gmail!
Anyone know if the new KMail will supported incoming message filtering on IMAP folders? The ONLY reason I'm stuck using evolution at work is because evolution can sort mails coming into my IMAP Inbox into various other IMAP folders.
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/30/2 028209
Hope you find it to educational
Chris Williams clw7500nc@gmail.com
A more complete feature plan can be found here
Though it's not always up-to-date (some devs prefer pushing their code first, and *then* update the page).
HTH,
Kig.
-- don't discount flying pigs until you have good air defense
This is my problem too. everytime I look at KDE I get the feeling of a window manager that shivers (or refreshes) and it feels 'unstable'. Menus flickering, Icons redrawing etc. I see all these.
The problem comes when I try to find somebody that notices this too: google helps not, discussion lists either etc. Even people (like: real people) deny that they notice this refreshing/flickering.
This is one of the main reasons I avoid using KDE.. and this is one of the first times I read from somebody that he dislikes the same thing.
It's worse than a bug: it's undescribable and unreproduceable...
gtkaml.org
...but my system cannot run KDE as its libkdecore is screwed :-(.
Everytime I try updating KDE, it fails
More likely it is based on the number of users; you see, Mozilla works on Windows (you know, where the users are). With the increasing number of Mozillia users they have more people testing their stuff, Konquerer doesn't have that Windows user base.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Wait a minute!
Since when does Gmail support Konqueror?
gtkaml.org
Mirror
Put identity in the browser.
... but it's the applications that use it that will matter. Over on Mac OS X, Rendezvous is what lets you stream your iTunes music or share your iPhoto pictures. Will KDE's media player let you stream music to other KDE media players on the network? Or better yet, to and from other iTunes players?
Unfortunately, the article doesn't say so.
It is good to see Apple improvements making their way into KDE and Linux. I recently purchased a PowerMac and made the switch from Linux/Intel to Apple/PPC. Mac OS X is absolutely everything I have ever wanted in a beautifully polished and useful user interface with everything I have ever wanted in a UNIX underneath. What a beautiful OS.
Anyone know when the kitchensync will work generically with PocketPC devices?
So tired of keeping outlook around just for the ability to sync/backup...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
No. That's a hard conclusion to draw merely from bug submission rates. There are a number of other factors you have to consider to determine quality too. How do the features compare? How many users are submitting bugs? Where are the bugs occuring? How often are users using each feature?
The number of uses would be the first consideration, and by virtue of working on Windows, Mozilla just has more users. The second consideration is where are the bugs being found. If they're mostly being found in core functionality, it's likely that there is fringe functionality that cannot even be reached, hiding a totally unknown number of bugs.
Project management isn't really my thing, so I'm not sure all the factors involved, but simple bug counts and submission rates aren't enough to say much of anything.
I don't say that one has to like KDE, but "I don't like the icons" is not a very godd reason...
Calculon: An Oscar, you say? That would get me out of this festering rat's nest called "television" once and for all. Let me see the script. [Zoidberg hands it to him and he speed-reads it.] No, no I don't like the font.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
You are yet another member of that infinite and immortal group of pure morons that can NOT learn. You probably fork out $ for it too. What a looser.
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Get a life. Karma is actually just an integer on web sites.
ITS NOT REAL. You are probably hideously ugly in real life and cannot have REAL karma
summary: get over it
Not that anybody actually reads the FAQ, but wouldn't information on using Coral be something good to put in the FAQ, under the section on submitting stories?
Then, if (and this is a BIG if) the editors were to view the page (using the Coral link) before posting the story to the front page, the Coral cache would have had a chance to get to the page before the /. effect took place.
And, while I'm offtopic to the main discussion; how about a Slashdot.org story, maybe once a month, where discussions about Slashdot could take place. This would let people discuss how Slashdot works in a particular forum, instead of having to venture offtopic.
Overrated / Underrated : Moderation
Just lurk for awhile with your threshhold at 4 or 5, and notice which posts get mod'ed up. {NB. Watch out for "funny" -- funny mods don't help your karma, but downmods against "funny" do work against you. Going for +5 Funny is always a gamble, since some moderator won't get the joke.} Also, try posting comments in stories that have gone off the boil. They won't get mod'ed up, but they won't get mod'ed down either, and unmoderated posts seem to have some small positive effect on your karma -- though I haven't confirmed this, being quite happy with my own excellent karma.
When you're ready, start posting for real. Be sure to read the discussion first, before you post your post. You don't want to be the second person to say something.
When your karma reaches excellent, then you can think about some trolling. A good troll should get mod'ed up to +5 before it gets mod'ed down. Or you can try to go for the coveted 5 Funny.
Final hints: Pro-Windows and anti-copying posts are best received in the "games" section, while anti-Windows and pro-copying posts are best received in the "YRO" section. Posts worshipping the sh*t from Steve Jobs's arsehole are best received in the "apple" section. Always tick the "post anonymously" box when posting hints for karma whoring.
There would appear to be no mention of improving the menu editor. This should be a priority.
Heheh, made me laugh, but only because I suffered a year at the hands of CDE at university.
Is it me or is this browser godawful slow? I alway head to firefox since it takes 5 times longer to load a page in Konquerer. Does anyone use it with better results?
Yes its a P4 with plenty of RAM. And Firefox runs quickly. Otherwise KDE seems fine -albeit a bit tougher for the average user to configure than OSX or MS.
Dont shout and flame. Geez, some terms have multiple meaning. Bad is good, shit does not mean crap, windows is not actually a bunch of windows. The list could go on forever. You might be super smart(not as smart as me of course), a genius perhaps, but debating stuff like this with flaming is just dumb. But I agree with your points, just dont F'ing shout. A windows manager and the desktop is two different things that work togther, why not explain it if it such a personal thing to you. You dont just kick a dog and not explain why you did it...you have to point and look them in the eyes and maybe put on an angry face...
Deserving got nothing to do with it.....shuffle
"What's that, Snibs ?
- Err... That's what they call a 'mouse' in the outside world, Sir. I thought it would be an interesting device for you to see, Sir.
- A mouse ? What is it made for ? Hunt cheese bits between the coke cans ?
- No, Sir. Actually, they use it to interact with the GUI and...
- What ?! GUI ?! You bloody traitor ! GUARDS ! Take Mr. Snibs and his... rodent to the PDP-11 mental reconditioning room !"
I just upgraded to SuSe 9.2 for Groupwise functionality (there is even a Groupware setup app with a button for Groupwise). Well, it doesn't seem to work. Very disappointing.
The version of Evolution 2.0 that is shipping does not include SOAP support (this is revealed on the Novell support site) even though we have been hearing for months that Evolution 2.0 will have full Groupwise sync. Turns out only if you get the nightly snapshots, which often can have other wacky issues.
Kmail will IMAP to a Groupwise folder fine, but the rest of Kontact just pops up errors trying to connect to a SOAP server.
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I use Debian, not Suse, but I think that you're talking about the kontact-plugins and the setup app for it. It works fairly well against eGroupware for me, but I've never tried Groupwise. I suspect all this fuctionality will be better than in 3.3, but the new stuff will probably not be complete and be buggy, because that's just the way it always is.
Put identity in the browser.
MSIE is a beast that is *tied* to the kernel, uses kernel internals, and thus, is bad. I have yet to see *any* *nix desktop/window manager that does such a thing.
MSIE is no more tied to the kernel than any other application. Tied to Explorer? Absolutely, but no, not the kernel.
Neither is Microsoft Office. Everybody claims that the reason MS Word starts so quickly is that much of it is already loaded when Windows starts. Nice theory...doesn't explain why MS Word running under Wine starts blazingly fast on my Linux box.
http://groups.google.de/groups?q=suse+refresh+9.2& hl=de&lr=&selm=2vk1esF2n0d97U1%40uni-berlin.de&rnu m=2
What's interesting about this post? Nothing, it shows great ignorance.
Someone installs Slackware instead of a distribution that properly modularizes its package and dependency handling and then comes here and complains.
In Mandrake and Suse, packages are broken into smaller part. You also have meta-packages if you wish to install the whole bundle. So you can install, kde-network or you can install kget and kopete by themselves.
Get a grip and keep it!
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
Konqueror running on KDE is by far the fastest browser on Linux
lynx
links
w3m
dillo
(yes, I understood what you meant to say)
I just upgraded to SuSe 9.2 for Groupwise functionality (there is even a Groupware setup app with a button for Groupwise). Well, it doesn't seem to work. Very disappointing.
Well, it does work (I tested it myself). However, you need a very recent version of groupwise to get it working with either Kontact or Evolution. Please don't blame software when it's not at fault!
it seems i have to click 'reload' to get the page to render properly, running Firefox 1.0-3. anyone else have this problem? the comments are written on top of the left navbar.
"- Usage of GCC 3.4 symbol visibility functionality for much improved application startup time."
That's the only thing that's irks me with KDE: Apps just don't seem to start as fast as in Windows. I hope this brings things up to speed.
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
KDE had better be implementing OpenTalk instead of Rendezvous(tm).
Can someone check this guys posting history, and nuke his karma please? He's obviously on some kind of bet to get every /. discussion to include the phrase "bearded terminal hacker". It's annoying me...
Online polls are the joke of the
century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless.
A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so
much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised.
This is so obvious, I have in fact never thought about it this way. "He guys, on www.xyz.org, I've put up a poll. Do (a) love xyz, (b) hate xyz. Please stop by and vote!". Guess what happens to the results..
While I am a KDE user (loving it since version 1.0) I do think a couple of the objections raised have merit, and others can be easily countered:
What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by
./configure;make;make install, it is true that KDE is behind in this respect. On the other hand, when using gentoo it is often a matter of a simple emerge -u xyz.
Ximian [ximian.com] [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating
of applications trivial.
KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools,
which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
I think this is true. Although most of us are not hindered by untarring, typing
[Konqueror]
It is quite unreliable and even simple standards compliant
pages can crash it quite comprehensively
Maybe, but it hasn't crashed on me for a very long time. As both a windows and kde user, I must say explorer crashes more often than konqueror.
Perhaps the most cretinous of all problems is blaming the extremely slow startup
times of KDE apps on GCC. One need only look at the recent fuss
over ugly KDE hacks (such as prelinking) used to bandage up the design and coding
flaws in the decrepit KDE architecture to see the truth.
Choosing C++ as the main language for KDE is indeed a decision with lots of impact. At the time of the birth of kde, which must be 7 or 8 years ago(?) only two viable choices were available: C or C++. The choice for C++ has probably speed up the time to implement things, but turned out to be slow at execution. The whole linking mess was discovered long after KDE started out - the KDE architects cannot be blamed for it. As an aside, I think if KDE were redone in java (now also a viable alternative), it would reach the same functionality as todays KDE in very shorter timeframe, while being faster and having fewer bugs.
Still, I think the parent deserves a (+1) underrated.
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> It almost seems like trolls spend more time on their posts than regular users
Regular users posts their comment only once and don't repeat posting them with only minor adjustments over the years.
I agree. I too love it, but ... If not this version, perhaps the next, the KDE team really needs to focus on running the whole thing through a profiler and speed up the bottlenecks.
.mpg and other multimedia file viewing directly from Konqueror would also be a plus. The thing hangs on more and more webpage content these days. I hope this is remedied in the new version.
More internal support for
Does the new version support viewing graphic files as thumbnails in the new version?
Presently, one must run a photo or image viewer program to get a view of image files. When you have directories full of images, it is really helpful to be able to see a thumbnail view rather than having to open each file individually. Having the option to select "thumbnail" view directly in the KDE (ie in View - Details the ability to check "thumbnail" support/options that would permit all the images in an entire directory to be viewed as thumbnails. Of course, this would need to include support for the variety of image files available, as in Gimp.
I believe KDE 3.3 does that already. And it has done it for quite a while I think...
You just need to hunt for the option. It's in the control panel somewhere. Of course, that's like saying there's a very valuable rock in Wyoming, go find it.
In the Icon View just "View/Preview/Enable Previews"
stfu scizzme
Maybe there should be another modifier, say something like "Verbatim" that can be attached to a post. This way useful copy/pasted text will get modded up so everyone can see it, but the poster won't get karma points.
Anyone admins reading?
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As an aside, I think if KDE were redone in java (now also a viable alternative), it would reach the same functionality as todays KDE in very shorter timeframe, while being faster and having fewer bugs.
Yes, excellent idea. Java is faster than assembler and quicker to code in than visual basic. You could start by replacing KHTML with the wonderful Hot Java and then replace all the buttons with the high performance Swing library.
Great, I guess I just didn't give it enough time
to search through large directories to see the results appear.
Is there any way to control the size of the previews? They are so small on my system that I can hardly see them.
"View/Icon Size/" or corresponding toolbar buttons
However, that feature is in the "planned features" section, not the "completed features" section, and it's getting kinda late. Note that some of the features in the red section have been there for several releases; they just get moved to the next release's feature plan...
Late? Listed features can be committed until February 2nd, 2005 - that's two months from today!
I use ion2 for my window manager and use Konqueror with Zero problems. Misinforming people stucks.
although the screenshots show that the UI is getting better, the UI of KDE and GNOME is still severely not user-friendly.
my message to KDE and GNOME developers:
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years.
i know linux inside and out. i am extremely comfortable with the OS, have been using it for years... but i don't use it on any of my computers at home. why? because using KDE or GNOME or any other WM for linux makes me want to dig out my eyeballs with a spork. so i use mac os x... i've tried yellowdog many times, but it just doesnt work. KDE and GNOME are ugly, hard to use, and don't come close to the user-friendliness of windows or mac os x. i usually am a linux apologist (especially to those who knock it) but there's no use BSing a crowd of linux users. the UI sucks. and i'm sure a bunch of 13 year olds who just installed red hat 7 on their parents old PII-350 are going to rebut saying i don't know what i'm talking about... but from a CS student's perspective, the UI needs a LOT of help.
View -> Icon Size
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years
Define user friendly.
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
Perhaps the most cretinous of all problems is blaming the extremely slow startup
times of KDE apps on GCC. One need only look at the recent fuss
over ugly KDE hacks (such as prelinking) used to bandage up the design and coding
flaws in the decrepit KDE architecture to see the truth
When was the last time you used kde? You may be surprised at the speed improvements kde has made recently. I used KDE up to version 3.0 where I finally found it to be so bloated and slow that I actually returned to windoze. Of course.. it wasn't just KDE that was bloated and slow, it was also Red Hat 8.0. Windows actually ran much faster. I wasn't as far ahead of the power user curve as I am now and I wanted an easy to use environment.
I returned to my linux journey this January where I installed Slackware with XFCE. XFCE is great. I love the CDE style since I spent a vast majority of my time during my college years coding in Solaris. The problem was that I found myself using more and more KDE programs. Gnome/Gtk programs may have been more flashy, but definitely tend to be behind the curve in both features and usability. In addition, I really hated the lack of key bindings and the rigidity of the interface.
When KDE 3.2 came out I heard that it was significantly faster and less resource demanding. I made the switch just a couple of months ago and I was VERY impressed. I use gentoo now and optimized the build and I now get a very fast start up for both KDE and all KDE apps. I do hate the standard windoze style interface, but have since customized it to a CDE style. This was not so straightforward, but few DE/WMs could manage so much at all. Plus I get hot-keys and tab functions galore and don't have to use the mouse much at all..
Don't mistake static builds with pre-linking, they are similar but different. I've never liked the shared library concept. This was not even worth the saved space way back when windoze started doing it. It's what led to DLL hell.. and now leads to package/library hell. I saw BRAVO for more static linking. As far as pre-link.. I use cron to prelink my system once a week. The few GTK programs I use seem to benefit from it as well. Does that mean they're decreipt?
Just an FYI, by default Konqueror doesn't show previews of files larger than 1 meg (not sure of the reason why, memory or speed limitations maybe)
You can change this behavior too, under Settings-> Configure Konqueror-> Previews and Meta Data, change the "Maximum filesize" to your liking.
-ZOD-
Why is this a troll, exactly? I mean, sure, it's iritating to hear that some think KDE is not as good as GNOME, but so what? At least they're not running windows.
Changa hates change.
excuse me... but static linking applications would tripple it's size, if not more. just imagine konqy and the 44 libs it uses (on my system that is) compiled static together.. it would become VERY large. then add kicker, kdestop, kopete, amarok, kontact and all the programs it uses... it would cost you gigs of discspace for a decent kde install.
As far as I know Apple has never contributed a single line of code to Linux; I would say that it's good to see Apple improvements making their way into FreeBSD and KDE. :)
I, too, hope they've worked out that bug as well as a number of other bugs. In fact, I would love to know where to ask questions about KDE bugs and non-bugs, especially the latter. When I run into a KDE problem, it seems like a bug to me, but it might just simply be poor configuration. But I don't know where to turn. It's not in the KDE FAQ, and when I write to the authors of the various pieces of software, they ask me to check the KDE bugs email list archives --if they reply at all. This is quite understandable, since I'm sure they're busy enough tooling away at the KDE components in their spare time, but --what if it's not a bug? Isn't there some (non-bug) forum or mailing list where KDE-knowledgeable people come together? I've tried linuxquestions.org, but responses are few and scattered.
... How do I set it so that KsCD doesn't pop up and try to play my music CD every time I insert one? Why does it now take 5 seconds for any KDE program to launch, instead of instantly like before? Why does my system freeze for 10 seconds every time I try to print, before the KDEprintjob whatchamacallit window finds my printer? When I use cut&paste, why does Klipper paste the previous thing I cut rather than the most recent thing? Why do my settings, for choosing which program opens which type of file, keep getting overwritten?
For example
All these things are driving me nuts and are making this GUI almost unusable (to the point where I am serious considering venturing into GNOME territory). I'm sure that someone out there has the answers, and that I can't be the only one who has these questions, but where do I turn? Help, Slashdot!
(I will certainly appreciate answers to my questions above, but my main question is: where can I find KDE-knowledgeable people? I can't post to Slashdot every time some trivial question about KDE configuration comes up.)
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
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Plastik sucks. It sucks because of the button rollover effect. It doesnt look nice with different coloured buttons. Fix this and it will not sucks.
I agree that both KHTML and Gecko should continue to be developed. However, your entire post overlooked the fact that it might be nice to have both around.
When Gmail first came out, it flat out wouldn't work with KHTML. In such a situation, it would be nice to be able to switch Konqueror to use a Gecko part temporarily. The only other solution is to have Mozilla or Firefox installed separately, and no matter how much you theme them, they still won't fit into a KDE desktop as well as Konqueror will. Bonus points if I can have only the Gecko part installed without needing to install the the associated full-fledged applications (which would also benefit Gnome people who want to use Epiphany without having Mozilla around; this decoupling was supposed to happen, but I guess that project stalled).
So what's the problem with having both a Gecko and a KHTML part around and using one or the other as the situation demands. That way I can actually get things done while I'm waiting for a bug in one or the other to be fixed.
I've come for the woman, and your head.
I don't know, how about...
THE ABILITY TO FRICKIN EDIT THE FRICKIN START MENU!!!
You know, like Windows 95 had all those years ago. I still have OpenOffice.org 1.0.0, OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 and OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 in my Start ("K") menu, and no obvious way of deleting them. Sure I can "Hide" them but that's like using paint to obscure a 3cm diameter rust hole.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Most Windows users wouldn't know what a bug report was or how to do it if it hit them on the head - they simply don't give a shit. Your more advanced firefox/mozilla users on the window platform might report a bug, might not. Depends on their mood. Since the average Linux and BSD users are generally far more technically advanced than the average windows users, the chances are greater that Linux/BSD users of konqueror will report bugs back to kde. I think that evens out the user base advantage of firefox. Dave
Slashdot can go and get fucked.
Unfortunatly.
I guess you were thinking of the old KMozilla plugin, but it went unmaintained as very few who used Konqueror had any reason to use it. Some of us are expecting history to repeat itself.
You cannot statically link KDE anymore. The whole architecture depends on loadable plugins.
Through a few hacks you probably statically link just libqt, libkdecore, libkdeui and libkio, except for Konqueror, I don't think the blow-up will be that bad. Remember that static links are optimized to only included the parts actually used.
ex-Gnome Fan here.
.. if you have that - you know what I am talking about :)
.. I love KDE !!)
Firstly WELL DONE for the KDE team !!
These guys are pro and seriously want to give the best window manager experience all-round.
Again well done!
KDE is just too superb now.
* You can customize for a window button - to stay always on top.
* You can embellish and eye-candy your environment as much as you want (or trim it down too) (or optimize even)
* Movies now show a preview when in thumbnail mode. Yeah I know it took them sometime but before I had to fire Nautilus just for a quick preview of what saved naughty movie to watch.
* The very best feature I find is this: right click on a file and expand the menu - navigating through the folder - until you are offered a "Copy Here / Move to Here"
I would hug a member of the KDE team right now
(provided the member was a randy german lady with big boobies and 6 feet tall
.. I love german girls they are so randy
Says I editing this from BlackBox oops.
sh == bash in other words....
I don't claim I know more than I know, and if you know you know more than I know, then by all means, let me know.
What makes you think a smart user on a Linux system is more likely to report a problem then a smart user on a Windows system?
No, you're definately out there with your position. The Mozilla base has a much larger number of users, you cannot really argue the fact. There is a smaller number of people using Konquerer, I have nothing against the browser really, but that is the simple truth. Where there are more users, there are more people reporting their issues.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.