Re:Not necessarily unenforceable (with commentary)
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>>It's not completely unenforceable. You just need to look at yer HTTP_REFERER log to see who is linking to you. Then you just bring up their site, print it out, and take it to the judge.
And then the Judge says "show me where they agreed not to link to you" and throws the guy out of the court room.
I'll agree in general about that. Like, remember the summer's media kidnapping phase? The story that sparked it was the hunt for Elizabeth Smart. (I had Danielle in there from the Danielle van Dam triam...) That was close to the top of CNN's page for a couple weeks, but I have no clue how it turned out, or if it's even continuing. Last I heard they got the fix-it guy for questioning.
Listen to the parent... he know's what he's talking about.
(Well, reading a newspaper (indeed, following the news at all any more) is about as good of an experience as having open-heart surgery without anesthetic while being forced to read all -1 posts here on/. as well as the associated linked pages IMHO)
For what it's worth, CNN.com's next-to-top story is about Michael Guillen's statements that it may be a hoax and that his team cannot get access to the baby to test. So it's not just sitting there.
>>Also, we'll probably see a rash of lawsuits or lobbying by the textbook industry to help them maintain the monopoly they have. After all, we wouldn't want continually improving and affordable materials to fall into the hands of our students. Oh! The horror!
Really. It's my first year, second semester (well, that's misleading; officially it's my fourth, so I'm taking higher level stuff than your typical second semester person) at Penn State and I'll be paying ~$450 for ALL USED books. Outrageous, especially considering that tuition+room&board+fees for me is little over $1000/semester.
What topics are you looking for? I'm not saying that I'll write anything; I don't think I'd have the skill. (I'm a freshmen (though officially entering my 4th semester; thanks AP credits!) going for simultaneous BS and MS/ME in comp sci at Penn State's honors program.) That said, I have toyed with the idea of doing an intro to C++ web site (because 70 gabollion isn't quite a big enough number) in a pseudo-book form. No sane person would actually want to use this as even a base for something to publish (not only because the quality of the work but because several section headings are stolen from C++ for Dummies), but I'm willing to put it up in the internet if you'd like to see it. That is, IF I can find it; I just did a search of the hard drive in my main computer with no hits.
Or, just rebuild it as it was built in the 1890s or whatever the decade was. (I beieve the centennial was 1996, so I think that's right.) The awesome thing is that it's copper. Copper tarnishes, which is why it has that green look. If it were rebuilt, it would return to it's original, copper shinyness.
My point is that, while it would speed up checking by a factor of two, that would still not help a while as the computations are already prohibitively large.
(BTW: I'm also not saying that it'll be brute forced... that would be insane and literally impossible, even if computers were a trillion-trillion-trillion-trillion-trillion- (well, you get the idea; put another 40 or so "trillions" in there) times faster than those today.)
IANAL, but I believe the DMCA would be the *only* recourse MS would have, provided they don't ship a license or something with the actual X-Box (which I doubt even MS would do). And I doubt that general use of the key to run, e.g. Linux, would be held in violation. Or at least I like to thing that it wouldn't.
The best prescedent we have on that is the DeCSS case, at least that I know of. The other way would be "more illegal" though, because you'd be breaking conventional copyright redistribution laws in addition to the DMCA provisions.
The main overhead appears to me to be that on averge you'd test 1.6x10^616 keys (2^2047) before finding a hit, assuming there is only one key. Even at a trillion keys/second that would take some 586 times the age of the universe to complete.
I loved that show. Watched it all the time in 4 and 5th grade. I got quite a collection... in fact, I brought several episodes into my 5th grade class to watch when they matched the current unit.
This is true, but reaks of the "guns don't kill people" argument. What I mean is that, while it's certainly possible to use a bike considerately, and indeed most people do, it takes a bigger concious effort than just walking down the street, since you are much bigger and are moving much faster. Thus, it's much easier to be careless and inconsiderate, just as having a gun makes it infinitely easier to wound or kill someone. And believe me, as someone who both goes to Penn State and has lived in the town for over a decade, there are *plenty* of people who are both dangerous and inconsiderate.
>>I don't know about your state, but here in mine (California) anyone who wants to ride their bicycle on a sidewalk may do so.
That the laws vary from state to state is true. However, I would bet that msot states have laws similar to Pennsylvania's, which require that bikes obey all laws (including driving on the road, stopping for red lights and stop signs, and theoretically signalling (with hand signals) your turns and stops) that motor vehicles follow.
>>Why would you say they are faster than a Segway? You can ride your bicycle at any speed you please. You can pedal slowly or even walk your bicycle if you choose to do so, or you can pedal quickly if you need to get somewhere.
Also true. However, I would also bet that most people ride faster than Segways go. I'm not sure how fast that is.
Bikes are a lot more dangerous and inconsiderate. They're bigger, and I presume would generally be faster, though I'm not sure of Segway's speed. This is why it's illegal to ride bikes on sidewalks, while some states have given explicit permission for segways to be used on them.
a) whipping up quick, 10-minute, run-this-once-and-never-have-to-it-again programs, b) ui prototyping, which should be the only thing its used for by professionals, and c) getting an intro to event-driven programming. After a couple years of dabbling in VB, i found the transition to writing Windows programs in C (with the API) and C++ (with MFC)--traditionally said to be a very difficult thing to learn--practically effortless.
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>>It's not completely unenforceable. You just need to look at yer HTTP_REFERER log to see who is linking to you. Then you just bring up their site, print it out, and take it to the judge.
And then the Judge says "show me where they agreed not to link to you" and throws the guy out of the court room.
No. By linking to a site, you're not bugging the owner of the site (short of using a little bandwidth).
I'll agree in general about that. Like, remember the summer's media kidnapping phase? The story that sparked it was the hunt for Elizabeth Smart. (I had Danielle in there from the Danielle van Dam triam...) That was close to the top of CNN's page for a couple weeks, but I have no clue how it turned out, or if it's even continuing. Last I heard they got the fix-it guy for questioning.
Listen to the parent... he know's what he's talking about.
/. as well as the associated linked pages IMHO)
(Well, reading a newspaper (indeed, following the news at all any more) is about as good of an experience as having open-heart surgery without anesthetic while being forced to read all -1 posts here on
For what it's worth, CNN.com's next-to-top story is about Michael Guillen's statements that it may be a hoax and that his team cannot get access to the baby to test. So it's not just sitting there.
Which is why the poster made a special effort to point out the the owner of the domain is a US citizen.
How is this redundant? The other answer just said "no".
*Very* nice. Thanks a bundle for that link.
>>Also, we'll probably see a rash of lawsuits or lobbying by the textbook industry to help them maintain the monopoly they have. After all, we wouldn't want continually improving and affordable materials to fall into the hands of our students. Oh! The horror!
Really. It's my first year, second semester (well, that's misleading; officially it's my fourth, so I'm taking higher level stuff than your typical second semester person) at Penn State and I'll be paying ~$450 for ALL USED books. Outrageous, especially considering that tuition+room&board+fees for me is little over $1000/semester.
What topics are you looking for? I'm not saying that I'll write anything; I don't think I'd have the skill. (I'm a freshmen (though officially entering my 4th semester; thanks AP credits!) going for simultaneous BS and MS/ME in comp sci at Penn State's honors program.) That said, I have toyed with the idea of doing an intro to C++ web site (because 70 gabollion isn't quite a big enough number) in a pseudo-book form. No sane person would actually want to use this as even a base for something to publish (not only because the quality of the work but because several section headings are stolen from C++ for Dummies), but I'm willing to put it up in the internet if you'd like to see it. That is, IF I can find it; I just did a search of the hard drive in my main computer with no hits.
Or, just rebuild it as it was built in the 1890s or whatever the decade was. (I beieve the centennial was 1996, so I think that's right.) The awesome thing is that it's copper. Copper tarnishes, which is why it has that green look. If it were rebuilt, it would return to it's original, copper shinyness.
My point is that, while it would speed up checking by a factor of two, that would still not help a while as the computations are already prohibitively large.
(BTW: I'm also not saying that it'll be brute forced... that would be insane and literally impossible, even if computers were a trillion-trillion-trillion-trillion-trillion- (well, you get the idea; put another 40 or so "trillions" in there) times faster than those today.)
Yes, but can you have a conversation with Google?
IANAL, but I believe the DMCA would be the *only* recourse MS would have, provided they don't ship a license or something with the actual X-Box (which I doubt even MS would do). And I doubt that general use of the key to run, e.g. Linux, would be held in violation. Or at least I like to thing that it wouldn't.
The best prescedent we have on that is the DeCSS case, at least that I know of. The other way would be "more illegal" though, because you'd be breaking conventional copyright redistribution laws in addition to the DMCA provisions.
From comments other /.ers have made, the XBox uses the RSA algorithm. (The site's down so I can't verify.) I'm not quite sure how you'd mess that up...
Unless they found a way to mess it up, cracking the key is going to be, for all intents and purposes, impossible.
The main overhead appears to me to be that on averge you'd test 1.6x10^616 keys (2^2047) before finding a hit, assuming there is only one key. Even at a trillion keys/second that would take some 586 times the age of the universe to complete.
Damn it, I keep getting logged out and then forget to sign back in. That was me...
I loved that show. Watched it all the time in 4 and 5th grade. I got quite a collection... in fact, I brought several episodes into my 5th grade class to watch when they matched the current unit.
>>Bikes are not inconsiderate or dangerous.
This is true, but reaks of the "guns don't kill people" argument. What I mean is that, while it's certainly possible to use a bike considerately, and indeed most people do, it takes a bigger concious effort than just walking down the street, since you are much bigger and are moving much faster. Thus, it's much easier to be careless and inconsiderate, just as having a gun makes it infinitely easier to wound or kill someone. And believe me, as someone who both goes to Penn State and has lived in the town for over a decade, there are *plenty* of people who are both dangerous and inconsiderate.
>>I don't know about your state, but here in mine (California) anyone who wants to ride their bicycle on a sidewalk may do so.
That the laws vary from state to state is true. However, I would bet that msot states have laws similar to Pennsylvania's, which require that bikes obey all laws (including driving on the road, stopping for red lights and stop signs, and theoretically signalling (with hand signals) your turns and stops) that motor vehicles follow.
>>Why would you say they are faster than a Segway? You can ride your bicycle at any speed you please. You can pedal slowly or even walk your bicycle if you choose to do so, or you can pedal quickly if you need to get somewhere.
Also true. However, I would also bet that most people ride faster than Segways go. I'm not sure how fast that is.
Bikes are a lot more dangerous and inconsiderate. They're bigger, and I presume would generally be faster, though I'm not sure of Segway's speed. This is why it's illegal to ride bikes on sidewalks, while some states have given explicit permission for segways to be used on them.
I see VB useful for three things:
a) whipping up quick, 10-minute, run-this-once-and-never-have-to-it-again programs,
b) ui prototyping, which should be the only thing its used for by professionals, and
c) getting an intro to event-driven programming. After a couple years of dabbling in VB, i found the transition to writing Windows programs in C (with the API) and C++ (with MFC)--traditionally said to be a very difficult thing to learn--practically effortless.
Not very good at spotting sarcasm, are you?
Hell... i'll do that. Just give me the code and a program with a search and replace feature and I'll have it alll fixed up.