My 2c as a Thinkpad owner (T43:IBM & now a T60:Lenovo) Hardware: T60 sucks. Latch is loose when it came, "extended" battery doesn't fit snugly into the slot. Its not defective.. its just like how the Dell's and others used to be a few years ago. Their quality has gone up and the Lenovo has sunk to new depths. Note its not cheap. Its 2-300 above a similar Dell/Toshiba. Summary: They lost all my future business.
Linux (Fedora,RHEL,Suse,Gentoo),Solaris on intel,FreeBSD: T43 no sweat
Havn't bothered with Lin/Sol/BSD on the T60 as yet. Have thought a couple of times about just returning this.
Can you post
gcc -v , make -version and relevant section of Makefile?
HOSTCC = gcc
HOSTCXX = g++
HOSTCFLAGS = -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
HOSTCXXFLAGS = -O2
-j1 does not mean using one processor. It means using one job. -j5 makes (at max) 5 jobs run , it does not magically increase the number of processors you have.
-j jobs Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. If there is more than one -j option, the last one is effective. If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously.
Regarding the time of 3.5 mins. I rechecked it again. I re-downloaded 2.6.4.tar.gz from kernel.org again,untar etc. make distclean yes ""|make;time make -j3 again the numbers are:
Root device is (8, 1) Boot sector 512 bytes. Setup is 2621 bytes. System is 1706 kB Kernel: arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is ready
real 3m31.077s user 3m10.780s sys 0m20.050s
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps you are using a different 2.6 kernel ?? Why don't you try doing the same process yourself instead of believing what anandtech is telling you??
Before the Sun lovers go chanting ga-ga-ga about how this will save Sun's sorry ass or how it outperforms their "other" systems , I'd like to put forward some numbers running similar tests against whitebox systems.
Config: On my 8GB 246 (single processor, whitebox) opteron I get (make distclean etc between steps) Time / Kernel / Make option 2"12s / 2.4.21 (time make -j5) 3m33.081s / 2.6.4 (time make -j5) 3m31s / 2.6.4 (time make -3)
From anandtech for the 2.6.4 kernel. 2"43 sec V40Z -j5 3"30 sec V40z -j3 4" 34 sec W2100Z -j3
Hmm.. for the 5K I paid for it. I'm happy waiting 50 seconds more.. ( 5K v/s 17K and 3"30' v/s 2"43')
Misc info:..
gcc -v Reading specs from/usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.2.3/specs Configured with:../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --host=x86_64-redhat-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-42)
make --version GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. Built for x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu
Differently seen companies chasing their tails in copyright infringments, trade protocol violations and intellectual property rights are generally the ones which are going to fall pretty soon.
Short on cash and not being able to earn/fund the millions they were used to in the dotgone era they are metamorphosing into scavengers and opportunists....
SCO is a shining example
The crummy economy is bringing out the best in a lot of Companys, their legal team thinks, "we are getting irrelevant (as a team) , lets think up something to make some money and make sure we dont' get laid off," "hmmm... patent # 5551212 seems to be worth looking into" and there starts their Road to Hell [lyricsdepot.com]
Easy money (or so they think),lot of publicity (for sure) and a lot of hits on their website , so there's a new concept for you
You are joking right? The exact thing which you are quoting as a problem is infact one of the biggest advantages of outsourcing. If you outsource to a country approx +/- 10-14 hours you are looking at your query being resolved the next morning you get in. Infact that is what a lot of companies are doing, they have a few ring masters here who conduct the show, and the rest of the circus is back in a different time zone. The ringmaster cracks his whip and the monkeys have the code ready by next morning USA time.
Regarding your boss " how much he values having me right here and being able to walk over and talk about a project" it could be something else dude/ette...
At work we just bought yet another Sun workstation, and when you are sharing a box with ~50 other people, you start to see the different between hardware.
Compare equally.
Get a Sun box, put Solaris and Linux on the same hardware. See the results.
Get a Intel box, put Solaris x86 and Linux and see the results.
Comparing Sparc-Solaris to a x86-Linux doesn't make any sense.
We are currently using Opterons with Suse Enterprise. I can buy 3 of these instead of 1 sun system. And uh humm I can tell the difference in the speed too mwwwwwwwwaahahahahhaha
The place where Sun hardware / Solaris really fits in is in grid enviroments and multinode clusters which is not the usual IT room. Sun is headed in the right direction on that.
A few years ago it was Linux is crap, x86 is crap. Solaris/Sparc is the way to go. Then suddenly x86 became the hot thing around the release of 2.8 again, they dumped x86 when they came out with 9, everybody cried foul ( you did protest that didn't you? ) so they woke up again and decided to ship x86 / 9 and suddenly woke up to the Opteron.
Scott McNealy and his team remind me of a girl before prom night sitting on the edge of a bed with a flower in her hand and plucking one petal at a time "he loves me, he loves me not, he loves me, he loves me not..."
Yes I'm sure you'd be glad if your wife/husband/son/daughter/parent got run over by a car and someone put the streaming video on a porn site labelled road kill.
You'd really be singing a different tune wouldn't you?
Answer:
For environmental reasons, Intel Corp. plans to reduce the amount of lead in its microprocessors and chip sets by 95 percent starting this year.
Real Answer:
A European Union directive requires manufacturers to ban the use of six specified hazardous substances, including lead, after July 2006
My question:
So how much of lead is there actually in a microprocessor/flash?
95% reduction is great, but without an actual number a comparison is pointless.
Before everyone starts pulling their hair apart, running into their garages and tear their car to pieces please read what this blackbox does / can do...
QUOTE
The device is known as an event data recorder (EDR), or simply a "black box," because it serves a similar function to a flight data recorder in an aircraft.
The information the black boxes record includes:
the car's speed;
the engine's speed;
whether the brakes are applied;
the position of the gas pedal.
It also records other information, such as whether the driver was wearing a seatbelt and the force of the collision.
Because the memory of the black box is limited, it only retains this information for a few seconds. After a collision, the black box contains a record of what was happening in the last seconds before the impact.
X-Wall DX Crypto-Gateway
A real-time IDE encryption/decryption gateway, encrypting the entire disk content including boot sector and operating system without performance degradation. X-Wall DX is equipped with NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) certified 100% hardware DES (Data Encryption Standard, http://csrc.nist.gov/cryptval/des/desval.html) and TDES (Triple DES, http://csrc.nist.gov/cryptval/des/tripledesval.htm l) algorithms, capable of delivering 1.1Gbit/sec real-time throughput. It comes with a built-in True Random Number Generator (TRNG) and FLASH memory that allows KEY management system and KEY recovering process within a single chip.
X-Wall SE Briefs:
The X-Wall® SE ASIC ensures privacy and confidentiality of data and credentials stored on PC hard drives without degrading system performance. A cryptographic system-controller ASIC operating at the physical layer, the X-Wall® microchip performs bit-by-bit "real-time" encryption of the entire hard disk (including the boot sector and operating system) at 1.1 Gigabit per second using Federal Government certified DES/TDES algorithms. In contrast to software solutions, no password is ever stored on the hard drive or held in machine memory. X-Wall® 's unique design also completely eliminates any dependency on operating systems or device drivers while functioning automatically and transparently, thereby eliminating user intervention.
The X-Wall® SE chip resides between the IDE host controller and the IDE hard drive. Incorporating both a host and target interface for IDE Ultra DMA drives, X-Wall® SE acts as a host controller to the hard drive and as a hard drive to the controller. X-Wall® intercepts and translates IDE commands and encrypts all data in real-time. All data written to the hard drive, including the boot sector, operating system, temp and swap files, is automatically and transparently encrypted. Attempts to circumvent security by booting from a floppy disk or by removing the hard drive to be read on a different machine would prove futile since the entire content of the hard drive is encrypted
Differently seen companies chasing their tails in copyright infringments,
trade protocol violations and intellectual property rights
are generally the ones which are going to fall pretty soon.
Short on cash and not being able to earn/fund the millions they were used to in the dotgone era they are metamorphosing into scavengers and opportunists....
SCO is a shining example
The crummy economy is bringing out the best in a lot of Companys, their legal team thinks, "we are getting irrelevant (as a team) , lets think up something to make some money and make sure we dont' get laid off," "hmmm... patent # 5551212 seems to be worth looking into"
and there starts their Road to Hell
Easy money (or so they think),lot of publicity (for sure) and a lot of hits on their website ,
so there's a new concept for you
Dear RIAA, Kindly go after the school the kids are in, the district and the State they live in, oh hell even sue a few Congressmen and Senators and the U.S. Government while your at it.. !!
Everyone needs 100 IP's because 1. The article says so 2. Everyone (will) have it and so must you 3. No there is *NO* link between the Verio guy trying to sell you his service and IP6:) 4. Firewall ppl. can sell their IPv4 & IPv6 enabled gazillion dollar firewalls, along with lifelong blood sucking of training, certifying,retraining, and basically beating you senseless with their products 5. All machines can then be hacked and everyone can have a field day turning on/off and rooting other ppls microwaves, washing machines, cell phones et. all 6. NAT is *BAD*;) have you seen how much commercial vendors bend their interpretations of it and how far out PPTP,VPN and IPSEC configuring are.. 7. Calls of this sort will be common..."hello this is sears may I help you"... "er...my microwave is 0wn3d"
Have you *EVER* tried to load a different OS (as in what did not come originally on the system) nto a Sony Notebook?? You will tear your hair and generally feel like throwing out the notebook... ou will find no drivers or support on their site or it, and contacting Sony will give you a response of "It did not come with that OS so we do ot support it"
I am not talking about putting Linux/BSD or Solaris (what I am thinking??)... just a Win2k or something.
Plus their position/membership/stance on DMCA,RIAA et. all makes me want to spend my money elsewhere...
Slashdot Mirror
My 2c as a Thinkpad owner (T43:IBM & now a T60:Lenovo)
Hardware: T60 sucks. Latch is loose when it came, "extended" battery doesn't fit snugly into the slot.
Its not defective.. its just like how the Dell's and others used to be a few years ago.
Their quality has gone up and the Lenovo has sunk to new depths. Note its not cheap. Its 2-300 above a similar Dell/Toshiba. Summary: They lost all my future business.
Linux (Fedora,RHEL,Suse,Gentoo),Solaris on intel,FreeBSD: T43 no sweat
Havn't bothered with Lin/Sol/BSD on the T60 as yet. Have thought a couple of times about just returning this.
2 things are different.
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.2.3/specs
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --host=x86_64-redhat-linux
Your running 32 bit 3.34 gcc
while i'm running a 64 bit, 3.2.3 version.
Hmm very interesting timings.
thx.
gcc -v
Reading specs from
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-42)
Can you post gcc -v , make -version and relevant section of Makefile? HOSTCC = gcc HOSTCXX = g++ HOSTCFLAGS = -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer HOSTCXXFLAGS = -O2
-j1 does not mean using one processor. It means using one job. -j5 makes (at max) 5 jobs run , it does not magically increase the number of processors you have.
;time make -j3
-j jobs
Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. If there is more than one -j option, the last one is effective. If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously.
Regarding the time of 3.5 mins. I rechecked it again. I re-downloaded 2.6.4.tar.gz from kernel.org again,untar etc.
make distclean
yes ""|make
again the numbers are:
Root device is (8, 1)
Boot sector 512 bytes.
Setup is 2621 bytes.
System is 1706 kB
Kernel: arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is ready
real 3m31.077s
user 3m10.780s
sys 0m20.050s
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps you are using a different 2.6 kernel ?? Why don't you try doing the same process yourself instead of believing what anandtech is telling you??
cd to the directory with the kernel src
make clean / make distclean
yes "" | make config
make -jX
exactly as described in the article.
There is no build modules stage in this (or atleast I didn't do that)
Before the Sun lovers go chanting ga-ga-ga about how this will save Sun's sorry ass or how it outperforms their "other" systems , I'd like to put forward some numbers running similar tests against whitebox systems.
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.2.3/specs
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --host=x86_64-redhat-linux
Config: On my 8GB 246 (single processor, whitebox) opteron I get (make distclean etc between steps)
Time / Kernel / Make option
2"12s / 2.4.21 (time make -j5)
3m33.081s / 2.6.4 (time make -j5)
3m31s / 2.6.4 (time make -3)
From anandtech for the 2.6.4 kernel.
2"43 sec V40Z -j5
3"30 sec V40z -j3
4" 34 sec W2100Z -j3
Hmm.. for the 5K I paid for it. I'm happy waiting 50 seconds more.. ( 5K v/s 17K and 3"30' v/s 2"43')
Misc info:..
gcc -v
Reading specs from
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-42)
make --version
GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath.
Built for x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu
The link Slasdot.org
....
,lot of publicity (for sure) and a lot of hits on their website , so there's a new concept for you
or just the quote below...
Differently seen companies chasing their tails in copyright infringments, trade protocol violations and intellectual property rights are generally the ones which are going to fall pretty soon.
Short on cash and not being able to earn/fund the millions they were used to in the dotgone era they are metamorphosing into scavengers and opportunists
SCO is a shining example The crummy economy is bringing out the best in a lot of Companys, their legal team thinks, "we are getting irrelevant (as a team) , lets think up something to make some money and make sure we dont' get laid off," "hmmm... patent # 5551212 seems to be worth looking into" and there starts their Road to Hell [lyricsdepot.com]
Easy money (or so they think)
the legal team is now the marketing team
You are joking right?
The exact thing which you are quoting as a problem is infact one of the biggest advantages of outsourcing.
If you outsource to a country approx +/- 10-14 hours you are looking at your query being resolved the next morning you get in.
Infact that is what a lot of companies are doing, they have a few ring masters here who conduct the show, and the rest of the circus is back in a different time zone. The ringmaster cracks his whip and the monkeys have the code ready by next morning USA time.
Regarding your boss " how much he values having me right here and being able to walk over and talk about a project" it could be something else dude/ette...
If the processor runs for more than 4 hours continuously or if I have a heart condition?
well here goes -- move
The place where Sun hardware / Solaris really fits in is in grid enviroments and multinode clusters which is not the usual IT room. Sun is headed in the right direction on that. A few years ago it was Linux is crap, x86 is crap. Solaris/Sparc is the way to go. Then suddenly x86 became the hot thing around the release of 2.8 again, they dumped x86 when they came out with 9, everybody cried foul ( you did protest that didn't you? ) so they woke up again and decided to ship x86 / 9 and suddenly woke up to the Opteron.
Scott McNealy and his team remind me of a girl before prom night sitting on the edge of a bed with a flower in her hand and plucking one petal at a time "he loves me, he loves me not, he loves me, he loves me not
Yes I'm sure you'd be glad if your wife/husband/son/daughter/parent got run over by a car and someone put the streaming video on a porn site labelled road kill.
You'd really be singing a different tune wouldn't you?
Question:
Intel to Reduce Chips' Lead Content ?
Answer:
For environmental reasons, Intel Corp. plans to reduce the amount of lead in its microprocessors and chip sets by 95 percent starting this year.
Real Answer:
A European Union directive requires manufacturers to ban the use of six specified hazardous substances, including lead, after July 2006
My question:
So how much of lead is there actually in a microprocessor/flash? 95% reduction is great, but without an actual number a comparison is pointless.
Install the apt-get rpm and apt-get dist-upgrade this will work for any RH > 6.2
The Abundance of crap articles on
The link
typo
... _ _ _ ...
was to be
_ _ _ . . . _ _ _
Save our souls from these sorry stories...
sounds like MSN "10 things you MUST have"..
"Could the next must-have computer input device be a morse key ?"
zip & use pgp even better use bzip2 and pgp
secure and compressed
Dear RIAA,
Kindly go after the school the kids are in, the district and the State they live in, oh hell even sue a few Congressmen and Senators and the U.S. Government while your at it.. !!
Kind Regards
A Clueless bum
Unlike the folks at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Slashdot/Jesse Jordan the guys at MIT & Boston City still have some sense then bending over backwards...hmmm..but then they are swapping music aren't they?
No point in screaming bloody murder but you don't have to play dumb either....
Everyone needs 100 IP's because :) ;) have you seen how much commercial vendors bend their interpretations of it and how far out PPTP,VPN and IPSEC configuring are..
1. The article says so
2. Everyone (will) have it and so must you
3. No there is *NO* link between the Verio guy trying to sell you his service and IP6
4. Firewall ppl. can sell their IPv4 & IPv6 enabled gazillion dollar firewalls, along with lifelong blood sucking of training, certifying,retraining, and basically beating you senseless with their products
5. All machines can then be hacked and everyone can have a field day turning on/off and rooting other ppls microwaves, washing machines, cell phones et. all
6. NAT is *BAD*
7. Calls of this sort will be common..."hello this is sears may I help you"... "er...my microwave is 0wn3d"
Have you *EVER* tried to load a different OS (as in what did not come originally on the system) nto a Sony Notebook?? You will tear your hair and generally feel like throwing out the notebook... ou will find no drivers or support on their site or it, and contacting Sony will give you a response of "It did not come with that OS so we do ot support it"
... just a Win2k or something.
I am not talking about putting Linux/BSD or Solaris (what I am thinking??)
Plus their position/membership/stance on DMCA,RIAA et. all makes me want to spend my money elsewhere...