One thing is for certain: someone needs to stop this. These threats and implications are going to have an impact on Linux vendors' bottom line. RH sales *will* be hurt by this as will SuSE's.
This is dirty business at its lowest. In the end, I hope SCO goes out of business in a bad way.
I heard once that it's legal to shoot someone in Texas if they are on your property after dark... if this is true, maybe we could get McBride and some of his lawyer pals to your place one night?
I'm a *huge* Linux and FOSS fan. I work in an environment that uses Macs, Windows and some Linux. The Mac people I work with give real meaning to the term "zealot". They earn the title daily. If Steve Jobs asked them to drink poison koolaid, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Something that I recently put a stop too (as I now control the budget) is the buying of Macs to run Windows based apps. For example, someone needs a laptop for travel that requires an app that only runs on Windows. Used to be that the Mac zealots would buy an ibook for $1,400 then buy a copy of Win2000 Pro for $200 and then buy a copy of Virtual PC for $300 in order for the app to work. Now, I buy a 1,000 Dell PC and that's it. It's a lot cheaper and the app works much better. None of this emulation black magic. This has really pissed the Mac people off as they hate *anything* from MS (except MS Ofiice... which they are fond of pirating).
With all that said, I'd have to make the same decision with Linux. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and FOSS, but I believe in the right tool for the job. If someone is buying a platform and emulating another platform off of it, someone has put ideology ahead of business sense and logic. Especially when it cost *more* money, which in this case, it did.
The problem with BSD is that there are too many Albert Einstein-like people involved with its development... and Matt Dillion is one of them. I don't mean that in a bad way. These guy are *smart* probably one in a billion kind of smart. The problem with that is they can't work together very well. Theo (Open BSD), Matt (FreeBSD) Both these guys forked over differences of opinion with other developers.
Imagine what these guys could actually *do* if they put aside their differences and worked together!! No unsolved CS problem would be safe.
Well said. Mozilla is to IE what Linux is to Windows. They are equally important. The world *needs* open source and free software. It's innovative, fun and useful to a broad range of people. Without it, the Tech industry really would be dead!
Why is open source so popular? IMO, it's because users are empowered by it. They don't have to buy a c compiler (thanks RMS), they don't have to use a closed OS kernel that they have no control over (thanks Linus). Now, they can make their machines useful w/o having to buy extra items or ask permission from the vendor to alter the product.
Open source and free software are all about freedom, the freedom of the user. And to me, the world would be much less enjoyable without it.
I think this is a new reality. Fortunately, I saw it coming before it was too late. I sold the house (that I really couldn't afford) and bought a small Townhouse instead. Paid it off quickly and began renting it out. Bought another small townhouse and did the same thing. Today, I have 3 rental properites that I own outright and I live in a Duplex that will soon be paid for. The next dwelling I buy will be a nice house like I *used* to have because now, I can really afford it.
I still have the IT career as I'm a decent programmer and sys admin, but many of my friends do not. The difference between me and my firends is that I realized how quickly I could be out of work, they did not. I remeber talking to them about it and how they thought I was a nut. They think I'm a visionary now, but I'm just a realistic person who has a good grasp of reality and not a false preception of it.
We'll have to make do on less from now on, but we can make it if we get our minds in line with reality and act accordingly. Get rid of the big house, the expensive car, etc and start making what money you have *work* for you. It worked for me. There's nothing like the thought of sleeping at night while someone writes a check out to me for rent;)
Apple is good at shooting itself in the foot like this. Take the apple music store... doesn't work with Windows. When the ipod first came out... it didn't work with Windows, etc, etc,
Apple could make *tons* of money if they weren't so selfish. That's been there problem since day one. Look where it's gotten them.
W2K came out in 1999. There have been 4 major SvcPacks released for it that contain bug fixes and added features (all at no charge).
Apple release OS X in 2001. First it was 10.0, then it was 10.1, then 10.2, and now 10.3 Each point release costed around $150. And, OS X just *really* reached a stable, useable condition around late 10.1 or early 10.2
So, MS wins this category too. Now, let's compare market share...
Steve Jobs shoots Apple in the foot once again. MBA classes all across America probably use Apple's poor business decisions as examples of how to offend customers and how *not* to grow business... the *one* thing Apple excels at;)
OS X Classic mode sucks big time. Sorry to burst your bubble, but emulation ain't the real thing. It causes more problems than it fixes. It's been a nightmare trying to make apps work in classic mode, and when I say work, I mean 80 to 85% functionality(fonts, printing, scanning, etc.)
Besides, rumor has it that Apple is going to dump classic mode one day soon. And I thought MS was bad... that was before I used a Mac.
What if this is a big plan on the part of Big Blue? What if they are paying SCO to bring this legal challenge so that questions about IP in Linux can be addressed in court? IBM gets a free and clear Linux to push against MS Windows, Sun Solaris, Apple OS X, etc. And SCO gets money or is bought out... everyone gets what they want.
Or, maybe this is an attempt by IBM to take over Linux; be the only 'authorized' Linux distributer. Anyone else see the possibilities here????
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Maybe we should see them as the good guys instead of the bad guys. Maybe it's all a big IBM plan the purpose of which is to clear all IP in Linux? SCO is the fall guy. IBM will be buying them, directly or indirectly. Either way, everyone gets what they want. IBM clears Linux IP once and for all. SCO gets money. The GPL gets its day in court.
We are truely blessed to live in the house of our dreams, on 5 acres out in the country, but we got it on two incomes and we won't be able to keep it on one.
Why don't you try to live within or below your means? It works for me.
Income by your own labor is OK, but it can be very risky as you've discovered. In short, it's an illusion that can be taken from you at the drop of a hat. Boss doesn't like you, economy gets bad, you screw something up and BAM, you're history. The 60,000 dollars a year is gone so is daycare, so is eating out, so is a lot of things. It was all an illusion.
Live in an modest town house or condo. They cost a 1/3 of a house and can be rented easily. Buy 2 or 3 of them, live in them for awhile, pay them off, rent them out for 700 to 800 dollars a month and THEN buy the big house of your dreams! So, when your boss fires your sorry ass, you have 3 rental units brining in $2400/month (around 30,000 per year). If you lose your job, times will still be tight, but you won't have to give up your dream house because the rental money can take care of that.
Unless you earn money in some way other than physical/mental labor, you're screwed. I like going to bed at night knowing that people are paying ME. You'll never make money as long as you are paying OTHERS and your only source of income is work.
Computer prices are so low because there is no other differentiation besides price. What is the difference between HP, Dell, and Gateway?
Service and support, that's the difference. Dell thrives in this area. Besides the fact that I can purchase a Dell laptop that is twice as fast and twice as inexpensive as an Apple I can get one with support that covers drops and spills... Apple does not provide that. In the real world (the world that is 98% PC), Apple can't compete and never has.
Now, should Apple ever compete with PCs in performance, price and support, then a lot of people would buy them. But until then, it just doesn't make sense.
Why does openbsd exist again? Oh yeah, because Theo couldn't get his sparc patches accepted by the port maintainer. It's really odd that Theo has those emails up on his web site; they're not particularly flattering.
Here's why people attempt to knock Theo down: They desperately wish that they were like him.
Theo speaks his mind. He's true to himself. He doesn't say what others want to hear; he says what should be said. In short, he's honest and he doesn't play politics and that tends to offend people. So be it.
We only live life once. Anyone can be a yes man. People who have soul, who are naturally royal stand out and rise above all the bullshit in the world. Cloth them in rags and they still command respect, they still remain the subject of envy. Theo is one of these people. I am another one. You wish you were too. Get over it.
Buy the poor woman a Mac. You know it makes sense.
Are you joking? I started using Macs two months ago. Before that time it was 100% Windows PCs. I found the transition from the PC to the Mac difficult, and still prefer the PC
The post above you complained about the steps required to eject a CD under Linux. Well, Mac's claim to be intuitive, but what the hell is intuitive about dragging the CD icon to the trash when you want to eject it? What does throw away have to do with eject? In Windows, I right click and select (gasp) EJECT. That's a hell of a lot more understandable than dragging it to the trash.
There are millions of Windows machines in the wild that can be exploited at the drop of a hat; same true for *NIX.
Truer words have never been spoken. I know a 'webmaster' who has been placed in charge of a RH Linux web server. He loaded RH 7.3 on it when it first came out and has yet to patch it. Sendmail has had several major exploits since that time. Before this box, he had a RH 6.2 box that was hacked so badly that the FBI showed up to do some forensics on the box as it took part in an attack against some high-profile government web sites. He thought the FBI visit was fun... so did his boss. The company's network technicians even shut down his server's ethernet portal once when the machine was involved in a massive DDoS attack. He simply unplugged the ethernet cable and pluuged it into another portal because he didn't want to miss any hits. After that, the network guys shut the router down entirely and threatened to keep it down forever until this guy patched his server. But, this artsy web master is too busy playing with pictures to post on the website and the server remains unpatched.
So, before slamming Window, or any OS for that matter, blame these *stupid* admins.
No technology stock is "what is used to be" And if you find this unusually, my question to you is: What planet have you been on for the last 3 years?
IBM's stock "ain't what it used to be" neither is Dell's or HP's. The whole IT industry sucks right now. Pay scales are 1/3 what they were in 1999. MS is as much as a victim of this as anyone else. At least they're still in business.
Yes, this is probably true. The PPC 970 is awesome. It's RISC, it's 64-bit and 32-bit backward compatible so all of your old apps will work, but there's one little problem... cost.
Apple isn't known for being inexpensive, and these chips will not be cheap! Intel has cost down pat. Sure, Intel may not be quite as fast as this chip at first, but they'll still be cheaper, much cheaper and w/i a year of the 970's release, Intel will equal or exceed its performance for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.
How many of you can afford a 5,000 to 6,000 dollar apple/ibm ppc 970???
Why not buy a 3,000 dollar Intel Xeon and run Linux on it?
Works for me. Debian has a very active PPC port. I run it on an 700Mhz ibook with the same performance as RH i386 gets on a Dell Inspiron 900Mhz laptop.
I don't want to pay Apple's prices, but I'd like to run a PPC.
I just bought an 700Mhz ibook with a 30GB hdd and an airport card for $ 1,078.00. The Apple Care plan costed me an extra $187.00. An entry level Dell laptop (that had a 799.00 base price) would have costed me roughly $100.00 more than the ibook after getting service and support comparable to Apple Care. The only difference between the two laptops was proc speed... the Dell was a 1.4Ghz.
I love my ibook. It runs Debian PPC GNU/Linux, MacOS 9 and MacOS X. Everything works right out of the box with no fighting with stupid driver conflicts like cheap x86 hardware has. I can reinstall either MacOS in less than 30 mins and it's just like it was from the factory. I've never had an x86 laptop that could do that.
So, before slamming Apple's prices, compare a bit. Sure, they cost more than cheap x86 HW and yes, they are slower. But, they're better built, they have no HW/SW conflicts, and they're a hell of a lot nicer to look at.
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Sun's are expensive and underpowered. Commidity hardware makes sense.
Same could be said for Apple.
Come on IBM, knock these guys down!
One thing is for certain: someone needs to stop this. These threats and implications are going to have an impact on Linux vendors' bottom line. RH sales *will* be hurt by this as will SuSE's.
This is dirty business at its lowest. In the end, I hope SCO goes out of business in a bad way.
Texas???
I heard once that it's legal to shoot someone in Texas if they are on your property after dark... if this is true, maybe we could get McBride and some of his lawyer pals to your place one night?
I'm a *huge* Linux and FOSS fan. I work in an environment that uses Macs, Windows and some Linux. The Mac people I work with give real meaning to the term "zealot". They earn the title daily. If Steve Jobs asked them to drink poison koolaid, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Something that I recently put a stop too (as I now control the budget) is the buying of Macs to run Windows based apps. For example, someone needs a laptop for travel that requires an app that only runs on Windows. Used to be that the Mac zealots would buy an ibook for $1,400 then buy a copy of Win2000 Pro for $200 and then buy a copy of Virtual PC for $300 in order for the app to work. Now, I buy a 1,000 Dell PC and that's it. It's a lot cheaper and the app works much better. None of this emulation black magic. This has really pissed the Mac people off as they hate *anything* from MS (except MS Ofiice... which they are fond of pirating).
With all that said, I'd have to make the same decision with Linux. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and FOSS, but I believe in the right tool for the job. If someone is buying a platform and emulating another platform off of it, someone has put ideology ahead of business sense and logic. Especially when it cost *more* money, which in this case, it did.
The problem with BSD is that there are too many Albert Einstein-like people involved with its development... and Matt Dillion is one of them. I don't mean that in a bad way. These guy are *smart* probably one in a billion kind of smart. The problem with that is they can't work together very well. Theo (Open BSD), Matt (FreeBSD) Both these guys forked over differences of opinion with other developers.
Imagine what these guys could actually *do* if they put aside their differences and worked together!! No unsolved CS problem would be safe.
It's too popular and useful to die.
Well said. Mozilla is to IE what Linux is to Windows. They are equally important. The world *needs* open source and free software. It's innovative, fun and useful to a broad range of people. Without it, the Tech industry really would be dead!
Why is open source so popular? IMO, it's because users are empowered by it. They don't have to buy a c compiler (thanks RMS), they don't have to use a closed OS kernel that they have no control over (thanks Linus). Now, they can make their machines useful w/o having to buy extra items or ask permission from the vendor to alter the product.
Open source and free software are all about freedom, the freedom of the user. And to me, the world would be much less enjoyable without it.
I think this is a new reality. Fortunately, I saw it coming before it was too late. I sold the house (that I really couldn't afford) and bought a small Townhouse instead. Paid it off quickly and began renting it out. Bought another small townhouse and did the same thing. Today, I have 3 rental properites that I own outright and I live in a Duplex that will soon be paid for. The next dwelling I buy will be a nice house like I *used* to have because now, I can really afford it.
;)
I still have the IT career as I'm a decent programmer and sys admin, but many of my friends do not. The difference between me and my firends is that I realized how quickly I could be out of work, they did not. I remeber talking to them about it and how they thought I was a nut. They think I'm a visionary now, but I'm just a realistic person who has a good grasp of reality and not a false preception of it.
We'll have to make do on less from now on, but we can make it if we get our minds in line with reality and act accordingly. Get rid of the big house, the expensive car, etc and start making what money you have *work* for you. It worked for me. There's nothing like the thought of sleeping at night while someone writes a check out to me for rent
Apple is good at shooting itself in the foot like this. Take the apple music store... doesn't work with Windows. When the ipod first came out... it didn't work with Windows, etc, etc,
Apple could make *tons* of money if they weren't so selfish. That's been there problem since day one. Look where it's gotten them.
Quote from the introduction of the book:
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"We don't know about you, but to us, software that we don't have source code to just pisses us off. So we figure: screw it, lets do some damage.
Cheap comments like this really degrade this book.
I wonder if you can nuke an OF password with the pram-clear spock pinch...
Yes, you can do this. Change the amount of RAM in the system (either add or remove a RAM chip) and then clear the pram. Bingo... no OF passwd.
W2K came out in 1999. There have been 4 major SvcPacks released for it that contain bug fixes and added features (all at no charge).
Apple release OS X in 2001. First it was 10.0, then it was 10.1, then 10.2, and now 10.3 Each point release costed around $150. And, OS X just *really* reached a stable, useable condition around late 10.1 or early 10.2
So, MS wins this category too. Now, let's compare market share...
Steve Jobs shoots Apple in the foot once again. MBA classes all across America probably use Apple's poor business decisions as examples of how to offend customers and how *not* to grow business... the *one* thing Apple excels at ;)
Steve Jobs & Apple are permanent fuck-ups.
You're joking right???
OS X Classic mode sucks big time. Sorry to burst your bubble, but emulation ain't the real thing. It causes more problems than it fixes. It's been a nightmare trying to make apps work in classic mode, and when I say work, I mean 80 to 85% functionality(fonts, printing, scanning, etc.)
Besides, rumor has it that Apple is going to dump classic mode one day soon. And I thought MS was bad... that was before I used a Mac.
What if this is a big plan on the part of Big Blue? What if they are paying SCO to bring this legal challenge so that questions about IP in Linux can be addressed in court? IBM gets a free and clear Linux to push against MS Windows, Sun Solaris, Apple OS X, etc. And SCO gets money or is bought out... everyone gets what they want.
Or, maybe this is an attempt by IBM to take over Linux; be the only 'authorized' Linux distributer. Anyone else see the possibilities here????
Maybe we should see them as the good guys instead of the bad guys. Maybe it's all a big IBM plan the purpose of which is to clear all IP in Linux? SCO is the fall guy. IBM will be buying them, directly or indirectly. Either way, everyone gets what they want. IBM clears Linux IP once and for all. SCO gets money. The GPL gets its day in court.
Anyone else see this???
We are truely blessed to live in the house of our dreams, on 5 acres out in the country, but we got it on two incomes and we won't be able to keep it on one.
Why don't you try to live within or below your means? It works for me.
Income by your own labor is OK, but it can be very risky as you've discovered. In short, it's an illusion that can be taken from you at the drop of a hat. Boss doesn't like you, economy gets bad, you screw something up and BAM, you're history. The 60,000 dollars a year is gone so is daycare, so is eating out, so is a lot of things. It was all an illusion.
Live in an modest town house or condo. They cost a 1/3 of a house and can be rented easily. Buy 2 or 3 of them, live in them for awhile, pay them off, rent them out for 700 to 800 dollars a month and THEN buy the big house of your dreams! So, when your boss fires your sorry ass, you have 3 rental units brining in $2400/month (around 30,000 per year). If you lose your job, times will still be tight, but you won't have to give up your dream house because the rental money can take care of that.
Unless you earn money in some way other than physical/mental labor, you're screwed. I like going to bed at night knowing that people are paying ME. You'll never make money as long as you are paying OTHERS and your only source of income is work.
Computer prices are so low because there is no other differentiation besides price. What is the difference between HP, Dell, and Gateway?
Service and support, that's the difference. Dell thrives in this area. Besides the fact that I can purchase a Dell laptop that is twice as fast and twice as inexpensive as an Apple I can get one with support that covers drops and spills... Apple does not provide that. In the real world (the world that is 98% PC), Apple can't compete and never has.
Now, should Apple ever compete with PCs in performance, price and support, then a lot of people would buy them. But until then, it just doesn't make sense.
Why does openbsd exist again? Oh yeah, because Theo couldn't get his sparc patches accepted by the port maintainer. It's really odd that Theo has those emails up on his web site; they're not particularly flattering.
Here's why people attempt to knock Theo down: They desperately wish that they were like him.
Theo speaks his mind. He's true to himself. He doesn't say what others want to hear; he says what should be said. In short, he's honest and he doesn't play politics and that tends to offend people. So be it.
We only live life once. Anyone can be a yes man. People who have soul, who are naturally royal stand out and rise above all the bullshit in the world. Cloth them in rags and they still command respect, they still remain the subject of envy. Theo is one of these people. I am another one. You wish you were too. Get over it.
Buy the poor woman a Mac. You know it makes sense.
Are you joking? I started using Macs two months ago. Before that time it was 100% Windows PCs. I found the transition from the PC to the Mac difficult, and still prefer the PC
The post above you complained about the steps required to eject a CD under Linux. Well, Mac's claim to be intuitive, but what the hell is intuitive about dragging the CD icon to the trash when you want to eject it? What does throw away have to do with eject? In Windows, I right click and select (gasp) EJECT. That's a hell of a lot more understandable than dragging it to the trash.
Windows is better than OSX by a long shot!
There are millions of Windows machines in the wild that can be exploited at the drop of a hat; same true for *NIX.
Truer words have never been spoken. I know a 'webmaster' who has been placed in charge of a RH Linux web server. He loaded RH 7.3 on it when it first came out and has yet to patch it. Sendmail has had several major exploits since that time. Before this box, he had a RH 6.2 box that was hacked so badly that the FBI showed up to do some forensics on the box as it took part in an attack against some high-profile government web sites. He thought the FBI visit was fun... so did his boss. The company's network technicians even shut down his server's ethernet portal once when the machine was involved in a massive DDoS attack. He simply unplugged the ethernet cable and pluuged it into another portal because he didn't want to miss any hits. After that, the network guys shut the router down entirely and threatened to keep it down forever until this guy patched his server. But, this artsy web master is too busy playing with pictures to post on the website and the server remains unpatched.
So, before slamming Window, or any OS for that matter, blame these *stupid* admins.
[MS stock] ain't what it used to be...
No technology stock is "what is used to be" And if you find this unusually, my question to you is: What planet have you been on for the last 3 years?
IBM's stock "ain't what it used to be" neither is Dell's or HP's. The whole IT industry sucks right now. Pay scales are 1/3 what they were in 1999. MS is as much as a victim of this as anyone else. At least they're still in business.
I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Here's a few intelligent reasons:
1. No viruses
2. Integrated hw and sw
3. Stylish design
4. OS X's stability, speed and security
How's that?
Yes, this is probably true. The PPC 970 is awesome. It's RISC, it's 64-bit and 32-bit backward compatible so all of your old apps will work, but there's one little problem... cost.
Apple isn't known for being inexpensive, and these chips will not be cheap! Intel has cost down pat. Sure, Intel may not be quite as fast as this chip at first, but they'll still be cheaper, much cheaper and w/i a year of the 970's release, Intel will equal or exceed its performance for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.
How many of you can afford a 5,000 to 6,000 dollar apple/ibm ppc 970???
Why not buy a 3,000 dollar Intel Xeon and run Linux on it?
Works for me. Debian has a very active PPC port. I run it on an 700Mhz ibook with the same performance as RH i386 gets on a Dell Inspiron 900Mhz laptop.
I don't want to pay Apple's prices, but I'd like to run a PPC.
I just bought an 700Mhz ibook with a 30GB hdd and an airport card for $ 1,078.00. The Apple Care plan costed me an extra $187.00. An entry level Dell laptop (that had a 799.00 base price) would have costed me roughly $100.00 more than the ibook after getting service and support comparable to Apple Care. The only difference between the two laptops was proc speed... the Dell was a 1.4Ghz.
I love my ibook. It runs Debian PPC GNU/Linux, MacOS 9 and MacOS X. Everything works right out of the box with no fighting with stupid driver conflicts like cheap x86 hardware has. I can reinstall either MacOS in less than 30 mins and it's just like it was from the factory. I've never had an x86 laptop that could do that.
So, before slamming Apple's prices, compare a bit. Sure, they cost more than cheap x86 HW and yes, they are slower. But, they're better built, they have no HW/SW conflicts, and they're a hell of a lot nicer to look at.