Why would e race to give everything to the top 1% who are lucky enough to claim ownership of everything?
I'm not asking for more education to solve the problem because that won't solve it. The problem isn't "how do we train people for new jobs" it's "what do we do with people when there _are_ no jobs?". What do we do when only 20% of us have any useful work to do? What about 10%? 1%?
I've never once seen the right wing give me a good answer that didn't boil down to "let 'em die for my profit and glory" or some form of back door socialism. If you've got the balls (and they psychopathy) to let 99% of the world starve while 1% live like Gods fine. Say it and be done. But then again, your just conservatrolling to my libtrolling. Nothing ever comes of this and we're both broke ass losers posting on/. anyway...
is to tax the owners of the kiosks and give the money (in the form of "Basic Income") to the people put out of work. There's all sorts of justifications for this ( The intrinsic worth of humanity, the fact that earths natural resources existed before your granddad came along and claimed them, etc). But it mostly boils down to one simple question: Do you have the cojones to let people die miserable deaths from starvation and the elements? If you do, fine. Welcome to psychopathy.
Now, as for the hard stuff (e.g. controlling prices and inflation) there are plenty of ways to do that. They're hard, and require effort. You can't wave a magic wand of +1 Ayn Rand's magic laissez faire and have it work out. It requires active participation in the economic well being of an entire populace. It also requires abandoning economic principles (not "moral principles") that aren't working. It means continuously striving to improve and control powerful trends and forces. It's not the sorta thing you figure out with a stupid/. post like mine (or yours, for that matter).
It's a good thing this is the only time in recorded history labor practices have ever been abused. Whoo. Dodged that bullet.
Jokes aside, the assumption is that there are many, many more of these abuses going on, and that their aggregation is what depresses wages. I suppose the argument could be made that these are few and far between, but then there's no real harm in harsh punishments, is there?
it's called Treason. It's also very, very hard to prove. This is just an attempt to get around those laws so they can punish people without all the red tape of due process.
Because you'll never get near them to do the deed. Maybe you'll get some of the low level workaday guys that don't matter. But any of the people really making your life hell are very, very well protected.
if it's so easy to outsource and we don't need any workers here why do we even have the H1-B program in the first place? Could it be that there's a benefit to having workers here? I keep hearing that if we don't let 'em have their visas their just outsource the work anyway. Let 'em. We'll just take back all the land they own. Don't want to live and work in America? Fine. You can go home, but you can't take the ball...
and these policies benefit them. Workers are at each other's throats. Blue collar guys blame white collar guys for not protecting their jobs when manufacturing went away in the 80s. White collar guys are isolated and convinced they should be able to make it on their own. Meanwhile the rich pick us off like ants. It's gotten to the point where Union is a bad word. The AMA? The Bar? Unions by any other name. But run by rich guys that know better than to associate with the riff-raff they want to screw...
in other parts of the thread, if you don't fine someone several times the profit made from the illegal activity and you don't put them in jail then they will continue to do the activity. I doubt they lost money on the deal, so why stop?
Also, the damage wasn't limited to the employees. Everyone in tech (which is most of/.) lost wages when the prevailing wage for tech workers was depressed as a result of this behavior.
For the people I know who play it it's more about giving themselves hope to escape their miserable lives. It's also a social stabilizer, giving the lower classes the feeling that they have a way out.
buy Asus/Acer or even HP for Pete's sake. But Dell has been selling $1200 laptops with laughable specs for 10+ years now.
With a Mac you pay through the nose, but you always get the same thing. With a PC there's so many choices it's easy to drop that kinda money and walk away with something that on paper should rock and in practice it blows. I've got an i7 laptop for work that's like that, and it's the bane of my existence.
True, but it's nice when Americans get reminded just how powerless they really are. Maybe a few more of these and we'll start cracking down on corruption again. For example, that City Manager is almost certainly about to lose his job... and walk right into a nice gig with Comcast. There was a time in the 70s when we threw people in jail for that.
American style health care why not move here? That's one thing that we win out in. If you've got tons of money our health care is great. As someone who's had family who are only alive today because of socialized medicine though I find our system terrible. We've let people die for lack of health care.
and making under $150k/yr wouldn't trade it for private insurance. And we all go single payer at 65 unless we're making 10 times that. While I'm on the subject, I've never met a Canadian or Britain who would trade their health care for ours.
And what world do you live in where Obamacare is single payer? It isn't even close. It's an awful compromise created when the insurance companies spent half a billion dollars in _one_ year flooding every possible media channel with stories of death panels for Grandma (who, ironically, is already on Medicare, a single payer system). It's the best we can get with the current political system and folks like yourself with an irrational fear of a system that works great everywhere else in the world.
without serious medical issues. After that they go on America's socialized medicine program, Medicare. This is by design. The elderly are not profitable to insure and are reliant on health care. They would demand socialized medicine one way or the other. This keeps them from becoming a voting block for broad scale Single Payer healthcare
Now, if you're one of those Americans without a great job and with a bunch of health problems, yeah, you're in for a world of hurt. But by then you're heavily marginalized. You're much too busy surviving to vote...
only matter if you're not willing to let people die. Then again most of Europe has some form of socialized medicine. Here in America we don't need to factor in the cost of health.
who in their right mind would go into computer science in America right now? At the same time Tech Giants are pushing for more CS majors their campaigning hard to bring in more H1-B visa holders. Meanwhile outsourcing continues to eliminate jobs.
Maybe if the gov't would get serious about promoting small software businesses (small 50 employees, and be careful they're not just shill companies for Microsoft et al) and if we had some protectionism I'd say go for it. But right now is not a good time to be a CS major...
but around here we're a representational democracy. Now, when our voter turnout gets above 50% you might have a point, but for now the gov't protects those what put 'em in office, and with our low as crap voter turnout that's gonna be whoever pays for the tv ads and voter reg drives.
that since the same amount of wealth is being generated with 1/3 less people, but society at large is no better off. You did good to stem the worst of it, and you should be proud. But now we've got however many people in poverty with little or no way out. It's a race to the bottom, with you and Taiwan both eventually losing. Maybe you'll die before that happens. Maybe you're kids will too. What about your Grandkids? If they're not the factory owners do they have any future? Does anyone but the guys at the top culling 1/3?
The monitoring software where my buddy works has gotten good enough they don't need teams of analysts to watch over things anymore. Most of the problems I see are caused by cutting corners in programming because there's not computer power. As computer power gets cheaper and cheaper that all goes away, and those tech jobs go with them.
In the 80s Computers and automation were suppose to free us for a 20 hour work week. Now we're pushing 50-60 hour work weeks because the only thing it's done is increase competition for the few jobs left. Productivity America's up something like 80% but real wages are way don. I'm not quite ready to become a Luddite yet but I'd like to see some of this increased productivity show up in my pay. But law of supply and demand says the more work I can get down the less it's worth.
Heck, I'll just come out and say it: Can I has socialism?
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Why would e race to give everything to the top 1% who are lucky enough to claim ownership of everything?
/. anyway...
I'm not asking for more education to solve the problem because that won't solve it. The problem isn't "how do we train people for new jobs" it's "what do we do with people when there _are_ no jobs?". What do we do when only 20% of us have any useful work to do? What about 10%? 1%?
I've never once seen the right wing give me a good answer that didn't boil down to "let 'em die for my profit and glory" or some form of back door socialism. If you've got the balls (and they psychopathy) to let 99% of the world starve while 1% live like Gods fine. Say it and be done. But then again, your just conservatrolling to my libtrolling. Nothing ever comes of this and we're both broke ass losers posting on
Can we throw everyone in the South in jail now? Oh wait, Canada. Darn.
Seriously, this is just nuts. Are people really this easily scared into giving ground on basic rights?
There's tonnes of evidence to back him up. You know, unless you believe in magic every effect _does_ in fact have a cause...
all you have to do is keep redefining "Middle Class". How's that old Steinbeck quote about temporarily inconvenienced millionaires go again?
is to tax the owners of the kiosks and give the money (in the form of "Basic Income") to the people put out of work. There's all sorts of justifications for this ( The intrinsic worth of humanity, the fact that earths natural resources existed before your granddad came along and claimed them, etc). But it mostly boils down to one simple question: Do you have the cojones to let people die miserable deaths from starvation and the elements? If you do, fine. Welcome to psychopathy.
/. post like mine (or yours, for that matter).
Now, as for the hard stuff (e.g. controlling prices and inflation) there are plenty of ways to do that. They're hard, and require effort. You can't wave a magic wand of +1 Ayn Rand's magic laissez faire and have it work out. It requires active participation in the economic well being of an entire populace. It also requires abandoning economic principles (not "moral principles") that aren't working. It means continuously striving to improve and control powerful trends and forces. It's not the sorta thing you figure out with a stupid
It's a good thing this is the only time in recorded history labor practices have ever been abused. Whoo. Dodged that bullet.
Jokes aside, the assumption is that there are many, many more of these abuses going on, and that their aggregation is what depresses wages. I suppose the argument could be made that these are few and far between, but then there's no real harm in harsh punishments, is there?
it's called Treason. It's also very, very hard to prove. This is just an attempt to get around those laws so they can punish people without all the red tape of due process.
Because you'll never get near them to do the deed. Maybe you'll get some of the low level workaday guys that don't matter. But any of the people really making your life hell are very, very well protected.
if it's so easy to outsource and we don't need any workers here why do we even have the H1-B program in the first place? Could it be that there's a benefit to having workers here? I keep hearing that if we don't let 'em have their visas their just outsource the work anyway. Let 'em. We'll just take back all the land they own. Don't want to live and work in America? Fine. You can go home, but you can't take the ball...
and these policies benefit them. Workers are at each other's throats. Blue collar guys blame white collar guys for not protecting their jobs when manufacturing went away in the 80s. White collar guys are isolated and convinced they should be able to make it on their own. Meanwhile the rich pick us off like ants. It's gotten to the point where Union is a bad word. The AMA? The Bar? Unions by any other name. But run by rich guys that know better than to associate with the riff-raff they want to screw...
in other parts of the thread, if you don't fine someone several times the profit made from the illegal activity and you don't put them in jail then they will continue to do the activity. I doubt they lost money on the deal, so why stop?
/.) lost wages when the prevailing wage for tech workers was depressed as a result of this behavior.
Also, the damage wasn't limited to the employees. Everyone in tech (which is most of
For the people I know who play it it's more about giving themselves hope to escape their miserable lives. It's also a social stabilizer, giving the lower classes the feeling that they have a way out.
buy Asus/Acer or even HP for Pete's sake. But Dell has been selling $1200 laptops with laughable specs for 10+ years now.
With a Mac you pay through the nose, but you always get the same thing. With a PC there's so many choices it's easy to drop that kinda money and walk away with something that on paper should rock and in practice it blows. I've got an i7 laptop for work that's like that, and it's the bane of my existence.
True, but it's nice when Americans get reminded just how powerless they really are. Maybe a few more of these and we'll start cracking down on corruption again. For example, that City Manager is almost certainly about to lose his job... and walk right into a nice gig with Comcast. There was a time in the 70s when we threw people in jail for that.
American style health care why not move here? That's one thing that we win out in. If you've got tons of money our health care is great. As someone who's had family who are only alive today because of socialized medicine though I find our system terrible. We've let people die for lack of health care.
Then again, grass is always greener.
and making under $150k/yr wouldn't trade it for private insurance. And we all go single payer at 65 unless we're making 10 times that. While I'm on the subject, I've never met a Canadian or Britain who would trade their health care for ours.
And what world do you live in where Obamacare is single payer? It isn't even close. It's an awful compromise created when the insurance companies spent half a billion dollars in _one_ year flooding every possible media channel with stories of death panels for Grandma (who, ironically, is already on Medicare, a single payer system). It's the best we can get with the current political system and folks like yourself with an irrational fear of a system that works great everywhere else in the world.
without serious medical issues. After that they go on America's socialized medicine program, Medicare. This is by design. The elderly are not profitable to insure and are reliant on health care. They would demand socialized medicine one way or the other. This keeps them from becoming a voting block for broad scale Single Payer healthcare
Now, if you're one of those Americans without a great job and with a bunch of health problems, yeah, you're in for a world of hurt. But by then you're heavily marginalized. You're much too busy surviving to vote...
only matter if you're not willing to let people die. Then again most of Europe has some form of socialized medicine. Here in America we don't need to factor in the cost of health.
who in their right mind would go into computer science in America right now? At the same time Tech Giants are pushing for more CS majors their campaigning hard to bring in more H1-B visa holders. Meanwhile outsourcing continues to eliminate jobs.
Maybe if the gov't would get serious about promoting small software businesses (small 50 employees, and be careful they're not just shill companies for Microsoft et al) and if we had some protectionism I'd say go for it. But right now is not a good time to be a CS major...
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but around here we're a representational democracy. Now, when our voter turnout gets above 50% you might have a point, but for now the gov't protects those what put 'em in office, and with our low as crap voter turnout that's gonna be whoever pays for the tv ads and voter reg drives.
Can you convert that to rods/hogsheads?
that since the same amount of wealth is being generated with 1/3 less people, but society at large is no better off. You did good to stem the worst of it, and you should be proud. But now we've got however many people in poverty with little or no way out. It's a race to the bottom, with you and Taiwan both eventually losing. Maybe you'll die before that happens. Maybe you're kids will too. What about your Grandkids? If they're not the factory owners do they have any future? Does anyone but the guys at the top culling 1/3?
I seem to remember the profits being a _lot_ more that a measly $105 billion.
The monitoring software where my buddy works has gotten good enough they don't need teams of analysts to watch over things anymore. Most of the problems I see are caused by cutting corners in programming because there's not computer power. As computer power gets cheaper and cheaper that all goes away, and those tech jobs go with them.
In the 80s Computers and automation were suppose to free us for a 20 hour work week. Now we're pushing 50-60 hour work weeks because the only thing it's done is increase competition for the few jobs left. Productivity America's up something like 80% but real wages are way don. I'm not quite ready to become a Luddite yet but I'd like to see some of this increased productivity show up in my pay. But law of supply and demand says the more work I can get down the less it's worth.
Heck, I'll just come out and say it: Can I has socialism?