we had a couple of major breakthroughs (nuclear power, the micro processor, germ theory) and got a lot of value out of those for decades. As for scientists being older when they discover new things, no shit. There's more to learn before you can add to the body of knowledge.
Also, we've just plain got less problems. Science has given us enough food to end starvation. The problem is no longer a scientific one, it's a social one. We've got the food, we just don't want to bother giving it to the folks who are starving. Science gave us cancer vaccines, and society gave us Jenny McCarthy.
Chicago is run by Clinton Democrats. Right wing Democrats who mostly act like the GOP except on social issues. They do this because the voters are used to voting Democrat but actual left wing Dems don't get fat sacks of corporate cash with which to buy elections.
Again, this is why you, as a voter, need to demand better. Make No Corp PAC money a defining issue.
for a discussion. Some states charge on dollars sold (the more progressive ones) but a lot charge on _volume_ sold. e.g. one liter of Pabst taxes the same as one liter of expensive wine.
That's when you structure your taxes to disproportionately affect the poor and working class because your elected reps won't raise taxes on their wealthy donors. Another good example is flat alcohol taxes. You'll pay the same tax on that 50 cent can of Pabst Blue Ribbon that your CEO pays on his $3000 bottle of Chateau de something-or-other.
As an added bonus these taxes piss off working class people who then demand tax cuts. You then give tax cuts to billionaire elites and when there's the inevitable budget shortfall create another batch of regressive taxes, which cause the working class to demand more tax cuts which leads to more of them for the rich which leads to more regressive taxes to make up the difference which.... well you get the idea.
Anyway there's a really easy solution to all this: Stop voting for people who accept corporate PAC money. Make it a deal breaker for any politician in your primary. Oh, and vote in your primary election.
Here's an entire wing of the Dems that won't take corp PAC money. If anyone knows the GOP equivalent please post it, I've been looking for it. If there's any issue that needs to be bipartisan it's this.
like Sears. Or Toys R Us. Or Yellow Front (anyone on West cost remember them?).
Oh, and while we're on the subject treating your employees like crap non stop doesn't help. Even Walmart had to raise pay and decrease workload a bit because they were losing money with unstocked shelves.
the kind that make a crime committed in another country against our citizens or our gov't prosecutable via extradition treaty?
I suppose you can argue that what he did shouldn't be a crime. Heck, I'm not even sure what they'd charge him with.
Still, if you didn't want him prosecuted you were probably better off with Bernie. Yeah, Hilary cheated to win the primary, but she was such a lousy candidate that shouldn't have mattered. If she'd lost like she should have (by 10+ points) we'd be saying "Mr President" to Bernie right now. But folks either stayed home or registered GOP and didn't vote for him in the primary.
The bad guys cheat. Get over it. It happens. But if the good guys stay home then what do you expect?
His power was leaking things. It's surprisingly hard to do that from a maximum security prison. Heck, he hasn't leaked anything since the Trump election. It's not that his platform has shrunk, it's that he doesn't have any content.
Kill him and you'll have decades of conspiracies and more than a few copy cats. Lock him up and he just goes away.
it's to get the US to spend more money on defense instead of back home on the (floundering) economy.
It's a classic cold war technique. The goal is to make your opponent drive themselves into bankruptcy trying to match you. We used it on the Russians and it pretty much wrecked them.
and science in general. There is _always_ uncertainly in science (unless you're talking "Scientology", but I trust you know the difference).
If you want somebody to give you certainty join a religion or a cult. If you want to solve problems use science.
At this point I think you're either trolling or your a shill. It doesn't matter, you're going to lose this one. If the scientists win we start acting to solve global warming. If they don't the problems are likely to hit us all before you die. It's going to suck. The economy is going to take a major hit, they'll be wars. If you're young you might get drafted to go die in them. If you're old you'll suffer at home as money is diverted to the war effort. I don't know what you think you're doing, but this is not going to end well for you.
I know, I'm old. But seriously, they're directly copying this form of advertising from Radio. I actually found it charming when Pat the NES punk started doing it. The clearest indicator that radio is dying was when the advertisers move to the new media.
To be honest I'm not going to be sad to see the old media go. The new media can be just as bad, but it can also be better
you're talking about the descriptive language they use. Scientists always uses weak, uncertain sounding language, even when they're 90% certain. That's because they are trying very, very hard to keep an open mind and above all be ready to be proven wrong. But to a layman it always sounds like they don't trust anything they say or do. That's not true.
Again, these models are being used to save lives. Is there room for improvement? Yes. There is _always_ room for improvement. That's what science is. You're never satisfied with the results. And again, this is frustrating to a layman because laymen want definite, perfect answers. But you should never trust anyone telling you something with absolute certainty.
it's accuracy isn't perfect, but that is by no means the same as being wrong. Science is about predictions. Predictions are not prophecy. There is a statistical probability of something happening, and that means it might not happen. On the plus side science is a hell of a lot more accurate than prophecy.
See here. Though it's still not enough to say if your city will be spared or not. We know enough to tell people when to evacuate, which is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Your post seems to be trying to cast shade on scientists, implying that their computer models are purposefully wrong. They're not. Again, these computer models are amazing things that are saving lives.
I'm not sure if you really intended to imply the scientists are lying for the sake of profit, but you are. Comments like yours are part of a broader narrative to discredit scientists in general. That narrative is coming out of right wing, pro-corporate think tanks who don't want their profits jeopardized. It's not even that there'd be all that much less money going around if we fought climate change instead of ignoring it, rather the money might go somewhere else. Somewhere besides their coffers.
Again, I don't know if you were aware of all this when you posted, but if by some chance you read my post, well, congrats, you are now. The only question is what are you going to do with this information?
your hat doesn't determine your beliefs, your words and (more importantly) your actions do. Your words (can't say anything about your actions since I only know you by words) make you right wing. That might be unconformable to you. That's not uncommon. The right wing have gone pretty far off the deep end since Bill Clinton moved the Democratic party to the right. That forced the GOP to move right and in turn their hardline right had to move themselves. This was done to maintain a separate political identity. The end result is where we are now. Torture's OK, people openly call for shooting asylum seekers, 8 wars and counting and the Flint Water Crisis. I could go on....
And I think you're missing the point. It's not that the left and right don't have pseudo science nut jobs, it's that the left have members of our community who dedicate their lives to combating pseudo science. The Right, for their part, have no such community.
Worse, they've got the Evangelicals (who the accepted with open arms because, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters to the leadership of the right wing is shifting money & power to themselves and their masters). The Evangelicals fight tooth and nail against science since, well, it contradicts their interpretation of scripture (and their leadership is also in it for some of that money and power).
My point is that the people you're bedding down with are objectively worse than the folks I hang out with. You should distance yourself from them for your own good. If you do maintain ties do what I do, and try and get them to see reason.
the folks I know working at computer shops agree. They're seeing a _lot_ less calls to remove viruses. It's more than a bit of a problem actually. Virus removals were the Bread and Butter of a lot of these little computer shops. If you've noticed a lot of them going tits up, that's why.
and there aren't many of those left. Most of the Abandonware sites I used to frequent have shut down (a lot of them started trading warez and it wasn't long until they got popped). The less, shall we say, NFSW sites are such big business these days that they police their malware pretty well. You're more likely to get popped with a virus on CNN. I used to get hit every now and then by a video and Windows Media Player but I started using Youtube + Media Player Classic and I don't pull videos from untrusted sources and that stopped.
Knock on wood and all but if you're tech savvy viruses have a damn hard time getting to you these days.
And vote in your mid terms and even your primaries. This is why it's so important to vote. People don't realize how much power elected government officials wield. But I guarantee you Corporations do
as a basic human right, such that if a member of the ruling class moved to use killer robots to oppress us that we'd have a financially stable and well educated electorate that would recognize it's happening and stop it.
As it stands the dog eat dog capitalism we've been taught from birth is the norm leaves people too blasted out at the end of a work day to do anything about the coming dystopia.
Tax "incentives" are the most insidious type of trickle down economics. The assumption is that without these "Job Creators" all labor would stop. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bezos was a right time/right place guy. He didn't build Amazon, the engineers did. Bezos is going to go where those engineers are. He has to. He couldn't build the company by himself. He's clever and well educated, but he's one man. There's only so much one man can do/learn.
Instead of tax incentives we should be investing in America and the American worker. Demand side economics. Let them come to us instead of us bowing and begging to them. That's what makes this feel so wrong. We're all begging Jeff to give us a little bit of his money. We've been reduced to peasants. That's what that sinking feeling in your gut means.
we don't need to be giving the richest man on earth free Helipads. He came to New York because one of his houses is nearby. He never intended to put it anywhere else.
Invest in your workers (demand side) and the businesses will follow. They'll have to, because otherwise they won't get workers. America is where business wants to be because our military protects their ass(et)s. We're an incredibly safe and secure place to live.
And as always, if they want to leave, fine. Go. Get out. Don't let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya. But you don't get to take the ball. That's what eminent domain is for.
I mean, it's tech right? And how about our Cell network? Or our reliance on oil driven cars as the primary form of transportation? Or how about women and education? What do you suppose it was like for a scientifically minded women in the 1800s? How about the 1900s? How about today in Saudi Arabia?
Tech is not nor has it ever been completely divorced from the social and political environment it exists in. Nothing has changed.
To be blunt, this is an anti-SJW narrative being pushed by the right wing to distract from economic issues. A small number of bad actors on the left are being given a disproportionate amount of voice to rile folks up since polls show 80% of people hate political correctness. Those same polls show 82% dislike Hate Speech. The far right is exploiting this cognitive disconnect for their own profit.
The sooner we all get wise to this b.s. the sooner we all win. We can marginalize & ignore the nut job SJWs while pushing economic policies that benefit us all. It's a win-win for everyone except the far right and their billionaire masters.
but we've got an extensive network of people fighting our nut jobs. Go watch "Genetic Skeptic" or Aronra on Youtube.
Meanwhile the Right wing elected a Dominionist to the office of Vice President. If you don't know, a Dominionist is someone who wants to spread their brand of Christianity across the world, by force if needed. They're the Christian equivalent to Sharia law.
What I'm saying is the left's nut jobs are not even remotely comparable to the right's nut jobs. We actively fight to convert our nut jobs to science. The Right encourage them so long as they keep voting for tax cuts and gutting workers rights.
and every right wing think tank. About the only folks who opposed it were the far left, what today we call the "Berniecrats". Same deal for the Iraq war.
Right wing think tanks are a front for the billionaires. They realized in the 70s they needed to legitimize themselves so they hired folks like Bill Buckely to do just that. It gave them a veneer of respectability. It's the same reason they lean on Ayn Rand even though she hated them all with a passion.
And yes, the Democrats have right wingers who use social issues to distract from economic ones. Folks like Pelosi & Schumer. That said, those social issues aren't completely without merit. Let's remember that a significant portion of Evangelicals who take their Bible literally (selectively) would stone LGBTQs or (if they're being charitable) lobotomize them (which we used to do as far back as the ancient 1950s). Anyone remember Alan Turing? Anyone?
But let's not let the Clinton Democrats off the hook. Register to vote Independent or Democrat, Show up to your Primary and vote the Clintonites out and the Berniecrats in. Problem solved.
A YOutuber by the name of Beau of the Fifth Column has some great videos on reasonable gun control.
One of the videos talks about a 61 year old man who was shot by police who came to take his guns away after he was declared a risk to the community. The cops came at 5am. They did that because it's a military tactic. You're showing up while the target is waking up and likely to be disoriented. It's a tactic you use when you're showing up to kill your target.
And that's the problem. Police are using military tactics meant for lethal force without thinking about it. They adopted Military tactics because that's "Tough on Crime" without having the training or understanding of what those tactics _mean_. This is why you don't militarize your police.
For the record his solution was to have the police pull the guy over while he's out and about (similar to what was suggested for the leader of the Branch Dividians), take him to a hearing and have a hearing then and there to determine if he's a threat to the community. Seemed like an OK compromise.
don't forget the "Tough on Crime" voters. Most prosecutors have political ambitions (sorta like how most 7-11 clerks have musical ambitions). Prosecuting cops is bad optics. It'll bite you when you run for office.
If you want to hold police accountable you need to do away with Tough on Crime politics. It's a blind ideology that says anything that hurts criminals must be good. They're voters who don't think, they feel. You need to reach these voters and get them to consider the impacts of their voting decisions.
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we had a couple of major breakthroughs (nuclear power, the micro processor, germ theory) and got a lot of value out of those for decades. As for scientists being older when they discover new things, no shit. There's more to learn before you can add to the body of knowledge.
Also, we've just plain got less problems. Science has given us enough food to end starvation. The problem is no longer a scientific one, it's a social one. We've got the food, we just don't want to bother giving it to the folks who are starving. Science gave us cancer vaccines, and society gave us Jenny McCarthy.
Chicago is run by Clinton Democrats. Right wing Democrats who mostly act like the GOP except on social issues. They do this because the voters are used to voting Democrat but actual left wing Dems don't get fat sacks of corporate cash with which to buy elections.
Again, this is why you, as a voter, need to demand better. Make No Corp PAC money a defining issue.
for a discussion. Some states charge on dollars sold (the more progressive ones) but a lot charge on _volume_ sold. e.g. one liter of Pabst taxes the same as one liter of expensive wine.
That's when you structure your taxes to disproportionately affect the poor and working class because your elected reps won't raise taxes on their wealthy donors. Another good example is flat alcohol taxes. You'll pay the same tax on that 50 cent can of Pabst Blue Ribbon that your CEO pays on his $3000 bottle of Chateau de something-or-other.
As an added bonus these taxes piss off working class people who then demand tax cuts. You then give tax cuts to billionaire elites and when there's the inevitable budget shortfall create another batch of regressive taxes, which cause the working class to demand more tax cuts which leads to more of them for the rich which leads to more regressive taxes to make up the difference which.... well you get the idea.
Anyway there's a really easy solution to all this: Stop voting for people who accept corporate PAC money. Make it a deal breaker for any politician in your primary. Oh, and vote in your primary election.
Here's an entire wing of the Dems that won't take corp PAC money. If anyone knows the GOP equivalent please post it, I've been looking for it. If there's any issue that needs to be bipartisan it's this.
like Sears. Or Toys R Us. Or Yellow Front (anyone on West cost remember them?).
Oh, and while we're on the subject treating your employees like crap non stop doesn't help. Even Walmart had to raise pay and decrease workload a bit because they were losing money with unstocked shelves.
the kind that make a crime committed in another country against our citizens or our gov't prosecutable via extradition treaty?
I suppose you can argue that what he did shouldn't be a crime. Heck, I'm not even sure what they'd charge him with.
Still, if you didn't want him prosecuted you were probably better off with Bernie. Yeah, Hilary cheated to win the primary, but she was such a lousy candidate that shouldn't have mattered. If she'd lost like she should have (by 10+ points) we'd be saying "Mr President" to Bernie right now. But folks either stayed home or registered GOP and didn't vote for him in the primary.
The bad guys cheat. Get over it. It happens. But if the good guys stay home then what do you expect?
His power was leaking things. It's surprisingly hard to do that from a maximum security prison. Heck, he hasn't leaked anything since the Trump election. It's not that his platform has shrunk, it's that he doesn't have any content.
Kill him and you'll have decades of conspiracies and more than a few copy cats. Lock him up and he just goes away.
it's to get the US to spend more money on defense instead of back home on the (floundering) economy.
It's a classic cold war technique. The goal is to make your opponent drive themselves into bankruptcy trying to match you. We used it on the Russians and it pretty much wrecked them.
and science in general. There is _always_ uncertainly in science (unless you're talking "Scientology", but I trust you know the difference).
If you want somebody to give you certainty join a religion or a cult. If you want to solve problems use science.
At this point I think you're either trolling or your a shill. It doesn't matter, you're going to lose this one. If the scientists win we start acting to solve global warming. If they don't the problems are likely to hit us all before you die. It's going to suck. The economy is going to take a major hit, they'll be wars. If you're young you might get drafted to go die in them. If you're old you'll suffer at home as money is diverted to the war effort. I don't know what you think you're doing, but this is not going to end well for you.
I know, I'm old. But seriously, they're directly copying this form of advertising from Radio. I actually found it charming when Pat the NES punk started doing it. The clearest indicator that radio is dying was when the advertisers move to the new media.
To be honest I'm not going to be sad to see the old media go. The new media can be just as bad, but it can also be better
you're talking about the descriptive language they use. Scientists always uses weak, uncertain sounding language, even when they're 90% certain. That's because they are trying very, very hard to keep an open mind and above all be ready to be proven wrong. But to a layman it always sounds like they don't trust anything they say or do. That's not true.
Again, these models are being used to save lives. Is there room for improvement? Yes. There is _always_ room for improvement. That's what science is. You're never satisfied with the results. And again, this is frustrating to a layman because laymen want definite, perfect answers. But you should never trust anyone telling you something with absolute certainty.
it's accuracy isn't perfect, but that is by no means the same as being wrong. Science is about predictions. Predictions are not prophecy. There is a statistical probability of something happening, and that means it might not happen. On the plus side science is a hell of a lot more accurate than prophecy.
See here. Though it's still not enough to say if your city will be spared or not. We know enough to tell people when to evacuate, which is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Your post seems to be trying to cast shade on scientists, implying that their computer models are purposefully wrong. They're not. Again, these computer models are amazing things that are saving lives.
I'm not sure if you really intended to imply the scientists are lying for the sake of profit, but you are. Comments like yours are part of a broader narrative to discredit scientists in general. That narrative is coming out of right wing, pro-corporate think tanks who don't want their profits jeopardized. It's not even that there'd be all that much less money going around if we fought climate change instead of ignoring it, rather the money might go somewhere else. Somewhere besides their coffers.
Again, I don't know if you were aware of all this when you posted, but if by some chance you read my post, well, congrats, you are now. The only question is what are you going to do with this information?
your hat doesn't determine your beliefs, your words and (more importantly) your actions do. Your words (can't say anything about your actions since I only know you by words) make you right wing. That might be unconformable to you. That's not uncommon. The right wing have gone pretty far off the deep end since Bill Clinton moved the Democratic party to the right. That forced the GOP to move right and in turn their hardline right had to move themselves. This was done to maintain a separate political identity. The end result is where we are now. Torture's OK, people openly call for shooting asylum seekers, 8 wars and counting and the Flint Water Crisis. I could go on....
And I think you're missing the point. It's not that the left and right don't have pseudo science nut jobs, it's that the left have members of our community who dedicate their lives to combating pseudo science. The Right, for their part, have no such community.
Worse, they've got the Evangelicals (who the accepted with open arms because, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters to the leadership of the right wing is shifting money & power to themselves and their masters). The Evangelicals fight tooth and nail against science since, well, it contradicts their interpretation of scripture (and their leadership is also in it for some of that money and power).
My point is that the people you're bedding down with are objectively worse than the folks I hang out with. You should distance yourself from them for your own good. If you do maintain ties do what I do, and try and get them to see reason.
the folks I know working at computer shops agree. They're seeing a _lot_ less calls to remove viruses. It's more than a bit of a problem actually. Virus removals were the Bread and Butter of a lot of these little computer shops. If you've noticed a lot of them going tits up, that's why.
and there aren't many of those left. Most of the Abandonware sites I used to frequent have shut down (a lot of them started trading warez and it wasn't long until they got popped). The less, shall we say, NFSW sites are such big business these days that they police their malware pretty well. You're more likely to get popped with a virus on CNN. I used to get hit every now and then by a video and Windows Media Player but I started using Youtube + Media Player Classic and I don't pull videos from untrusted sources and that stopped.
Knock on wood and all but if you're tech savvy viruses have a damn hard time getting to you these days.
And vote in your mid terms and even your primaries. This is why it's so important to vote. People don't realize how much power elected government officials wield. But I guarantee you Corporations do
as a basic human right, such that if a member of the ruling class moved to use killer robots to oppress us that we'd have a financially stable and well educated electorate that would recognize it's happening and stop it.
As it stands the dog eat dog capitalism we've been taught from birth is the norm leaves people too blasted out at the end of a work day to do anything about the coming dystopia.
Tax "incentives" are the most insidious type of trickle down economics. The assumption is that without these "Job Creators" all labor would stop. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bezos was a right time/right place guy. He didn't build Amazon, the engineers did. Bezos is going to go where those engineers are. He has to. He couldn't build the company by himself. He's clever and well educated, but he's one man. There's only so much one man can do/learn.
Instead of tax incentives we should be investing in America and the American worker. Demand side economics. Let them come to us instead of us bowing and begging to them. That's what makes this feel so wrong. We're all begging Jeff to give us a little bit of his money. We've been reduced to peasants. That's what that sinking feeling in your gut means.
we don't need to be giving the richest man on earth free Helipads. He came to New York because one of his houses is nearby. He never intended to put it anywhere else.
Invest in your workers (demand side) and the businesses will follow. They'll have to, because otherwise they won't get workers. America is where business wants to be because our military protects their ass(et)s. We're an incredibly safe and secure place to live.
And as always, if they want to leave, fine. Go. Get out. Don't let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya. But you don't get to take the ball. That's what eminent domain is for.
I mean, it's tech right? And how about our Cell network? Or our reliance on oil driven cars as the primary form of transportation? Or how about women and education? What do you suppose it was like for a scientifically minded women in the 1800s? How about the 1900s? How about today in Saudi Arabia?
Tech is not nor has it ever been completely divorced from the social and political environment it exists in. Nothing has changed.
To be blunt, this is an anti-SJW narrative being pushed by the right wing to distract from economic issues. A small number of bad actors on the left are being given a disproportionate amount of voice to rile folks up since polls show 80% of people hate political correctness. Those same polls show 82% dislike Hate Speech. The far right is exploiting this cognitive disconnect for their own profit.
The sooner we all get wise to this b.s. the sooner we all win. We can marginalize & ignore the nut job SJWs while pushing economic policies that benefit us all. It's a win-win for everyone except the far right and their billionaire masters.
but we've got an extensive network of people fighting our nut jobs. Go watch "Genetic Skeptic" or Aronra on Youtube.
Meanwhile the Right wing elected a Dominionist to the office of Vice President. If you don't know, a Dominionist is someone who wants to spread their brand of Christianity across the world, by force if needed. They're the Christian equivalent to Sharia law.
What I'm saying is the left's nut jobs are not even remotely comparable to the right's nut jobs. We actively fight to convert our nut jobs to science. The Right encourage them so long as they keep voting for tax cuts and gutting workers rights.
and every right wing think tank. About the only folks who opposed it were the far left, what today we call the "Berniecrats". Same deal for the Iraq war.
Right wing think tanks are a front for the billionaires. They realized in the 70s they needed to legitimize themselves so they hired folks like Bill Buckely to do just that. It gave them a veneer of respectability. It's the same reason they lean on Ayn Rand even though she hated them all with a passion.
And yes, the Democrats have right wingers who use social issues to distract from economic ones. Folks like Pelosi & Schumer. That said, those social issues aren't completely without merit. Let's remember that a significant portion of Evangelicals who take their Bible literally (selectively) would stone LGBTQs or (if they're being charitable) lobotomize them (which we used to do as far back as the ancient 1950s). Anyone remember Alan Turing? Anyone?
But let's not let the Clinton Democrats off the hook. Register to vote Independent or Democrat, Show up to your Primary and vote the Clintonites out and the Berniecrats in. Problem solved.
A YOutuber by the name of Beau of the Fifth Column has some great videos on reasonable gun control.
One of the videos talks about a 61 year old man who was shot by police who came to take his guns away after he was declared a risk to the community. The cops came at 5am. They did that because it's a military tactic. You're showing up while the target is waking up and likely to be disoriented. It's a tactic you use when you're showing up to kill your target.
And that's the problem. Police are using military tactics meant for lethal force without thinking about it. They adopted Military tactics because that's "Tough on Crime" without having the training or understanding of what those tactics _mean_. This is why you don't militarize your police.
For the record his solution was to have the police pull the guy over while he's out and about (similar to what was suggested for the leader of the Branch Dividians), take him to a hearing and have a hearing then and there to determine if he's a threat to the community. Seemed like an OK compromise.
don't forget the "Tough on Crime" voters. Most prosecutors have political ambitions (sorta like how most 7-11 clerks have musical ambitions). Prosecuting cops is bad optics. It'll bite you when you run for office.
If you want to hold police accountable you need to do away with Tough on Crime politics. It's a blind ideology that says anything that hurts criminals must be good. They're voters who don't think, they feel. You need to reach these voters and get them to consider the impacts of their voting decisions.