I'm surprised the/. crowd doesn't get it. It's a full web browser, something other phones do not have, meaning you can use apps like Google Docs and Spreadsheets etc. It has hooks for dialing and email and the other phone features. The WWDC demo was spot-on, showing an app that a major corp could use for a smartphone, and not needing an SDK because the hooks are present in the browser.
The article seemed to be a what-if piece to me. What IF I need to make an app that takes things out of my address book, or What IF Java apps are slower than my native mail client? Can someone provide me with a concrete example of an app that won't be possible for an iPhone instead of giving me generalities?
Interesting rationale, but I figure that iTunes checks your sales records from the store and offers the upgrade that way. They aren't supposed to scan your library, and it sounds trivial to hack that way.
If you look at the content, it's a bunch of quotes from Islamic scholars and the Quran.
I could quote Jerry Falwell and Joseph Kony and some verses from the book of Leviticus and say that Christianity is a violent religion too. That site tries to bring up hadiths that scholars found to be shaky in their veracity and twists them. No real Muslim scholar would agree with much of those accusations, if the site tried to make their own fatwas they'd be debunked immediately because so much of it contradicts the Quran. Sorry, I could give you more accurate places than POD.
Judging them according to the Torah rather than the Quran is a nice touch though. I wonder how Muslims would react if we started to judge Muslim traitors like the London bombers according to the Quran. Seems like we could kill all the men of military age, and enslave the women and children.
That's not Islamic. Besides, the Banu Qurayza story is shaky and many scholars doubt it actually took place, as there is only one historical mention of it in a book written long after it would have taken place. I linked to it in a grandparent post.
'Aisha said, "The Prophet said during his fatal illness, "Allah cursed the Jews for they took the graves of their prophets as places for worship.
Yes, if you read the rest of that context, (it was a longer story) he was saying that the Jewish people strayed from monotheism in that regard, and also said that Christians had strayed as they began to worship their prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, and how the Muslims should avoid making those mistakes. He was not cursing them, he said that God removed His support for them (it's a criticism of Judaism, I hear similar remarks from Christianity). The story of his death is longer than you quoted.
But that's not true. As far as I can tell, Jesus never killed or enslaved anyone, and tried to restrain his followers from violence. Muhammad seems to have encouraged violence and barbarism. For example, when his minions brought a woman accused of adultery Muhammad said she should be stoned to death, whereas Jesus said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Christians and Muslims both believe that Jesus, peace be upon him, will return to kill the anti-Christ. The bible quotes him as saying "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" and told his followers to arm themselves. I'm not condemning him, but I don't think he was a pacifist, and when he comes back, we'll know for sure. Muhammad, peace be upon him, never encouraged violence. If you actually read Islamic history, he was persecuted and tortured for 14 years before the Quran gave permission to fight back. When they did fight back, he freed prisoners of war after they taught children to read. He declared women and children non-combatants and thus a sin to kill them. He said you couldn't destroy trees and crops in wartime.
As for stoning for adultery, (an Old Testament punishment also), you need 4 witnesses, leading some scholars to say the punishment only applies to people having sex in public. It's greusome, and Muslims shudder when they hear it, but it makes a great deterrant, which is why it is so very rarely used. According to Wikipedia:
Imran b. Husain reported that a woman from Juhaina came to Muhammad and she had become pregnant because of adultery. She said: I am pregnant as a result of Zina. Muhammad said: "Go back, and come to me after the birth of the child". After giving birth, the woman came back to Muhammad, saying: "please purify me now". Next, Muhammad said, "Go and suckle your child, and come after the period of suckling is over." She came after the period of weaning and brought a piece of bread with her. She fed the child the piece of bread and said, "Oh Allah's Apostle, the child has been weaned." At that Muhammad pronounced judgment about her and she was stoned to death.
Reported by many companions that Ma'iz went before Muhammad in the Mosque and said, "I have committed adultery, p
Please. The US has refused to follow Geneva conventions (Alberto Gonzales called them "quaint") and said they don't apply, they risk American lives, they hold us back, etc. The US tortures; ask the ex-prisoners, the former guards, and even the chaplain. The UK at least has the guts to call us on it in documentaries.
Some websites are not good sources. The KKK is one of them, as is the one you cited.
As for the Banu Qurayza, the Jewish tribe I'm assuming you're referring to, they broke the treaty with the Medinan people and literally tried to open the city gates to the enemy. According to the story, which is contested as to whether or not it actually happened (it was in an account written a century later), they surrendered with the agreement their case would go to arbitration. The judge, Sa'd bin Mu'adh was an ally of their tribe, and ruled that according to Torah law (not Islamic law), the penalty for treason was death.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not "rave about Jews right up to his deathbed." They tried to assassinate him more than once, despite his granting them rights and protections. He criticized them for certain of their practices that conflicted with Jewish and Islamic monotheism, but he never gave any orders to wipe them out or anything. In an Islamic state, the government gives money to build and maintain churches and synagogues, as they are also citizens.
Muslims think that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is as peaceful as Jesus, peace be upon him, which is why it upsets them so much when he is denigrated.
That may be the eavesdropping, but what the government about getting phone records of the numbers and times of every domestic call? Would that be the subject of this new law?
That 2% is the 2% of computers SOLD. People actually hang onto their Macs (I have a friend who still uses her Mac classic, how many people kept their 386's?) The actual market penetration was somewhere around 20% before the iMac became a bestseller. It has to be higher now.
According to those figures, Christians are discussed (and based upon the first pages of results, slammed) at a rate of 390% that of Muslims Look at it another way, Muslims are 5% of the population in America, but get the brunt of more than a third of the criticism against religion.
I am sure that Muslims do feel disgust over them. However, why aren't they speaking out against them (you being an exception). We are, and if you read muslim blogs, Arabic news (what about dubbed?), or even english ones, you'll see there's plenty. It's not our fault that we don't get headlines instead of Anna Nicole Smith, even though there were full-page ads in major newspapers signed by Muslim leaders condemning terrorism. Muslims held worldwide rallies against terrorism and condemned9/11. We still condemn it every time it happens like last week.
CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations, hosted a petition by Muslims, "Not in the Name of Islam". As of right now, it has over 691,000 signatures of American Muslims and mosques in North America. Even though Muslims have condemned terrorism for decades, Muslim leaders in America tried to get through to the media by publicly making a fatwa against terrorism, which finally got some mention in a few non-Muslim newspapers.
but there was nary a peep about the Madrid nor the London bombings. Were you ASLEEP? Ok, perhaps you don't watch international news or read Muslim newspapers or Muslim blogs or talk to any Muslims on a regular basis, but I still find it hard to believe you didn't even check google for this one. Muslims strongly condemn Madrid blasts. Muslim scholars, countries condemn London Bombings. Australian Muslims condemn terrorist attacks in London
Ayatollahs are Not caliphs, and are only followed by Shi'ites. The most popular Ayatollah is Ali Sistani, who lives in Iraq and disagrees with the Iranian government on their idea of an "Islamic" government. The issue of ayatollahs is basically a red herring, not part of the discussion on a caliph.
I wasn't trying to strawman you, I was sensing a bit of hostility against Islam, like it was getting the blame for the world's problems. If you weren't implying that, then I stand corrected. I don't think Islam has that much of a "hold" on people, the real world problems are caused by the dictatorships like the saudi monarchy, Mubarak of Egypt, Asad of Syria, etc. The radicalism would subside if they weren't so oppressed; compare Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Senegal to an oppressed one like Saudi Arabia.
So, Reagen gets all the credit for "saving" the hostages immediately after assuming office, but Clinton gets all the blame for 9/11 over 9 months after he's gone from office?
Glad to have you here, but your corrections fell short.
1) The government is being racist by banning material?... Since when is Islam a race? A fallacious argument that is often bandied about. Fine, it's not a race, it's a massively popular religion. Going after Muslims is not racist per se, but it can be described as bigoted. I have no problem getting rid of material that describes how to do terrorism, but you also have people on the Far Right both in the US and Australia who burn Qurans in public and lobby the government to ban the book. Of course, I'm opposed to that.
It continues to blow my mind that Christians are crucified on Slashdot, but Muslims are not even though the propaganda they're postulating is so very much more damaging than what comes from the Chistian camp. Dude, we Muslims get blasted and criticized on a regular basis, moreso than the Christians. Plus you have those "clash of civilizations" idiots now and then. If someone bashes Christianity on slashdot, someone will have a reply or rebuttal, but Muslim-bashing doesn't get much outcry. It bothers me, it's not like Christians get thousands of hate crimes against them a year in America.
4) Islam is bad. But Christianity is worse. [examples cited] Yes, each one of those is contemptible and Muslims feel disgust over them. There's no excuse for such terrible things. Don't, however, give me the line that Christianity never did that either. The US State department said that there's more terrorism in South America than in the Middle East. Christian televangelist Pat Robertson accused gays of deliberately giving HIV blood to poison the blood banks with AIDS. Should I blame Christianity for something that is clearly the fault of a lunatic?
Look, I've seen firsthand how religion helps people overall and hurts people when misused. Everything in our world from cars to Coumadin can do that; save lives if used correctly, or kill someone if an idiot gets ahold of it. Does that make them "bad?" Islam being "bad" is just a stereotype, and the same for Christianity and Judaism. What matters is how the majority of millions or billions practices, not the one mentally-disturbed person who makes the nightly news.
The US didn't say they were going to fight terrorism. They said they were going to go and get rid of Shintoism and baggage that it carried with it. Only after they had broken that were the Japanese ready to rise to the current power that they now enjoy. The same thing needs to happen in Islam. The followers need to realise that the sway that the evil has over them needs to end. Only than will it be a legitimate religion. I don't know where to begin. Islam does not NEED instructions from America, Muslims already condemn violence and are working against it. 9/11 was condemned by every country except Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. More than 50% of Muslims worldwide live in democracies and 89% of the Arab world says democracy is a good thing. There is no Muslim country that is ruled by a caliph, which is the Sunni equivalent of a Pope. If you think all Muslims are a bunch of unenlightened and uneducated people, think again. You sound like you're trying to press a colonialist or neocon idea, if you invade Muslim countries and get rid of Islam, everything will be better. Nope. Even if Islam vanished tomorrow, the people would still have the same problems of dictators and illiteracy. It's not so different from South America.
For #2, Nope, sorry, thanks for playing. As a Muslim, I never heard that. I don't know where you got that particular stereotype, but it's distorted from anything I've heard.
There is a story in the Quran about a group of people from the children of Israel who disobeyed God's command for not fishing on the sabbath, and God cursed them by turning them into apes and pigs. Clearly, that was a parable to teach us something, not that all Jewish people are or were apes and pigs. That conclusion makes no sense, and shame on you for trying to peddle a false stereotype about what Muslims actually think. In a similar vein to maybe make you understand, how offended would you feel if I suggested that every American was raised with anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, pro-torture stereotypes? Of course that's incorrect, so lets not spread falsehood here.
That's such a stereotype, and I doubt you ever actually read one of them cover to cover. For every violent verse in the Quran, there's at least another peaceful one that modifies the first.
Religion is like medication. It can help you and make your life so much better, but if misused it can kill you. Are you going to say that the stuff in a pharmacy is inherently evil?
Honestly, the mosque isn't the channel where this stuff propagates, despite the stereotype. It often comes from the internet, friends passing it on, biased bookstores or video shops. Muslims don't go selling that crap in front of mosques, everyone knows they're being spied upon by the government or will be kicked off the premises by the moderate Muslim leaders, whichever comes first.
I'd say that the majority of the religious message is peace, not hate. Ergo, the peaceful ones are the ones who follow their religion correctly (and not the violent ones as you suggest), and this is proven by scholarly writings from the Pope to Shaykh Al-Azhar. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf in America is a guy who prays 5x a day and says terrorism is a sin; Islam commands peace not war. I believe him, and he's not "overlooking" something in his religion.
If religion taught violence and hate, then you'd see violence daily by Christians in America, Muslims in Senegal, or Bangladesh, etc. The Millions of believers in each country don't, showing that they're following the religion more accurately and better than the 1% morons.
You're being disingenuous. OS X Jaguar and Panther and Leopard was a big upgrade from OS X 10.1 Puma, paid upgrades and not a service pack you get for free.
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Good point. Did you know that the #1 importer of oil to America is Canada?
I'm surprised the /. crowd doesn't get it. It's a full web browser, something other phones do not have, meaning you can use apps like Google Docs and Spreadsheets etc. It has hooks for dialing and email and the other phone features. The WWDC demo was spot-on, showing an app that a major corp could use for a smartphone, and not needing an SDK because the hooks are present in the browser.
The article seemed to be a what-if piece to me. What IF I need to make an app that takes things out of my address book, or What IF Java apps are slower than my native mail client? Can someone provide me with a concrete example of an app that won't be possible for an iPhone instead of giving me generalities?
The GeForce 3 DID first come to the Mac, although windows support came very quickly after. They made good on the promise.
EA announced at the WWDC that they will be porting games over to the Mac, and having simultaneous releases from here on.
Interesting rationale, but I figure that iTunes checks your sales records from the store and offers the upgrade that way. They aren't supposed to scan your library, and it sounds trivial to hack that way.
And if it could support life, then it could support...death! Death to anyone who dare disturbs the cave monster!
Ralph Nader had as a campaign promise that every airplane in America should have stronger cockpit doors. This was in 2000 at the latest.
Isn't this stuff in soy sauce too?
So switch to yahoo or ask.com then, it's not like there's a lack of search engines. Some of us purposely buy the "clean" albums from the store.
I could quote Jerry Falwell and Joseph Kony and some verses from the book of Leviticus and say that Christianity is a violent religion too. That site tries to bring up hadiths that scholars found to be shaky in their veracity and twists them. No real Muslim scholar would agree with much of those accusations, if the site tried to make their own fatwas they'd be debunked immediately because so much of it contradicts the Quran. Sorry, I could give you more accurate places than POD.
Judging them according to the Torah rather than the Quran is a nice touch though. I wonder how Muslims would react if we started to judge Muslim traitors like the London bombers according to the Quran. Seems like we could kill all the men of military age, and enslave the women and children.
That's not Islamic. Besides, the Banu Qurayza story is shaky and many scholars doubt it actually took place, as there is only one historical mention of it in a book written long after it would have taken place. I linked to it in a grandparent post.
'Aisha said, "The Prophet said during his fatal illness, "Allah cursed the Jews for they took the graves of their prophets as places for worship.
Yes, if you read the rest of that context, (it was a longer story) he was saying that the Jewish people strayed from monotheism in that regard, and also said that Christians had strayed as they began to worship their prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, and how the Muslims should avoid making those mistakes. He was not cursing them, he said that God removed His support for them (it's a criticism of Judaism, I hear similar remarks from Christianity). The story of his death is longer than you quoted.
But that's not true. As far as I can tell, Jesus never killed or enslaved anyone, and tried to restrain his followers from violence. Muhammad seems to have encouraged violence and barbarism. For example, when his minions brought a woman accused of adultery Muhammad said she should be stoned to death, whereas Jesus said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Christians and Muslims both believe that Jesus, peace be upon him, will return to kill the anti-Christ. The bible quotes him as saying "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" and told his followers to arm themselves. I'm not condemning him, but I don't think he was a pacifist, and when he comes back, we'll know for sure. Muhammad, peace be upon him, never encouraged violence. If you actually read Islamic history, he was persecuted and tortured for 14 years before the Quran gave permission to fight back. When they did fight back, he freed prisoners of war after they taught children to read. He declared women and children non-combatants and thus a sin to kill them. He said you couldn't destroy trees and crops in wartime.
As for stoning for adultery, (an Old Testament punishment also), you need 4 witnesses, leading some scholars to say the punishment only applies to people having sex in public. It's greusome, and Muslims shudder when they hear it, but it makes a great deterrant, which is why it is so very rarely used. According to Wikipedia:
Please. The US has refused to follow Geneva conventions (Alberto Gonzales called them "quaint") and said they don't apply, they risk American lives, they hold us back, etc. The US tortures; ask the ex-prisoners, the former guards, and even the chaplain. The UK at least has the guts to call us on it in documentaries.
Some websites are not good sources. The KKK is one of them, as is the one you cited.
As for the Banu Qurayza, the Jewish tribe I'm assuming you're referring to, they broke the treaty with the Medinan people and literally tried to open the city gates to the enemy. According to the story, which is contested as to whether or not it actually happened (it was in an account written a century later), they surrendered with the agreement their case would go to arbitration. The judge, Sa'd bin Mu'adh was an ally of their tribe, and ruled that according to Torah law (not Islamic law), the penalty for treason was death.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not "rave about Jews right up to his deathbed." They tried to assassinate him more than once, despite his granting them rights and protections. He criticized them for certain of their practices that conflicted with Jewish and Islamic monotheism, but he never gave any orders to wipe them out or anything. In an Islamic state, the government gives money to build and maintain churches and synagogues, as they are also citizens.
Muslims think that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is as peaceful as Jesus, peace be upon him, which is why it upsets them so much when he is denigrated.
That may be the eavesdropping, but what the government about getting phone records of the numbers and times of every domestic call? Would that be the subject of this new law?
That 2% is the 2% of computers SOLD. People actually hang onto their Macs (I have a friend who still uses her Mac classic, how many people kept their 386's?) The actual market penetration was somewhere around 20% before the iMac became a bestseller. It has to be higher now.
CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations, hosted a petition by Muslims, "Not in the Name of Islam". As of right now, it has over 691,000 signatures of American Muslims and mosques in North America. Even though Muslims have condemned terrorism for decades, Muslim leaders in America tried to get through to the media by publicly making a fatwa against terrorism, which finally got some mention in a few non-Muslim newspapers. but there was nary a peep about the Madrid nor the London bombings. Were you ASLEEP? Ok, perhaps you don't watch international news or read Muslim newspapers or Muslim blogs or talk to any Muslims on a regular basis, but I still find it hard to believe you didn't even check google for this one. Muslims strongly condemn Madrid blasts. Muslim scholars, countries condemn London Bombings. Australian Muslims condemn terrorist attacks in London
Ayatollahs are Not caliphs, and are only followed by Shi'ites. The most popular Ayatollah is Ali Sistani, who lives in Iraq and disagrees with the Iranian government on their idea of an "Islamic" government. The issue of ayatollahs is basically a red herring, not part of the discussion on a caliph.
I wasn't trying to strawman you, I was sensing a bit of hostility against Islam, like it was getting the blame for the world's problems. If you weren't implying that, then I stand corrected. I don't think Islam has that much of a "hold" on people, the real world problems are caused by the dictatorships like the saudi monarchy, Mubarak of Egypt, Asad of Syria, etc. The radicalism would subside if they weren't so oppressed; compare Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Senegal to an oppressed one like Saudi Arabia.
And do you have proof of the mac's slowness?
So, Reagen gets all the credit for "saving" the hostages immediately after assuming office, but Clinton gets all the blame for 9/11 over 9 months after he's gone from office?
Look, I've seen firsthand how religion helps people overall and hurts people when misused. Everything in our world from cars to Coumadin can do that; save lives if used correctly, or kill someone if an idiot gets ahold of it. Does that make them "bad?" Islam being "bad" is just a stereotype, and the same for Christianity and Judaism. What matters is how the majority of millions or billions practices, not the one mentally-disturbed person who makes the nightly news. The US didn't say they were going to fight terrorism. They said they were going to go and get rid of Shintoism and baggage that it carried with it. Only after they had broken that were the Japanese ready to rise to the current power that they now enjoy. The same thing needs to happen in Islam. The followers need to realise that the sway that the evil has over them needs to end. Only than will it be a legitimate religion. I don't know where to begin. Islam does not NEED instructions from America, Muslims already condemn violence and are working against it. 9/11 was condemned by every country except Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. More than 50% of Muslims worldwide live in democracies and 89% of the Arab world says democracy is a good thing. There is no Muslim country that is ruled by a caliph, which is the Sunni equivalent of a Pope. If you think all Muslims are a bunch of unenlightened and uneducated people, think again. You sound like you're trying to press a colonialist or neocon idea, if you invade Muslim countries and get rid of Islam, everything will be better. Nope. Even if Islam vanished tomorrow, the people would still have the same problems of dictators and illiteracy. It's not so different from South America.
For #2, Nope, sorry, thanks for playing. As a Muslim, I never heard that. I don't know where you got that particular stereotype, but it's distorted from anything I've heard.
There is a story in the Quran about a group of people from the children of Israel who disobeyed God's command for not fishing on the sabbath, and God cursed them by turning them into apes and pigs. Clearly, that was a parable to teach us something, not that all Jewish people are or were apes and pigs. That conclusion makes no sense, and shame on you for trying to peddle a false stereotype about what Muslims actually think. In a similar vein to maybe make you understand, how offended would you feel if I suggested that every American was raised with anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, pro-torture stereotypes? Of course that's incorrect, so lets not spread falsehood here.
That's such a stereotype, and I doubt you ever actually read one of them cover to cover. For every violent verse in the Quran, there's at least another peaceful one that modifies the first.
Religion is like medication. It can help you and make your life so much better, but if misused it can kill you. Are you going to say that the stuff in a pharmacy is inherently evil?
Not outside MY mosque, let me tell you that much.
Honestly, the mosque isn't the channel where this stuff propagates, despite the stereotype. It often comes from the internet, friends passing it on, biased bookstores or video shops. Muslims don't go selling that crap in front of mosques, everyone knows they're being spied upon by the government or will be kicked off the premises by the moderate Muslim leaders, whichever comes first.
I'd say that the majority of the religious message is peace, not hate. Ergo, the peaceful ones are the ones who follow their religion correctly (and not the violent ones as you suggest), and this is proven by scholarly writings from the Pope to Shaykh Al-Azhar. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf in America is a guy who prays 5x a day and says terrorism is a sin; Islam commands peace not war. I believe him, and he's not "overlooking" something in his religion.
If religion taught violence and hate, then you'd see violence daily by Christians in America, Muslims in Senegal, or Bangladesh, etc. The Millions of believers in each country don't, showing that they're following the religion more accurately and better than the 1% morons.
It's a problem for schools and universities though, since it won't be ready in time for the new school year.
You're being disingenuous. OS X Jaguar and Panther and Leopard was a big upgrade from OS X 10.1 Puma, paid upgrades and not a service pack you get for free.
Not on your life, my Hindu friend!