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Google Bans Ads For Essay-Writing Services

llamapalooza writes "Google announced that it will ban essay writing firms from advertising on their site. (The prevalence of cheating on campuses has been discussed here before.) While universities have welcomed the move, the affected firms are claiming it will 'punish legitimate businesses.' Google has specifically banned 'academic paper-writing services and the sale of pre-written essays, theses, and dissertations,' which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution."

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  1. Prostitution? by poopdeville · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Prostitution is banned? I'm sure I've seen ads for the Colbert Report.

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    1. Re:Prostitution? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Prostitution is banned?

      Where I live it is perfectly legal to advertise prostitution. I can see that google will take the attitude that it is illegal most places so it is safer for them to ban it. But there is a line to be drawn here. Essay writing services seem to be mainly an academic issue. Lots of people would never have heard about it. Perhaps they should ban advertising for game hacks.

    2. Re:Prostitution? by dwarfsoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To me it seems a little pointless to be banning advertising Essay writing services, especially when the google search is for "Essay writing services". Even without the paid ads, the search engine should still provide a list of businesses. Surely they are only taking a moral stance of not profiting from this kind of service rather than really inhibiting people.

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    3. Re:Prostitution? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they should ban advertising for game hacks. Yeah, that's extremely annoying. I hate seeing ads in google from the same jerks who are relentlessly spamming me in the game.
    4. Re:Prostitution? by yahooadam · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      i thought having one of these services used was against exam board rules any ?

      i know where i go to school they put your essay into a computer and that scans it and determines a plagiarism %

      if the % is too high, your paper will be checked out

      Aren't these services going to be violating the same rules ? therefore, the company's shouldn't really exist because anyone who uses them will probably get disqualified from their grade anyway ....
      So Google banning them isn't the end of the world because the company's shouldn't exist because you should be able to use them

    5. Re:Prostitution? by h2_plus_O · · Score: 1

      Where I live it is perfectly legal to advertise prostitution.
      Where I live it is not, but that doesn't stop it happening- it just means it goes under some handy euphemism, such as 'escort services' or 'massage with release' or 'happy ending' or what have you.
      That's the result we can expect when we attempt to prohibit the sale of something for which there is demand- the sale usually doesn't get thwarted, the process merely becomes obfuscated.
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    6. Re:Prostitution? by Old+Benjamin · · Score: 1

      My question is, how long until Google gets sued as an accomplice to a crime? I'm sure I could google how to commit a perfect murder... so are they helping me commit that crime if I did?

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    7. Re:Prostitution? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      goes under some handy euphemism

      And euphemisms are a problem for google. You could write a web page about a service escorting children to school for safety and google ads for escort services appear on the page.

    8. Re:Prostitution? by moldor · · Score: 1

      Where I live it is perfectly legal to advertise prostitution.
      Where I live it is not, but that doesn't stop it happening- it just means it goes under some handy euphemism, such as 'escort services' or 'massage with release' or 'happy ending' or what have you.

      My favorite was one from the Sydney Morning Herald - "Full body-to-body massage - No Sex"
  2. Banned list? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution."

    Depends on the drug

    Anyway, who really cares who Google accepts for advertising - its what they index that really matters.

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    1. Re:Banned list? by mrmeval · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. If I want it I should be able to search for it.

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    2. Re:Banned list? by spyder-implee · · Score: 0

      Ok so this is an extreme over-simplification... What is the difference between not advertising certain pages and not letting Chinese search up certain pages?

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    3. Re:Banned list? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the difference between not advertising certain pages and not letting Chinese search up certain pages?

      Not comparable. One still allows you to find something, the other does not.

      Google should never have gone into China, it makes do-no-evil-initiatives like this (where they refuse to accept money from certain companies considered by many to be unethical) look stupid.

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    4. Re:Banned list? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
      Agreed. If I want it I should be able to search for it.

      You can still search, and find whatever you want. What they're doing is not seving ads for these products when you search for a related term.

    5. Re:Banned list? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main difference is that most people would enjoy seeing all ads censored and no pages unindexed.

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    6. Re:Banned list? by Smight · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Is that "do no evil" or "Do KNOW EVIL!"? did anyone get this in writing or has this whole slogan thing been word of mouth?

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    7. Re:Banned list? by Brianech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't the same though. Ads are censored everywhere else, why should google not have the option? So you think google should serve tobacco ads that may encourage youth to smoke? There is a reason some ads are banned from tv/radio/public billboards. Like everyone is saying. They aren't censoring the web, they are merely selecting who they wish to allow to advertise with them, which is their right. This isn't about free speech or anything like that.

    8. Re:Banned list? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The main difference is that most people would enjoy seeing all ads censored and no pages unindexed.

      Actually, I think a lot of people wish those robbotically-created pages that pollute the results pages weren't indexed. Crap like all the dozens of clones of Wikipedia with added advertisements; pseudo-search pages that have no actual information, not to mention those full of popups and exploits. Sometimes it takes a dozen tries before I work out a search that actually finds the thing I want, and not a viagra or porn page with the search terms salted through it.

    9. Re:Banned list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      GP post stated exactly that.

    10. Re:Banned list? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well the problem is google has the motto "Dont be Evil" where evil is sometimes a relative term. tobacco, illegal drugs, weapons, and prostitution, and now cheating. So google is under a lot of stress to be profitable but yet try to do the right thing. But to the most part I think this is news because it shows that some people are starting to fight online cheating. which is more prevalent then we would like to think, it also causes major problems.

      It further devalues recent student for employment, not only they don't have work experience they can't fully trust what they learned in their education is what they actually know.

      Most higher education systems are working on making them selves more selective and get the better students so if there is a large group of people who cheat and get 3.75 on their GPA then the school will be more apt to not allow 3.0 students because they can get a buch of 3.75 students. without cheating the will see that their average gpa may be around 3.0 so they may have a wider varance in what they consider desirable students.

      Students who cheat will probably spend more time partying and distracting the students who are working for an honest grade.

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    11. Re:Banned list? by ChronoFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with your position, and that of Google's right to refuse advertising dollars, there is one little sticky point:

      Googles intermingle top placement ads with the top search results. While they are subtly different, top placement ads often times look like search results.

      But on the flip side. Who says Google must index the entire Internet? Who says they must display search results? Who says they can't filter? Sure Google is the de-facto search engine, but it's not a public utility.

      -CF

    12. Re:Banned list? by user24 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My first response to the headline was "thank god" - I post copies of my essays online, and I hate having cheat sites advertised next to my hard-written essays. Not only is (was) it insulting to students who work for their degrees, but it also cheapened my site by aligning it with those types of services.

    13. Re:Banned list? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      Well the problem is google has the motto "Dont be Evil" where evil is sometimes a relative term. tobacco, illegal drugs, weapons, and prostitution, and now cheating.

      Google outlaws adverts for prostitution?

      Does that include adverts for politicians?

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    14. Re:Banned list? by klenwell · · Score: 1

      tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution

      Don't forget to add domain names with the word google in them (e.g. http://lastgoogle.blogspot.com/), as I learned much to my chagrin.

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    15. Re:Banned list? by LastStandingFootman · · Score: 1

      Remember some days ago,(another discussion here in slashdot), googles auction holders banned the anti-censorship move they were going about, only because that would mean going out of business in China.

      So, i think its just pretty light not to accept ads, when they are trying to comply with Chinas demands on browsing.

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    16. Re:Banned list? by lgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's odd: I don't consider tobacco, drugs, weapons, prostitution, or cheating to be "evil" (the latter is pathetic, perhaps), which forces me to think of Google as "evil" for imposing their morality through their service. Just another church that's sure what's good for me.

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    17. Re:Banned list? by chainLynx · · Score: 1

      Sounds like most people would enjoy this firefox extension: http://www.customizegoogle.com/

    18. Re:Banned list? by twistedcubic · · Score: 1


      Not only is (was) it insulting to students who work for their degrees...

      Oh c'mon, when did writing an essay in an English class get anyone anything of value? Most people who write essays for a living don't write very well anyway, so I don't think it matters very much. The people who do things that matter aren't taking those English classes.

    19. Re:Banned list? by bob_herrick · · Score: 1
      Looks to me like you still don't need to search: The google ads served up for this page in the verion I was just looking at:

      Custom Essays $7.75/page
      with assurance of high quality academic papers and essays
      www.1stessays.com


      Custom Essay Writing
      Professionally written essays and term papers delivered on time
      CustomEssayWriting.com
    20. Re:Banned list? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Googles intermingle top placement ads with the top search results. While they are subtly different, top placement ads often times look like search results.

      I don't think I've ever seen anyone be confused about this (and yes, I do know what I'm talking about -- my company sometimes does web usability testing, and ease of finding a site is one of the things we test). It's pretty clear what's an advert and what isn't on google's results page.

    21. Re:Banned list? by ShinmaWa · · Score: 1

      This isn't about free speech or anything like that

      This is very much about freedom of speech -- Google's freedom of speech. Specifically, Google's right to advertise and to index what they want (within legality) and not advertise or index what they don't want.

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    22. Re:Banned list? by navyjeff · · Score: 1

      which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution."

      Depends on the drug

      Anyway, who really cares who Google accepts for advertising - its what they index that really matters.

      It also depends on the weapon. And the kind of prostitution.

    23. Re:Banned list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It matters because parasites and crooks get to higher places/positions just like that.

      Just like working for a company and being a hard working programmer/graphic designer, whatever, and then having someone else who doesn't know squat about the field but goes out and outsources their tasks (I've seen that happen with a graphics designer, wasn't my company and I'm not a designer) and then get all the credit for it.

      Sure, maybe they're better at managing or outsourcing, but for a talented hard working programmer, graphic designer or student in this case it is infuriating.

    24. Re:Banned list? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Don't advertise with Google or set that page up so it's not indexed by Google and/or no ads appear.

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    25. Re:Banned list? by ChronoFish · · Score: 1

      Do a search on "software", remove the barely visible light-pink background from the first two results and there is virtually no difference between them and those on the actual "search results". The ads on the right are pretty obvious. The top two are much less so. Given that most people spend split seconds determining if a result is what they are looking for or not - the pink is easy to miss - especially for those less savvy - or those who have the contrast on their monitor set low.

      And for what it's worth I currently work for a PPC optimization marketing firm.

      -CF

  3. Distinction by gowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'punish legitimate businesses.'
    Legitimate is not the same as legal. Besides, google can take advertising (or not) from whoever they like.
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    1. Re:Distinction by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Legitimate is not the same as legal.

      *sigh* Would that mean you can be in compliance with the law and not be legal? Or can you be legal and not be in compliance with the law? Is legal lawful? Is lawful legal? If I am incorrect, please tell me. This is so confusing. Maybe I should use this reference instead?

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    2. Re:Distinction by starwed · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting *sigh* you have there. It managed to convince me that ligitimate is not, in fact, the same as legal, since the second definition linked to is "in accordance with established rules, principles, or standards."

      I'm a bit uncertain of your intention, but thanks anyway. :)

    3. Re:Distinction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you keep going around the Internet quoting the dictionary at people, maybe someday someone will teach you how to use one. For starters, in a real dictionary the definitions are usually in order of development through time (roughly), from oldest to most recent, so definition number 1 is often of the least practical importance.

      Bottom line, though -- legitimate does not mean legal. Not even close.

    4. Re:Distinction by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      My only intention was to correct an apparent error in the use of the word. This was the second time over a very short period. Now what I don't understand is that I used a standard definition that appears to be valid in all the dictionaries available to me, and people are actually denying it. Why? I posted only one of them, the second being more of a "mini ha-ha" to have some fun. Now you point out the second definition there. Is it somehow in conflict with the first? Does it negate it? Or is it merely complimentary? To me it simply marks the various available uses of the word. legitimate child; legitimate business, etc. What is there that tells you that legitimate cannot be the same as legal? You didn't point that out to me. I never said it has to be, but how did the link convince you otherwise? I merely said that by one definition, something which we base meaning so as to make the language understandable by those who speak it, it is the same. I have seen nothing to the effect to where it can't be. Is there a real expert out there to correct this possible misunderstanding of the language? I didn't expect this to be dragged out to some big long debate, but your post really piques my curiosity now. Especially since I got two replies stating almost the same thing, and neither showing the reason why. What's up with that? Small brain crave info.

      This is turning into an essay (que onda ese) on the use and meaing of the word "legitimate". I hope I get a good grade. I wrote it myself. I guess while I'm here, I may as well post this, just to rub it in :-)

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    5. Re:Distinction by gowen · · Score: 1
      Nice selective reading there. How about:

      in accordance with recognized or accepted standards or principles; "legitimate advertising practices"
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    6. Re:Distinction by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Already answered. See above.

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  4. Good riddance... by Remi0o · · Score: 0

    They should also ban gimmicky ads like for web templates, ring tones, and single page sells.

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  5. would they stop there? by ekran · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't know how big this problem is, but I feel that once you set down the path of banning things that "we don't like" then that list could grow long. How about companys that sell documents that look like university diplomas? To me it seems that they both would fall into the same category.

    1. Re:would they stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, so you don't have a problem with fake university degrees?

    2. Re:would they stop there? by Brianech · · Score: 1

      Exactly! I hated people that would pay some one online to write their code, while I busted my ass doing the assignment myself, reading documentation and learning. The problem with papers/code is that the final exams often consist of THEORY (atleast in computer science/software engineering because hand writing code isn't that easy to do on a test without API's that you normally have on hand), meaning that all the people who cheated on assignments/papers could still do well on tests. If they were censoring their indexing thats one thing, but not allowing an immoral company to advertise with them is fine by me. If a site feels that they are losing click revenue because of the lack of certain ads, they can switch, there are many other companies to choose from.

  6. Not keen on this by m0nkyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, I like my dictionaries to have the word 'fuck' in them, my phone books to list escort agencies, and my search engines to not set moral standards.

    I'm aware that this is only on the paid-for part of the business. I still don't like it. If it's legal, they should allow it. It calls into question whether they're putting their morality into the rest of their business.

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    1. Re:Not keen on this by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's legal, they should allow it.

      In what jurisdiction?

      Prosititution is illegal in many parts of the land of the (hah!) free. Alchohol is illegal in some Middle Eastern countries. Drugs have different laws almost everywhere. Codeine is illegal in Greece (IIRC), Marijuana semi-legal in some countries, etc etc.

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    2. Re:Not keen on this by m0nkyman · · Score: 1

      What Jurisdiction?

      1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
      Mountain View, CA 94043

      That'd be their corporate HQ. Next question?

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    3. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the morality of it that's the problem. The only people that those ads are targeted towards are people who would buy them, or rather people that need to write a paper but are unable to. Since I highly doubt those companies do original research, this limits the target audience to college students. In every college that my limited research found, submitting work that is not your own is a violation of the student code of conduct, punishable by a variety of actions from academic probation to expulsion.

    4. Re:Not keen on this by nitroamos · · Score: 1

      they probably don't see it as a question of morality.

      i would guess they see this as an issue of maintaining their ability to hire quality employees. cheating makes it harder to identify the smart ones.

      i was reading somewhere recently, i can't remember where, this is an issue that a lot of US companies are facing. Americans entering the employment pool are lower quality on average. the troubles in the US education system are masked by the fact that we are currently able to cherry pick talent from the rest of the world. we won't always have this luxury.

      google is a business. i think they're just looking out for their future profitability, albeit in a small, but easy, manipulation.

    5. Re:Not keen on this by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter where their headquarters is. They still have to comply with local law.
      Besides that, there is no right to advertise. If Google wants to reject certain businesses they have the right to.

    6. Re:Not keen on this by koreth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It calls into question whether they're putting their morality into the rest of their business.

      This is a company whose motto is "Don't be evil." If you are just now questioning whether or not they're putting their morality into their business, you have not been paying any attention at all.

      Whether you agree with their morality or not, or agree that the particular decisions they've made are consistent with their openly stated (hell, vigorously publicized) moral code, are other questions entirely. But they have been very clear from day one that morality plays a central role in their business decisions.

      Personally I think "Don't promote businesses which serve no purpose other than helping students cheat on their schoolwork" is entirely consistent with "Don't be evil."

    7. Re:Not keen on this by TheJasper · · Score: 1
      If they were putting morality in, then maybe you would have a point. I am fairly convinced they are motivated purely by capitalistic principles. Not advertising prostitution and drugs etc. is good for their image. Sure they may miss some income from one source, but hom much more do they gain from the rest.

      Even if it was morally motivated, I still don't have a problem with it. Drugs should be better controlled, not because you shouldn't use them but because you should go to a real doctor and a real pharmacy. Prostitution I have nothing against, however neither do I think it should be thrown in our faces the whole time (ok, I'm not a big fan of ads at all).

      The essay writing thing is the least dubious of all. Those businesses can complain that they are 'legit' but only a deaf, dumb, retarded neanderthal would fail to understand that these businesses exist only so people can plagiarize off of them. Just because they 'warn' students not to use the essays that way doesn't mean anyone believes they won't. It's like giving a book of matches to a pyromaniac and telling him not to play with fire.

    8. Re:Not keen on this by rumith · · Score: 1

      I don't want to sound offensive, but when Google makes a decision in favor of business, everybody says "So you're evil after all; no love for Google!", and now that they've done something in favor of morality, people start ranting about that, too? I guess one cannot please all geeks simultaneously.

    9. Re:Not keen on this by franksands · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please, pay attention: they are not blocking search results. They are blocking ads that consist of "essay writing".

    10. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tough sh1t, you don't own google.

    11. Re:Not keen on this by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily - it would only be if they were doing business in that jurisdiction. Simply serving a web page does not normally carry that phrase.

      IF they are accepting adverts then they would need to ensure it is legal for them to do so based upon where the person offering the ads was based*, however could advertise e.g. alcohol in a prohibited country.

      *at least in the EU you are considered to be a party to the contract set in the EU and therefore under its jurisdiction by default.....

    12. Re:Not keen on this by gatzke · · Score: 1


      What a slippery slope.

      No prostitution, but what about "legit" escort services and massage parlors?

      Maybe "singles only" or "informal hookup" sites?

      No term papers, what about Cliff's notes? Homework help?

      "Guns are bad" so no more ads or links to gun sites?

      Smoking is bad for you and those around you, why not ban smoking sites and ads?

      SUVs use gas, gas makes CO2, CO2 is killing us, so no more car ads.

      Hamburgers come from cows, cow ranching causes deforestation, no more meat related anything in the search engine?

      Walmart and Microsoft are "anti-competitive" or "too capitalistic" so they should be out.

      Universities and colleges are elite since only the rich can easily attend, no more ads or links to them? Education is dangerous.

      This is silly, I want my search engine to deliver everything (and advertise everything), including the bad stuff.

    13. Re:Not keen on this by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Very simple. Write your own.

    14. Re:Not keen on this by maxume · · Score: 1

      Your remedy is to simply use a different advertis^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hsearch company.

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    15. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to that sign, "We reserve the right to refuse to do business with anyone."? You used to see it in stores all over the place. There's things I'd never advertise on my website too, no matter how much money they offered.

      Google is just concerned about their professional image, same as any business.

      Dictionaries are different - I have as one of my most treasured possessions a vintage Webster Collegiate unabridged which lists not only 'fuck', but every can't-say-it-on-TV word you can think of. That's a reference. Phone books and Google ads are advertising.

    16. Re:Not keen on this by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      I'm aware that this is only on the paid-for part of the business. I still don't like it. If it's legal, they should allow it. It calls into question whether they're putting their morality into the rest of their business.

      Their motto is "Don't be evil". Of course they're putting their morality into the rest of their business.

      To my mind, that's been pretty good so far. This is one example that I like; there is no point to academic essay-writing services except to benefit individual students with money while harming both their peers and the educational institutions involved.

      Another great example is spammers. They hate spammers. I hate spammers. Spamers impose enormous costs on other people for generally modest profit on their part. But spam is still pretty much legal in the US because legislators are tech-clueless where they aren't just greedy for contributions.

      Maybe one day I'll part ways with them, but so far I like their approach a lot more than I like Yahoo's, "Sure we'll help send Chinese dissidents to jail for decades for expressing themeselves."

      The relentless pursuit of profit without regard for other factors is also putting your morality into your business. It's just a particularly sad and stunted morality.

    17. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should ebay that fucker.

    18. Re:Not keen on this by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 1

      In what jurisdiction?

      How about the jurisdiction that the local data center is serving pages to?

      I mean come on, these guy's want to index the worlds information but they can't manage a subject to local rules table?

    19. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's legal, they should allow it

      I agree......Prostitution should be legal!

    20. Re:Not keen on this by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      " tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution"

      Sounds like the perfect convenience store.

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    21. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what jurisdiction?

      China, obviously.

      The only "fair" (ha) thing to do is use the same rule everywhere, and that means using the most restrictive laws for everybody.

    22. Re:Not keen on this by Maitri · · Score: 1

      Actually - I don't think they have the right to just reject certain types of businesses. It is called discrimination. What if they were basing who they rejected on something like the personal characteristics of the owner of the company - for example what if they decide they won't work with people who are homosexual, Jewish, Muslim, or have their hair dyed or have body piercings? I don't agree with them, but some people think that being homosexual is immoral... How is imposing you own personal opinions about that any different than those against essay writing companies? There is a huge difference between what is legal and what is moral. Upholding laws is one thing, discriminating based on your own opinions is another. It would be interesting to see what happened if the essay writing companies tried suing Google for discrimination over this.

    23. Re:Not keen on this by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      So switch to yahoo or ask.com then, it's not like there's a lack of search engines. Some of us purposely buy the "clean" albums from the store.

    24. Re:Not keen on this by Raenex · · Score: 1

      YOU pay attention. Your parent said: "I'm aware that this is only on the paid-for part of the business. I still don't like it."

    25. Re:Not keen on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is unfair. google is taking advantage!

      http://www.essaytown.com/

  7. This comment would be funnier... by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 4, Funny

    if I could have found those services.

    1. Re:This comment would be funnier... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always google them ...

    2. Re:This comment would be funnier... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > if I could have found those services.

      For fifty bucks, I'll find them and resubmit your comment under your name.

  8. Bender Says. . . by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'll create my own search engine, with blackjack and hookers" and essay writers.

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    1. Re:Bender Says. . . by laejoh · · Score: 0

      Include a beer fountain and your search engine will feel like Fsm-heaven!

    2. Re:Bender Says. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... actually, forget the blackjack and the essay writers.

    3. Re:Bender Says. . . by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

      In fact forget the essay writes!

    4. Re:Bender Says. . . by zdude255 · · Score: 1

      Eh, screw the whole thing.

  9. dickens was paid by the word by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution.

    Essay writing is just a simpler form of prostitution. You know the old saying "Prose before Hos".

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    1. Re:dickens was paid by the word by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      What are you paying to get your assignmetns done?

  10. Legitimate Businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These are legitimate businesses, but that does not mean that Google has to display their ads.

    Google can choose to display or not to display any ads they want. The supreme court has found many times that the right to not speak is equally as important as freedom of speech.

  11. Thank God! by GregPK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I've never cheated. It's hard enough being an honest college student nowdays. Searching the web for research on topics and having that constant reminder pop up in your face. You can bypass 30 hours of research and writing with 20 bucks. Pisses me off to no end.

    I admire the business plan behind it even when they make my life hell with thier grade curve changing essays. They must make a fortune.

    1. Re:Thank God! by supercrisp · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am a college teacher. I've seen those essays. Students send me CDs of essay collections. From what I've seen, they are only going to change the "curve," if there is such thing in your class as a weighted grade distribution, to your benefit. Most of the essays I've seen would earn nothing better than a C in my classes because they are so awful. Maybe there are better products out there, but probably not for $20

    2. Re:Thank God! by vertinox · · Score: 1

      While I've never cheated. It's hard enough being an honest college student nowdays.

      I think the problem is the higher education has gone in the wrong direction. First of all since many people feel that it is required for employment it drives up the costs for those few who want to learn for the sake of learning or that college education has something useful in their said field.

      What pissed me off about college in the 90's is that it had nothing to do with the work force in the 2000's. Technology changed... Ideas changed... And I'm still not using anything useful from English 101.

      What higher education should focus on is actually training for specific field for hands on training or actually on the job training rather than writing hundreds of useless papers that won't have anything to do (or ones that you will even remember) about your job in 10 years.

      Unless of course you want to go into a field that actually requires you to write papers.

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    3. Re:Thank God! by Glothar · · Score: 1

      I had no problem at all.

      But then, I'm a product of public school. Instead of mommy and daddy paying for me to party and buy my homework off the Internet, I paid my own way, working 20-30 hours a week to pay the bills. I worked hard because I actually wanted to learn and improve myself. I wrote my own papers. I wrote my own code. I came up with my own ideas and studied for tests off the texts and my notes, not someone's collection of the professor's previous tests.

      I don't know you and you don't know me, but I am disgusted by the fact that you even find this tempting. Why are you even in college? The whole purpose of college is to do those 30 hours of research because it gives you experience and knowledge. The moment you look at something like that and say... "Hey, I could pay someone $20 and skip the 30 hours of research I'm actually here to do" you're really just one step away from: "Hey, I could pay someone $100 for a fake diploma and skip the 3 more years it will take me to finish my degree."

      This comes off rather goody-two-shoes of me, but I find this terribly annoying. You do this in college and it's called "cheating" and people joke about it and pass it off as being a grey area. Once you get a job, having someone else write a report or copying your code from the internet and passing it off as your own is illegal.

  12. 'Bout Time by Vornzog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who is less than 48 hours away from a completed thesis Ph.D. thesis and a little over a week away from my defense, there is only one thing I have to say about this.

    It's about damn time.

    I hate to see that these services even exist.

    I understand the cheating will always go on, at all levels of academics. The practice isn't against any laws, but it is nice to see Google not condoning something legal but flat out wrong.

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    1. Re:'Bout Time by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your graduate curriculum is like, but there's no way I would be able to get away with hiring someone else to do my thesis work. There is too much faculty oversight, the process takes too long, there are too many demands for new qualitative and quantitative research, etc.

      In my humble opinion, faculty must be offering fairly generic curriculum if their curriculum can be exploited by lame paper writing services.

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    2. Re:'Bout Time by martijnd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who is less than 48 hours away from a completed thesis Ph.D. thesis and a little over a week away from my defense, there is only one thing I have to say about this.

      First thing that struck my mind when reading this -- you did make sure to backup recently?

    3. Re:'Bout Time by dbolger · · Score: 1

      Speaking as an individual who in almost two days will have a Ph.D. thesis finished, and then seven days later will have to defend it, I have but one comment:

      Why didn't this happen before?

      It infuriates me that these products are offered at all.

      I accept that dishonesty is inevitable in every aspect of academia. This activity is not a breach of any legal code. However, it is pleasing to see that Google are not giving their approval to an activity which is legally sound but morally suspect.

    4. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about damn time.
      I hate to see that these services even exist.

      I couldn't disagree more. Sure, cheating is bad. But this will do absolutely nothing to stop it. Finding the services will be slightly harder, but motivated cheaters will still seek them out. Cheating happened long before Google and it will happen long after. Driving it underground just makes it harder to study and quantify it.

      Meanwhile, it shows the danger of a dominant entity policing morality. Apparently Google censors advertising not just on illegal material but what it finds morally objectionable. Who appointed Google the Net Nanny? Advertising is a form of communication, often a vital one for small groups reaching out to a larger audience (think nascent political organizations). Adwords is the 21st century equivalent of handing out flyers on street corners. Censoring [1] certain messages removes this valuable tool from their grasp. Today it's term paper services and prostitution, tomorrow it's peaceniks and black panthers [2].

      [1] And it is censorship - the act of censoring objectionable material - though not of the constitutionally-prohibited type since Google is a private entity. That makes it only slightly less worrying when the censor effectively controls an entire medium.

      [2] This isn't a slippery slope argument - I'm not claiming the first will lead to the second, but demonstrating the inherent danger of concentrating so much power in a single entity.

    5. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If someone else has written your PhD thesis, and that thesis is accepted, then the research has been done and your examiners consider that the scholarship of your discipline has been advanced. Who cares if it's done by A.N. Other or Profit-Making Research Inc? Unless you put your own reward/reputation above the advancement of the discipline, in which case you're not likely to be of much use to the field (though your implied ego will make you think quite the opposite).

      Of course, I don't think that any of these businesses yet offer PhD assistance services, making your PhD comment quite irrelevant. The services focus on undergraduates, where an undergraduate programme comprises but 3-5 years of dilly-dallying, giving a piece of paper that's mostly worthless bar a few top Universities.

      All that really matters from an academic point of view is whether you'll be able to contribute to your field - whether it was through an "honest" University education, copying all your Undergraduate essays from some stranger so people would take your later original work more seriously, or reading books in your basement.

    6. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who is less than 48 hours away from a completed thesis Ph.D. thesis and a little over a week away from my defense, there is only one thing I have to say about this. It's about damn time. I hate to see that these services even exist. I understand the cheating will always go on, at all levels of academics. The practice isn't against any laws, but it is nice to see Google not condoning something legal but flat out wrong.

      Hi!

      Stacy here from EssayMadeEas-e.com!
      Why...with skills like yours writing out of the jobplace must seem tedious huh?
    7. Re:'Bout Time by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your graduate curriculum is like, but there's no way I would be able to get away with hiring someone else to do my thesis work My graduate work is in chemistry, and my lab is extremely tight-knit. About half of my thesis was done in collaboration with another grad student, four post-docs, and two professors. If I tried to get away with anything, any one of them would call me on it.

      The second half of my thesis is totally original work. My primary advisor is the only one who even has a clue what it is I'm doing. But the material is way too esoteric for anyone else to write it up for me.

      Never the less - if you are going to claim that you earned the title of Ph.D., I want to know that you earned it. The thought that you could buy a Ph.D. thesis really bakes my noodle.

      And in response to the other posters in this thread - I back up at least daily. And no, I haven't forgotten the pain of pointless essays for classes that I didn't care about. But here's the trick. I only had to take a couple of those classes. I filled the rest of my undergraduate education with extra math, computer science, physics, etc.

      You get out of your education as much as you are willing to put into it. If you don't want to write your essay... Don't! But as soon as you start buying your grade, you undermine my education. You make it harder for me to get the grade I deserve for the work I did.

      It still isn't illegal for you to buy that essay. But it shouldn't surprise you when anyone who finds out that you did ends up despising you. And if you Uni's got an honor code? Sucks to be you.
      ______________

      Good Cheating Story. After the organic chemistry test, the prof doesn't hand back exams. Says he's caught two people cheating, and if they are willing to come forward, he'll fail them for the test, but not for the class, and it won't go to the honor board.

      10 people came forward.

      Whoops...
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      Who can decide a priori? Nobody.
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    8. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolwut

    9. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've sure got your panties in a bunch over something that a private business has chosen to do. Would you argue that Google should be forced to carry adverts for hit men, or drugs barons? How about prostitutes? Should the KKK be morally outraged if Google refused to carry an ad. for them?

      You don't have the slightest clue what censorship is. Go back to civics class.

    10. Re:'Bout Time by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      Never mind academia. Try it on the job sometime, you find out real quick who the bullshit artists are.

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    11. Re:'Bout Time by supercrisp · · Score: 1

      So where are we going to get new researchers? And do you really think you can buy dissertation-quality research online? It would be so great if posts here had to have an age affixed, at least until there's some way to more accurately quantify maturity vs. idiocy.

    12. Re:'Bout Time by dodobh · · Score: 1

      He did. Unhappily, what he wasn't told was that the backup device uses paper tape. In Morse.

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    13. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Researchers are those who are able to produce original work with a scientific basis. The number of essay-writing services is not going to change the number of undergraduates who can go on to research - someone who was inclined to cheat is not suddenly going to become a good researcher because he has been able to pay for many essays, nor is he somehow blocking the work of those who would produce good research.

      Consider 15th century arguments on use of the vernacular in producing mathematical papers. Just because any literate man could now pick up a copy of Record, it didn't mean he could produce his own magnum opus, let alone deny the opportunity to another more privileged with a classical education. Humanists of that time understood that it was not about where you came from - your class, your grades, the languages you spoke - but how you could benefit and contribute once you had the wonder of mathematics revealed to you.

      Grades at undergraduate level exist within academia primarily for the benefit of the student, so he can monitor his own progress. As to firms who take notice of the Class/GPA of a degree - who cares? People happen to use universities to improve their chances of getting a well-paid job, but it is neither their purpose nor need their effect on industry be of concern.

      As to the second point: if we cannot get dissertation-quality research online, there is no problem as far as false attribution goes; if we can, well, it's just good researchers doing it for a profit and not minding who gets the credit (like work-for-hire, really). As mentioned, it seems the former is true for now.

      Concerning age - is it relevant? Should we appeal to argument by authority, where age is a sign of authority?

    14. Re:'Bout Time by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 1

      First thing that struck my mind when reading this -- you did make sure to backup recently?

      He uploaded it to a essay writing service...

    15. Re:'Bout Time by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      He uploaded it to a essay writing service...

      I did that too! They actually pay you to host it. Weird. But I'm more surprised over the fact that there are suddenly a lot of people interested in my topic and are coming up with the same conclusions.

    16. Re:'Bout Time by zoftie · · Score: 1

      Moralizing on way people get about their life? I think its presumptuous on behalf of google to be judge of such things, and perhaps let not google but customer decide what is moral and what is not. It seems that internet is being "sanitized" to suit the average joe for profits and control of the customer base.
      Google isn't for liberty, they are for profit. It seems they go smart way about it, without being asinine.

      But then again, in the age when politicians are bought by a dozen, to defend and give unfair treatment to tobacco, alcohol, media and other questionably ethical conglomerates, perhaps google will have the power to wring world back to sanity?

      only time will tell.

    17. Re:'Bout Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who completed his Ph.D. thesis and defended two weeks ago, all I can say is: what field are you in that would actually be affected by this? My thesis was 200 pages of work on unique research that took me four years to complete. I highly doubt I could have purchased anything like that from a website.

      Seriously, I haven't taken a course where this would have been an issue since undergrad, and now that I've done grad school no one cares about what I did during undergrad. I'm glad Google is not allowing this, but you seem to be insinuating that it's a serious problem in graduate school. Can you give me an example, or are you just bragging that you'll be a Dr. soon? Congrats on that, but I don't see how it's relevant.

    18. Re:'Bout Time by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      First thing that struck my mind was "What field, and how much do you want for it?"

  13. Legitimate Businesses by phantomcircuit · · Score: 0, Redundant

    These are legitimate businesses, but that does not mean that Google has to display their ads.

    Google can choose to display or not to display any ads they want. The supreme court has found many times that the right to not speak is equally as important as freedom of speech.

  14. Look at it from a different POV by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1

    I'm seeing a lot of anti-censorship posts on here. I'm really inclined to believe that Google did this because the paper-writing ads were popping up all over the place. As a student, it's frustrating to have to find other sources for a paper (to use as referances) and not get any results back but these paper-buying sites. Hopefully, Google is going to push to get them removed from their search index, as well.

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    1. Re:Look at it from a different POV by m0nkyman · · Score: 1

      And that is something I'd 100% support, because it's not making a moral choice, it's improving their product...

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    2. Re:Look at it from a different POV by ChronosWS · · Score: 1

      Getting them removed from the index is NOT an appropriate solution. The purpose of Google Search (besides to sell ads) is to provide a suitable and complete index of the Web, which includes things some people would rather not have indexed. What you probably (hopefully) want is for them to figure out a way to not return paper-writing services in the result set when you are not looking for a paper-writing service. This is a distinctly different problem than simply removing them from the index altogether.

    3. Re:Look at it from a different POV by MT628496 · · Score: 1

      Google Scholar?

    4. Re:Look at it from a different POV by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      The purpose of Google Search is to make money for Google. They will presumably do with their search engine whatever they think is most likely to achieve that goal, taking into account things like negative PR for "censorship" vs. negative PR for "being evil" by supporting unethical businesses and negative PR for returning results full of things most people don't want.

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    5. Re:Look at it from a different POV by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1

      ...Which is filled with things like JSTOR (I think that's how it's spelled), where you have to either already have a subscription with them or pay a fee.

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  15. The Difference by Nymz · · Score: 1

    Ok so this is an extreme over-simplification... What is the difference between not advertising certain pages and not letting Chinese search up certain pages?
    The difference is you are free to choose another search engine, other than the family-friendly Google. Where as the people living under the CCP have no such freedom to information, and no choice.
    1. Re:The Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where as the people living under the CCP have no such freedom to information

      As opposed to people living under the GOP having no mass media coverage of their country's war crimes.
    2. Re:The Difference by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Well, if a TV anchor dedicated his program to images like this, he would be promptly fired due to viewers boycotting the channel and advertisers pulling their business from the "unpatriotic" company. If we want to be exposed to unpopular views on war in mass media, perhaps we shouldn't fire decent radio DJs who occasionally quote rap music with unpopular racial stereotypes.

  16. Just advertise the degree outright! by Stochastism · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who bothers to sell essays and dissertations when half the spam I get offers me a PhD outright for $200!

    Has anyone tried to get ad sense to offer them a degree?

    1. Re:Just advertise the degree outright! by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Why bother when my inbox is full of offers?

    2. Re:Just advertise the degree outright! by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Who bothers to sell essays and dissertations when half the spam I get offers me a PhD outright for $200!"

      Phd, pffft - I have the Nigerian finance minister transfering $34M dollars into my account as we speak!

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  17. Little evils versus Big Evils by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution. What the hell? Tobacco isn't illegal, and not only is prostitution legal in Rhode Island (set your user-agent to googlebot and npr will show you the written transcript) as well as parts of Nevada, Canada, most of Europe and parts of Asia.

    Hell, even if you think prostitution goes hand in hand with sex-slavery, the problems of sweat-shop manufacturing slavery in and outside of the US are at least 10x worse and I don't see google banning ads for outsourced manufacturing.

    I would expect that if there was one company that understood ultimate importance of free flow of information it would be google. Seems like they've become lost in the forest because they can't get past the trees - tobacco, et al are small evils, censorship is a big Evil.
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    1. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by qparadox · · Score: 1

      Advertising for Tobacco is banned or regulated in many jurisdictions, including canada: http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/le gislation/canadian_law/federal/tobacco_act/tobacco _act.cfm Google has not banned searching for these terms, they've only decided that they will not support these services advertising on their site, as is completely their right to choose to do! For all of you whining about Google making moral choices, the question of providing documents allowing people to cheat isn't one of morals; its a question of ethics. The question is: "is it immoral for Google to actively support services attempting to help students cheat in exchange for money?". Its beyond my capacity to think up an ethical framework that wouldn't answer that question as firmly YES. This isn't a matter of free speech, this is a matter of companies who are facilitating and providing unethical services. Google has, and should, ensure it is not actively supporting these companies in their facilitation.

    2. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firstly, tobacco may not be illegal but its advertisement is heavily restricted in many parts of the world so Google's refusal to display ads for it is definitely not entirely of their own choosing. I don't know the fact on the other items and services, but the conditions are likely similar.

      Secondly, many posters have raised the point that cheating is not illegal and hence reason that related services ought not be restricted from advertising. Have these people considered that the number one reason why cheating isn't outlawed is because it would be so damned hard to define and enforce in a sane manner?

    3. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Just like a newspaper should be allowed to report on narcotics yet ban advertisements for narcotics, so should Google be allowed to provide those links in the search results yet ban advertisements for it.

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    4. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The question is: "is it immoral for Google to actively support services attempting to help students cheat in exchange for money?". Its beyond my capacity to think up an ethical framework that wouldn't answer that question as firmly YES. Then your capacity is mighty small. The reason Google should not be policing term paper cheaters is the same reason they should not (and are not) involved in policing any of the thousands of other ethicly dubious activities -- It's not their job.

      Making Google the police of the internet has so many drawbacks it is hard to know where to start, but here are two big ones - wasted resources that would have gone to doing a better job of providing actual service and questionable decisions about where to "draw the line" as one man's morality is another man's evil.
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    5. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      And, your capacity appears self-centered. Supporting unethical activities is unethical in itself. Ethics is the job of every adult, so yes, Virginia, it is their job.

      As pointed out elsewhere, it is their company and they and only they have the right to decide where to put their research and effort. You are not the one to dictate if their resources are wasted, they are. It's amusing that the foremost search engine in the world is criticized for not "doing a better job". Under who's standards? Yours? Perhaps yours is the questionable decision about line drawing, since they are deciding for themselves and you are attempting to foist your opinion on them (albeit abstractly).

    6. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      And, your capacity appears self-centered. I really can't see what kind of twisted logic would bring you to that conclusion. Freedom of expression means nothing if it only applies to ideas that we like. Freedom of expression only means something when people are willing to accept expression they dislike because the principle is more important than any specific person's desires.

      Supporting unethical activities is unethical in itself. Ethics is the job of every adult, so yes, Virginia, it is their job. Bullshit. Only a self-centered moral absolutist would make that claim, and then they would be in for a rude awakening when someone else applied it to them. For example, pharmacists who refuse to dispense certain medicines because they believe their uses are unethical, are themselves being unethical. Or grocery stores who won't sell to muslims because they think Islam is a religion of terror. Or any number of other ethical beliefs that conflict with others' basic rights.

      As pointed out elsewhere, it is their company and they and only they have the right to decide where to put their research and effort. As pointed out elsewhere, THEY are the ones claiming to do no evil. I'm pointing out that as a company that relies solely on the free flow of information, they among all other companies, ought to understand that impeding that free flow is an evil greater than whatever they think they are preventing by censoring themselves.
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    7. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by julesh · · Score: 1

      What the hell? Tobacco isn't illegal, and not only is prostitution legal in Rhode Island (set your user-agent to googlebot and npr will show you the written transcript) as well as parts of Nevada, Canada, most of Europe and parts of Asia.

      Yet there are many jurisdictions (including mine) where carrying advertisements for either of them is illegal. They're activities that are often tolerated by society, but encouraging them is not considered good in most places.

    8. Re:Little evils versus Big Evils by adamruck · · Score: 1

      "..... Policing activities......"

      Not making advertising money from IS NOT THE SAME as policing.

      Google is an ADVERTISING COMPANY, they have every right to choose what advertisements they show.

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  18. Re:Google worse than Micro$oft by cliffski · · Score: 1

    google isnt the government, its a privte company, they can deal with who they want to. I'm not forced to sell my products or services to anyone I don't want to, neither are google.
    What annoys me is they dont give a damn about *where* they advertise. If I find a dubious website that resells copyrighted software I worked on without a licence, and is part funded by google adsense, they don't give a damn, they are happy to advertise on any site on the web, regardless what kind of site it is. Their terms of service state otherwise, but in practice, they get ignored.

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  19. What about teachers by JoopZonnet · · Score: 1

    And what about all those teachers that are smart enough to check Google to see if pupils/students did not cheat? We all know that students are far more smart in finding this type of content than teachers... wkr, JoopZonnet

    1. Re:What about teachers by GregPK · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats the thing, it's so easy to pay someone else to do the writing. You can even upload your own writings and get paid for them. I think the smartest thing a teacher can do in this day and age is upload all thier own work and get paid for it while they continue to flunk students for cheating.

  20. However, this is not censorship by Flying+pig · · Score: 1
    You are using some definition of censorship that I do not understand. Tobacco, drugs and prostitution are not small evils. They cost society a huge amount of money - in police, medical and social welfare costs - as a result of their effects. If I want to run a shop front - which is what Google's paid for advertising basically is - and decide I do not want to promote things with heavy adverse effects on society, that is my right as a citizen. It would be censorship - i.e. enforcement of a particular moral attitude by the State - if I was forced to advertise these things contrary to my own beliefs. It is not as if these people cannot go elsewhere or, if they really think that they have a right to a public platform, to buy their own search engine and see how much traffic it gets.

    However, we agree on one point. Slavery is a great evil, whether it is women trapped into prostitution, forced labour of Chinese prisoners, indentured farm work organised by criminal gangs with the tacit consent of the government in the UK (and I expect in the US), or peasants forced by warlords to grow drugs to finance their gangs. I suspect that once the US economy goes into recession, avoidance of which seems increasingly unlikely, there will be sudden demands to control outsourcing to cheap labor areas. At which point Google may come under pressure to stop those advertisements. That will be censorship.

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    1. Re:However, this is not censorship by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Tobacco, drugs and prostitution are not small evils. They cost society a huge amount of money ... Only because 'society' has chosen to waste money on those costs. They are all victimless in that the only people who are hurt are those who choose to be hurt. In countries where prostitution is legal, like the majority of the first world, the costs are much less than they are in the USofA.

      If I want to run a shop front - which is what Google's paid for advertising basically is - and decide I do not want to promote things with heavy adverse effects on society, that is my right as a citizen. Surely you are not unaware of Google's claim to "do no evil?" If you lack that context, then I can see why you would go off on a tangent about it being their right to do whatever they want. I'm pointing out that their words and their actions are inconsistent.
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    2. Re:However, this is not censorship by TheJasper · · Score: 1

      Censorship basically means blocking out thing you don't want. So yes, this is censorship. It's not government enforced censorship but it is censorship (which is the act of censoring).

      from m-w.com
        censor
      Function:
              transitive verb
      Inflected Form(s):
              censored; censoring Listen to the pronunciation of censoring \sen(t)-s-ri, sen(t)s-ri\
      Date:
              1882

      : to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable ; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable

      So it is censorship. self censorship. Does that make it wrong?

      As to the evil of drugs, tobacco and prostitution...that is another discussion. However, one could debate wether or not they should or shouldn't be advertised. In the absence of legal constraints Google will simply choose what ensures it the best revenue form all their advertisers. After all if people avoid you because of sex ad then you also won't be selling them any childrens books (or furniture or whatever). I have no problems with that.

    3. Re:However, this is not censorship by maxume · · Score: 1

      You should write a letter to Google for me, I don't think they are improving their results fast enough, the evil bastards. I'm being ridiculous, but it underlines the point that when you use a word like evil, you end up with a whole bunch of interpretations of exactly what it means.

      No one in reality land thinks that 'Do no evil' means anything other than 'Do nothing Eric and those other two guys think is excessively evil'. At its core, that message is an internal marketing effort, to give people working there some sense of the 'corporate ethos', not a promise to each and every user that they will reverse direction at the first touch of a foul breeze.

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    4. Re:However, this is not censorship by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      No one in reality land thinks that 'Do no evil' means anything other than 'Do nothing Eric and those other two guys think is excessively evil'. At its core, that message is an internal marketing effort, And MY point is that if all the people out there in reality land, those guys ought to be at the head of the class that thinks impeding the flow of information is a big E evil, especially information that does not pertain to illegal activities.
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  21. Don't Be Evil by Nymz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is that "do no evil" or "Do KNOW EVIL!"? did anyone get this in writing or has this whole slogan thing been word of mouth?

    Actually, it's "Don't be evil" from their CoC. And I imagine their decision to refuse this type of advertising is, in their opinion, the lesser of two evils.
    1. Re:Don't Be Evil by simm1701 · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think its just progress a letter

      Don't B evil

      to

      Don't C evil

      Obviously it doesn't count if they can hide it, or not notice it

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  22. Punish legitimate businesses? by jimicus · · Score: 1

    That really is stretching the definition of a legitimate business.

    Granted, there may be no specific law, but it's not as if there's a single respectable university in the land which will knowingly accept work prepared in this way.

  23. that explains it by mr_musan · · Score: 5, Funny

    > which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution." i had always wondered why google adds never advertised anything i wanted

  24. Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "' Google has specifically banned 'academic paper-writing services and the sale of pre-written essays, theses, and dissertations,' which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution.""

    Google is taking such a moral high morals; considering that they censored searches in China.

    1) Tobacco isn't illegal in my country; US. Why is it censored?

    2) Drugs; depending on the drug it may not be illegal to purchase (depending on the country). There is no law that says you cannot advertise or sell drugs in the US. You just have to have the proper paperwork filed to sell and buy drugs. Yet, Google sees fit to ban it.

    3) Weapons; perhaps the right to bear arms in the US Constitution doesn't mean anything. You can bear them but don't advertise them. There is no US law that prohibits the advertising or the sale of weapons. Well, weapons of mass destruction is an exception but I cannot remember someone selling WMD on AdSense. But lets suppress it anyway.

    Hypocrisy!

    1. Re:Censorship by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      Google is not a state owned firm, they may refuse to do business with you. Advertise with M$ or Yahoo.

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    2. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anthrax. Find what you're looking for on eBay.

    3. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its still censorship. Just censorship on Google's property, but nonetheless censorship.

      The parent poster brings up a good point. Google wants to pretend to take a moral high ground, but ends up eschewing the principles of 'do no evil' by becoming the Big Brother itself.

  25. It will punish legitimate bussines by fluch · · Score: 1

    So? I couldn't care less. I guess it is up to Google to choose which kind of advertisement it wants to serve. Also Google gets less money cause of the outage of those advertisements.

  26. It's not illegal, though by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, I don't think selling papers is _illegal_, though. Unethical, yes, but then lots of unethical things pass for normal and legal business these days. (And it was even worse in the past.) So _if_ your implication is, basically, "they may be legitimate, but they're not legal", I'll have to disaggree there. They're against university rules, but AFAIK not against any state or federal laws. If they were illegal, you wouldn't need Google to do that, you could just forward those links to the police.

    Second, legitimate is even trickier. Where do you draw the line? Technically speaking, anything legal _is_ a legitimate business. If you don't want it done, just pass a law to outlaw it.

    And the business side pops up all the time (e.g, "but it creates employment!") when debating whether or not to make something illegal. It sure popped up in the spam and telemarketting debates, for example, all the way to the highest level. So basically when deciding whether it's legal or not, some MPs/congressmen/whatever-you-have, already considered the business side of it, and whether or not they want businesses doing that. E.g., whether the (lack of) ethics of it outweigh the employment created, tax income, and/or bribes from that lobby. In a way they already decided if that kind of business is legitimate or not.

    Employment vs inflation is a constant concern since the Great Depression, when basically suddenly supply outstripped aggregate demand. (Yes, Say's Law does still apply, but "supply creates its own demand" only by lowering prices, and in the Great Depression suddenly the only point where you could actually sell all that stuff was below the production costs.) This became even worse when most industry moved offshore. Now we need even less people producing stuff. What do you do with the rest? Leave them unemployed, like in the 19'th century? Well, that also lowers the money they can spend to buy stuff, and that-a-way lies the downwards spiral that led to the Great Depression in the first place.

    So nowadays governments actually get to see that employment stays roughly where they want it, and create some extra aggregate demand. (Deficit spending, pork barrel, social security, etc.) It works too, since we no longer have the economic crisis cycles that plagued most of the 19'th century and the first part of the 20'th century. Back then it was considered _normal_ that the industry goes through bankruptcy cycles and rises from the ashes based on demanding even longer work hours and lower salaries.

    In a nutshell, a government's job is to see to it that you encourage (or at least don't discourage too much) people to create more jobs that don't actually produce something. Pretend to manage each other, create whole castes of marketters just trying to steal customers from each other, or do all sorts of convenience services to each other. And chip in a little to make it all keep working. Deserved or undeserved, ethical or unethical, as long as the negative impact is small enough, it doesn't matter. It matters that unemployment doesn't get out of hand. Because noone wants another Great Depression.

    That's why even when debating something as annoying as telemarketting, the question just _has_ to pop up, basically, "how many jobs _are_ we nuking in the process? and can the rest of the economy absorb those?" You don't want to be the paladin in shiny armour that saved people from all evils... at the expense of causing the economy to collapse.

    At any rate, that's why a lot of unproductive and even mildly unethical stuff is allowed to exist. In fact, encouraged to exist.

    If you think that such companies are crossing the line into outright harmful, well, just lobby your lawmakers to outlaw it.

    But, yeah, I'll aggree that Google is free to choose the companies it does business with.

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    1. Re:It's not illegal, though by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where do you draw the line? Technically speaking, anything legal _is_ a legitimate business. If you don't want it done, just pass a law to outlaw it. That's exactly what the GP was disputing, I think. He's saying that these businesses might be legal, but that doesn't make them "legitimate".

      But you're right: where do you draw the line? "Legitimate" just means a business that you approve of. Are payday loan shops legitimate businesses? How about telemarketers, pawn shops, or casinos? Head shops? Porn shops? They're all legal, but whether the GP would call them "legitimate" is up to him.. and it's a pointless argument anyway.

      Frankly, if Google is going to start banning ads from shady-but-legal businesses, I think they're opening up a can of worms. I know I've seen plenty of shady ads on there that had nothing to do with academic essays. Why shouldn't those be banned too?
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    2. Re:It's not illegal, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "First of all, I don't think selling papers is _illegal_, though."

      You mean that a company set up for the only reason to help people to pass their exams by cheating is legal ?

      I would even put it stronger : By offering a "service" like this they could be regarded as the source of the need-to-cheat (provoking it).

      To make it simple : The papers obtained after a study are ment as proof that someone is fit to do certain things. Cheating on exams means that those papers are actually forged. Forgery is illegal, and aiding-and-abedding to illegal acts is illegal in itself.

      But than again, IANAL.

    3. Re:It's not illegal, though by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Forging an official document be illegal, but cheating isn't. I dont think anyone got throw in jail for being caught cheating at an exam. Or do you know of any actual case where that happened?

      Heck, I even know of people who forged or lied about their diploma, and still didn't land in jail. E.g., there was this story on Slashdot about the, IIRC, admission officer at MIT, who not only claimed diplomas from universities she never went to or which didn't even offer that qualification, but went on to actively undermine the whole idea of academic achievement and integrity. They fired her, but that's pretty much all they can possibly do. You can't throw someone in jail for merely being a pathological liar, or we'd have to build jails for all the politicians and marketters and PR hacks, plus about half the journalists.

      College rules are one thing, laws are another. Something may be forbidden by the college rules, yet perfectly legal as far as a court of law is concerned.

      Cheating is just inherently unethical and for most of us abhorrent, but, as I was saying, a lot of stuff that I find unethical and abhorrent is legal anyway. And unless someone actually manages to make it illegal, like it or not, it _is_ a legitimate business.

      Now noone says you or Google should do business with them. But they are legitimate, no matter how much some of us think they shouldn't be.

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    4. Re:It's not illegal, though by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Unethical, yes, but then lots of unethical things pass for normal and legal business these days."

      I'd even question wether it's unethical. Embarrasing, yes, and telling, sure.

      But unethical? If essays and theses are so easily manufactured, replicated and/or forged, perhaps it's time to reconsider the methods by which such academic achievements are evaluated.

      Perhaps we should exercise some cross-discipline teamwork and have engineering and research students team up with technical writers and humanist (english, journalism, etc) students instead? Having such a team produce an original, legible and yet correct and scientifically sound paper would perhaps be a far more appropriate and useful exercise than either of the pair separately trying to do something they might suck at (and, hey, maybe we'd get journalists that dont always get the science wrong and scientific articles that dont make your eyes bleed out of it too).

      "how many jobs _are_ we nuking in the process? and can the rest of the economy absorb those?"

      Mmm, an annoying, incorrect and yet, sadly, far too common argument.

      As, presumably, those jobs are currently paid jobs, nuking those jobs will leave those resources available in the rest of the economy instead, so of course it can absorb them. The money paying them came from somewhere, that somewhere will still have the money and will spend it elsewhere, creating new jobs instead.

      Busywork, in its most useless sense, means you are diverting resources from the economy to produce something inherenly undesired. Unfortunately, that means that the wealth those resources would have otherwise produced doesnt get produced, so the economy as a whole generates a suboptimal level of wealth.

      "At any rate, that's why a lot of unproductive and even mildly unethical stuff is allowed to exist."

      Actually, I'd say that the main reason is the blanket refusal to acknowledge that that whole problem is a change and distribution of wealth problem. As long as you encourage waste you dont have to call it 'wealth redistribution'. Creating (and allowing) busywork is essentially (from a wealth creation pov) no different from taxing the needed workers and putting the non-workers on welfare. It's just not as noticable and easily measured.

      Of course, a much better an productive way to solve the whole problem would be to simply cut working time (which was essentially what was done in the agrarian->industrial economic revolution). Cut working time as productivity increases and production need decreases, and you solve a whole host of other issues like stress related illnesses and retirement problems.

      Personally I'd far rather work four hours per day 'til I'm 80 and have everything cost half as much, rather than work 8 hours and pay twice the tax and prices to keep a whole host of people doing nothing in the economy.

    5. Re:It's not illegal, though by westlake · · Score: 1
      I'd even question wether it's unethical. Embarrasing, yes, and telling, sure.
      But unethical? If essays and theses are so easily manufactured, replicated and/or forged, perhaps it's time to reconsider the methods by which such academic achievements are evaluated.

      The world still demands an occassional demonstration that you can be trusted to follow instructions, complete assignments, take pride in your own work. You won't always have a team to back you up. Particularly when you have got into the habit of letting someone else pull the oars.

    6. Re:It's not illegal, though by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      I haven't got the foggiest idea of what laws apply in this case, but when you hand in an exam or essay, aren't you asserting that what you submitted is entirely your work? I know I had to sign a statement to that effect when I handed in my final assignment last week.

      This is not like selling RPG gold or violating a site's Terms of Service. This sounds more like a deliberate deception for personal gain, to paraphrase Wikipedia on Fraud.

    7. Re:It's not illegal, though by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Or more to the point, shouldn't poor working university students have the same access to essay writing services that the children of the rich and greedy have. Problems with essays, focus on exams for grading results.

      It is typical of googles BA mono culture, this is more important than advertising gambling, alcohol, or smoking to children. Other things are also troubling, like advertising competing services on your web site, or in terms of politics, advertising republicans on democratic web sites.

      It seems more like they target restrictions for feel good marketing purposes only as long as they will have no real impact upon revenue.

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    8. Re:It's not illegal, though by RationalRoot · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that you are correct in saying that it's not illegal to either buy or sell term papers per se.

      But would submitting a term paper that you have not written as though it was your own would be a fradualent act.

      Since you are paying the university for you education, there is an implicit contract, or possibly an explicit contract, that by submitting a bought term paper, are you committing fraud? You are certainly damaging the Universites reputation by lowering the value of their degrees. There is a victim.

      If the submitter is committing fraud, then knowingly selling term papers to people who will commit a fraudulant act could be considered aiding and abetting / conspiracy ?

      Disclaimer - this is pure conjecture - what I know about criminal law comes mostly from watching bad tv series.

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    9. Re:It's not illegal, though by dunelin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually in Massachusetts, it is illegal to sell papers like this:

      • Mass. General Laws, Chapter 271, Section 50. Sale of research papers, etc. and taking of examinations for another at educational institutions. Whoever, alone or in concert with others, sells to another, or arranges for or assists in such sale for another, a theme, term paper, thesis or other paper or the written results of research, knowing or having reason to know that such theme, term paper, thesis or other paper or research results or substantial material therefrom will be submitted or used by some other person for academic credit and represented as the original work of such person at an educational institution in the commonwealth or elsewhere without proper attribution as to source, or whoever takes an examination for another at any educational institution in the commonwealth, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars or by imprisonment for not more than six months, or both.
    10. Re:It's not illegal, though by Shados · · Score: 1

      Something may be forbidden by the college rules, yet perfectly legal as far as a court of law is concerned
      Of course, a very large amount of reputable colleges make student sign legally binding contracts stating the student agrees not to cheat, and breaking contracts tend to be something you can be pulled in court for. I can't say I know an instance where that was used, but its there in quite a few colleges.
    11. Re:It's not illegal, though by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow, I think your bizarre economic theory is what kept you from making "UbuntuDupe friend". (I know, a tragedy, right?)

      Employment vs inflation is a constant concern since the Great Depression, when basically suddenly supply outstripped aggregate demand. (Yes, Say's Law does still apply, but "supply creates its own demand" only by lowering prices, and in the Great Depression suddenly the only point where you could actually sell all that stuff was below the production costs.)

      What? Businesses, even today, often sell at a loss when demand doesn't turn out to be what they expected. Ever seen a "clearance" shelf? "But then what about for the next round of production?" Well, at the next round of production, the lower demand for outputs has chewed its way back to the original factors, forcing their money costs down so that production costs no longer exceed final output prices.

      You seem to have this view that businesses knowingly make products, again and again, that they can't sell profitably, and then when they predictably can't sell them, they successfully lobby the government to make people buy them, which somehow saves the economy from instability. Have you ever actually run a business? Would part of your business plan involve making a product at a loss and hoping the government will force its price up in time?

      Moreover, this wouldn't explain all the other modern capitalist economies that don't have governments that suck up output "to keep people employed".

      And,

      So nowadays governments actually get to see that employment stays roughly where they want it, and create some extra aggregate demand. (Deficit spending, pork barrel, social security, etc.) It works too, since we no longer have the economic crisis cycles that plagued most of the 19'th century and the first part of the 20'th century.

      Nice use of post-hoc reasoning there.

    12. Re:It's not illegal, though by Znork · · Score: 1

      "The world still demands an occassional demonstration that you can be trusted to follow instructions, complete assignments, take pride in your own work."

      Actually, in the case of writing papers I'd say the real world very much assigns such work to those employed to do it, and outsourcing/hiring consultants to write reports would often be an entirely appropriate way of producing such a thing (assuming, of course, you werent primarily employed to write such reports. In which case someone might be pissed off that you were outsourcing your work yourself before they could do it to you).

      The point, tho, is that since it's become quite obvious that the production of a paper doesnt actually demonstrate the following of instructions, completition of assignments (well, arguably) or pride in work, perhaps it's time to change the assignment in such a way as to better actually demonstrate the necessary skills.

      The educational establishment is far too lazy when it comes to adapting to the dizzying speed with which the methods of assimilation and dissemination of knowledge are changing today. No wonder the students get lazy when the schools are stuck using century old methods of evalution. A hundred years ago a term paper might have been a useful measurement. Today I wouldnt be surprised to find a perl script that could write one with options for the class...

    13. Re:It's not illegal, though by julesh · · Score: 1

      I know I've seen plenty of shady ads on there that had nothing to do with academic essays. Why shouldn't those be banned too?

      Absolutely. Multi-level/"network" marketing schemes should be the next to go. They prey on the unwary and uneducated and should be stopped. Then vanity presses. There's a lot of advertising going on for dubious businesses on google's networks, and I know of several people who refuse to run google ads on their sites because of the type of advert they attract. (And then theres scam.com, who seem to relish in the dubious google ads that accumulate on their site -- e.g., from the batch I just loaded, "I made $204,000 last month not MLM no selling get paid daily this works"... yeah, right.).

    14. Re:It's not illegal, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lookup: Steel industry subsidies.

    15. Re:It's not illegal, though by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Ouch, $100 or SIX MONTHS? That's a bit extreme. I think $1,000 or 1 week would be more appropriate. The psychological, financial, and social impact of jail is a lot higher than most people seem to think, especially lawmakers. Let's say you're a homeowner. That's up to six months where you can't make money to pay your mortgage, and 6 months without payment is almost a guaranteed foreclosure. You have a lein on your car? Repossessed. In college? If you're past the withdraw date, the school will probably fail you in all your classes, so you're probably looking at getting kicked out. (Granted, they'd probably kick you out anyway for that particular charge, but there are lots of other misdemeanors with 6 month sentences.) Six months can easily leave you with nothing. Less than nothing. And that's not even counting the actual punishment of being locked up with (mostly) idiots for half a year. Fortunately judges rarely dole out the full sentence, but the fact that legislators allow it, particularly for a charge like that, is ridiculous.

    16. Re:It's not illegal, though by sco08y · · Score: 1

      First of all, I don't think selling papers is _illegal_, though.

      It should be. By claiming that someone else's work is yours, you're committing fraud. It might not be prosecutable since there aren't any monetary damages (well, only to yourself since you just wasted the money you spent on the class), but it is still illegal.

  27. Good, this will save them some money by iamacat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Truly useful services like prostitution, pot, warez and essay writing need no advertisement. Potential customers will actively look for them in regular Google search results and offline through references from friends. It's the useless services like "free" credit reports that need to spend money on ads in order to rip off clueless people.

  28. Re:Legitimate Businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a pretty shitty web site that you've been spamming. Improve it or stop wasting our time.

  29. Re:Google worse than Micro$oft by delt0r · · Score: 1

    Well most of the addsence set up is 100% automatic. They simple don't "see" the sites or screen them. You can complain I think. It has worked for others. But once Google become a public company, they cannot legaly do no evil if it redueces stockholer value. So i don't think they are worse than M$ yet, it will take time.

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  30. Internet police by akar_naveen · · Score: 1

    So google is the Internet police now, with it's own laws?

    Interestingly, these laws are also people driven.

    1. Re:Internet police by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

      Here is an idea that could help you avoid this problem: start your own search engine company. Be explicit that essay writing services are OK as advertisers. I'll bet the world will beat a path to your door.

  31. Re:Google worse than Micro$oft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly, the expression is restraint of trade.

    Secondly, it's totally irrelevant to this case.

    Third, haven't you got a paper to write?

    Fourth, go fuck yourself. HAND.

  32. Whenever someone says drug in that context by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    It is safe to assume that "illegal" is implied. Banning ALL drug advertising would be rather odd in most cases. Remember: Even simple things like aspirin are drugs. It's no surprise Google is happy to accept money for advertising legal drugs.

    1. Re:Whenever someone says drug in that context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marriage is still legal, not all weapons are illegal, and tobacco is certainly not. What is this context you speak of? It is only a matter of deep propaganda that you do not question the implicitness of such a statement. Then again, the government makes a fuck load of money off of drugs. Did I say illegal? No. Did I mean illegal? No. The government makes a fuck load of money off both illegal and legal drugs. The government decides the dividing line. You do not.

  33. Re:Google worse than Micro$oft by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Just like with eBay and other major sources of illegal warez, it's a matter of scale.

    If you're a small independant developer with unsufficient funds to fight Google for years in court, they'll just ignore your claims. If you're a big university which employes professors in law, Google will listen.

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  34. Not censorship, service to AdSense cleints by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The list of banned adds reflect what Google's AdSense clients, the people who put Google adds on their web pages, are willing to put up with. Many people would be unhappy to see adds for prostitution, guns or tobacco on their web pages, and choose another advertising partner if Google let those through. Losing those partners would hurt more than losing the advertisement customers for the listed products.

    Now homework cheating services are on that list.

    So this is a case where maximizing profit also happens to be "do no evil" (depending on your definition of evil).

    1. Re:Not censorship, service to AdSense cleints by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      ...choose another advertising partner if Google let those through.

      Instead of just placing filter on their own banners in adsense settings?
    2. Re:Not censorship, service to AdSense cleints by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      I say it's censorship. Google can easily provide a way to disable ads of this nature 'by preference' from the user.... and 'by preference' from the client. They simply have to put in few checkboxes for each: "Do you prefer to not see/serve ads of the following nature: [list of potentially repugnant services]"

      They do this already with image/ad/results filtering of 'adult content'.

      There isn't even a good economic reason to avoid this feature. Google should empower users to block all ads in search results... most of their money comes from hosted ads now anyways, so why not allow their searches to be clean and virtuous for those who aren't interested in buying anything right now. They could even close up the ad box to just show a headline bar "There are 5 ads relevant to your search, click to view" where clicking would slide open the ad box.

      Google should be all about personalizing the web experience for their users through providing choices.... not taking away choices.

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    3. Re:Not censorship, service to AdSense cleints by hxnwix · · Score: 2, Funny
      "So this is a case where maximizing profit also happens to be "do no evil" (depending on your definition of evil)"

      What are you saying? In this very slashdot article's advert section, we find:

      Custom Essay Service
      Original Essays, Book Reports, Papers and other Academic Writing.
      customessay.com

      Essays
      High Quality - Instant Download Find one on your topic today!
      DueNow.com/Essays/ Is slashdot evil by certain definitions of evil? If correcting grammar makes one a grammar nazi, does correcting evil make one an evil nazi?
  35. Of course it's Google, though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm also uneasy about this, but I can sympathize with Google. After all, their collective GPA must be one of the highest in the world. These guys are billionaires because of their education, and I'm sure they're aware of it.

  36. But diploma mills are still adverticed by thue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google apparently still allows ads for Diploma mills. Usually they claim that they examine your "life experience", and then grant you a diploma based on what you already know. In practice, they just sell you pieces of paper without checking, and you can then use the diploma to pretend to other people you have taken a real university degree, i.e. fraud.

    For example a reporter was able to buy a degree in aerospace engineering, a field he knew nothing about, from Ashwood University. Ashwood University is deceptively named to be similar to Ashford University.

    But if you search for "Ashwood University" in Google you get plenty of ads. As well as the Wikipedia article which document the fact that the operation is fraudulent. The Wikipedia article is vandalized regularly by people trying to edit out the well-documented criticism. The vandals are probably the university owners or degree holders.

    I have sent an email to Google some time ago, saying that they were advertising for fraud. But my email had no lasting effect, obviously.

    1. Re:But diploma mills are still adverticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HEY ! You insensitive clod ! I got my diploma from Ashwood.

  37. Will these Essay-Writing Services... by niceone · · Score: 1

    ...Write slashdot posts? I'm finding it rather a strain at the moment.

    1. Re:Will these Essay-Writing Services... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Can't you just use a computer program?

      Hey, we could finally write the real Slashbot! :-)

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    2. Re:Will these Essay-Writing Services... by niceone · · Score: 1

      Can't you just use a computer program?
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  38. No net neutrality for Google by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

    It's really about net neutrality. Google should ideally just let ads through without (artificial) moral or political interference.

    It will make cheating a little more difficult, and make the cheaters be a little more creative.
    I don't really see the moral justification; cheaters lose out on a learning experience, and essay writers lose out on jobs. Overall GPA has nothing to do with overall career success. In the business world, cheaters are the ones who usually win. I've personally seen cheaters social-network themselves into leadership positions while people who actually spend their time being productive and efficient get treated like losers. Google cannot change reality.

  39. Actually, now that you mention it... by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Prostitution I have nothing against, however neither do I think it should be thrown in our faces the whole time (ok, I'm not a big fan of ads at all).


    Actually, now that you mention it, I'd rather have more prostitution ads than some of the other scams I'm bombarded with.

    E.g., you almost can't go to a page that's even remotely game/gold/whatever related, without getting powerlevelling and gold farming ads nowadays. Not only that kind of cheating actively disrupts the game for everyone else, but in most cases nowadays it's a scam. There's a whole class of keylogging trojans and viruses nowadays that simply steal someone's login data. Then the scammer logs in, sells everything that guy's characters have (leaving them literally naked), then transfer the money to the scammer's characters to be advertised as "buy gold for low prices!" Even on Google.

    Now I don't want to go into the whole debate of whether virtual goods should be treated as real ones, but it's:

    A) just actively ruining someone's gaming experience, and

    B) in a dumb destructive way at that. The price for selling those items at the vendor is often 1 or 2 orders of magnitude lower than their normal in-game value. It's like burning someone's house down to sell the ashes. That dumb and destructive.

    Even not treating those as "property", if you put in the balance the joy of someone who bought 100 gold in a game, vs the grief of someone who lost items worth 2000 gold for that, it's a bad trade all around. It's ruining someone's _months_ of time "investment" to let someone else feel rich and powerful for maybe a couple of hours until they blow it on some stupidity at the auction house. They haven't worked much for that gold, so don't expect them to put much value on it. They'll maybe buy a weapon they'll use for 2 days until they buy more gold for the next one.

    C) maybe more important, it's rewarding and encouraging activities that are destructive and predatory IRL too, not only in some virtual imaginary game world. The viruses and keyloggers are very real, and often used for other nefarious purposes too, like harvesting bank accounts, credit card numbers, as spam bots, as DDOS bots, etc. It's activities which are already bad as it is, and sadly too rewarding as it is. I don't think anyone actually wants to encourage them some more.

    So, frankly, if I look at A, B and C, I appreciate a hard working prostitute a lot more. She's just providing a service for people who want it, and selling only her work and time, not actively ruining anyone else's day for something to sell.

    Or I constantly see google ads for crackpot conspiracies, crackpot young-earth/flat-earth creationism, scams, frauds, phishing schemes, spyware, etc. Even Google itself had that piece of news about how many people clicked on a "Is your PC virus-free? Click here to get it virused" ad. It was on Slashdot too.

    Meh. I'll take prostitution ads instead, please. No, I still wouldn't buy sex, but, hey, I'm not buying all the other crap advertised at me either. So gimme some nicer ads at least.

    Yeah, I'm not a fan of ads at all. But getting rid of them completely is, obviously, not an option. So if I _have_ to see ads, let's have some good old fashioned porn and prostitution ads instead of all that crap, please.

    They're more honest than half the rest of advertising too. I'm going to barf if I see one more ad for snake oil that's supposed to solve all sorts of problems that don't even exist, and with made up testimonials at that. And idiot PHBs actually believing that crap.

    At least with a prostitute you can know realistically what you can get, and how it would work. Human anatomy only allows for so much variation, you know, and there's only so much that plastic surgery can do. (Admittedly, that's a lot.) You can't claim to reduce TCO 10 times, increase ROI ten times, allow untrained monkeys to write enterprise-class programs in 21 days, solve world hunger, cure cancer, and bring global enlightenment. Everyone just knows that even a kilo of silicone implants won't do that ;)
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    1. Re:Actually, now that you mention it... by TheJasper · · Score: 1
      Well, I can agree with that. Still, while I couldn't care less how many naked women are dancing around my desktop (virtual on screen desktop, my real life desktop could use some naked women ;) I don't think I'd want young children watching it. Which you would get if they didn't block it. I'm not a prude, I think people should be more open about sex or even just nudity, however that doesn't mean there aren't age related issues. quite frankly monitoring advertising isn't censorship per se.

      Those farmer ads, virus ads and thing like that certainly border on the illegal. I think google should block those to. No one likes. No one is helped by them...except !@#%$@@#$#!...not so nice people I mean. They are at least as dubious as the essay services if not more so. However, like spam, it is hard to block everything you don't want without blocking what you do want. So blocking certain major annoyances is good. Just K.I.S.S..

    2. Re:Actually, now that you mention it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realize that WoW is probably one of the top 5 most important things in your life (not that you're addicted.. it's just a hobby), but the rest of the world doesn't care. Sorry.

  40. Offensive Speech by Nymz · · Score: 2, Funny

    If we want to be exposed to unpopular views on war in mass media, perhaps we shouldn't fire decent radio DJs who occasionally quote rap music with unpopular racial stereotypes.

    I am soooooo offended by your suggestion. I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!!!
    1. Re:Offensive Speech by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Blah blah blah, insensitive clod, you get the point

  41. escorts? by Jah+Shaka · · Score: 0

    yea but if you hae 1/2 a brain you can sell prostitution services online just call it a escort service! i assume if you want to sell tobacco and firewarms then you can do the same... this is really just publicity at the end of the day...

  42. Google Morality Sqad strikes again by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

    You haven't completed your Piled Higher and Deeper yet, but you already don't remember what's going on out there in the real world?

    Forcing students to write completely pointless and retarded essays is what's causing these services to appear and thrive. Seriously, right now I'm writing a "How to Save the World" in 6,000 words essay and no, it's not a technical analysis of ways to stop a comet from smashing into Earth, just general bullshit about population, society, the environment and crap like that. I wrote every single one of the required essays myself and probably wouldn't use a service that would do it for me, partly because I'm such a cheap bastard. However, hopefully these services would make professors rethink their regular assignments, just because you had it tough doesn't mean everybody else should, too.

    I don't see how Google playing the morality squad role here (while going la-la-la when somebody points at China) is in any way an applaudable action.

    1. Re:Google Morality Sqad strikes again by octal666 · · Score: 1

      Save the Cheerleader, Save the World!

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    2. Re:Google Morality Sqad strikes again by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Those essays aren't pointless, as your writing indicates. Compare it to the bulk of illiterate crap on /. You write reasonably well. That's the point of essays actually, not the presentation of your knowledge on a subject, but the exercise in good writing. Most of the writing you will do in professional life should be legible and won't be on topics you would enjoy writing about.

    3. Re:Google Morality Sqad strikes again by zegota · · Score: 1

      Generally, the only way I get through BS essays is to interject things like that into them ^_^;

  43. Not a good idea by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Essay-writing services can be used for non-immoral purposes outside what many think their target audience is. But ignoring this, I have the following to say.

    Banning the advertisements isn't going to solve the issue of plagiarism. In fact, it could compound the problem by pushing it underground. If someone is motivated to cheat, they're probably going to cheat regardless of whether they see an advertisement on Google, or whether they have to hunt underground for a service. Afterall, is Google banning search results?

    1. Re:Not a good idea by nagora · · Score: 1
      In fact, it could compound the problem by pushing it underground.

      As opposed to now, when people freely admit that they have cheated?

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    2. Re:Not a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a university lecturer who has used Google to check for students' plagiarism, let me just say this is a non-issue.

      To check an essay on one of these plagiarism-mongering and academically offensive "legitimate businesses" one must pay the site's download fee, which is, if anything, more abhorrent than letting a potentially plagiarised (but potentially legitimate) essay slip through.

      To check an essay on a simple Google search, on the other hand, just requires entering phrases in quotes into a search box and hitting enter.

      And stealing from books, the old fashioned form of plagiarism to which students might have to resort if the "legitimate" essay sites go bust (or are rightly legislated out of existence), is combated by the old fashioned academics knowing the literature. They often do, as more than one past student has found out to their cost.

      Sorry: where was the downside again? I mean, as if plagiarism's ever been "above ground"!

    3. Re:Not a good idea by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 1

      Maybe we need to address why students cheat in the first place.

  44. Essay services can give horrible results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the third year of my UK bachelor's degree I was once extremely pressed for time. Personal circumstances, that the essay material was quite peripheral to the core of the study and that I was edging in at the highest grading tier (1st) already led me to try an essay writing service.

    I used an essay service that let you specify your desired grade, level (bachelor's degree, masters or PhD, though not which year of bachelor's degree) required turnaround (standard 1 week, express 48h delivered by midnight on the 2nd day, express 24h delivered by midnight on the next day) and word limit. You could also specify sources that you needed to have referenced.

    I picked the 24h, but specified in the comment box that I was happy with 48h delivery but would like to pay the higher amount in order to ensure that they took proper care in writing. I also provided a couple of references we had been given.

    The essay I got back after 20h was 15% below the recommended word limit and literally crap. No logical progression, shoddy grammar (who writes short sentences starting with 'So'?) and just a bunch of bullet points all pasted together that didn't lead to any conclusion. One of the sources had not been used with the explanation that 'I was unable to find the source you quote for which I should not be held liable', and the others only in extremely generalised ways that could pretty much apply to any article on the subject.

    The only recourse was that I could 'return it along with a list of desired changes for the author to make', but given that the same person would write it I didn't really see the point. I spent the last day rewriting paragraph by paragraph ~£500 ($1000) lighter and was really so embarassed over the result that I didn't ask for feedback on it.

    -AC

    1. Re:Essay services can give horrible results by julesh · · Score: 1

      You should have done what everyone else does: fake an illness (depression's quite easy) and get a doctor's note, then ask for an extension. Works 9 times out of 10, and is less embarassing to admit to later on. :)

  45. Google 'contextual' ads by codecracker007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...one of the ads seen at the top of this story:

    Custom Essay Writing
    Professionally written essays and term papers delivered on time
    CustomEssayWriting.com


    irony meet your elder cousin...

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  46. Ironic! by Vincman · · Score: 1

    It's ironic that the some of the Google-ads that I'm seeing below this story now are: 'Where to get academic papers' and 'How to write a better paper' After a reload, I got an ad for online Casinos. Personally, being a friend of someone who runs an online database of essays, I think there are three negatives to this. A. people have a choice and if they choose to cheat and risk penalties that should be their right. B. By moving such choices to the rim of existence, you also make it harder for teachers and such to check for plagiarism. And C. you run people out of business who are offering a fairly victimless "crime," at least compared to prostitution and drugs.

    1. Re:Ironic! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, being a friend of someone who writes viruses for a living, I think there are three negatives to making virus writing illegal:

      1. People have a choice, and if they choose to distribute viruses and risk penalties, that should be their right.
      2. By moving such choices to the rim of existence, you also make it harder for sysadmins to check their systems are secure.
      3. You run people out of business who are offering a fairly victimless "crime", at least compared to global thermonuclear war.

      Forgive me if I don't find your defence of people whose entire business model revolves around deception terribly compelling!

      Incidentally, this kind of service is hardly victimless. For every person who goes out into the world and gets a good job on the basis of a qualification they didn't earn, someone who did earn that qualification loses out. That almost certainly damages both people who did earn the qualification and the people who would hire them.

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    2. Re:Ironic! by Vincman · · Score: 1

      I'd love to hear statistics on that. There are two takes I can take on it. a. that the person cheating learned nothing and would not pass a job-interview (and if they did, what's the value of qualifications?) and b. that the person cheating did learn something, which I find more credible, and got the job based on their perceived qualifications by the interviewer (who should never base their choice on pieces of paper alone). Furthermore, when I said "database of essays" I purposefully did not say "provider of writing the essays for you." It is a database, which people can submit essays to and other people can use them to learn from them. If they use them for cheating they are stupid as every major educational institution is aware of this site, it was one of the first, and can include them in their plagiarism-checks. In that sense it is a victimless crime, unlike essay-writing services, which you are right, can in some abstracted sense - far less than virus-distribution and thermo-nuclear war, I grant you - cause harm to companies with bad HR-practices and the people who don't get jobs there. But thanks for your cynical reply.

    3. Re:Ironic! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      You run people out of business who are offering a fairly victimless "crime", at least compared to global thermonuclear war.
      Huh? What crimes aren't relatively victimless when compared to global thermonuclear war? Even the WTC attacks and the Madrid and London bombings were relatively victimless compared to that.
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    4. Re:Ironic! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      To borrow a joke from another poster:

      Point ------->
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    5. Re: Ironic! by klenwell · · Score: 1

      For every person who goes out into the world and gets a good job on the basis of a qualification they didn't earn, someone who did earn that qualification loses out.

      It also leads a rational person to the conclusion that he is a sap for not inflating his qualifications. Thus begins the arms race.

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    6. Re:Ironic! by julesh · · Score: 1

      For every person who goes out into the world and gets a good job on the basis of a qualification they didn't earn, someone who did earn that qualification loses out. That almost certainly damages both people who did earn the qualification and the people who would hire them.

      And, frequently, the people who didn't also. They're likely to get fired from that job they're not qualified for fairly soon, whereas if they'd studied a bit harder (which they might have done had they not been able to fall back on an essay writing service), they might have learned something useful.

    7. Re:Ironic! by lubricated · · Score: 1

      prostitution and drugs are quite a bit more victimless. At least they only hurt the buyer and seller at most.

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    8. Re:Ironic! by Vincman · · Score: 1

      This is officially a rat-hole, but you are aware that there is whole ecosystem based on prostitution and drugs, right? That means there are far more people involved, there's more crime, and the penalty is far higher. Wars have been started based on drugs, someone on drugs and on power can inflict a lot of damage, etc. etc. With prostitution, there is the risk of aids, there is a lot of dodgy people-trafficking involved, there are pimps, etc., etc. I really see essay-trafficking as a far smaller "crime" and also not even close to the virus-analogy my original respondent made. I mean, yes, some can get hurt by losing a job to a cheater. But people get hurt losing jobs pretty much every day. It's called capitalism. You might as well ban beautiful girls and tall people, while you're at it. I maintain that proper HR-practices in firms and cheat-prevention mechanisms in schools are the best way to do this, instead of pushing these things to the rim. This, incidentally, applies to prostitution and drugs as well. By outlawing things, we encourage smarter criminals instead of solving the problem.

  47. Google is not the net, doesn't have to be neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Despite its extreme popularity, it's just a search engine, which has made a name for relative fairness and accuracy. Although Google has become very important as a tool, it has no monopoly on bits, packets, or anything else. If I don't like Google's results, I can always check with another engine.

    Overall GPA has nothing to do with overall career success. In the business world, cheaters are the ones who usually win. I've personally seen cheaters social-network themselves into leadership positions while people who actually spend their time being productive and efficient get treated like losers. Google cannot change reality. You're arguing that the market rewards cheating. But from where I sit, the guys who run Google have done pretty well for themselves banking on their reputation for openness and even-handed behavior. The market has rewarded them for their honesty. Now, they're not perfect, but we can always punish their imperfections by not rewarding them with our business.
  48. Re:Legitimate Businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Do you usually post the exact same comment twice, first as AC then logged in eight minutes later? Or did you just rip off that AC comment word for word?

    Just wondering.

  49. Re:Google is not the net, doesn't have to be neutr by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

    I'll emphasize a few points:

    -Google does have a quasi-monopoly, in the sense that a lot of (most?) other search engines contract with Google for search results, and none have come to the same quality as Google, hence if you want an accurate search result you "google" for it

    -I'm arguing that the employment market rewards cheating (I think most management text books would agree, but that is another subject). You can't really cheat with a successful business model (although you can steal people's ideas)

    -and I said "ideally"... ideals are hard to come by and not always practical. In essence Google is not being net-neutral by what it is doing (discriminating against certain types of businesses). It is an academic point. I could always run my own search spider or use http://www.yacy.net/yacy/Download.html if I wanted more neutrality... but those options of course require more work

    Your points are well taken. I myself will continue to use Google.

  50. One week away? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be very lucky with your supervisor or have very good contacts. I submitted my thesis two months ago and still no word from the examiners about it. This is the way it works here (Australia); you submit and then wait until the examiners have read it. Then you have to defend it either by viva voice (not that common here for historical reasons) or by written report. The faculty tells me that waiting for 6 months is not uncommon.

    1. Re:One week away? by dsanfte · · Score: 1

      Here in Canada, oral thesis defences are the norm. This is either good or bad, depending on whether you prefer your dressing-down in person or on paper.

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  51. We faced the same dilemma at Uclue.com by ribuck · · Score: 1

    We faced the same dilemma at Uclue.com, a paid Q&A service. Although we don't encourage people to ask for essays to be written, we can't completely block such questions because it's not always easy to tell whether a question is for a student essay or for some other purpose.

    We resolved it by deciding that we would reject such questions if there was any hint of them being requested in "final form". In any case, we post the answer publicly on the web, so the essay research is available for all students and staff to see, and a quick web search will readily show up if a student is trying to submit the essay as their own work.

    1. Re:We faced the same dilemma at Uclue.com by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      We've had a similar problem on some technical Usenet groups where I help out, teaching beginners various programming-related subjects. Some posts are obviously asking us to do their homework. Most are obviously genuine questions. A few are harder to classify.

      Our benchmark in the case of ambiguity is whether the person asking the question has demonstrated some effort of their own. For example, if a person posted some source code showing how far they'd got already, and then explained what it seemed to be doing, what they wanted it to do, and what the difference was, then generally plenty of people would come along and either point out their mistake or suggest a way forward. If the question was just stated without any accompanying code, then typically the poster would be invited to show what they've got already and identify where their problem is.

      For similar reasons, we rarely post "final" code suitable for handing in unmodified, although one or two posters have been known to be deliberately evil to an obvious homework question, posting a simple-looking and technically correct answer that relied on advanced techniques no beginner would know. I imagine a few lazy students have handed those in without even reading them properly, and then faced some embarrassing questions about how the programs worked... <wicked grin>

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  52. like doping by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    One can not stop those services like that. Its as if one wanted to get rid of doping in sports by forbidding the advertisement of doping. Having part or all of a theses written from a ghostwriter is very similar to doping. It is cheating. For PhD thesis, where the research has to be defended in a seminar with experts, the fraud is probably difficult. For term papers, schools will have to adapt and add oral examinations for papers which look suspicious. Students will have to sign a statement that they wrote the theses without having payed for outside help and violators will be denied a degree. Like in sports, where doping violators have their titles removed. By the way: sanctioning has the risk of the Streisand effect. By forbidding the adds, Google has made the best publicitiy for the services.

  53. Campus Cheating? by morari · · Score: 1

    Pff. No one really goes to college to learn. You go so that you can have a nicely filled field on your resume. Don't for one second think that it denotes intelligence or knowledge in any given field, it's simply a mark of time dedication. In America the further in debt you are, the better society will perceive you. That's why you also need that little house int he suburbs and a brand new vehicle.

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    1. Re:Campus Cheating? by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      > Pff. No one really goes to college to learn.

      Speak for yourself. I went back to school to change careers a couple of years ago (and just graduated with a shiny new bachelor's degree--go, me), and I didn't know half of what I now know about my new field.

    2. Re:Campus Cheating? by jdub_dub · · Score: 1

      Well said. If only it wasn't true..!! (And the student debt counted.)

  54. Bad business practice. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its somewhat stupid to refuse business ( revenue ) from *legitimate* and *legal* businesses. But, its their right to do so.

    Its also my right not to do business with companies that advertise there, due to their rules.

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    1. Re:Bad business practice. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Its somewhat stupid to refuse business ( revenue ) from *legitimate* and *legal* businesses.

      Not really. If it was as simple as you make out, businesses wouldn't have PR departments.

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    2. Re:Bad business practice. by Locklin · · Score: 1

      So, lets say you operate a web site, and use google's add words. Lets say you fashon yourself as a reputable source of information for something acedemic.

      How long would *YOU* put up with perpetual adds for acedemic fraud, when you could use another add service which posts more relivant and ethical adds for the same price??

      Google *IS* thinking about their customers.

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    3. Re:Bad business practice. by zegota · · Score: 1

      Legal? Yes. Legitimate? That could be argued. But as has been said, this probably came from Google customers who were angry that essay-writing ads were showing up on their sites. Google decided they would rather have the revenue from the site owners rather than the shady essay-writing companies. I say, good for them. Even if it was (probably) purely financially motivated, I still support it.

    4. Re:Bad business practice. by z-j-y · · Score: 1

      you are wrong. Google is just trying to sweep them out before the release of gEssay(beta) service. Google has been putting the 'search' in the 'research', now it is only the natural next step to do the whole thing for us.

  55. Stupid by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    The education in US seems to be relying too much on writing papers. That is plain stupid. Instead of trying to catch every plagiarizing bugger, why not to abolish those essays once and forever? Or at least limit them writing only during the class time?

    I think that much more problems will be solved and much less will be created when we establish that free education is not an obligation, but an option. It is inhumane to force people learn math if they do not want to.

    The major complication of this decision is that it will lead to radical overhaul of other fundamental principles of the country.

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    1. Re:Stupid by great+om · · Score: 1


      This is because class time is for lecture and disccussion, in short, for teaching. And also, few of the papers I had to write in college would've fit into the hour to hour and a half that my college classes were --I was an English/Ancient History major as an undergrad. My assignments averaged well above 10 pages, with many much, much higher than that. On top of that, in class essay writing and research papers are two different beasts, both of which should be required in a college setting. The plagarism policy was harsh and punishment was swift, woe to anyone who even forgot proper citations.

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    2. Re:Stupid by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I hope they do not require papers in physics classes. I could not care less about the level of education of Americans in English or Ancient History (please do not take it personal).

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    3. Re:Stupid by great+om · · Score: 1

      Considering that the two primary means of scholarly communication between academic researchers in nearly all disciplines of study (including the sciences) is through papers in journals and conferences wherein papers are discussed, I should hope that Physics classes above the 100 (and possibly 200) range should require papers. The science classes I took at university certainly did.

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    4. Re:Stupid by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Not the "Essay" kind on some stupid generic subject that could be downloaded from internet.

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  56. Aaaawww! by JabrTheHut · · Score: 1

    Now I don't know what to write here.

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  57. ...And happen to be illegal "too"... by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is safe to assume that "illegal" is implied. Banning ALL drug advertising would be rather odd in most cases.


    Depends on the juridiction.

    Remember: Even simple things like aspirin are drugs.


    And here in Switzerland, it is illegal to advertise for it.
    A drug company can advertise its brand name (As in "Here in Mepha we make generics and thus are cheaper than concurrence !")
    A drug company may indirectly infer that it does produces drugs against some problem ("Having sexual troubles ? You shoul talk about them with your doctor ! this message is brought to you by Pfitzer")
    But a drug company CAN'T advertise its products to the general population ("Eat Prozac ! It's will make your life happier !")

    Also, addiction to medical drugs is on the rise in developed countries and is starting to de-throne the classical usage of illegal drugs. Both with people getting addicted on naturally addicting drugs like sleeping medication or pain killers, and people who get "psychologically addicted to comfort pills" (eating anti depressant and viagra like candy, even if those don't necessarily cause physical addiction).
    I'm not a hippie saying that drugs bring more problems than they solve, or that we shall go back to a society with no chemical remedies (That would be suicidal : I'm a doctor).
    I'm just saying that general public should be a little bit more informed about those problems and less exposed to pharmaceutical marketing (which anyway is what cost the most for a drug company, and not the R&D as they are complaining anytime someone tries to lift drugs patents to help developing countries).
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    1. Re:...And happen to be illegal "too"... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I think in the US it works like this. You can advertise a drug. But if you want to advertise what it actually does, you have to list out all the side effects, along with a bunch of other information. This is why many magazines have drug ads, followed by a full page of fine print with all the stuff they are legally required to have. Or you get the ads that just say the name brand, without actually saying what they do. This works well for things that are already well known, like Tylenol, and Advil.

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    2. Re:...And happen to be illegal "too"... by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      "Eat Prozac ! It's will make your life happier !"

      Should be

      "Eat Prozac ! It will make you suicidal!!"

      Personal experience FTW :)

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    3. Re:...And happen to be illegal "too"... by freeweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not a hippie saying that drugs bring more problems than they solve

      That's probably the last thing I'd expect a hippie to say. ;)

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    4. Re:...And happen to be illegal "too"... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Prozac seems to only be a good short-term drug, and even then only for some people. I know someone who was on it for a while and then switched to Zoloft which wasn't as effective for them. But then I also had a friend who killed himself at the age of sixteen while on prozac... You can't really count on anything. Everything effects people differently, and we're by definition talking about imbalanced people anyway.

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    5. Re:...And happen to be illegal "too"... by Pi+Is+A+Rational · · Score: 1

      Prozac doesn't necessarily 100% work for me either. Someday's it will just make me completely depressed and more willing to go about and do something stupid, albeit in a calmer way. I'm guessing it's depressing nerves to some degree so you don't really have a chance to react to something that would trigger depression.

  58. Re: Hypocrisy! You mean Inconsistency by giafly · · Score: 1

    Google is taking such a moral high morals; considering that they censored searches in China.
    None of us are wholly consistent, Mr AC, but this doesn't mean we can't ever take a "moral high morals". Google seems to be better than most.
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  59. No weapons... are you sure? by curecollector · · Score: 2, Informative

    [...] which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=grenades - turns up an ad reading:


    "Grenades
    Looking for
    grenades? Save!
    www.shoppingpage.us"

    (Now, I know that they're not actually selling grenades, but rather have a pile of ads based off of a list of generic words/terms, but it's pretty funny. "Landmines" used to turn up an Ebay ad reading "Looking for landmines?")

  60. as the old saying goes by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    Tobacco, drugs, weapons, prostitution, and essays should not be a list of banned searches, it should be a convenience store.

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  61. Sad state of education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife wanted to start one of these websites. She's a college english teacher, and she was fairly certain she would make 2-3 times her teaching salary doing this. The people writing these papers aren't just poor students. They are people who can't make a decent living teaching.

  62. Why are you in school? by supercrisp · · Score: 1

    The point of these "pointless" essays is to teach you how to write and to insure you've mastered the material. If you don't need to learn that, great, enjoy the coast to your bachelor's degree. Or even better, drop out of school so that you don't discourage students who do want to learn. I'm pretty sure the assignment wasn't to "write a general bullshit essay," yet you blame someone else for that. Maybe it's bullshit because you don't give a damn about it? Finally, 6,000 words, oh how my little heart breaks for you! That's substantially less than thirty pages, more like 20. What a heart-breaker. Drop your lazy butt out of school, get a job carrying heavy things, then come back and report to us. I think just 60 words will do.

    1. Re:Why are you in school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been assigned essays designed to teach me and I've been assigned busy work essays. You know both exist. For me, a dyslexic, it was an extreme pain. Of course when I was in school you wrote an essay out with a pen and paper. If I'd had access to a word processor my dyslexia would have been less of a problem. I learned very little of use writing essays until grad school, when I was finally writing stuff that wasn't already known. There's a huge different between writing an essay on a topic that thousands of other essays have been written on a writing a real research paper.

      Lazy had nothing to do about it. In high school I spent probably 50x more time working on my English/History classes than my Math/Science class, yet was told I was slacking off in English/History. Just because your natural aptitude is different doesn't give you the right to assume people who are having a hard time are lazy.

  63. Re:Morality into their Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But that's exactly what Google is Doing and it's part of their "DO NO EVIL" mission statement. Otherwise, they'll say screw you, we don't care about all of the chineese activists or the american privacy so we'll turn over all the data we've collected to any government that asks us with money in hand.

    Is that what you really want Google to do or would you prefer they hold to their Mission Statement that includes "DO NO EVIL"?

    In this case, I'm satisfied because google is simply excersising their right as a business of stating "We Reserver the Right to Refuse Service", which happens to be quite legal so long as it's not discriminatory, such as refusing service to an ethnicity such as black/hispanic/asian, which is ilegal.

  64. Craigslist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll continue to get my erotic massages through Craigslist, thank you.

  65. too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has specifically banned 'academic paper-writing services and the sale of pre-written essays, theses, and dissertations,' which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution." Pretty soon I'm not going to be able to use google for any of my daily activities.
  66. Clear, simple message by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    Adding such user preferences would muddy up their message about automatic matching of adds to web pages.

    Google has never been about adding choices, their trademark is their ultra-simple, yet functional, interfaces. Just about everybody else had Boolean operators in their search before Google, in fact, the idea of providing a search service with only AND was quite revolutionary in its time.

  67. improvement for the consumers by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Without any empirical evidence whatsoever, I conjecture that this move will benefit those who buy such papers. Large mills may not show up at the top of search results as often as before, so consumers may be more likely to buy from a larger pool of producers, lessening the chances of getting caught by someone noticing similarities between papers.

    After having read some posts about this activity creating jobs, I have to agree. In the short run, it provides work for those in fields for which there is otherwise low demand. Which also tends to encourage teachers of such to assign more papers, providing more work for their community.

  68. Also just good business by abb3w · · Score: 1

    Personally I think "Don't promote businesses which serve no purpose other than helping students cheat on their schoolwork" is entirely consistent with "Don't be evil."

    It's a good decision for Google's own selfish reasons, too. They prefer to hire the creme de la creme, who rise to the very top by their own efforts and nature. Such essay writing and other cheating services only facilitate the rise of the scum.

    (Hat tip to the late Edgar Bergen.)

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  69. Censorial bastards! by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

    Censorial bastards! They deserve the same karmic fate as XM--a two-day outage. How will the world cope with a two-day Google outage?

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  70. I Think This is Good by EmotionToilet · · Score: 1
    By doing this Google has grouped dishonest essays with drugs and weapons and other unethical practices. I think this better shows just how powerful language is and how it can be used to create great truth, but also great illusion, and that we must learn to use it appropriately. Anyone who's read anything by George Orwell understands the power of words and ideas.

    Besides, I don't think it's right that richer people are able to buy their way through college and then act the part of a trained professional. I'd prefer that my doctor, nurse, and boss have a thorough, honest education. I think it's better that these students be forced to write their own papers and actually read the material. However, I don't believe there is anything wrong with things like Sparknotes, as they often help better explain the material, and still require some studying and effort by the student.

    1. Re:I Think This is Good by elpgrrrl · · Score: 1
      EmotionToilet said: Besides, I don't think it's right that richer people are able to buy their way through college and then act the part of a trained professional.

      ET is on the right track because for the most part, currently only "richer people" get into higher ed these days ---- at least when it comes to "elite" and "prestigious" colleges and universities, as reviewed in Scandals of Higher Education from the March 29, 2007 issue of New York Review of Books. In it, William Bowen, co-author of Equity and Excellence in American Higher Education, one of six books reviewed for the article, states that:

      the sense of democratic legitimacy is undermined if people believe that the rich are admitted to selective colleges and universities regardless of merit while able and deserving candidates from more modest backgrounds are turned away.
      But why do students pay for papers in the first place? Maybe part of it is lack of time, interest, and the fact that too many students attend college with no good reason for being there in the first place. However, according to Andrew Delbanco, who reviewed the books, that fact remains that, "[...] there are very few poor students at America's top colleges, and a large and growing number of rich ones." In addition, Delbanco includes a quintessential anecdote regarding the issue of what amounts to pay for parchment:

      To make his case, he (Golden) has assembled an anthology of sordid stories intended to show how the rich rig the system to get what they want. It all reminds me of a story I have on good authority about a meeting at a New York City private school of high school seniors with their college counselor. The counselor, trying to help them prepare for their college interviews, asked what they would say about what special contribution they would bring to the college of their choice. "I'm very outgoing," said one. "I'm passionate about community service," said another. The discussion took an unexpected twist when one young man said, simply, "a library." "What do you mean, a library?" asked the counselor, a little taken aback. "Well, my dad said he'd give a library to whatever school I want to go to." Golden's book amounts to the charge that colleges are lining up to take Dad up on his offer.
      Meanwhile, maybe the question should be, who doesn't need to pay for papers when all that is needed is for dad or mom to cough up a library or chemistry building? For the most part, a lot of this is trumped by the fact that the founders of Google are graduates of Stanford, a noteworthy university, and one I know that still routinely recruits people of all races and income levels.

      While lawyers or doctors would eventually get tripped up with post-graduate competency tests and residency requirements, on the flip side, who audits the merits of those in business beyond the odd CPA examined graduate? Because as we all know now, we need only look at the track record of our 43rd President, and the Enron and Worldcom scandals to get the correct answer to that question.
  71. "Ban" is a loaded word by blamanj · · Score: 1

    It's interesting how quickly the topic of censorship arises in the context of the word "ban." Imagine instead if the headline had stated "Google no longer to accept advertising dollars from essay services". Just like any other business, Google is free to choose who they take money from. We've certainly seen cases before where radio and TV broadcasters choose not to run ads they find offensive or misleading.

    That said, as Google dominates the search market, they do have to be aware of the kind of power they wield. As the defenders of Microsoft are quick to point out, being a monopoly is not illegal, it's what you do once you've reached that state that matters.

  72. Just like everyone else in the universe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to "Do No Evil"

  73. Re:Google worse than Micro$oft by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

    This almost makes me, a commie Linux user, hope for M$ to destroy them.


    I'm not keen on companies getting "destroyed". But it would be better if Google didn't have a quasi-monopoly on search/ads; as it is right now, they do have the power to destroy companies at their whim.
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  74. Medical point of view by DrYak · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Eat Prozac ! It will make you suicidal!!"
    Personal experience FTW :)


    Fluoxetin the ative stuff in Prozac, as well as other "selective seretonie-reuptake inhibitors", has a complex (and slow) dynamics.
    Depression, in an oversimplified way, can be said to have 2 interesting characteristics : it makes one very negative. But it also removes most will power (the patient becomes apathic and doesn't do anything apart maybe occasionally complaining).
    Again in an oversimplified way, SSRI-class drugs will have a faster effect on the apathy than on the mood. Thus there's a time-window during which the patient starts to act much, but still hates everything including himself and has a very negative self-image. As now, unlikely what was before, he *has* the willpower and can act more easily, there's a risk he may commit suicide.
    Thus good follow-up is necessary. It's not a therapy someone attempts on his own decision, alone at home, without seeing a doctor.

    This is one of the main reason I think drug advertising should be banned : drugs are complex stuff, and it should be the doctor's job to decide when to use what. Not the decision of the patient and people shouldn't be massively brainwashed by the drug corporation's propaganda. The patient's decision is only to ask for help and then to accept or decline what a doctor proposes.
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  75. Keywords are pretty flimsy by ccady · · Score: 1

    >> which now join other items on the banned list such as tobacco, drugs, weapons, and prostitution

    Sure, the goog doesn't allow ads for "tobacco" and "cigarettes", but they do for "tobaccos" and "cigarette holders." No ads for "prostitution", but they allow "sex for sale." "Weapons" and "handguns" -- no problem. "Drugs"? Yep.

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  76. Tabacco ads are banned? by z-j-y · · Score: 1
    why is that? Yes it has a bad name but it is still legal in almost everywhere. What moral basis does Google base the decision on?

    Sure scientific studies have definitive proof that 2nd hand smoking is going to kill you and rape your corpse. But it's nothing like Global Warming. Google should ban car ads before anything else.

  77. Ironic or just me? by Vexor · · Score: 1
    There is an add on this very page.

    Essays

    Over 30,000 available online download one today!

    DueNow.com/Essays/

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  78. legitimacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Managing director Matthew Wilson says this will punish the legitimate, transparent companies, which sell essays, but which warn students that they must not be used dishonestly"

    Just like the drug companies that will sell you crack...but they warn you first that it must not be used in a harmful way, so they're legit!

  79. Whores but not sluts by Digana · · Score: 1

    I've always found it amusing how Google censors prostitutes but not pornography. It's ok if thousands of people profit enjoy your sex services at once, but not if only one or a few do it at a time.

  80. You paid $1000 for that?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I miss something here?

    With that kind of money, wouldn't it be easier to just hire somebody to blackmail your professor?