It's designed to collect traffic metadata, where the basic unit of reference is the flow, defined as the source and destination IP address pair, the matching source and destination port for protocols that use them, the protocol identifier, time started and ended, number of packets sent, number of bytes sent, and a few other fields that have varied somewhat over the NetFlow versions.
Alert the authorities. The three-letter folks want to get some of this metadata!
Relatively few drug addicts are in prison merely for being addicted to drugs. I'm sure there's some notable exceptions for people with an endless string of possession-only related crimes, but it's the robbing your neighbors blind to get money for drugs that mostly does these people in.
I can't remember which I became familiar with first.
Sweet Emotion came out in '75, before I was much of a music fan. I recall being truly introduced to it in '85 or so....but I don't think that I honestly understood the line.
The MASH episode aired in early '78. We watched MASH in my house, so I'm sure I saw it when it aired, but I'm not sure I had put all the pieces together at the first run of the episode; I was a gradeschooler then.
Probably shortly after getting acquainted to Sweet Emotion in the mid-80's did I put it all together. I suspect it was a combination of Aerosmith, MASH reruns and getting older.
Part of the Tesla's magic is a USB connection where you'd expect an ODB2 port.
My Leaf, at least, still has an ODB2 connector, and I can read the individual battery values with my $12 bluetooth ODB2 dongle and my phone.
That said, I wonder how they do vehicle "emissions" testings. Here in Arizona, you just pull up, the plug in by ODB2, make sure you don't have faults, and send you on their way. [I'm sure there's a process. I just wonder what it is.]
Your average SD or FW post is just good deals - people posting things on sale or clearance, your basic YMMV closeout....plus the usual kickback from referral sites.
Your average SD or FW power user is busy combining those deals with price-matches to things that are obviously after-rebate or typos on models in competitive ads, etc.
There's a fine line between straight up fraud and obviously unethical (but within the rules) behavior by frequenters of deal sites.
Your average SD or FW user will gladly stack unintended coupons, order obvious price errors, price-match to after-rebate prices; they'll cycle and trade online payments to churn giftcards and reward points -- all because the fine print allows them to. Once you've decided that, "Hey, the system lets you, so it's fair game," or "They screw us, so lets screw them," it's not far to just trying to redeem codes by trial and error.
Right now, the ONLY thing that is preventing me from getting a Tesla is that I have to travel longer than 500 miles a few times a year, and renting a car for a week, three times a year is too expensive an option
Odd.
I'm a pretty firm believer that if you're going to drive 500 miles, renting a car is almost always a better option in terms of the wear and tear on your own car. [Obviously if you're leasing and under your mileage quota, things change, etc. etc.] I suppose it breaks down to what a week is (3-5 days? 7-10 days?) and how far longer than 500 is. Car rentals for non-luxury vehicles, especially for anyone who rents regularly are easily had in the sub-$40 range. Econoboxes are cheaper, but rarely enough cheaper to justify. On a whim, with no notice or club status, It's $44 a day for me to pick up a "mid-size" or "intermediate" (Sentra, Corolla, Fusion, Malabu) right now in my town.
At $334 a week, if you're only driving 500 miles, you're probably not ahead.
But 5 days and 600 miles -- Those 37c/mile probably come out ahead nicely with actual wear and tear on your car. AAA thinks so. *shrug*
Even if it's only a small loss over driving your own car (in terms of big picture wear and tear), it might be overall worth it after switching to a Tesla.
So if you remove the tax credits, then take into account that as more people buy electric cars, electricity rates will rise while gas prices may actually start to fall (production vs. demand), you'll find all your nice numbers go away in a big, big hurry.
Now who's imagining things? The tax credit exists. As long as it does, the Leaf is cheaper.
Electric cars may well have their day, but that day isn't today and it won't be tomorrow either.
The argument there is that the anti-gay business contributes taxes as well... As long as everyone pays taxes for their share of the basic infrastructure...
While I'll be happy to admit that there are indeed a few people who actually benefit from a Leaf, the broader issue is that very few people actually do, most gain nothing from it, even those who fit "the profile" of an electric car driver.
There's not much of a profile of an electric driver. If you live in a city like mine, you just go about your business like normal, except you never stop at a gas station, ever, because your car gets charged at home, at the store, at the movies, pretty much wherever you go, with the added benefit of good parking spaces:)
You bring up the garage issue, that is actually a good one. Those who think electric cars will "take over" from gas cars in 10-20 years are completely missing the problem of where to park and charge at home. Only a fraction of car owners in this price range have a garage.
Leaf owners have been charging in carports for a while now, and it's not hard. It's just shared parking where there's no assigned spots, etc. where you've got a problem. Also, as electrics increase, chargers will increase. It's a simple, inexpensive amenity to add to communal areas.
You bring up the "It's environmentally friendly" point. Is it? Really?
Yes. It is. In short, in the worst of states, again, like Oklahoma or Kansas, you polute like a 40mpg car, and there aren't a lot of those -- you're at least competing with the very best gas cars. In the pacific northwest, you'd have to get nearly 70mpg to beat an electric in terms of pollution....and this DOES account for battery overhead. This NYT map is a little optimistic, but it's a good representation of where power is cleaner. http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
If the Leaf were $5K LESS to buy than the Civic, then you'd have something, a real arguement for why it makes sense to take the chance, but it doesn't, it costs more and "maybe" saves some money in fuel costs.
It doesn't cost more to lease, and that's per month - on a very simple timeline with guaranteed maintenance and obvious costs with a very low mileage estimate. No maybe. No risk. Just pay less money each month to drive a car. You can't still be denying that, can you?
To some extent this happens in businesses already. More than once have I gone through the checkout at a grocery or big-box store only to have the cashier have to step aside so someone not deeply religious could process my alcohol or pork.
...maybe not my pork, but you get the idea, and it's happened to other's pork.
This is one of those times where my principles likely disagree with what I think is right.
One of the incidents at the root of these recent attempts at laws was a wedding photographer who elected not to be the photographer for a gay wedding, because, well, his invisible sky person doesn't believe in anything other than man+woman=marriage.
Should the photographer be forced to be the photographer for the wedding because he wasn't already booked that day?
It's obviously stupid that the gay couple would want the anti-gay photographer to shoot their wedding, but why can't the photographer refuse? Can he refuse to shoot May-December couples? Blacks? Whites? Little people? Pepsi drinkers? Mensa members?
It's obvious to me -- in that it trips my bullshit meter -- that posting a sign at the Circle K on the corner that says, "Sorry, no homos." is wrong - deeply wrong - but I can't make a logical argument against the business that doesn't get into businesses being dependent on roads and police and fire and other government services, and as such, the government can make rules that force you to cater to your enemies. Businesses need licenses, and depend on state services -- after that, I got nothing. Let the shitty businesses out themselves as close-minded bigots.
Sales isn't an indicator of what's best. Unless Starbucks is the world's best coffee. Is it?
Short answer? It's not suitable for everyone, not suitable in a lot of geographic markets, not particularly stylish, and fairly misunderstood.
First, the Leaf certainly isn't for everyone. Although I believe a Leaf fits nicely in most two-car families, the Leaf certainly only fits a certain class of driver. Take 100 possible car owners, and strike everyone who can't do their day-to-day driving on, lets say, 75 miles. Subtract again everyone who lives in a city that doesn't have a good concentration of charging options. [A family friend from Louisiana showed me the only charger near her were at the dealerships - while I've got 500+ and new ones every day in Arizona.] Subtract again a small number of non-leasers who can't benefit from the tax credit. Subtract everyone who lives in an apartment complex or who parks in the condo's garage without a dedicated place to charge.
Of those 100 people, 100 of them can still opt for a Honda Civic, and perhaps only 50 or 20 or 10 of them can opt for a Nissan Leaf. [The number could be anything. I don't have a population density to charger density decoder ring for anything but a few cities I've happened to glance at...]
So, you've probably reduced your possible population to a third of what it could be. That doesn't account for 100:1 against, but if the Leaf is one of 10 cars in its price range, it only needs to sell 1:10 to be average.
Other factors contribute. Frankly people don't realize it exists. They don't realize they're one of the (maybe) 1 in 3 car purchasers who might be able to use a Leaf to drive cheaper than a Civic. They think it can only go 40 miles, like the electric part of a Volt, or they think it's slow. It comes with a lot of misconceptions.
Further, while ugly is subjective, it's certainly not a flashy car. I get a lot more looks and glances at the charging stations than I ever got driving a sports car. [In it's own way, it's a head turner.]
Add those two together, and the 30 who could buy it are probably 10.
Of those 10, there's still 10 cars they *could* choose. The Leaf is just one of their options.
There are pluses of course: It's environmentally friendly. It's another can of worms, and your local grid's electrical makeup contribute, but unless you're in an area that burns coal day and night (I'm talking to you, Oklahoma!), you're beating the CO2 outputs of vehicles not getting 50+MPG -- and that's after including huge overheads for battery production and disposal. The Leaf wins a few people over here.
So those 10 people who could choose a leaf, they can consider a number of vehicles. If they drive an average amount - or even 65% of the average amount, and they bother to do some TCO calculations, they'll see they'll come out ahead on a lease over similar cars, and they'll know their gas savings start to beat car options in years 3-4-5-6 depending on the cars it's up against, their driving habits and their mileage.
Of course, nobody knows what a 10 year old Leaf performs like, if at all. We've got a damned good idea what a 10 year old Civic does. It's year's 7+ that are a mystery. So you calculate your average economy driver's $1500 a year in gas savings after the car is paid off against the mystery of what happens in the car's late years.
So, I'm not sure anything is "wrong" with the Leaf, other than that it's not suitable for a lot of people, not stylish for enough people, and those for whom it is suitable might not be aware of what it can actually do for them.
A mid-level Civic is about $200/month to lease, a mid-level Leaf is about $300/month to lease, I've seen those numbers posted by multiple people, your lease numbers are maybe what is in the dealer ads, but I doubt very many people pay those.
Good lord, get the actual numbers. I did. Those are national numbers. Those are the numbers in the national commercials, and those are the numbers we were offered when we chose our car. Those offers are on the dealer's websites right now.
You keep moving the goalposts and ignoring reason every time you get it wrong.
When all is said and done, over 3 years, at best the Leaf is a wash in costs (using your numbers) and a bit behind in using my numbers.
Are you blind? Deaf? Does someone dictate these posts to you and make up new numbers? Do you have some bizarre greasemonkey script that jumbles digits? Did you ignore the fact that I included an estimate of way less than 15,000 a year -- which is the national average. [I used 9600, or a paltry 64% of the national average, and a number well under lease penalties for mileage.]
The cost of an entry level Leaf versus an entry level Civic is $40 less a month with only 800 miles driven per month -- WAY WAY below the national average. If you want to figure out the price of mid-level leases without national incentives or offers, do it, but stop just pretending you did your homework. The $199 lease was $234 here after all the dressing and taxes was put on top of it. We're paying 35$ more for the mid-level lease (our total is $269).
It's NOT A WASH by my numbers. By my numbers, driving WAY LESS than the national average, you save $1440 over the life of the lease.
Even comparing the mid-level Leaf lease to the entry-level Civic, you still come out slightly ahead only driving 800 miles a month.
People who prefer another car should get one. People who's needs are better suited by another car should get one.
...but stop pretending that either the purchase or a lease of a new Leaf isn't better financially after 3 years.
Just keep ignoring everything above and making new arguments.
The fact that people buy car-A doesn't mean that car-B might not have been a better choice for for them. Starbucks sells a lot of coffee, but that doesn't make them the best.
That said, there's a lot of factors: Not every market has high deployment of chargers. Range still doesn't make sense for a lot of users, making it not an option they can consider. It's new, and not everyone for whom they could potentially be a good car choice for are aware of them. It's not a pretty car, and people like pretty. The list goes on and on....but, for the last time, my response was a simple economic one.
The people who, like you, put up a simple cost comparison and bad break-even numbers -- they were wrong.
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It's designed to collect traffic metadata, where the basic unit of reference is the flow, defined as the source and destination IP address pair, the matching source and destination port for protocols that use them, the protocol identifier, time started and ended, number of packets sent, number of bytes sent, and a few other fields that have varied somewhat over the NetFlow versions.
Alert the authorities. The three-letter folks want to get some of this metadata!
You might know what transactions came from a wallet, but you don't know which wallet is mine.
Also, without a parallel log of some sort, it's impossible to know what a particular transaction was for -- only which wallets it passed through.
Relatively few drug addicts are in prison merely for being addicted to drugs. I'm sure there's some notable exceptions for people with an endless string of possession-only related crimes, but it's the robbing your neighbors blind to get money for drugs that mostly does these people in.
I can't remember which I became familiar with first.
Sweet Emotion came out in '75, before I was much of a music fan. I recall being truly introduced to it in '85 or so. ...but I don't think that I honestly understood the line.
The MASH episode aired in early '78. We watched MASH in my house, so I'm sure I saw it when it aired, but I'm not sure I had put all the pieces together at the first run of the episode; I was a gradeschooler then.
Probably shortly after getting acquainted to Sweet Emotion in the mid-80's did I put it all together. I suspect it was a combination of Aerosmith, MASH reruns and getting older.
*shrug*
Part of the Tesla's magic is a USB connection where you'd expect an ODB2 port.
My Leaf, at least, still has an ODB2 connector, and I can read the individual battery values with my $12 bluetooth ODB2 dongle and my phone.
That said, I wonder how they do vehicle "emissions" testings. Here in Arizona, you just pull up, the plug in by ODB2, make sure you don't have faults, and send you on their way. [I'm sure there's a process. I just wonder what it is.]
Thank you for illustrating my point.
Your average SD or FW post is just good deals - people posting things on sale or clearance, your basic YMMV closeout. ...plus the usual kickback from referral sites.
Your average SD or FW power user is busy combining those deals with price-matches to things that are obviously after-rebate or typos on models in competitive ads, etc.
"Gaming" the rules is the same as following them.
To the autistic, with no understanding of (or regard to) ethics or morality, you're 100% correct.
There's a fine line between straight up fraud and obviously unethical (but within the rules) behavior by frequenters of deal sites.
Your average SD or FW user will gladly stack unintended coupons, order obvious price errors, price-match to after-rebate prices; they'll cycle and trade online payments to churn giftcards and reward points -- all because the fine print allows them to. Once you've decided that, "Hey, the system lets you, so it's fair game," or "They screw us, so lets screw them," it's not far to just trying to redeem codes by trial and error.
Along the same lines, I imagine kids today have no idea what The Rabbit Done Died means.
I recall watching MASH* as a kid and still knowing the reference. I imagine it's all but forgotten today.
[Wikipedia tells me S6, Ep19...]
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Right now, the ONLY thing that is preventing me from getting a Tesla is that I have to travel longer than 500 miles a few times a year, and renting a car for a week, three times a year is too expensive an option
Odd.
I'm a pretty firm believer that if you're going to drive 500 miles, renting a car is almost always a better option in terms of the wear and tear on your own car. [Obviously if you're leasing and under your mileage quota, things change, etc. etc.] I suppose it breaks down to what a week is (3-5 days? 7-10 days?) and how far longer than 500 is. Car rentals for non-luxury vehicles, especially for anyone who rents regularly are easily had in the sub-$40 range. Econoboxes are cheaper, but rarely enough cheaper to justify. On a whim, with no notice or club status, It's $44 a day for me to pick up a "mid-size" or "intermediate" (Sentra, Corolla, Fusion, Malabu) right now in my town.
At $334 a week, if you're only driving 500 miles, you're probably not ahead.
But 5 days and 600 miles -- Those 37c/mile probably come out ahead nicely with actual wear and tear on your car. AAA thinks so. *shrug*
Even if it's only a small loss over driving your own car (in terms of big picture wear and tear), it might be overall worth it after switching to a Tesla.
So if you remove the tax credits, then take into account that as more people buy electric cars, electricity rates will rise while gas prices may actually start to fall (production vs. demand), you'll find all your nice numbers go away in a big, big hurry.
Now who's imagining things? The tax credit exists. As long as it does, the Leaf is cheaper.
Electric cars may well have their day, but that day isn't today and it won't be tomorrow either.
Funny. Mine drove just fine today.
The argument there is that the anti-gay business contributes taxes as well... As long as everyone pays taxes for their share of the basic infrastructure...
While I'll be happy to admit that there are indeed a few people who actually benefit from a Leaf, the broader issue is that very few people actually do, most gain nothing from it, even those who fit "the profile" of an electric car driver.
There's not much of a profile of an electric driver. If you live in a city like mine, you just go about your business like normal, except you never stop at a gas station, ever, because your car gets charged at home, at the store, at the movies, pretty much wherever you go, with the added benefit of good parking spaces :)
You bring up the garage issue, that is actually a good one. Those who think electric cars will "take over" from gas cars in 10-20 years are completely missing the problem of where to park and charge at home. Only a fraction of car owners in this price range have a garage.
Leaf owners have been charging in carports for a while now, and it's not hard. It's just shared parking where there's no assigned spots, etc. where you've got a problem. Also, as electrics increase, chargers will increase. It's a simple, inexpensive amenity to add to communal areas.
You bring up the "It's environmentally friendly" point. Is it? Really?
Yes. It is. In short, in the worst of states, again, like Oklahoma or Kansas, you polute like a 40mpg car, and there aren't a lot of those -- you're at least competing with the very best gas cars. In the pacific northwest, you'd have to get nearly 70mpg to beat an electric in terms of pollution. ...and this DOES account for battery overhead. This NYT map is a little optimistic, but it's a good representation of where power is cleaner.
http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
If the Leaf were $5K LESS to buy than the Civic, then you'd have something, a real arguement for why it makes sense to take the chance, but it doesn't, it costs more and "maybe" saves some money in fuel costs.
It doesn't cost more to lease, and that's per month - on a very simple timeline with guaranteed maintenance and obvious costs with a very low mileage estimate. No maybe. No risk. Just pay less money each month to drive a car. You can't still be denying that, can you?
I think Brewer just wants 5 days in the news during her veto window.
She's a political animal of the highest caliber. [See: Obama finger-wag.]
To some extent this happens in businesses already. More than once have I gone through the checkout at a grocery or big-box store only to have the cashier have to step aside so someone not deeply religious could process my alcohol or pork.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fin...
In short, they don't serve my kind!
No. It would be similar to allowing restaurants to refuse to serve black customers.
It would be exactly like allowing restaurants to refuse to serve black customers, or have a separate black customer price sheet.
This is one of those times where my principles likely disagree with what I think is right.
One of the incidents at the root of these recent attempts at laws was a wedding photographer who elected not to be the photographer for a gay wedding, because, well, his invisible sky person doesn't believe in anything other than man+woman=marriage.
Should the photographer be forced to be the photographer for the wedding because he wasn't already booked that day?
It's obviously stupid that the gay couple would want the anti-gay photographer to shoot their wedding, but why can't the photographer refuse? Can he refuse to shoot May-December couples? Blacks? Whites? Little people? Pepsi drinkers? Mensa members?
It's obvious to me -- in that it trips my bullshit meter -- that posting a sign at the Circle K on the corner that says, "Sorry, no homos." is wrong - deeply wrong - but I can't make a logical argument against the business that doesn't get into businesses being dependent on roads and police and fire and other government services, and as such, the government can make rules that force you to cater to your enemies. Businesses need licenses, and depend on state services -- after that, I got nothing. Let the shitty businesses out themselves as close-minded bigots.
Religion is for people too stupid to understand and/or process real-world information.
Too stupid to understand science? Try religion!
I don't.
I only argue that it's cost effective for the average driver over similarly styled cars -- e.g. the Versa Note.
Why isn't the Leaf selling?
I answered that too already, but I'll restate it.
Sales isn't an indicator of what's best. Unless Starbucks is the world's best coffee. Is it?
Short answer? It's not suitable for everyone, not suitable in a lot of geographic markets, not particularly stylish, and fairly misunderstood.
First, the Leaf certainly isn't for everyone. Although I believe a Leaf fits nicely in most two-car families, the Leaf certainly only fits a certain class of driver. Take 100 possible car owners, and strike everyone who can't do their day-to-day driving on, lets say, 75 miles. Subtract again everyone who lives in a city that doesn't have a good concentration of charging options. [A family friend from Louisiana showed me the only charger near her were at the dealerships - while I've got 500+ and new ones every day in Arizona.] Subtract again a small number of non-leasers who can't benefit from the tax credit. Subtract everyone who lives in an apartment complex or who parks in the condo's garage without a dedicated place to charge.
Of those 100 people, 100 of them can still opt for a Honda Civic, and perhaps only 50 or 20 or 10 of them can opt for a Nissan Leaf. [The number could be anything. I don't have a population density to charger density decoder ring for anything but a few cities I've happened to glance at...]
So, you've probably reduced your possible population to a third of what it could be. That doesn't account for 100:1 against, but if the Leaf is one of 10 cars in its price range, it only needs to sell 1:10 to be average.
Other factors contribute. Frankly people don't realize it exists. They don't realize they're one of the (maybe) 1 in 3 car purchasers who might be able to use a Leaf to drive cheaper than a Civic. They think it can only go 40 miles, like the electric part of a Volt, or they think it's slow. It comes with a lot of misconceptions.
Further, while ugly is subjective, it's certainly not a flashy car. I get a lot more looks and glances at the charging stations than I ever got driving a sports car. [In it's own way, it's a head turner.]
Add those two together, and the 30 who could buy it are probably 10.
Of those 10, there's still 10 cars they *could* choose. The Leaf is just one of their options.
There are pluses of course: It's environmentally friendly. It's another can of worms, and your local grid's electrical makeup contribute, but unless you're in an area that burns coal day and night (I'm talking to you, Oklahoma!), you're beating the CO2 outputs of vehicles not getting 50+MPG -- and that's after including huge overheads for battery production and disposal. The Leaf wins a few people over here.
So those 10 people who could choose a leaf, they can consider a number of vehicles. If they drive an average amount - or even 65% of the average amount, and they bother to do some TCO calculations, they'll see they'll come out ahead on a lease over similar cars, and they'll know their gas savings start to beat car options in years 3-4-5-6 depending on the cars it's up against, their driving habits and their mileage.
Of course, nobody knows what a 10 year old Leaf performs like, if at all. We've got a damned good idea what a 10 year old Civic does. It's year's 7+ that are a mystery. So you calculate your average economy driver's $1500 a year in gas savings after the car is paid off against the mystery of what happens in the car's late years.
So, I'm not sure anything is "wrong" with the Leaf, other than that it's not suitable for a lot of people, not stylish for enough people, and those for whom it is suitable might not be aware of what it can actually do for them.
A mid-level Civic is about $200/month to lease, a mid-level Leaf is about $300/month to lease, I've seen those numbers posted by multiple people, your lease numbers are maybe what is in the dealer ads, but I doubt very many people pay those.
Good lord, get the actual numbers. I did. Those are national numbers. Those are the numbers in the national commercials, and those are the numbers we were offered when we chose our car. Those offers are on the dealer's websites right now.
You keep moving the goalposts and ignoring reason every time you get it wrong.
When all is said and done, over 3 years, at best the Leaf is a wash in costs (using your numbers) and a bit behind in using my numbers.
Are you blind? Deaf? Does someone dictate these posts to you and make up new numbers? Do you have some bizarre greasemonkey script that jumbles digits? Did you ignore the fact that I included an estimate of way less than 15,000 a year -- which is the national average. [I used 9600, or a paltry 64% of the national average, and a number well under lease penalties for mileage.]
The cost of an entry level Leaf versus an entry level Civic is $40 less a month with only 800 miles driven per month -- WAY WAY below the national average. If you want to figure out the price of mid-level leases without national incentives or offers, do it, but stop just pretending you did your homework. The $199 lease was $234 here after all the dressing and taxes was put on top of it. We're paying 35$ more for the mid-level lease (our total is $269).
It's NOT A WASH by my numbers. By my numbers, driving WAY LESS than the national average, you save $1440 over the life of the lease.
Even comparing the mid-level Leaf lease to the entry-level Civic, you still come out slightly ahead only driving 800 miles a month.
People who prefer another car should get one.
People who's needs are better suited by another car should get one.
Just keep ignoring everything above and making new arguments.
The fact that people buy car-A doesn't mean that car-B might not have been a better choice for for them. Starbucks sells a lot of coffee, but that doesn't make them the best.
That said, there's a lot of factors: Not every market has high deployment of chargers. Range still doesn't make sense for a lot of users, making it not an option they can consider. It's new, and not everyone for whom they could potentially be a good car choice for are aware of them. It's not a pretty car, and people like pretty. The list goes on and on. ...but, for the last time, my response was a simple economic one.
The people who, like you, put up a simple cost comparison and bad break-even numbers -- they were wrong.
Good luck buying $10,000 worth of bitcoins with a $6,000 diamond.