Show me some real evidence to support your assertions. Your arguments make sense and some have suggested that the amounts are driven by demand. I so far haven't seen any evidence but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
Reducing the amount of REFINED fuel (in this case diesel vs. gasoline) and saving $ != reducing crude oil consumption. Per http://www.api.org/classroom/tools/upload/oilfacts _rgb.pdf, a barrel of crude oil produces many products but it produces 2x the amount of gasoline as it does diesel. So, getting 60 mpg of diesel used the same amount of mostly imported foreign oil as a 30 mpg gasoline car.
From what I've read, the taxation system in Europe is goofy and setup in such a way that diesel is much cheaper than gasoline. So, of course it makes sense to sell lots of diesels there.
What are these maintenances hassles? There aren't any. The hybrid battery is warranted for 10 years/150K miles in CA and a few other states. It's 8 year/100K miles for everyone else. http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse3.htm is at 280K miles on his previous gen Prius on the original battery.
As for your misinformation about high-mileage range, the Prius can only go a couple miles on electric alone and can be on electric only at 42 mph max. The rest of the time, it's providing assist. If you accelerate VERY slowly, you can accelerate on electric only. When you're braking and coasting, you're regenerating and recapturing some of that kinetic energy instead of having it become useless heat and brake dust.
There are documented cases of people still on the original brake pads after 100K miles due to the minimal brake wear. That's a savings in maintenance.
despite his post being labeled a troll, he's right
on
Japanese Mileage Maniacs
·
· Score: 2, Informative
Per http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/fetrends/420s0600 3.htm, the average curb weight of 2006 model year vehicles sold in the US was 4142 lbs. 50% of them were "light trucks" which includes SUVs, minivans, pickups and some vans.
There are an insane # of solo and/or soccer mom driven 5000+ lb. SUVs such as Ford Expeditions, Chevy Suburbans, Yukons, Tahoes and Lincoln Navigators. Hummer H2s are even worse w/ 6400 lb. curb weight. They're exempt from even being TESTED for mileage and don't even count against GM's CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy Numbers) per http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml because they have over 8500 lb. GVWR.
They're gross polluters and a danger to other drivers.
As for "35 mpg" cheap city car, what mileage #s are you quoting? The current EPA mileage estimates are quite overinflated, esp. city. For example, when Consumer Reports tested an 06 Civic EX w/1.8L 4 and 5 speed auto, they got 18 city, 43 highway for an overall mileage of 28 mpg. They hybrid version got 26 city, 47 highway, 37 overall. You can see a list of vehicles w/top gas mileage at http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/buyingleas ing/most-fuelefficient-cars-206/index.htm. The only one that even gets 35 city is the Prius. The next best get 28 or 26 mpg city. The Yaris is a crap car and the Honda Fit is very slow (even slower than a Prius).
The regenerative braking really cuts down on brake wear. If you're light on the brakes, you're doing regen almost the whole time until you're down below ~5 mph when the Prius switches to friction brakes. There are documented cases where Prius owners are still on the original pads after 100K miles. That's a pretty significant cost savings in itself.
Hybrids are not tied to a particular fuel source such as gasoline. There can be ethanol based hybrids and there are diesel hybrids already.
That said, reducing the amount of REFINED fuel and saving $ != reducing crude oil consumption. Per http://www.api.org/classroom/tools/upload/oilfacts _rgb.pdf, a barrel of crude oil produces many products but it produces 2x the amount of gasoline as it does diesel. So, getting 60 mpg of diesel used the same amount of mostly imported foreign oil as a 30 mpg gasoline car.
A Prius doesn't have an alternator, the inverter works to charge the 12V aux/accessory battery. It doesn't have a starter either, MG1 acts as the starter.
One of them achieves 59 (US) mpg in a non-hybrid 2005 Honda Accord by adopting crazy hypermiling techniques. See http://hybridfest.com/MotherJones.htm.
"Is there a recycling plan in place for nickel-metal hydride batteries?
Toyota has a comprehensive battery recycling program in place and has been recycling nickel-metal hydride batteries since the RAV4 Electric Vehicle was introduced in 1998. Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled. To ensure that batteries come back to Toyota, each battery has a phone number on it to call for recycling information and dealers are paid a $200 "bounty" for each battery."
Did you know that CNW claims that the Prius costs $325K to DISPOSE while they claim it cost $13K to make it? Did you that a VW Phaeton the sold for $64K to ~$100K incurs $2.5 MILLION in disposal costs? This is the type of crap that CNW spews out.
It also makes perfect (!) sense that they claim a Prius only lasts 100K miles when the HV battery is warranted for 10 years/150K miles in CA and a few other states. The Prius also has an excellent reliability record while the Hummer H2 has a terrible one... so therefore, the terrible one should last 300K miles. Right....
I totally agree. I didn't "get" was the big deal was about the iPod until I actually owned one (got it for free via TiVo rewards program). I just used to think it was another MP3 player w/a nice industrial design. When the 1st gen iPod came out and was Mac only, I was amazed by its small size (at the time) for hard drive based player but was turned off by it being Mac only and its high price.
I've owned other MP3 players (Diamond Rio PMP300, PMP500 and Creative Nomad II) and in comparison, the whole experience of those was TERRIBLE. The sync/transfer software sucked, the transfers were slow (only USB 1.1 or parallel back then), I had to use other software to rip to MP3 to rip to WAV and then convert to MP3, there was no notable music stores, etc.
In comparison, iTunes to rip CD just works and gets all its metadata via Gracenote CDDB. Just put in a CD and click Import. iTMS has a pretty good selection and the buying experience is painless. The previews come up quick and they make it so easy to find other music you might like via user submitted iMixes, "listeners also bought" and their music charts. The syncing experience is easy and pretty quick and I like iTunes' podcast support.
He was complaining about how bad the Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra was vs. the iPod back then. To be fair, I'm pretty sure an iTunes install makes you reboot too. I'm guessing he was just pointing that out that in theory, out of the box, if you use WMP, you shouldn't need a reboot.
85 watts for a pump is pretty darn high to a cool a system.
For comparison, with a Kill A Watt (http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P 4400/P4400-CE.html), I've measured my non-overclocked Athlon 64 3200+ machine w/2 hard drives and 2 video cards draws ~101 watts at idle and ~130 watts when the CPU is maxed out by distributed.net RC5 client. IIRC, when running 3DMark06, it went up to ~150 watts.
I'm an alum and yeah, I got the email this morning, automatically sent to my junk mail folder on Hotmail.:/ At first, I thought it was another one of those phishing attempts but then after typing the URL myself and looking around on the press, it turned out to be real .:(
I filed a fraud alert w/Experian and looked at my free online credit report. Fortunately, nothing looked out of the ordinary but I'm waiting for the two other agencies...
I'm a fan of both TOS and the "remake" aka TNS of Battlestar Galactica, but it always bothers me to hear statements like "the series is so good...Battlestar Galactica has been the most popular program ever to air on the SciFi Channel"
In the grand scheme of things, the ratings that Battlestar Galactica aren't that great and being the most "popular" program to air on SciFi doesn't mean much either.
Yeah, I remember hearing about vertical/perpendicular recording on TV >10 years ago (I think a Seagate exec was talking about it at the time). It's strange that it's come to light again. Maybe it was still all experimental all this time.
I dug around and found these articles on it from a few years ago: http://www.internetnews.com/storage/print.ph p/1501 631 http://www.my-esm.com/showArticle.jhtml?artic leID= 14704826
Big deal. Considering their hardware is custom and they're not just buying off the shelf motherboards andparts, of course they're going to need thermal engineers.
Even if they're coming out w/more G4 laptops, they're still going to need thermal engineers.
To answer the poster's questions: 1) Yes, I've heard of it. Some people I talked to while wandering at CES told me about it. 2) No, I'm not, but I'm not that interested, yet. 3) We've had HDTV over the air broadcasts in the Seattle area for several years now. There wasn't a lot of watch and still isn't IMHO. Comcast digital cable does offer HD over cable now. They offer these channels: KOMO 4: Seattle Market's local ABC station KING 5: Seattle Market's local NBC station KONG 6/16: KCTS: Seattle's local PBS station Q13 Fox: Seattle's Fox station WB22: Seattle's WB station KCTS: Seattle's local PBS station ESPN INHD INHD2 Starz! HBO Cinemax Showtime
I did have their cable box for HD and at the time, I didn't have that many HD channels. However, I only watched 1 show in HD, everything else I watched was pretty much non-major network and just standard def. So, it wasn't worth it esp. since I can't record in HD on my Tivos and I actually had to sit in front of my TV at 9 pm on Sundays to watch Alias in HD. How barbaric! The horror!
The extra fees and the above drawback made it not worth it for me.
It's cool that there's finally some article on this. Some guy at work posted a message on an internal message board about this phenomena and I even posted an inquiry on avsforum.com and don't remember getting any responses.
Basically, he said went to a gethering of Halo players on Xbox. Some guys brought direct view CRT TVs and some brought Infocus X1 projectors (I have 1 myself). The guys w/the projectors wanted to use the direct view TVs and they told him he could use the projectors. The reason was that apparently people w/the regular TVs were kicking the butts of the projector guys due to the delay on the projector. I don't recall if any people swapped roles/display devices to see if the really did throw them off.
I look forward to the day when somebody has done some real world measurements of this on shipping products.
DLP probably does. I have an Infocus X1 projector and it's a progressive only chip, so I'm sure to display an image, it's got to have info from two interlaced frames since TV is interlaced.
As for Tivo, I have 2 Tivos. When you watch "live TV" thru Tivo, you're actually maybe a second or two behind (if you compare to something that's tuned to the same channel that isn't getting video from the Tivo). It's a really a non-issue though since you'll never know it's behind unless you do that or hear people/TV in another room w/o it. But, you would NEVER want to hook up a game console into the video inputs on a Tivo. It'd be unplayable cuz of the delay.
Slashdot Mirror
Yep. Also, the tests would need to be repeatable.
s html
a r.jsp.
For a summary of the test procedure, see:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.
One can also compare old and new MPG estimates at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYe
Show me some real evidence to support your assertions. Your arguments make sense and some have suggested that the amounts are driven by demand. I so far haven't seen any evidence but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
Reducing the amount of REFINED fuel (in this case diesel vs. gasoline) and saving $ != reducing crude oil consumption. Per http://www.api.org/classroom/tools/upload/oilfacts _rgb.pdf, a barrel of crude oil produces many products but it produces 2x the amount of gasoline as it does diesel. So, getting 60 mpg of diesel used the same amount of mostly imported foreign oil as a 30 mpg gasoline car.
From what I've read, the taxation system in Europe is goofy and setup in such a way that diesel is much cheaper than gasoline. So, of course it makes sense to sell lots of diesels there.
What are these maintenances hassles? There aren't any. The hybrid battery is warranted for 10 years/150K miles in CA and a few other states. It's 8 year/100K miles for everyone else. http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse3.htm is at 280K miles on his previous gen Prius on the original battery.
As for your misinformation about high-mileage range, the Prius can only go a couple miles on electric alone and can be on electric only at 42 mph max. The rest of the time, it's providing assist. If you accelerate VERY slowly, you can accelerate on electric only. When you're braking and coasting, you're regenerating and recapturing some of that kinetic energy instead of having it become useless heat and brake dust.
There are documented cases of people still on the original brake pads after 100K miles due to the minimal brake wear. That's a savings in maintenance.
Per http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/fetrends/420s0600 3.htm, the average curb weight of 2006 model year vehicles sold in the US was 4142 lbs. 50% of them were "light trucks" which includes SUVs, minivans, pickups and some vans.
There are an insane # of solo and/or soccer mom driven 5000+ lb. SUVs such as Ford Expeditions, Chevy Suburbans, Yukons, Tahoes and Lincoln Navigators. Hummer H2s are even worse w/ 6400 lb. curb weight. They're exempt from even being TESTED for mileage and don't even count against GM's CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy Numbers) per http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml because they have over 8500 lb. GVWR.
They're gross polluters and a danger to other drivers.
A Prius starts at around $22K. What kind of new car can you buy for ~$7500? Will it have all the features that are in the $22K Prius? Will it be a deathtrap compared to a Prius? You do realize that there still is a tax credit for Priuses of $787.50 per http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=157557,0 0.html and http://www.aceee.org/transportation/hybtaxcred.htm #table. It was $1575 before 3/31/07 and before that it was $3150.
s ing/most-fuelefficient-cars-206/index.htm. The only one that even gets 35 city is the Prius. The next best get 28 or 26 mpg city. The Yaris is a crap car and the Honda Fit is very slow (even slower than a Prius).
4 023460.
As for "35 mpg" cheap city car, what mileage #s are you quoting? The current EPA mileage estimates are quite overinflated, esp. city. For example, when Consumer Reports tested an 06 Civic EX w/1.8L 4 and 5 speed auto, they got 18 city, 43 highway for an overall mileage of 28 mpg. They hybrid version got 26 city, 47 highway, 37 overall. You can see a list of vehicles w/top gas mileage at http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/buyinglea
Consumer Reports found a shortfall in mileage for 90% of the vehicles they tested http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=
The regenerative braking really cuts down on brake wear. If you're light on the brakes, you're doing regen almost the whole time until you're down below ~5 mph when the Prius switches to friction brakes. There are documented cases where Prius owners are still on the original pads after 100K miles. That's a pretty significant cost savings in itself.
Hybrids are not tied to a particular fuel source such as gasoline. There can be ethanol based hybrids and there are diesel hybrids already.
s _rgb.pdf, a barrel of crude oil produces many products but it produces 2x the amount of gasoline as it does diesel. So, getting 60 mpg of diesel used the same amount of mostly imported foreign oil as a 30 mpg gasoline car.
That said, reducing the amount of REFINED fuel and saving $ != reducing crude oil consumption. Per http://www.api.org/classroom/tools/upload/oilfact
The Prius' CVT seems to be mechanically simpler than a conventional automatic transmission. AFAIK there are no clutch plates, no torque converter and only 1 planetary gearset. I took some pictures of FWD and RWD automatic transmissions and put them up at http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=30245&st= 0&p=403617&#entry403617. You can look at what the Prius' CVT/PSD (power split device) look like a little further down and at http://privatenrg.com/#Planetary_Gear. http://eahart.com/prius/psd/ has some more info and a simulator.
A Prius doesn't have an alternator, the inverter works to charge the 12V aux/accessory battery. It doesn't have a starter either, MG1 acts as the starter.
Correct. Also, in CA and a few northeastern states, the hybrid battery warranty is 10 year/150K miles on the Prius and Civic Hybrid.
b rid-taxis-demonstrate-durability-on-new-york-stre/ .
On related news, the 10 Ford Escape hybrids (they use a battery pack from Sanyo instead of Matsushita/Panasonic on Toyota hybrids) used as NYC taxis have all passed 175K miles in less than 2 years per http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/04/ford-escape-hy
http://www.hybridcars.com/blogs/taxi logged 200K miles in 25 months on a previous gen Prius. http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse3.htm is at 280K miles on his previous gen Prius.
These former record holders in the US achieved ~110 mpg in a Prius.d .htm
http://hybridcars.about.com/od/news/a/100mpgrecor
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05220/550484.stm
One of them achieves 59 (US) mpg in a non-hybrid 2005 Honda Accord by adopting crazy hypermiling techniques. See http://hybridfest.com/MotherJones.htm.
The Hummer H2 weighs a whopping 6400 lbs. An 06 Prius weighs 2890 lbs.
First off, the HV batteries are warranted for 10 years/150K miles in CA and a few other states. This guy is at 280K miles BTW. http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse3.htm
y /2004/hybrid.html.
They're also recycled. See http://www.toyota.com/about/environment/technolog
"Is there a recycling plan in place for nickel-metal hydride batteries?
Toyota has a comprehensive battery recycling program in place and has been recycling nickel-metal hydride batteries since the RAV4 Electric Vehicle was introduced in 1998. Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled. To ensure that batteries come back to Toyota, each battery has a phone number on it to call for recycling information and dealers are paid a $200 "bounty" for each battery."
http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse3.htm
5 37&highlight=crock#post2494537 and http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=30444&st= 0&p=403215&#entry403215
n sumer-report-list_x.htm for a ranking of reliability by manufacturer. Hummer is almost dead last.
This CNW story is such crap and its numbers make no sense. It's old news. I posted my critiques of CNW's old news before at http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2494
Did you know that CNW claims that the Prius costs $325K to DISPOSE while they claim it cost $13K to make it? Did you that a VW Phaeton the sold for $64K to ~$100K incurs $2.5 MILLION in disposal costs? This is the type of crap that CNW spews out.
It also makes perfect (!) sense that they claim a Prius only lasts 100K miles when the HV battery is warranted for 10 years/150K miles in CA and a few other states. The Prius also has an excellent reliability record while the Hummer H2 has a terrible one... so therefore, the terrible one should last 300K miles. Right....
See http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-01-co
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY
I totally agree. I didn't "get" was the big deal was about the iPod until I actually owned one (got it for free via TiVo rewards program). I just used to think it was another MP3 player w/a nice industrial design. When the 1st gen iPod came out and was Mac only, I was amazed by its small size (at the time) for hard drive based player but was turned off by it being Mac only and its high price.
I've owned other MP3 players (Diamond Rio PMP300, PMP500 and Creative Nomad II) and in comparison, the whole experience of those was TERRIBLE. The sync/transfer software sucked, the transfers were slow (only USB 1.1 or parallel back then), I had to use other software to rip to MP3 to rip to WAV and then convert to MP3, there was no notable music stores, etc.
In comparison, iTunes to rip CD just works and gets all its metadata via Gracenote CDDB. Just put in a CD and click Import. iTMS has a pretty good selection and the buying experience is painless. The previews come up quick and they make it so easy to find other music you might like via user submitted iMixes, "listeners also bought" and their music charts. The syncing experience is easy and pretty quick and I like iTunes' podcast support.
Via Googling, I found the full email via http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/ at http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/libra ry/PX08636.pdf.
He was complaining about how bad the Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra was vs. the iPod back then. To be fair, I'm pretty sure an iTunes install makes you reboot too. I'm guessing he was just pointing that out that in theory, out of the box, if you use WMP, you shouldn't need a reboot.
85 watts for a pump is pretty darn high to a cool a system.
P 4400/P4400-CE.html), I've measured my non-overclocked Athlon 64 3200+ machine w/2 hard drives and 2 video cards draws ~101 watts at idle and ~130 watts when the CPU is maxed out by distributed.net RC5 client. IIRC, when running 3DMark06, it went up to ~150 watts.
For comparison, with a Kill A Watt (http://www.p3international.com/products/special/
I'm an alum and yeah, I got the email this morning, automatically sent to my junk mail folder on Hotmail. :/ At first, I thought it was another one of those phishing attempts but then after typing the URL myself and looking around on the press, it turned out to be real . :(
I filed a fraud alert w/Experian and looked at my free online credit report. Fortunately, nothing looked out of the ordinary but I'm waiting for the two other agencies...
I count 41 in the last month for instance at http://www.us.debian.org/security/. Feel free to check other distros.
I'm a fan of both TOS and the "remake" aka TNS of Battlestar Galactica, but it always bothers me to hear statements like "the series is so good...Battlestar Galactica has been the most popular program ever to air on the SciFi Channel"
= 10065&page=1&pp=25 and compare to top Nielsen rated shows at http://tv.yahoo.com/nielsen/.
. html).
In the grand scheme of things, the ratings that Battlestar Galactica aren't that great and being the most "popular" program to air on SciFi doesn't mean much either.
Take a look at the ratings for BSG at http://forums.colonialfleets.com/showthread.php?t
The FINALE for BSG (which was very good) got 2.8 million viewers. Yet, Enterprise averaged 2.7 million viewers and has been cancelled (see http://tv.yahoo.com/news/eo/20050513/111604476002
If a network show got ratings in the 2.x range like BSG is getting, it'd be VERY quickly cancelled.
Yeah, I remember hearing about vertical/perpendicular recording on TV >10 years ago (I think a Seagate exec was talking about it at the time). It's strange that it's come to light again. Maybe it was still all experimental all this time.
h p/1501 631c leID= 14704826
I dug around and found these articles on it from a few years ago:
http://www.internetnews.com/storage/print.p
http://www.my-esm.com/showArticle.jhtml?arti
Big deal. Considering their hardware is custom and they're not just buying off the shelf motherboards andparts, of course they're going to need thermal engineers.
Even if they're coming out w/more G4 laptops, they're still going to need thermal engineers.
To answer the poster's questions:
Showtime
1) Yes, I've heard of it. Some people I talked to while wandering at CES told me about it.
2) No, I'm not, but I'm not that interested, yet.
3) We've had HDTV over the air broadcasts in the Seattle area for several years now. There wasn't a lot of watch and still isn't IMHO. Comcast digital cable does offer HD over cable now. They offer these channels:
KOMO 4: Seattle Market's local ABC station
KING 5: Seattle Market's local NBC station
KONG 6/16:
KCTS: Seattle's local PBS station
Q13 Fox: Seattle's Fox station
WB22: Seattle's WB station
KCTS: Seattle's local PBS station
ESPN
INHD
INHD2
Starz!
HBO
Cinemax
I did have their cable box for HD and at the time, I didn't have that many HD channels. However, I only watched 1 show in HD, everything else I watched was pretty much non-major network and just standard def. So, it wasn't worth it esp. since I can't record in HD on my Tivos and I actually had to sit in front of my TV at 9 pm on Sundays to watch Alias in HD. How barbaric! The horror!
The extra fees and the above drawback made it not worth it for me.
It's cool that there's finally some article on this. Some guy at work posted a message on an internal message board about this phenomena and I even posted an inquiry on avsforum.com and don't remember getting any responses. Basically, he said went to a gethering of Halo players on Xbox. Some guys brought direct view CRT TVs and some brought Infocus X1 projectors (I have 1 myself). The guys w/the projectors wanted to use the direct view TVs and they told him he could use the projectors. The reason was that apparently people w/the regular TVs were kicking the butts of the projector guys due to the delay on the projector. I don't recall if any people swapped roles/display devices to see if the really did throw them off. I look forward to the day when somebody has done some real world measurements of this on shipping products.
DLP probably does. I have an Infocus X1 projector and it's a progressive only chip, so I'm sure to display an image, it's got to have info from two interlaced frames since TV is interlaced. As for Tivo, I have 2 Tivos. When you watch "live TV" thru Tivo, you're actually maybe a second or two behind (if you compare to something that's tuned to the same channel that isn't getting video from the Tivo). It's a really a non-issue though since you'll never know it's behind unless you do that or hear people/TV in another room w/o it. But, you would NEVER want to hook up a game console into the video inputs on a Tivo. It'd be unplayable cuz of the delay.