Support the implementation and execution of algorithms, surely? An algorithm is a mathematical entity, and many algorithms were described before anybody had even built or imagined a mechanical or electronic computer.
And I think you'll find that being Turing complete means being able to support the implementation and execution of algorithms, so Turing completeness is what you are describing. (Google offers a definition.)
You should read your own link.
If you can add 2 and 2 in a language how is that Turing Complete? It is possible to imagine a language where you can't do much more than simple computations (allowing you to program in a way) but you can't solve the set of all computable problems. For example a language which doesn't allow loops or recursion.
A language without loops or recursion would allow for simple computations that might be thought of as programming... maybe... but not be Turing Complete.
Turing Completeness doesn't really matter... a programming language has to beable to support the creation of Algorithms. Can HTML, XML or any ML support the creation of an algorithm? These are markup or container languages... they don't do algorithms.
That's just my opinion. I'm sure there is a dictionary definition...
So all those volunteer and open source type projects don't count. You said it, not me. Hear that kids? Working on the Linux Kernel, a NLVE, or USB drivers doesn't count as experience.
I would also say that it takes time to learn a technology or tool used in programming. It takes time to learn the tools/programming techniques associated with Unix, Databases, and Networking. I think employers should look for people with a basic toolset that fills most of their needs and not worry if the person doesn't know their programming language of choice... or the precise toolset they have... but the problem is in the measure of skill.
How do you prove yourself? How do you prove to an employer that your aren't lying or fudging your skill level? So many people do fudge their skill level (and I know for a fact that some people learn more in 2 years than others in 5 at the same job) that many employers inflate the number of years experience a job really needs.
The same inflation is true for college degrees and certifications.
I work in a place where I can assess that my 6 years programming experience makes me inferior on a resume to my coworker with 14 years but a review of our code will show that I really am the better programmer. It would be the same resume bullet, 6 years at X versus 14 years at X... admittedly this guy knows an older version of the language I have experience with only through reviewing artifacts left behind by older programmers...
How should I capture 6 years experience but better than some people's 14? How do you know I'm being honest and not just bragging? How do you know I'm not right?
Nobel created the Nobel Prizes so his name would be remembered for something other than what he was famous for at the time of his death. Nobel was a famous weapons merchant. He created powerful explosive devices for the purpose of killing as many people as possible. So at the end of his life he regreted how he had made his fortune as a merchant of death and left a will that lead to the creation of the Nobel prizes.
So there is a great deal of irony in someone in a DoD position aspiring to win a Nobel Prize. It's akin to an accountant saying his dream in life is to be a Starship Captain. Thus it is funny... depending on the attitude of the person it's either funny "ha ha" or funny strange.
you should consider a "network attached storage" solution or a simple IDE RAID solution... you could go all spiffy and do 300GB hard-drives in a RAID adding more drives as you need more space. You could put this on your home network in it's own system that would be independent of your "workstation."
OR, you could simply reduce the amount of stuff you keep around. I doubt you really own/use more than a few spindels of stuff. If you had a terabyte raid of your own and managed what you kept on it... keeping only what you need to survive... I'd be impressed if you used the whole thing. How much Music, Movies, and Porn does one person really need?
In related news, the "Crowds of the OverLight" expansion pack was met with less enthusiasm. This expansion pack features a world composed of mini-vans and soccer-moms that nearly everyone can infact see... not just madmen. Gamers state that "Crowds of the OverLight" just isn't as "cool."
The reason we aren't exploring our universe (and at this rate NEVER will) is because our current propulsion systems SUCK. Everything that can be done practically and reliably with a chemical rocket has been done.
It would also be good for those nasty times when solar flares could make life miserable on the moons surface and you need to get all your biologics put back together from all that radiation damage.
It's a good thing you can do so much with nanotech, otherwise we might have real problems... like reality.
I mean, it's nice to look at and all that, but why would anyone want to go there?
Yeah, and Poughkeepsie isn't much better either... but they still have bus service. I say if you can get to Poughkeepsie you should beable to go to Luna.
We have a 180 year old computer engineer here. She's been working with the new hard drives and recently commented on how derogitory the terms were. Interestingly she pointed out that Hard Drives back in the 1850's used to have kick wheels and were simmilar to giant potter's wheels. She would write on the drive using large magnets... the 1 in the right hand and the 0 in the left... to read data she'd hold a compass to the platter as she kicked the kickwheel and call out "ONE! ZERO! ONE! ONE!" to the "Bus Master" she said it was really bad to be a "Slave" back then but couldn't imagine the conditions that those poor bastards live under inside those drives. At least they get to vote.
BTW: we keep her around just to read the old drives we have in storage from back then. She wants to learn how to use "this vi" thing since she says "visual editing" is the future!
This is just the leg-up I was looking for! Thankyou Slashdot! Now off I go to get my hack on. How much you wanna bet that in six months there'll be a half dozen GUI front ends for DVD authoring? Who's going to go try and make one... show of hands!
You know... if you have a doctorate you get called "doctor" if you have a Master's degree... do you get called "Master" ??? I propose that we replace the "Master/Slave" names with either "president/intern" or "pimp/ho"... Master's Degrees would then become either Presidential Degrees... or Pimp Degrees. People who had Master's degrees would be refered to as "Pimps"
run around with a label maker and put the words "pilot" and "co-pilot" on the back of the drives to cover the "master/slave" jumper settings. Interns will have label makers printing out "pilot" or "co-pilot" (one intern assigned to each) and stick them into the manuals over the words "master" and "slave"... at least the VARs that sell to Gov't agencies might do this if the sale was threatened just before closing.
Use the poll thingies that they use in chemistry labs to set up tubes, beakers, and those crazy glass pipes to set up your lazer pointers so that all 120 of them can be mounted and aimed as a giant grid.
Find a way to lock each one in the "on" or "lit" position.
Get a bit-mapped picture of Bob from the Church of the subgenius. Reduce it to a pointalized B&W picture.
Project Bob on to the wall that the laser-pointers are aimed at.
Position each dot to aim at the center of an individual "white" pixel.
Fix the positions of the pointers relative to each other... viola portable projected Bob-head.
Do "Tux the Penguin" or Bill Gates next if you have lazer pointers left over. If you can't get those chemistry set poles then maybe a bunch of lumber and silly putty would work... Forget the lumber... just use mountains of Silly Putty!
Did someone have to walk all the way to the Mississippi and put a flag there to claim it?
I'm pretty sure the practical measure was: ... the area which I and my mates can control by blowing the head off of any other gun-toting person claiming differently. We who blow the heads off of people who claim differently swear allegence to the King of where-ever we came from so he'll send us more guns... he'll send us more guns because we send him money... until we can make our own guns and don't feel like sending him anymore money. So there.
I figure that's how real space colonization and real property claims in space will go down. Then once a level of autonomy is reached at the colonies they will either pressure change in the arrangements and get it or they will revolt. Pretty standard stuff... historically speaking.
The practical question is... just how autonomous can a space colony be? There aren't any aboriginals you know... all sorts of technological problems there... probably take five hundred to a thousand years to work them all out.
You settle outerspace the same way the Europeans "settled" the rest of the world... a guy sails on a ship to the beach and plants a flag and says, "I claim this land in the name of Spain." What's so hard to figure out? Real Politik, people, you get to own "new" land if you can hold it.
Once a governmental entity holds land then it can enforce the property rights of it's citizens by going to war locally to enforce remote claims. IE: War on Earth to assert property claims in space... War in Europe to assert property claims in the Americas.
I swear you scifi people never paid attention to your history classes.
I'm sorry, but you have to at least get a guy onto the beach and have him plant a flag and say, "I claim this land in the name of Spain" or something before you get to have property rights. I mean, that's how we dealt with this type of thing in the past when there wasn't anyone white living in a place. I'm pretty sure there aren't any people on the asteroid so I think this still works... and you can avoid the whole racist imperialist whatnot. Things change if the indigenous people have roughly equal technology.
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Support the implementation and execution of algorithms, surely? An algorithm is a mathematical entity, and many algorithms were described before anybody had even built or imagined a mechanical or electronic computer.
And I think you'll find that being Turing complete means being able to support the implementation and execution of algorithms, so Turing completeness is what you are describing. (Google offers a definition.)
You should read your own link.
If you can add 2 and 2 in a language how is that Turing Complete? It is possible to imagine a language where you can't do much more than simple computations (allowing you to program in a way) but you can't solve the set of all computable problems. For example a language which doesn't allow loops or recursion.
A language without loops or recursion would allow for simple computations that might be thought of as programming... maybe... but not be Turing Complete.
Turing Completeness doesn't really matter... a programming language has to beable to support the creation of Algorithms. Can HTML, XML or any ML support the creation of an algorithm? These are markup or container languages... they don't do algorithms.
That's just my opinion. I'm sure there is a dictionary definition...
So all those volunteer and open source type projects don't count. You said it, not me. Hear that kids? Working on the Linux Kernel, a NLVE, or USB drivers doesn't count as experience.
Actually, in a way I can see that.
It takes years to learn how to program well.
I would also say that it takes time to learn a technology or tool used in programming. It takes time to learn the tools/programming techniques associated with Unix, Databases, and Networking. I think employers should look for people with a basic toolset that fills most of their needs and not worry if the person doesn't know their programming language of choice... or the precise toolset they have... but the problem is in the measure of skill.
How do you prove yourself? How do you prove to an employer that your aren't lying or fudging your skill level? So many people do fudge their skill level (and I know for a fact that some people learn more in 2 years than others in 5 at the same job) that many employers inflate the number of years experience a job really needs.
The same inflation is true for college degrees and certifications.
I work in a place where I can assess that my 6 years programming experience makes me inferior on a resume to my coworker with 14 years but a review of our code will show that I really am the better programmer. It would be the same resume bullet, 6 years at X versus 14 years at X... admittedly this guy knows an older version of the language I have experience with only through reviewing artifacts left behind by older programmers...
How should I capture 6 years experience but better than some people's 14? How do you know I'm being honest and not just bragging? How do you know I'm not right?
Nobel created the Nobel Prizes so his name would be remembered for something other than what he was famous for at the time of his death. Nobel was a famous weapons merchant. He created powerful explosive devices for the purpose of killing as many people as possible. So at the end of his life he regreted how he had made his fortune as a merchant of death and left a will that lead to the creation of the Nobel prizes.
So there is a great deal of irony in someone in a DoD position aspiring to win a Nobel Prize. It's akin to an accountant saying his dream in life is to be a Starship Captain. Thus it is funny... depending on the attitude of the person it's either funny "ha ha" or funny strange.
you should consider a "network attached storage" solution or a simple IDE RAID solution ... you could go all spiffy and do 300GB hard-drives in a RAID adding more drives as you need more space. You could put this on your home network in it's own system that would be independent of your "workstation."
OR, you could simply reduce the amount of stuff you keep around. I doubt you really own/use more than a few spindels of stuff. If you had a terabyte raid of your own and managed what you kept on it... keeping only what you need to survive... I'd be impressed if you used the whole thing. How much Music, Movies, and Porn does one person really need?
Maybe I'm talking to the wrong crowd.
In related news, the "Crowds of the OverLight" expansion pack was met with less enthusiasm. This expansion pack features a world composed of mini-vans and soccer-moms that nearly everyone can infact see... not just madmen. Gamers state that "Crowds of the OverLight" just isn't as "cool."
The reason we aren't exploring our universe (and at this rate NEVER will) is because our current propulsion systems SUCK. Everything that can be done practically and reliably with a chemical rocket has been done.
Technically Chemical propulsion rockets BLOW.
It would also be good for those nasty times when solar flares could make life miserable on the moons surface and you need to get all your biologics put back together from all that radiation damage.
It's a good thing you can do so much with nanotech, otherwise we might have real problems... like reality.
I mean, it's nice to look at and all that, but why would anyone want to go there?
Yeah, and Poughkeepsie isn't much better either... but they still have bus service. I say if you can get to Poughkeepsie you should beable to go to Luna.
I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't... for those dumb kids and their goony dog! DOH!
I'd call 'em:
...
Primary Pimp
Primary ho'
Secondary Pimp
Secondary ho'
Teriary Pimp
So we should be calling them the Primary Pimp drive.
We have a 180 year old computer engineer here. She's been working with the new hard drives and recently commented on how derogitory the terms were. Interestingly she pointed out that Hard Drives back in the 1850's used to have kick wheels and were simmilar to giant potter's wheels. She would write on the drive using large magnets ... the 1 in the right hand and the 0 in the left... to read data she'd hold a compass to the platter as she kicked the kickwheel and call out "ONE! ZERO! ONE! ONE!" to the "Bus Master" she said it was really bad to be a "Slave" back then but couldn't imagine the conditions that those poor bastards live under inside those drives. At least they get to vote.
BTW: we keep her around just to read the old drives we have in storage from back then. She wants to learn how to use "this vi" thing since she says "visual editing" is the future!
This is just the leg-up I was looking for! Thankyou Slashdot! Now off I go to get my hack on. How much you wanna bet that in six months there'll be a half dozen GUI front ends for DVD authoring? Who's going to go try and make one ... show of hands!
You know... if you have a doctorate you get called "doctor" if you have a Master's degree... do you get called "Master" ??? I propose that we replace the "Master/Slave" names with either "president/intern" or "pimp/ho" ... Master's Degrees would then become either Presidential Degrees ... or Pimp Degrees. People who had Master's degrees would be refered to as "Pimps"
I vote for "pimp/hoe" to replace "master/slave".
You get my vote! That's much more descriptive than my idea: "president/intern"
Some ideas I had for replacing "Master/Slave":
run around with a label maker and put the words "pilot" and "co-pilot" on the back of the drives to cover the "master/slave" jumper settings. Interns will have label makers printing out "pilot" or "co-pilot" (one intern assigned to each) and stick them into the manuals over the words "master" and "slave" ... at least the VARs that sell to Gov't agencies might do this if the sale was threatened just before closing.
What about a giant picture of steve jobs?
Ooh! You warmonger you! I vote for Larry Wall!
You'd be insane not to include the BSD demon on there.
No, that would start a flame war.
Do "Tux the Penguin" or Bill Gates next if you have lazer pointers left over. If you can't get those chemistry set poles then maybe a bunch of lumber and silly putty would work... Forget the lumber... just use mountains of Silly Putty!
...imagine a Desktop UI built around this. Yeah, it could happen.
Did someone have to walk all the way to the Mississippi and put a flag there to claim it?
... the area which I and my mates can control by blowing the head off of any other gun-toting person claiming differently. We who blow the heads off of people who claim differently swear allegence to the King of where-ever we came from so he'll send us more guns... he'll send us more guns because we send him money... until we can make our own guns and don't feel like sending him anymore money. So there.
... historically speaking.
I'm pretty sure the practical measure was:
I figure that's how real space colonization and real property claims in space will go down. Then once a level of autonomy is reached at the colonies they will either pressure change in the arrangements and get it or they will revolt. Pretty standard stuff
The practical question is... just how autonomous can a space colony be? There aren't any aboriginals you know... all sorts of technological problems there... probably take five hundred to a thousand years to work them all out.
You settle outerspace the same way the Europeans "settled" the rest of the world... a guy sails on a ship to the beach and plants a flag and says, "I claim this land in the name of Spain." What's so hard to figure out? Real Politik, people, you get to own "new" land if you can hold it.
Once a governmental entity holds land then it can enforce the property rights of it's citizens by going to war locally to enforce remote claims. IE: War on Earth to assert property claims in space... War in Europe to assert property claims in the Americas.
I swear you scifi people never paid attention to your history classes.
I'm sorry, but you have to at least get a guy onto the beach and have him plant a flag and say, "I claim this land in the name of Spain" or something before you get to have property rights. I mean, that's how we dealt with this type of thing in the past when there wasn't anyone white living in a place. I'm pretty sure there aren't any people on the asteroid so I think this still works... and you can avoid the whole racist imperialist whatnot. Things change if the indigenous people have roughly equal technology.