Now it depends on the program and the school of thought. Anyone who's ever worked with a physicist in the tech business (they crop up from time to time) understands that the guys with the PhD in Phyiscs is almost always better than the guys with Masters in CS, it just works out that way. Physics and Calc are one in the same when you get through all the BS.
That's like comparing a water-mellon to a grape. A person who has a PhD is bound to have much more research experience that guy with a Masters. A better comparison would be between guy with PhD in theoretical CS and a PhD in Physics.
Everyone knows that physicists are better and so there is a desire to teach the tools that they use. That's just a theory I have, nothing to back it up other than everyone knows how Einstein was and everybody has an idea who Hawking is and nobody knows who Turing was or Euler was or Galois
You're really clueless, aren't you? Popularity is absolutely no measure of how smart a person is, or how profound their work is. So just because Einstein is well known, doesn't make him the 'bestest' mathematician (physics and theoretical computer science are a subset of mathematics. So I'll call call the people who practice them just mathematicians). If you were to take a survey of people who understood the work of both Galois and Einstein, I think the results would surprise you. The insight that Galois had, and the profundity and extreme elegance of his work is one of the greatest achievements of contemporary mathematics. But this is getting tangential.
The link between linear algebra, abstract algebra and discrete math is pretty easy to see as you're doing it. The bridge between discrete and continuous math is a bit more complex but it's really undeniable when you see it.
Yes, the link of algebra to other subsets of algebra is obviously easy to see. The fun comes in when you try to use algebra the way it was meant to be used - i.e: as tool to study number theory (among other things). Study this link (that is: study arithmetic geometry and algebraic number theory) and tell me if this link is more or less complex than the "bridge between discrete and continuous math".
Steps to foolproof security
1) Get a PhD in Number Theory/Theoretical CS from Harvard/MIT.
2) Write the newest encryption technology which is NP Hard to decrypt, takes O(1) time for encryption. - PROVE it.
3) Make all network applications use this technology (Don't worry, this will be possible once you get the fields medal for proving the Reimann Hypothesis and people know/trust you and your work)
4) Now lay back and enjoy
First of all, what are u referring to when u say that u have used "this". Is this Mathematica or gridMathematica?
I am assuming its mathematica. In that case, I would say that u are highly mislead or have not used the product in a long time. I have used all three, and have found Mathematica most suitable for the kind of work I do, namely, sybolic manipulation. Matlab, on the other hand, is excellent for number crunching. Claiming that one is better that the other is a statement similar to saying Redhat is better that Debian.... or something similar. While Matlab is more efficient, Mathematica, certainly, has a more usable interface(more eyecandy - which is responsible for slowing it down a bit).
While talking about functionality, i have found that Mathematica is the most functional amongst all, for me, with a very large number of inbuilt functions that do the job extremely well.(here come the flames). Also the unix version actually works more efficiently on my system than windows. I dont know where are u pulling those numbers out of. But it seems u just made them up.
Actually, integrals.com is broken. As a proof, check out the following screenshots
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot1.pn g
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot2.pn g
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot3.pn g
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot4.pn g
Actually, Mathematica, in the GUI mode, has a lot of processing overheads. And performing complex calculations can take a while. I use Mathematica regularly, and a class assignment took me 6 hours to "compile" on Mathematica. (It was about modelling proteins and showing how they evolve with time). If it indeed takes such time, then this kind of grid computing can be a boon. I can see this being used a lot in the Universities, where usually, there are a large number of computers not being used simultaneously.
My Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server came in a box full of ants, some of which died on Windows update. Can i sue Microsoft for killing those ants ?
Action A: Indian Government Chooses Linux for Academia. Action B: A highly sucessful linux show is completed in Bangalore Action C: Mailing lists show lots of signs of an even bigger linux show happening in Bombay. Action D: Microsoft Targets Indian developers Action E: Bill gives $100 mn to a charitable cause in India.
There is obviously more connections between D,E and A,B and C than are obvious on face value. Surely, the timing for D could not be at a more critical time time. One of the software engineer producing factories of the world(India) is making a conscious shift towars linux. Enter Microsoft. The rest, will be history!
If Sega + Nokia = True
then assuming + represents the OR operation,
either Sega = True and Nokia = Fales
or Nokia = True and Sega = False
Sega = True and Nokia = True
There are so many companies focussing on the desktop these days.
Redhat, Mandrake(it always did:)), Xandros, Lycoris, Lindows and now SUSE.
This makes for a very interesting year coming up to see which one, if any, gains supremacy in the Desktop arena.
BTW, Whats next, Slackware and Gentoo based desktop solutions;) ?
It seems that the best music seems to come from a seemingly random composition of chords. While it would be computationally infeasible to write an equation that describes the chords for an entire song, it would be possible to generate cellular automata, based on rules devised by Wolfram and other people, which closely resemble the music we like. Some rules described in A New Kind of Science, by Wolfram predict cell patterns which are seemingly random but yet repeat at some intervals of time. Such kind of rules could be, IMveryHO, used to produce some rather melodious music.
For security purposes i would propose ssh. Telnet, sending the passwords as plain text, is too insecure for something like banking. For security protocol, RSA could be used with the modular base being determined by a product of (predecided) primes from the user card number/pin. This would act more like a private key system. It might increase the load on the bank servers, but it would be so much more secure, much more than RSA where the modular base is public.
You couldn't be more correct. If they want to show disrespect to Windows then buy Windows CDs(boxes et all) and then toss 'em around in the mud. The PC can run a wide range of operating systems like Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, BeOs etc etc. Showing disrespect to the PC for the OS it can run is showing disrespect to all the OSs. Be Warned Macfreaks, windoze users might not take offense to this, but linux(and other Non M$ OSs) users do.
Well, if you are interested in knowing about security related bugs then go to bugtraq or something like that. No offense intended, but/. is not a forum for bug reports in security/software systems. Besides, you can (always) trust your admin to take the correct action for seeing to the security of the system;-).
Just because some people do not see it, does not mean that everybody does not. I too, do tech support for my college, where we have replaced all the CRTs with LCDs for the administrative staff. *ALL* of them have made excellent use of the free space that the LCDs have given them. Some of them have managed to make one more stack of files on the desk, some have managed to squeeze in a huge amount of paperwork in the newly opened up space while a few, have even put their printers behind their LCDs.
I beleive that gathering more knowledge at young age is very helpful. However, as i am only 18, i do not know of the long term effects of this kind of information "cramming". As u said, we can agree to disagree. BTW, thanx for the info about TIMMS. I did not know about such kind of survey/researc work.
I could not agree with you more. Any person who is interested in learning Linux, can even do so dial up, as u pointed out. However, i was talking about education of all the engineers. What u are talking about, and what i think a majority of current linux users have, is the hacker mentality - the curiosity to know the ins and outs of the system, and the desire to learn more about it. However, I was trying to address the issue of making Linux popular in the masses of engineers (both students and workers).Not all engineers would have this kind of mentality. Most of them would only want to learn Linux because of some forcing factor(like Syllabi). It would be unreasonable to expect these people to devote a significant amount of their time to learning linux, when they aren't that interested. Since the government of India wants to push Linux into academia, it would be imperative that we educate our engineers about it. It was this issue that i was trying to address.
P.S: I have used the term engineers very broadly to describe people in all varieties of scientific discliplines.
I never said that that IIT produce the best engg grads. I said that given the kind of resouces that American colleges provide, IITs might produce better graduates. The reason for this is not that Indians are congenitally better(which they definitely are not!). The main reason is the kind of intensive training these grads receive before and after getting in to IITs. Just FYI, the syllabus for the IIT entrance exams, covers exactly the same books for Maths, Phys and Chem as used by the top American Colleges for their freshman/sophomore years. So the exam itself gives these grads are 1-1.5 yr headstart on others which gives them more choice to specialize in a certain discipline of the field of their choice. BTW, i myself study am an international sophomore in Engg at one the topmost colleges in the US, and i am sure that my friends studying back home at IIT know much more than i do at this point, which is the only reason they turn out to be better grads. Why i decided to come here when i was admitted to IITs, is a diff matter altogether...
First up dude, i think u got me there. Sometimes, I am over patriotic/nationalist for my own good. But u seem to have missed the point. Its fun hacking about at linux only if u know u have reasonable support, like IRC, USENET etc. However, if one cant guarantee unlimited access to these resources, then its very difficult to learn linux from scratch(no pun intended). Just imagine what would happen to complete newbie if he could not get X to give more than 640x480 on a 21 inch lcd. Boy would he be pissed !....its unfair to expect the newbie to know how to edit the X config file. Or imagine the same newbie cant get his windows drive,where he has all his fav mp3s, to mount....or better still, imagine a newbie's wonder when he cant play mp3s in on his RH 8.0 box....there could be numerous such examples. But the point is, if one wishes learn linux by ones'self, one needs adequate support. if this form of support is unavailable, most people will give up linux at their very first attempt. After all, not everyone has the hacker mentality.
No matter what anyone says, nobody can expect a new user to have a transformation from windows to linux without a few hiccups enroute. Its at these hiccups when the lack of *real* broadband really pinches.
I come from India. All, yes all, the computers that i have come across in India are running pirated copies of Windows. Not a single license, even at one of our biggest IT companies:( . India also churns out tons of talented engineers every year, which include the likes of Sabeer Bhatia (the creator of Hotmail), Azim Premji(2nd richest man in the world, at some point last year) etc etc etc. The IITs from India, IMHO, are the *best* set of engineering colleges in the world. I am not taking anything away from MIT and company, but i firmly beleive that given MITesque resources, IITs will probably produce better graduates. Infact, just have a look at the number of people at MIT from the IITs. The main reason for this post graduate US migration, was the lack of money in India. The avg IIT grad got a starting pay Rs 4000/- a month($80). This is certainly nowhere near what they would get abroad. Hence, there was significant brain drain. Getting back to the point, India has all the capacities of becoming a software superpower but there are a few stumbling blocks.
The first and obvious one, is the sagging economy. If the Indian economy does not improve, the brain drain will continue and India(not Indians) will get nowhere.
The second problem is the lack of people capable of teaching Linux. If one has bandwidth, one is capable of learning Linux by ones'self. But given the bandwidth in India, learning Linux online is not an option. The only solution is that people who know it already be willing to teach it to others. But even there, there is a huge ratio problem. The number of people who know linux is far too little comapred to the number of engg grads we produce. For instance, Maharashtra, the state whose capital is Mumbai(Bombay), has, according to counter.li, 521 people who know Linux.Maharashtra has roughly 100 M people. It has at least 100 engineering colleges, due to the presence of Mumbai and Pune. Even if we assume that all 500 are gurus, we still have only 5 linux gurus per engg college which has atleast 500 students, or only 1 person per 100 engg students.Bear in mind that these stats are scewed by the presence of IIT Mumbai which extensively uses linux.Add to that, the number of commercial offices in Mumbai that use linux and employ sys admins who know linux, and you will be left with very embarrasing ratio. I know this is a typical chicken and egg problem, in that the number of people who know linux wont increase if no one is ready to teach, but there are very few people capable of teaching. But something has to be done to address the issue. Without adressing such issues, the govt's decsion to move to Open Source, will sit like a white elephant in its own backyard. I am not providing any solutions here, cause frankly, i have none.
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That's like comparing a water-mellon to a grape. A person who has a PhD is bound to have much more research experience that guy with a Masters. A better comparison would be between guy with PhD in theoretical CS and a PhD in Physics.
Everyone knows that physicists are better and so there is a desire to teach the tools that they use. That's just a theory I have, nothing to back it up other than everyone knows how Einstein was and everybody has an idea who Hawking is and nobody knows who Turing was or Euler was or Galois
You're really clueless, aren't you? Popularity is absolutely no measure of how smart a person is, or how profound their work is. So just because Einstein is well known, doesn't make him the 'bestest' mathematician (physics and theoretical computer science are a subset of mathematics. So I'll call call the people who practice them just mathematicians). If you were to take a survey of people who understood the work of both Galois and Einstein, I think the results would surprise you. The insight that Galois had, and the profundity and extreme elegance of his work is one of the greatest achievements of contemporary mathematics. But this is getting tangential.
The link between linear algebra, abstract algebra and discrete math is pretty easy to see as you're doing it. The bridge between discrete and continuous math is a bit more complex but it's really undeniable when you see it.
Yes, the link of algebra to other subsets of algebra is obviously easy to see. The fun comes in when you try to use algebra the way it was meant to be used - i.e: as tool to study number theory (among other things). Study this link (that is: study arithmetic geometry and algebraic number theory) and tell me if this link is more or less complex than the "bridge between discrete and continuous math".
Steps to foolproof security 1) Get a PhD in Number Theory/Theoretical CS from Harvard/MIT. 2) Write the newest encryption technology which is NP Hard to decrypt, takes O(1) time for encryption. - PROVE it. 3) Make all network applications use this technology (Don't worry, this will be possible once you get the fields medal for proving the Reimann Hypothesis and people know/trust you and your work) 4) Now lay back and enjoy
Its so much simple to give the answer in base Pi rather that base 10. In base Pi, Pi = 10 :-}
First of all, what are u referring to when u say that u have used "this". Is this Mathematica or gridMathematica? I am assuming its mathematica. In that case, I would say that u are highly mislead or have not used the product in a long time. I have used all three, and have found Mathematica most suitable for the kind of work I do, namely, sybolic manipulation. Matlab, on the other hand, is excellent for number crunching. Claiming that one is better that the other is a statement similar to saying Redhat is better that Debian .... or something similar.
While Matlab is more efficient, Mathematica, certainly, has a more usable interface(more eyecandy - which is responsible for slowing it down a bit).
While talking about functionality, i have found that Mathematica is the most functional amongst all, for me, with a very large number of inbuilt functions that do the job extremely well.(here come the flames). Also the unix version actually works more efficiently on my system than windows.
I dont know where are u pulling those numbers out of. But it seems u just made them up.
Actually, integrals.com is broken. As a proof, check out the following screenshotsn g
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http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot1.p
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot2.p
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot3.p
http://www.columbia.edu/~bbb2004/pics/snapshot4.p
Actually, Mathematica, in the GUI mode, has a lot of processing overheads. And performing complex calculations can take a while. I use Mathematica regularly, and a class assignment took me 6 hours to "compile" on Mathematica. (It was about modelling proteins and showing how they evolve with time). If it indeed takes such time, then this kind of grid computing can be a boon. I can see this being used a lot in the Universities, where usually, there are a large number of computers not being used simultaneously.
My Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server came in a box full of ants, some of which died on Windows update. Can i sue Microsoft for killing those ants ?
Action A: Indian Government Chooses Linux for Academia.
Action B: A highly sucessful linux show is completed in Bangalore
Action C: Mailing lists show lots of signs of an even bigger linux show happening in Bombay.
Action D: Microsoft Targets Indian developers
Action E: Bill gives $100 mn to a charitable cause in India.
There is obviously more connections between D,E and A,B and C than are obvious on face value. Surely, the timing for D could not be at a more critical time time. One of the software engineer producing factories of the world(India) is making a conscious shift towars linux. Enter Microsoft. The rest, will be history!
If Sega + Nokia = True then assuming + represents the OR operation,
either Sega = True and Nokia = Fales
or Nokia = True and Sega = False
Sega = True and Nokia = True
werd!
There are so many companies focussing on the desktop these days. Redhat, Mandrake(it always did :)), Xandros, Lycoris, Lindows and now SUSE.
This makes for a very interesting year coming up to see which one, if any, gains supremacy in the Desktop arena. ;) ?
BTW, Whats next, Slackware and Gentoo based desktop solutions
It seems that the best music seems to come from a seemingly random composition of chords. While it would be computationally infeasible to write an equation that describes the chords for an entire song, it would be possible to generate cellular automata, based on rules devised by Wolfram and other people, which closely resemble the music we like. Some rules described in A New Kind of Science, by Wolfram predict cell patterns which are seemingly random but yet repeat at some intervals of time. Such kind of rules could be, IMveryHO, used to produce some rather melodious music.
For security purposes i would propose ssh. Telnet, sending the passwords as plain text, is too insecure for something like banking. For security protocol, RSA could be used with the modular base being determined by a product of (predecided) primes from the user card number/pin. This would act more like a private key system. It might increase the load on the bank servers, but it would be so much more secure, much more than RSA where the modular base is public.
24 * 7 = 168
So why are u criticising the other guy on the basis of his uptime?. His uptime, 168 hrs, is more than yours currently, 112 hrs.
You couldn't be more correct. If they want to show disrespect to Windows then buy Windows CDs(boxes et all) and then toss 'em around in the mud. The PC can run a wide range of operating systems like Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, BeOs etc etc. Showing disrespect to the PC for the OS it can run is showing disrespect to all the OSs. Be Warned Macfreaks, windoze users might not take offense to this, but linux(and other Non M$ OSs) users do.
Well, if you are interested in knowing about security related bugs then go to bugtraq or something like that. No offense intended, but /. is not a forum for bug reports in security/software systems. Besides, you can (always) trust your admin to take the correct action for seeing to the security of the system ;-).
Just because some people do not see it, does not mean that everybody does not. I too, do tech support for my college, where we have replaced all the CRTs with LCDs for the administrative staff. *ALL* of them have made excellent use of the free space that the LCDs have given them. Some of them have managed to make one more stack of files on the desk, some have managed to squeeze in a huge amount of paperwork in the newly opened up space while a few, have even put their printers behind their LCDs.
another addition to the super computing fleet of the USA
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I beleive that gathering more knowledge at young age is very helpful. However, as i am only 18, i do not know of the long term effects of this kind of information "cramming". As u said, we can agree to disagree. BTW, thanx for the info about TIMMS. I did not know about such kind of survey/researc work.
I could not agree with you more. Any person who is interested in learning Linux, can even do so dial up, as u pointed out. However, i was talking about education of all the engineers. What u are talking about, and what i think a majority of current linux users have, is the hacker mentality - the curiosity to know the ins and outs of the system, and the desire to learn more about it. However, I was trying to address the issue of making Linux popular in the masses of engineers (both students and workers).Not all engineers would have this kind of mentality. Most of them would only want to learn Linux because of some forcing factor(like Syllabi). It would be unreasonable to expect these people to devote a significant amount of their time to learning linux, when they aren't that interested. Since the government of India wants to push Linux into academia, it would be imperative that we educate our engineers about it. It was this issue that i was trying to address. P.S: I have used the term engineers very broadly to describe people in all varieties of scientific discliplines.
I never said that that IIT produce the best engg grads. I said that given the kind of resouces that American colleges provide, IITs might produce better graduates. The reason for this is not that Indians are congenitally better(which they definitely are not!). The main reason is the kind of intensive training these grads receive before and after getting in to IITs. Just FYI, the syllabus for the IIT entrance exams, covers exactly the same books for Maths, Phys and Chem as used by the top American Colleges for their freshman/sophomore years. So the exam itself gives these grads are 1-1.5 yr headstart on others which gives them more choice to specialize in a certain discipline of the field of their choice. BTW, i myself study am an international sophomore in Engg at one the topmost colleges in the US, and i am sure that my friends studying back home at IIT know much more than i do at this point, which is the only reason they turn out to be better grads. Why i decided to come here when i was admitted to IITs, is a diff matter altogether...
First up dude, i think u got me there. Sometimes, I am over patriotic/nationalist for my own good. But u seem to have missed the point. Its fun hacking about at linux only if u know u have reasonable support, like IRC, USENET etc. However, if one cant guarantee unlimited access to these resources, then its very difficult to learn linux from scratch(no pun intended). Just imagine what would happen to complete newbie if he could not get X to give more than 640x480 on a 21 inch lcd. Boy would he be pissed !....its unfair to expect the newbie to know how to edit the X config file. Or imagine the same newbie cant get his windows drive,where he has all his fav mp3s, to mount ....or better still, imagine a newbie's wonder when he cant play mp3s in on his RH 8.0 box....there could be numerous such examples. But the point is, if one wishes learn linux by ones'self, one needs adequate support. if this form of support is unavailable, most people will give up linux at their very first attempt. After all, not everyone has the hacker mentality.
No matter what anyone says, nobody can expect a new user to have a transformation from windows to linux without a few hiccups enroute. Its at these hiccups when the lack of *real* broadband really pinches.
I come from India. All, yes all, the computers that i have come across in India are running pirated copies of Windows. Not a single license, even at one of our biggest IT companies :( . India also churns out tons of talented engineers every year, which include the likes of Sabeer Bhatia (the creator of Hotmail), Azim Premji(2nd richest man in the world, at some point last year) etc etc etc. The IITs from India, IMHO, are the *best* set of engineering colleges in the world. I am not taking anything away from MIT and company, but i firmly beleive that given MITesque resources, IITs will probably produce better graduates. Infact, just have a look at the number of people at MIT from the IITs. The main reason for this post graduate US migration, was the lack of money in India. The avg IIT grad got a starting pay Rs 4000 /- a month($80). This is certainly nowhere near what they would get abroad. Hence, there was significant brain drain. Getting back to the point, India has all the capacities of becoming a software superpower but there are a few stumbling blocks.
The first and obvious one, is the sagging economy. If the Indian economy does not improve, the brain drain will continue and India(not Indians) will get nowhere.
The second problem is the lack of people capable of teaching Linux. If one has bandwidth, one is capable of learning Linux by ones'self. But given the bandwidth in India, learning Linux online is not an option. The only solution is that people who know it already be willing to teach it to others. But even there, there is a huge ratio problem. The number of people who know linux is far too little comapred to the number of engg grads we produce. For instance, Maharashtra, the state whose capital is Mumbai(Bombay), has, according to counter.li, 521 people who know Linux.Maharashtra has roughly 100 M people. It has at least 100 engineering colleges, due to the presence of Mumbai and Pune. Even if we assume that all 500 are gurus, we still have only 5 linux gurus per engg college which has atleast 500 students, or only 1 person per 100 engg students.Bear in mind that these stats are scewed by the presence of IIT Mumbai which extensively uses linux.Add to that, the number of commercial offices in Mumbai that use linux and employ sys admins who know linux, and you will be left with very embarrasing ratio. I know this is a typical chicken and egg problem, in that the number of people who know linux wont increase if no one is ready to teach, but there are very few people capable of teaching. But something has to be done to address the issue. Without adressing such issues, the govt's decsion to move to Open Source, will sit like a white elephant in its own backyard.
I am not providing any solutions here, cause frankly, i have none.