As systems administrator of Bendigo Senior Secondary College, (Victoria, Australia) [Just below NSW, only better (jk)], I'd like to say all students have unfiltered net access, and have had such for >6 years now; and we have no intentions to start censoring what our students are able to see.
[For the record, systems are in place to track usage, and people are punished for looking up porn n stuff... but there's no censorship or filtering.]
... It's also very nice to see NSW giving students free email addresses... we've only done that for 2 years.
I wonder how much the NSW gov't is charging schools for this honor? Especially since Telstra (the beast of telco in au) has [basically] applied they're patented '3gb cap' to schools too.
I'd like to refer to a function in ANSI C, which C# came from:
char* gets(char *strPtr)
Notice any limit specification in that? No.... if someone enters too much data, it overflows.
Compile with gcc, and you get an error "gets is dangerous and should never be used"
Since one of the greatest advantages of C (over say, VB) is the ability to USE pointers and memory addresses, and thus to CREATE potentially 'unsafe' code, is it *REALLY* a suprise MS left it in? Furthermore, is it a BAD THING that you can?
It's about F*CKIN' time MS brought out their own (if you could call it that) programming language that was a little more difficult than "dialoguebox.text = mytext". If developers are going to write applications with buffer overflows, LET THEM. It might teach managers the difference between VB SCRIPT KIDDIEZ ($10 an hour) and WINDOWS PROGRAMMERS ($80 an hour).
Furthermore, All current operating systems (NT or *nix kernel) are _protected mode_. Applications with buffer overflows can only hurt themselves. (with some exceptions in superuser code).. Increased focus on OS security can't be a bad thing.
PCBoard in one corner, Telix in the other. Those were the days.
I had DesQview386 and NOBODY gave me ONE GOOD reason to move to that awful Windows 3.1 product.
It wasn't until `96 that I gave into the beast.
(Yes, I am aware of the fact I was using MICROSOFT dos. I know that. Still, it's not giving into the beast because MSDOS was really QDOS. At least they said in the name of the product it was quick and dirty. And it was quick. Quicker than 95,98,NT,2k or XP ever are.)
"The Unix world can still use the same CGI scripts they wrote ten years ago!"
Yes, and if you look at the/etc directory of a solaris 8 install, you'll see the sence in BREAKING those scripts every now and then.
WHY have I got symlinks to *BINARYS* in the configuration directory of a unix box? IMHO breaking 1% of the applications made 10 years ago in order to TIDY UP an operating system is a *GOOD THING*
Just out of interest, Has anything useful come from the release of Quake1 and Quake2 source code?
I mean, it's all well and good to get it released, but I remember all the promise of great new 3d games with the release of the quake code. I haven't seen any. (Or has this got something to do with Duke Nukem Forever:) )
- It's illegal to drive over 50km/h in suburben streets ($125 fine for exceeding the limit by 15km/h or less.)
- It's illegal to smoke pot
- It's illegal to host anything on the internet which is offensive to the <18 viewers, without *proof* your viewers are over 18 (password protection is not enough)
- ISPs must provide 'netnanny' or some other filtering software to users apon signup, and is 'recommended' to run a ISP based filter for inapropriate debts.
- Australian citizens, using australian credit cards on offshore online casino's are *NOT REQUIRED* to honor any debts they rack up.
- Carmaggeddon was banned for a number of months due to the hope^H^H^H^H fear that it will cause australians will be inspired to drive that way.
- GTA3 is still banned due to the fear that people will learn to drive using it.
- Our biggest telecommunications provider (Telstra) has always charged ISPs by the meg (about 13c per meg) for upstream content. Now they have introduced a 3gb cap on all broardband access in Australia.
Fortunatly, with all these f*cked up laws, we've got a law enforcement agency who couldn't catch a cold; so any of the above laws that can't be enforced by machines (speed cameras and bandwidth calculators)... aren't enforced unless you wave the evidence in a cops face.
Great quote from a mate:
Porn broker worker (in regard to a 400W HPS growlight): "Do you keep an eye on who we sell these to?"
Head of police of [anonymous country town]: "Nah, it's about tomato season anyway isn't it?"
I remember the `leet days when it used to take 24 hours to rip an album to mp3.
You used to need a HUGE ammount of space, 800MB, to store the.wav files, and the.mp3s you were encoding to.
Step 1. Use a ripping program to rip the CD to wav. This would take 74 mins, or half an hour... depending on how good your rom/software/cd was.
Step 2. Open your encoding program, dos based. Give it the.wav file you want to encode, bitrate, and output file... then wait a few hours for it to finish.
Repeat step 2 for each track on the CD.
These mp3s could then be shared, using FTP and IRC. Average time to transfer an mp3 was an hour or two due to the use of 14.4kb/s modems.
Current DivX technology:
- Requires you to rip the content of your DVD first, and have temp. space to store it in it's uncompressed form.
- Takes 24 hours to encode a movie
- It's difficult to predict the correct bitrate for the movie.
- Take a long time, typically a couple of hours, to transfer.
mp3 is now basically the standard for digital music.
Having a personal collection of over 200 DivX's, I may be bias in my opinion that the technology isn't going to die anytime soon; but at least there's a little logic there.
I'd open the source to the existing software, allow support for 'napigator' style server selections; then counter-sue the RIAA for their letter that was sent out a month ago saying "we must shut down such compeditors as Morpheus and Kazaa" under an antitrust lawsuit; claiming they are using the US court system to shut down their compeditors and maintian their monopoly.
.. or just link eDonkey off their website:P No-one's going to take away my decentralized movie network:)
That would be extremly easy to do... It would even fit into the star trek timeline, just have it from the point of view of the herogions (that species in voyager who's whole life is 'the chase' then 'the kill')
Each week, they make a new quake map of a new alien ship, lots of fog, varieing gravetational pull.. that sort of sh*t...
It's all action, no plot, nothing to understand except 'they go round killing people'... perfect from the producers POV
Having not watched farscape, i can't comment, but as for LEXX:
- Shamelessly based around sex. *ALL* sci fi's are based somewhat around sex (see detox gell), at least LEXX doesn't try to hide this fact. ("We go around the dark universe looking for a planet in which stanley can get laid.)
- Running story line. Both series 3 and 4 ran with a running plot from ep 1 to ep 12. All the series' flow together.
- No Moral debate every epesode... In series 3, our main charactures are in a hot air balloon, with one 'extra'.. they need to loose weight.. so they throw the extra over the edge.
- 'Normal' sci fi rules do not apply. Stanley Tweedle (main char. 1) always wanted to f*ck Xev (main char. 2).. general plot says they never will... Ep. 2x07: they do.... EACH of the main chars has died at least ONCE
- Warped, Twisted storyline that you really can't predict.
- A dead assassin as a main characture.... How can you NOT watch a series which pumps out cool quotes like: "I have killed mothers and their babies, I have killed great philosophers
and proud young warriors, I have killed the evil and the good, the
intelligent, the weak and the beautiful, but it's been a while since I have
killed a room full of petty bureaucrats."
Solaris is the Operating Environment.
It's internal number is 2.8
It's marketed number is 8
SunOS is the unix that operates the system.
It's internal number is 5.8
It's not marketed.
In laymans terms, solaris is like windows 95 or redhat.
SunOS is like linux, or DOS 7.
And just to throw a little more confusion into the works:
Solaris' GUI was OpenWindows,
It is currently CDE (Common Desktop Environment),
It will be GNOME (on top of swordfish?).
If it wasn't for people like Bill Hicks who demonstrated not ALL you yanks stand behind your government's stupidity and call it "patriotic", I'd be very, very scared.
"I'm not talking about the reasons the government tells us, because I hope you know this, I think you do, all governments are lying cocksuckers. " -- Bill Hicks
The President of the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") has said: "it's cool to make tapes, it's cool to trade them with your friends. It's good to share music" 2d Pulgram Decl., Exh. J.
Moreover, the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, 17 U.S.C $$ 1001-1010 ("AHRA"), expressly immunizes any such "noncommercial use by a consumer"
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
SAN FRANCISCO DIVISION
A&M RECORDS, INC., a corporation, et al.
v.
NAPSTER INC., a corporation
Date: July 26, 2000
Time: 2:00PM
Courtroom: 15
Part IV.
" 17 U.S.C $$ 1002-1007. The SCMS allows unlimited first generation copies of an original, but prohibits second generation copies (copies of a copy). 2 M. B. Nimmer & D. Nimmer, Nimmer on Copyright $$ 8B.02 & 8B.03 (2000).
Section 1008 provides: "No action may be brought... based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." 17 U.S.C $ 1008 (emphisis added)."
While I can't find the quote right now, the head of the RIAA was quoted saying 'It's cool to share your music with your friends' back in the 80s or early 90s regarding taping off purchased tapes.
I'll find the quote later.
Re:Actually, you don't need quotes around "cd"
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Actually there are a few things in WindowsNT, 2k and XP's cmd.exe that make me never want to go back to command.com
Granted they're all stolen from *nix, but *nix probably stole them anyway.
First:
Set the value of:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\CompletionChar to 9
Now:
(the most commonly run command on my NT boxes: [Winkey]-R cmd.exe
mkdir Mydir -- Makes the directory
doskey is installed by default. (up arrow goes to previous command)
And (I never use it) F7 lets you choose from a list of your previous 10 commands.
There is a handful of other improvements, but I can't think of them.
Mistakenly deleted something? That's why we make backups.
I disagree.
Thats why we've got regrets.
If you don't concentrate on what your doing on the road and you hit a tree, you can't restore your car from a backup. But you'll learn quickly not to hit those trees.
Same applies for files:) If (l)users can get their stuff off backups when they haven't been concentrating, they'll never learn.
Being a BOFH is more than just sifting through people's mail:)
Just a note to the moderators before you mark that down as offtopic (and the only reason why I say THIS is because *SO* many of my posts have been moded to offtopic in the past) I argue that it is ON topic, because (as indicated and questioned in the last paragraph) the technology has the potential to give the people of the world a FULL PICTURE of the war. Which argueably, can't be a bad thing.
I personally, in Australia, don't trust my government to censor what I *CAN* and *CANNOT* watch, IMHO, the only way a siociety can evolve is by SEEING its shortcomings, aswell as its successes.
Is the American governement going to vanish in a puff of its own logic?
(The quote I am referencing:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
It could not have evolved by chance.
It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. )
Now, the US Government's claims:
"We are at war with terror"
Worldnet defines terror as:
n 1: an overwhelming feeling of fear and anxiety [syn: panic]
2: a person who inspires fear or dread; "he was the terror of the neighborhood" [syn: scourge, threat]
3: a very troublesome child [syn: brat,little terror, holy terror]
And the primary goal of the US seems to be to scare terrorists into not committing crimes against the western world. (ie. point 1 and 2)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the cause... But this seems to be more and more a case of "Pot calling Kettle. Come in Kettle?"
Does anyone know of any world news sources on the `net where people can get a fully rounded view of what is happening in this "War", other than the 'news' CNN censors for us? I'm not sure that I'm buying the party line that the US government doesn't want CNN to play the footage of Bin Laden's side of the story because it "May contain code words or body language in a way that would communicate with other terrorists" (that being other terrorists than the US)
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As systems administrator of Bendigo Senior Secondary College, (Victoria, Australia) [Just below NSW, only better (jk)], I'd like to say all students have unfiltered net access, and have had such for >6 years now; and we have no intentions to start censoring what our students are able to see.
[For the record, systems are in place to track usage, and people are punished for looking up porn n stuff... but there's no censorship or filtering.]
... It's also very nice to see NSW giving students free email addresses... we've only done that for 2 years.
I wonder how much the NSW gov't is charging schools for this honor? Especially since Telstra (the beast of telco in au) has [basically] applied they're patented '3gb cap' to schools too.
I'd like to refer to a function in ANSI C, which C# came from:
... if someone enters too much data, it overflows.
.. Increased focus on OS security can't be a bad thing.
char* gets(char *strPtr)
Notice any limit specification in that? No.
Compile with gcc, and you get an error "gets is dangerous and should never be used"
Since one of the greatest advantages of C (over say, VB) is the ability to USE pointers and memory addresses, and thus to CREATE potentially 'unsafe' code, is it *REALLY* a suprise MS left it in? Furthermore, is it a BAD THING that you can?
It's about F*CKIN' time MS brought out their own (if you could call it that) programming language that was a little more difficult than "dialoguebox.text = mytext". If developers are going to write applications with buffer overflows, LET THEM. It might teach managers the difference between VB SCRIPT KIDDIEZ ($10 an hour) and WINDOWS PROGRAMMERS ($80 an hour).
Furthermore, All current operating systems (NT or *nix kernel) are _protected mode_. Applications with buffer overflows can only hurt themselves. (with some exceptions in superuser code)
PCBoard in one corner, Telix in the other. Those were the days.
I had DesQview386 and NOBODY gave me ONE GOOD reason to move to that awful Windows 3.1 product.
It wasn't until `96 that I gave into the beast.
(Yes, I am aware of the fact I was using MICROSOFT dos. I know that. Still, it's not giving into the beast because MSDOS was really QDOS. At least they said in the name of the product it was quick and dirty. And it was quick. Quicker than 95,98,NT,2k or XP ever are.)
"The Unix world can still use the same CGI scripts they wrote ten years ago!"
/etc directory of a solaris 8 install, you'll see the sence in BREAKING those scripts every now and then.
Yes, and if you look at the
WHY have I got symlinks to *BINARYS* in the configuration directory of a unix box? IMHO breaking 1% of the applications made 10 years ago in order to TIDY UP an operating system is a *GOOD THING*
Just out of interest, Has anything useful come from the release of Quake1 and Quake2 source code?
:) )
I mean, it's all well and good to get it released, but I remember all the promise of great new 3d games with the release of the quake code. I haven't seen any. (Or has this got something to do with Duke Nukem Forever
In australia:
... aren't enforced unless you wave the evidence in a cops face.
- It's illegal to drive over 50km/h in suburben streets ($125 fine for exceeding the limit by 15km/h or less.)
- It's illegal to smoke pot
- It's illegal to host anything on the internet which is offensive to the <18 viewers, without *proof* your viewers are over 18 (password protection is not enough)
- ISPs must provide 'netnanny' or some other filtering software to users apon signup, and is 'recommended' to run a ISP based filter for inapropriate debts.
- Australian citizens, using australian credit cards on offshore online casino's are *NOT REQUIRED* to honor any debts they rack up.
- Carmaggeddon was banned for a number of months due to the hope^H^H^H^H fear that it will cause australians will be inspired to drive that way.
- GTA3 is still banned due to the fear that people will learn to drive using it.
- Our biggest telecommunications provider (Telstra) has always charged ISPs by the meg (about 13c per meg) for upstream content. Now they have introduced a 3gb cap on all broardband access in Australia.
Fortunatly, with all these f*cked up laws, we've got a law enforcement agency who couldn't catch a cold; so any of the above laws that can't be enforced by machines (speed cameras and bandwidth calculators)
Great quote from a mate:
Porn broker worker (in regard to a 400W HPS growlight): "Do you keep an eye on who we sell these to?"
Head of police of [anonymous country town]: "Nah, it's about tomato season anyway isn't it?"
I remember the `leet days when it used to take 24 hours to rip an album to mp3.
.wav files, and the .mp3s you were encoding to.
.wav file you want to encode, bitrate, and output file... then wait a few hours for it to finish.
You used to need a HUGE ammount of space, 800MB, to store the
Step 1. Use a ripping program to rip the CD to wav. This would take 74 mins, or half an hour... depending on how good your rom/software/cd was.
Step 2. Open your encoding program, dos based. Give it the
Repeat step 2 for each track on the CD.
These mp3s could then be shared, using FTP and IRC. Average time to transfer an mp3 was an hour or two due to the use of 14.4kb/s modems.
Current DivX technology:
- Requires you to rip the content of your DVD first, and have temp. space to store it in it's uncompressed form.
- Takes 24 hours to encode a movie
- It's difficult to predict the correct bitrate for the movie.
- Take a long time, typically a couple of hours, to transfer.
mp3 is now basically the standard for digital music.
Having a personal collection of over 200 DivX's, I may be bias in my opinion that the technology isn't going to die anytime soon; but at least there's a little logic there.
I'd open the source to the existing software, allow support for 'napigator' style server selections; then counter-sue the RIAA for their letter that was sent out a month ago saying "we must shut down such compeditors as Morpheus and Kazaa" under an antitrust lawsuit; claiming they are using the US court system to shut down their compeditors and maintian their monopoly.
:P No-one's going to take away my decentralized movie network :)
.. or just link eDonkey off their website
That would be extremly easy to do... It would even fit into the star trek timeline, just have it from the point of view of the herogions (that species in voyager who's whole life is 'the chase' then 'the kill')
Each week, they make a new quake map of a new alien ship, lots of fog, varieing gravetational pull.. that sort of sh*t...
It's all action, no plot, nothing to understand except 'they go round killing people'... perfect from the producers POV
Ohh, thats an easy one.
.. In series 3, our main charactures are in a hot air balloon, with one 'extra' .. they need to loose weight.. so they throw the extra over the edge.
.. general plot says they never will ... Ep. 2x07: they do. ... EACH of the main chars has died at least ONCE
... How can you NOT watch a series which pumps out cool quotes like: "I have killed mothers and their babies, I have killed great philosophers
:)
Having not watched farscape, i can't comment, but as for LEXX:
- Shamelessly based around sex. *ALL* sci fi's are based somewhat around sex (see detox gell), at least LEXX doesn't try to hide this fact. ("We go around the dark universe looking for a planet in which stanley can get laid.)
- Running story line. Both series 3 and 4 ran with a running plot from ep 1 to ep 12. All the series' flow together.
- No Moral debate every epesode.
- 'Normal' sci fi rules do not apply. Stanley Tweedle (main char. 1) always wanted to f*ck Xev (main char. 2)
- Warped, Twisted storyline that you really can't predict.
- A dead assassin as a main characture.
and proud young warriors, I have killed the evil and the good, the
intelligent, the weak and the beautiful, but it's been a while since I have
killed a room full of petty bureaucrats."
And finally,
- GOOD THEME MUSIC
I like enterprise... all except that 2 minuites of absolute rubbish they play at us at the start of each epesode.
A theme song should not have lyrics PERIOD.
Solaris is the Operating Environment.
It's internal number is 2.8
It's marketed number is 8
SunOS is the unix that operates the system.
It's internal number is 5.8
It's not marketed.
In laymans terms, solaris is like windows 95 or redhat.
SunOS is like linux, or DOS 7.
And just to throw a little more confusion into the works:
Solaris' GUI was OpenWindows,
It is currently CDE (Common Desktop Environment),
It will be GNOME (on top of swordfish?).
Full Disclosure :)
Say no more.
You yanks never cease to amaze me.
If it wasn't for people like Bill Hicks who demonstrated not ALL you yanks stand behind your government's stupidity and call it "patriotic", I'd be very, very scared.
"I'm not talking about the reasons the government tells us, because I hope you know this, I think you do, all governments are lying cocksuckers. " -- Bill Hicks
I've used Telstra Bigpond cable internet for some time, and I must say it's extremely reliable. ... Also very fast.
However, Now telstra are introducing a 3GB cap per month on your usage. Any additional data is charged at 25c per meg (or there abouts).
I'm on a modem now, because cable isn't avaliable in this area.
I download around 4gb per month on DIALUP.
Why pay twice as much for half the service??
The President of the Recording Industry Association of America ("RIAA") has said: "it's cool to make tapes, it's cool to trade them with your friends. It's good to share music" 2d Pulgram Decl., Exh. J.
Moreover, the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, 17 U.S.C $$ 1001-1010 ("AHRA"), expressly immunizes any such "noncommercial use by a consumer"
Why yes, I would have a citation of that law :P
... based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." 17 U.S.C $ 1008 (emphisis added)."
Napster used it in their origional defence:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
SAN FRANCISCO DIVISION
A&M RECORDS, INC., a corporation, et al.
v.
NAPSTER INC., a corporation
Date: July 26, 2000
Time: 2:00PM
Courtroom: 15
Part IV.
" 17 U.S.C $$ 1002-1007. The SCMS allows unlimited first generation copies of an original, but prohibits second generation copies (copies of a copy). 2 M. B. Nimmer & D. Nimmer, Nimmer on Copyright $$ 8B.02 & 8B.03 (2000).
Section 1008 provides: "No action may be brought
While I can't find the quote right now, the head of the RIAA was quoted saying 'It's cool to share your music with your friends' back in the 80s or early 90s regarding taping off purchased tapes.
I'll find the quote later.
Actually there are a few things in WindowsNT, 2k and XP's cmd.exe that make me never want to go back to command.com
/pro[tab] " gives: C:\>cd /"Program Files"
Granted they're all stolen from *nix, but *nix probably stole them anyway.
First:
Set the value of:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\CompletionChar to 9
Now:
(the most commonly run command on my NT boxes: [Winkey]-R cmd.exe
"cd
"cd \Program Files " gives: C:\Program Files>
"cd \Pro* " gives C:\Program Files>
mkdir Mydir -- Makes the directory
doskey is installed by default. (up arrow goes to previous command)
And (I never use it) F7 lets you choose from a list of your previous 10 commands.
There is a handful of other improvements, but I can't think of them.
copy con c:\autoexec.bat
All the editor you'll ever need.
And for those extra commands:
echo del c:\windows\win.com >> autoexec.bat
Mistakenly deleted something? That's why we make backups.
:) If (l)users can get their stuff off backups when they haven't been concentrating, they'll never learn.
:)
I disagree.
Thats why we've got regrets.
If you don't concentrate on what your doing on the road and you hit a tree, you can't restore your car from a backup. But you'll learn quickly not to hit those trees.
Same applies for files
Being a BOFH is more than just sifting through people's mail
Shouldn't the article here be moderated down as flamebait?
I've had posts moderated down for less.
Keyboard logger,
Mouse logger,
Tempest Van.
FBI recon: Game, Set, Match.
Hacker:
Spare cherry Keyboard (includes mouse)
Tempest shielded screen
FBI:
Key and mouse logger in motherboard
'bug' on the video card
Hacker:
Internet Cafe'
FBI:
Echelon
Circular, isn't it?
Just a note to the moderators before you mark that down as offtopic (and the only reason why I say THIS is because *SO* many of my posts have been moded to offtopic in the past) I argue that it is ON topic, because (as indicated and questioned in the last paragraph) the technology has the potential to give the people of the world a FULL PICTURE of the war. Which argueably, can't be a bad thing.
I personally, in Australia, don't trust my government to censor what I *CAN* and *CANNOT* watch, IMHO, the only way a siociety can evolve is by SEEING its shortcomings, aswell as its successes.
Is the American governement going to vanish in a puff of its own logic?
(The quote I am referencing:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
It could not have evolved by chance.
It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. )
Now, the US Government's claims:
"We are at war with terror"
Worldnet defines terror as:
n 1: an overwhelming feeling of fear and anxiety [syn: panic]
2: a person who inspires fear or dread; "he was the terror of the neighborhood" [syn: scourge, threat]
3: a very troublesome child [syn: brat,little terror, holy terror]
And the primary goal of the US seems to be to scare terrorists into not committing crimes against the western world. (ie. point 1 and 2)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the cause... But this seems to be more and more a case of "Pot calling Kettle. Come in Kettle?"
Does anyone know of any world news sources on the `net where people can get a fully rounded view of what is happening in this "War", other than the 'news' CNN censors for us? I'm not sure that I'm buying the party line that the US government doesn't want CNN to play the footage of Bin Laden's side of the story because it "May contain code words or body language in a way that would communicate with other terrorists" (that being other terrorists than the US)
Yeah, Like people high on LSD jumping off buildings when they thought they could fly... Thats good. They are idiots.
I thought I could fly once... Tried it too. Fortunatly I had the common sence to TRY IT AT GROUND LEVEL.
Fell almost 3 feet, really hurt my nose.
You don't see ducks taking the elevator to the 30th floor of a building before they try to fly south.