Actually, i'd venture people are a lot more altruistic then you give them credit for, my AC friend.
Look at people contributing to various communities and companies because they believe in them. Kuro5hin raised 35,000 dollars in two days, from a comparatively small reader population. Either RH or LM posted their first positive money flow recently. People, if they believe in things, will contribute to them. I, personally, bought Mandrake Powerpack to support the company and get nice printed manuals, and i got some customer support i don't think i'll need.
You're correct that running business models on free products can be very little cash flow, but if the company plays fair, supports the community, they community will only get larger and give back. What goes around, comes around.
If you ask how many people go/. subscriptions, i think it will be higher than most people believe. Communities such as open-source will continue to work, due to the quality of the products (Apache, Mozilla, Open Office to name a few) and sense of community and dedication to principles.
If only the whole world could act as well as the open-source community does.
(Disclaimer : Im not a raving open-source lunatic, though i might sound like it. Open-source is simply a great community design, and most people in the community have a strong sense of humanism and principles. Im also drunk)
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World of sleaze by regurgitator is another good one to put on. Fits in with slashdot editors nicely.
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I've got that cd by the gurge, its kick ass. Are you an aussie by any chance on by?
Plus, keep posting monotony reports. The battle must have the stats!
If they're really into this for the consumer, then they should be investigating spyware and malicious web-pages under their jurisdiction.
While this is good news for helping net newbies, i don't think they did this for the consumers. Probably a few well-known companies were a bit pissed off that search engines linked to competitors over them.
But if they are in it for the proper reasons, more power to them, and start addressing spyware.
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Like i care about being modded down. Unlike some slashdoterians, i think karma != penis size.
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Listen, whether or not you want mobile phones or not in cinemas is really none of my business. But complaining about being modded down at slashdot is really, really, pointless. I mean, i don't post anything insightful or interesting, yet i've got a bonus./. moderation is completely random. Don't treat it as a personal attack.
I like leaving sigs on, because there are some witty and informative sigs. But yours, in bold nonetheless, is annoying. At least turn off the bold, and if possible, stop quoting yourself.
And i didn't attack your sig. I attacked the comment you made in reply to someone asking about the sig. FFS.
And the comment about someone being an AC, when you yourself posted as an AC, was pure gold. (Unless that wasn't you, in that case i will apologize.)
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Did i say i was for or against mobile phones, fuckface? No, i said he argued the point rather poorly, which is my own fucking opinion, not fact. Don't treat it as such.
He also needs to learn that you get modded down and modded up, not matter what. He gotted modded down, and feels like its his duty to tell the whole world that.(Thats why i said he needs to grow up)
Moderation never works, and someone with your UID should realise that. Nanogator can't handle slashdot moderation.
Normally im pretty polite, but sometimes people who think they're better than everyone else get to me. Nanogator is one such person.
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No, you lost karma points because you insisted on having mobile phones in cinemas, and argued the point rather poorly.
When will you learn to grow up?
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Because he was setup. Its quite simple to realise it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. The pre-cogs saw it was a pre-meditated crime, because they realized that Anderton would know about what he was meant to do a few days in advance. It was kinda weird, but it actually happened, thanks to in charge dude (name?) and the precogs.
I went and was minority report a few days ago
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And i was impressed by the attention they gave to the issues they were addressing. Now only if they got a better chick to play agatha, and perhaps not so disgusting scenes (that sandwich was disgusting), I would of given 5 out of 5.
Your comment is very insightful, and it has given me more of an insight into the views of short-term copyrights, of which I must come to an agreement with.
A few things -
So the first copyright act basically made copyright 14 years. Not 70. Not 30. Just 14. This was because, people at the time understood that copyright was designed to enrich the public domain.
Agreement with you notwithstanding, 14 years would be a completely different ball game back in those days. I think you would find that an individual was probably the main holder of copyright back in those days, and due to life expectancy and the communication forms back in those days, 14 years was probably both an appopriate time for an individual, and for society.
But 12 years, as stated earlier, seems a little quick towards public domain.I can think of numerous examples of books, music and poetry which do not gain acclaim and popularity until long after they are written. While these are extreme cases, I personally don't think its fair to deprive an artist of income, just because they happened to have ideas and/or music which became popular and mainstream after 13 years, or whatever.
In the current society, we are faced with two opposing ideals. One is, due to the information age, and society speeding along, anything written over 10 years ago will be horrifically outdated, and should be released to the public domain as quickly as possible. The other seems to view that due to the corporatization of ideas and art, copyrights should be held for a substantial time to allow proper rewards for the development and foster of art.
In the year 1930 over 10,000 books were published. Of those 10,000+ books, only 175 are still in print. Don't you find that tragic? 9,825 books are locked up forever to protect those 175 books, books that probably don't sell that well anyway, and books that would've been written even if copyright were only 12 years.
I find that reprimandable, and diverging a little, it seems to me that probably the best authors to support are the ones that are slightly more altruistic with their stories/ideas. Is there anyway you can release your works to public domain, without still holding to the fact you can turnaround and sue/prosecute later?
But the replies both by you and as of current 2 other posters have given me food for thought. Thanks.
Im not advocating long term copyright, but just so theres more of a balance. Books, especially, might not become popular until about 20 years after they're written, and unless for completely altruistic reasons on the authors part, he is going to lose some money.
Though, 12 years does probably seem a long time in todays digital age, it just seemed short in the scheme of things. Maybe im wrong.
That sounds a bit more like freeloading then allowing creative content to be heard/watched/read. Library systems only lend out art for limited times, why should their be a change to giving out things permanently?
Information wants to be free blah blah blah, but seriously, why should a person have to give up everything hes worked for after 12 years? Lending = ok, giving for free = not ok.
This will more than likely be modded down (due to dissent), but i would like a response on your thoughts.
Again, i state. The author is a Music journalist, and is largely clueless on technology, pointed out by this article and other articles written by the author in my city newspaper.
Well, considering Nui Te Koha, the writer of said article, is a music journalist, I think the bias of the story becomes quite understandable (though its wrong).
Hes not a bad music journalist, but obviously has no idea about technology.
Unfortunately, that is the case. While the average good cop/fbi agent whatever wouldn't really care about tracking habits, people with grudges and/or in a position to blackmail can certainly abuse it. Its a pity we can't trust anyone, i wish the world wasn't so fucked up.
Not, people want the code to be released so they can develop native apps for it easier, using the libraries already there, and for things like the linux emulators. Openness of the code and the formats, not GPL'd, is what really should happen.
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Write in Moderation, +10 funny.
Bravo, well said Sir.
Im sick of people like the grandparent of my post as well.
You're as bad as ChrisD.
Fuckwit.
Get over yourself. Warcraft series always has, and hopefully always will have a cartoonish look.
Actually, i'd venture people are a lot more altruistic then you give them credit for, my AC friend.
/. subscriptions, i think it will be higher than most people believe. Communities such as open-source will continue to work, due to the quality of the products (Apache, Mozilla, Open Office to name a few) and sense of community and dedication to principles.
Look at people contributing to various communities and companies because they believe in them. Kuro5hin raised 35,000 dollars in two days, from a comparatively small reader population. Either RH or LM posted their first positive money flow recently. People, if they believe in things, will contribute to them. I, personally, bought Mandrake Powerpack to support the company and get nice printed manuals, and i got some customer support i don't think i'll need.
You're correct that running business models on free products can be very little cash flow, but if the company plays fair, supports the community, they community will only get larger and give back. What goes around, comes around.
If you ask how many people go
If only the whole world could act as well as the open-source community does.
(Disclaimer : Im not a raving open-source lunatic, though i might sound like it. Open-source is simply a great community design, and most people in the community have a strong sense of humanism and principles. Im also drunk)
World of sleaze by regurgitator is another good one to put on. Fits in with slashdot editors nicely.
I've got that cd by the gurge, its kick ass. Are you an aussie by any chance on by?
Plus, keep posting monotony reports. The battle must have the stats!
- A loyal fan of yours.
I was under the impression that YAHOO uses Google? Or is my information incorrect?
If they're really into this for the consumer, then they should be investigating spyware and malicious web-pages under their jurisdiction.
While this is good news for helping net newbies, i don't think they did this for the consumers. Probably a few well-known companies were a bit pissed off that search engines linked to competitors over them.
But if they are in it for the proper reasons, more power to them, and start addressing spyware.
Like i care about being modded down. Unlike some slashdoterians, i think karma != penis size.
Listen, whether or not you want mobile phones or not in cinemas is really none of my business. But complaining about being modded down at slashdot is really, really, pointless. I mean, i don't post anything insightful or interesting, yet i've got a bonus. /. moderation is completely random. Don't treat it as a personal attack.
I like leaving sigs on, because there are some witty and informative sigs. But yours, in bold nonetheless, is annoying. At least turn off the bold, and if possible, stop quoting yourself.
And i didn't attack your sig. I attacked the comment you made in reply to someone asking about the sig. FFS.
And the comment about someone being an AC, when you yourself posted as an AC, was pure gold. (Unless that wasn't you, in that case i will apologize.)
Did i say i was for or against mobile phones, fuckface? No, i said he argued the point rather poorly, which is my own fucking opinion, not fact. Don't treat it as such.
He also needs to learn that you get modded down and modded up, not matter what. He gotted modded down, and feels like its his duty to tell the whole world that.(Thats why i said he needs to grow up)
Moderation never works, and someone with your UID should realise that. Nanogator can't handle slashdot moderation.
Normally im pretty polite, but sometimes people who think they're better than everyone else get to me. Nanogator is one such person.
No, you lost karma points because you insisted on having mobile phones in cinemas, and argued the point rather poorly.
When will you learn to grow up?
Because he was setup. Its quite simple to realise it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. The pre-cogs saw it was a pre-meditated crime, because they realized that Anderton would know about what he was meant to do a few days in advance. It was kinda weird, but it actually happened, thanks to in charge dude (name?) and the precogs.
And i was impressed by the attention they gave to the issues they were addressing. Now only if they got a better chick to play agatha, and perhaps not so disgusting scenes (that sandwich was disgusting), I would of given 5 out of 5.
Good review, btw.
Shhhh... don't point out most slashbot's are hypocritical, they don't like it when you do that.
Woops...
Your comment is very insightful, and it has given me more of an insight into the views of short-term copyrights, of which I must come to an agreement with.
A few things -
So the first copyright act basically made copyright 14 years. Not 70. Not 30. Just 14. This was because, people at the time understood that copyright was designed to enrich the public domain.
Agreement with you notwithstanding, 14 years would be a completely different ball game back in those days. I think you would find that an individual was probably the main holder of copyright back in those days, and due to life expectancy and the communication forms back in those days, 14 years was probably both an appopriate time for an individual, and for society.
But 12 years, as stated earlier, seems a little quick towards public domain.I can think of numerous examples of books, music and poetry which do not gain acclaim and popularity until long after they are written. While these are extreme cases, I personally don't think its fair to deprive an artist of income, just because they happened to have ideas and/or music which became popular and mainstream after 13 years, or whatever.
In the current society, we are faced with two opposing ideals. One is, due to the information age, and society speeding along, anything written over 10 years ago will be horrifically outdated, and should be released to the public domain as quickly as possible. The other seems to view that due to the corporatization of ideas and art, copyrights should be held for a substantial time to allow proper rewards for the development and foster of art.
In the year 1930 over 10,000 books were published. Of those 10,000+ books, only 175 are still in print. Don't you find that tragic? 9,825 books are locked up forever to protect those 175 books, books that probably don't sell that well anyway, and books that would've been written even if copyright were only 12 years.
I find that reprimandable, and diverging a little, it seems to me that probably the best authors to support are the ones that are slightly more altruistic with their stories/ideas. Is there anyway you can release your works to public domain, without still holding to the fact you can turnaround and sue/prosecute later?
But the replies both by you and as of current 2 other posters have given me food for thought. Thanks.
Im not advocating long term copyright, but just so theres more of a balance. Books, especially, might not become popular until about 20 years after they're written, and unless for completely altruistic reasons on the authors part, he is going to lose some money.
Though, 12 years does probably seem a long time in todays digital age, it just seemed short in the scheme of things. Maybe im wrong.
That sounds a bit more like freeloading then allowing creative content to be heard/watched/read. Library systems only lend out art for limited times, why should their be a change to giving out things permanently?
Information wants to be free blah blah blah, but seriously, why should a person have to give up everything hes worked for after 12 years? Lending = ok, giving for free = not ok.
This will more than likely be modded down (due to dissent), but i would like a response on your thoughts.
Again, i state. The author is a Music journalist, and is largely clueless on technology, pointed out by this article and other articles written by the author in my city newspaper.
The only problem is, he wasn't first post. But what you can't see, doesn't exist, right?
Well, considering Nui Te Koha, the writer of said article, is a music journalist, I think the bias of the story becomes quite understandable (though its wrong).
Hes not a bad music journalist, but obviously has no idea about technology.
Gee, you think? Who the hell doesn't know that tps12 is a troll? Stop stating the obvious.
Unfortunately, that is the case. While the average good cop/fbi agent whatever wouldn't really care about tracking habits, people with grudges and/or in a position to blackmail can certainly abuse it. Its a pity we can't trust anyone, i wish the world wasn't so fucked up.
Not, people want the code to be released so they can develop native apps for it easier, using the libraries already there, and for things like the linux emulators. Openness of the code and the formats, not GPL'd, is what really should happen.