If you use the spamcop BlackList, then you are completley driven by a monkey on speed. Anyone can report spam with spamcop and it ends up in the spamcop BlackList. Imagine if you miss a securityfocus posting onto one of the sf lists and you can't update your stuff right away. Now tell me, would your boss like THAT?
It gets a host unreachable or similar if the domain is not valid. Spammer do not hijacke an isp's server, they use open relays, open proxies and so on. What they put in their Return-path (part of the envelope) is their biz so bounces get to the Return-path address if the domain is bouncing. You better fight back in analyzing your spam, report it to the ISPs (hoster, dropbox providers etc) and dive into usenet into nanae. For getting some practice I mean:)
As a professional/. lurker, I can tell you that they can sell my profile as long as they want. Ever heard of bogus information? Throway email addresses?
There is other stuff out there for prevention in spamming terms. It is called SPEWS (spam prevention early warning system) and is quite effective in filtering spam if you already have some "burned" addresses. But it can block legit emails too.
I'll warn you. It could suck up your transfer rate if you have one. The bounced emails? I doubt it that there are any on demagogical8@radburya.gov or unretaliated@palaeornithine.slapping.info or rTewstx4kljls@thurt.tv, do you?
I care very much. I want to receive legit email. Nobody - not you, not SPEWS, not my ISP, not anyone's ISP - has the right to prevent me from receiving mail I want that is intended for me.
SPEWS is optional. 'nuff said. We decided to use it. Plain and simple. What are you whining about? Set up your own mailserver if you wanna have all the crapload comming straight from roadrunner accounts but for 'sake, don't whine about spam.
If the sysadmins, the CEO et all know about SPEWS and know how SPEWS works, they'll do what they can to not getting listed (nuke spammers with zero tolerance for example). But if the CEO is letting the spammer sign up and more important: let them stay up; someone needs to PREVENT the users from the next bunch of spammers which will sign up with this pro spam|scum ISP- and most important - and will get an IP (or even a block of IPs) from the blackhat ISP, then the goal of SPEWS has been reached: Prevention. I won't get any mails from additional spammers on their network because SPEWS prevented me to receive them.
And if every customer who has a clue about spam and spam support moves to a white hat ISP (yes, the're plenty of them around), the ISP has to close the sooner the better.
Remember: SPEWS lists pro spam ISPs only. And only whole blocks in order that the PREVENTION comes into effect. Sorry for my poor english - it's not my native language as one can guess.
BTW your comparison to the police is really lame. The police is acting on public ground. The servers where my email passing trough is just not public and I (well in my case my sysadmin) can decide who to put in "jail" or not. And yes, I know that SPEWS blocks legit emails but I do not care about it - I do not want to receive emails from spam supporting folks.
I ask you, how does that make the internet a better place?
It stoppes beeing flooed by fscking spammers like you signed up with one. Good that you disconnected them. The term for SPEWS is: education. If only more ISPs would act as you did, the internet would be a better place for sure. The problem is, that as long no one gets hurt (read: loses money because customer quit their services), loads of ISPs does not enforce their AUP, has bad AUPs or are pro-spamming. Only if they really get a clue what's going on, they act. Read: Education. Prevention.
See the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email [google.com] to see just how the spews people treat those who politely ask for erroneous entried to be removed and PROVE they have nothing to do with spammers.
You didn't get it, did you? There are no SPEWS people posting in nanae. SPEWS does not talk to anyone. You do not prove that you do not have something with spammers, you disconnect them and you get unlisted if they are gone. Gone means, no WWW, no eMail, no DNS. Nothing. Go read the FAQ as it looks to me that you didn't. Your listing was for shure NOT randomly as you stated yourself that you where in the neighbourhood of some spammers. Get a clue.
We use SPEWS. It reduces spam to 5% of before. It rocks.
All we got (tinw) was a lousy mug, color something between white and grey printed with the anniversary of the company I work for. It wasn't even filled with candies or so, just a clean mug. I hate mugs.
I guess you're all interested in this, ok, more or less:) Yes, the Jaguar actually followed the spotter and he got threaten on his voice mailbox. Mirrors here.
... not me but another guy posted this in ch.comp.os.linux. It's in german, but in short: he got a Dell Notebook finally without the OS (2k or XP) and he paid 7% less than with OS. Not bad.
As I tried the day before WMA streaming, I could enter URLs (via the spacialaudio plugin for Winamp) into the stream and whoooom, Windows Media Player opened Internet Explorer and went to the sent URL. Isn't this one of the first possibilities to push the webpage to the user (well besides other nasty popups)?
IMHO this is a huge security gap (imagine a bunch (well let's say 10000) of WMA listeners while you send them all the same URL, nice DDoS he?) and should not be possible. Blame the WMA format?
Hey, I'm not sitting on or just in front of the S/390, it just feels as it would be so. Got it? Well and with a virtual tape library, waiting for tapes should not be the pain any more:)
I (better: we) got a nice sponsorship from a young webhoster, we have an own static IP, no quotas, unlimited mail accounts POP3/IMAP/forward, of course all the nifty stuff as PHP/Perl/MySQL/Webalizer. This means our site has 8mbit (or more) upstream bandwidth. We're happy. Since 4 years. What's missing (but in the pipe) is RBL filtering on incoming mails.
Talk to some guys at some ISPs/Hosters and ask them if they would do you a favour when you do the same to them - works a lot.
Because after our network guys changed the comms for one terminal emulation application (inhouse developpment) to TCP/IP, it feels now when doing some entries on the host, that I sit right on the mainframe, speed related I mean. I just luv our hosts.
Of course, the rest of the world (Europe especially) do seem intent on matching American laws, so making American law sane would indirectly affect me, but that seems a very roundabout way to make my money effective.
That's exactly one of the biggest reasons why I joined EFF out of Switzerland. Think again about it for a while - I had to think a while too. Then I concluded that with whining about Europe taking over U.S. laws I wouldn't change anything. So I sent them a $100 cheque and I'm going to send them more.
I also have an email address that is used solely for usenet - this one receives by far the most spam.
Well then you receive quite an amount of spam as every address on usenet get spammed (or at least a huge percentage of it). It does not work if you say to yourself "I only get spam on my usenet addresses" 'cause you still get it... And by the way: with a decent Browser (eg Mozilla), you are unable to uncheck the hotmail address sharing options.
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100M users protected by SBL, how much users are blocked by SPEWS? Hands up! Me!
sunbiz.org file for her company. As someone mentioned she's doing biz at home, there seems no problem with this, check here. At least she tries to work legal, however...
Neuros records directly to MP3 format. Next time you synchronize with your PC, Neuros matches the "digital fingerprint" you've recorded to a proprietary online audio database and provides you with the title and artist of the song.
I mean it looks to me that these guys have some copy (or interface to it) of a database containing every existing record published by the music industry. Can this be true? Or has the MI a proprietary and already licensed fingerprinting algorithm/database?
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If you use the spamcop BlackList, then you are completley driven by a monkey on speed. Anyone can report spam with spamcop and it ends up in the spamcop BlackList. Imagine if you miss a securityfocus posting onto one of the sf lists and you can't update your stuff right away. Now tell me, would your boss like THAT?
It gets a host unreachable or similar if the domain is not valid. Spammer do not hijacke an isp's server, they use open relays, open proxies and so on. What they put in their Return-path (part of the envelope) is their biz so bounces get to the Return-path address if the domain is bouncing. You better fight back in analyzing your spam, report it to the ISPs (hoster, dropbox providers etc) and dive into usenet into nanae. For getting some practice I mean :)
As a professional /. lurker, I can tell you that they can sell my profile as long as they want. Ever heard of bogus information? Throway email addresses?
There is other stuff out there for prevention in spamming terms. It is called SPEWS (spam prevention early warning system) and is quite effective in filtering spam if you already have some "burned" addresses. But it can block legit emails too.
I'll warn you. It could suck up your transfer rate if you have one. The bounced emails? I doubt it that there are any on demagogical8@radburya.gov or unretaliated@palaeornithine.slapping.info or rTewstx4kljls@thurt.tv, do you?
Jump with Google.
If the sysadmins, the CEO et all know about SPEWS and know how SPEWS works, they'll do what they can to not getting listed (nuke spammers with zero tolerance for example). But if the CEO is letting the spammer sign up and more important: let them stay up; someone needs to PREVENT the users from the next bunch of spammers which will sign up with this pro spam|scum ISP- and most important - and will get an IP (or even a block of IPs) from the blackhat ISP, then the goal of SPEWS has been reached: Prevention. I won't get any mails from additional spammers on their network because SPEWS prevented me to receive them.
And if every customer who has a clue about spam and spam support moves to a white hat ISP (yes, the're plenty of them around), the ISP has to close the sooner the better.
Remember: SPEWS lists pro spam ISPs only. And only whole blocks in order that the PREVENTION comes into effect. Sorry for my poor english - it's not my native language as one can guess.
BTW your comparison to the police is really lame. The police is acting on public ground. The servers where my email passing trough is just not public and I (well in my case my sysadmin) can decide who to put in "jail" or not. And yes, I know that SPEWS blocks legit emails but I do not care about it - I do not want to receive emails from spam supporting folks.
We use SPEWS. It reduces spam to 5% of before. It rocks.
All we got (tinw) was a lousy mug, color something between white and grey printed with the anniversary of the company I work for. It wasn't even filled with candies or so, just a clean mug. I hate mugs.
I guess you're all interested in this, ok, more or less :) Yes, the Jaguar actually followed the spotter and he got threaten on his voice mailbox. Mirrors here.
... not me but another guy posted this in ch.comp.os.linux. It's in german, but in short: he got a Dell Notebook finally without the OS (2k or XP) and he paid 7% less than with OS. Not bad.
As I tried the day before WMA streaming, I could enter URLs (via the spacialaudio plugin for Winamp) into the stream and whoooom, Windows Media Player opened Internet Explorer and went to the sent URL. Isn't this one of the first possibilities to push the webpage to the user (well besides other nasty popups)?
IMHO this is a huge security gap (imagine a bunch (well let's say 10000) of WMA listeners while you send them all the same URL, nice DDoS he?) and should not be possible. Blame the WMA format?
Hey, I'm not sitting on or just in front of the S/390, it just feels as it would be so. Got it? Well and with a virtual tape library, waiting for tapes should not be the pain any more :)
I (better: we) got a nice sponsorship from a young webhoster, we have an own static IP, no quotas, unlimited mail accounts POP3/IMAP/forward, of course all the nifty stuff as PHP/Perl/MySQL/Webalizer. This means our site has 8mbit (or more) upstream bandwidth. We're happy. Since 4 years. What's missing (but in the pipe) is RBL filtering on incoming mails.
Talk to some guys at some ISPs/Hosters and ask them if they would do you a favour when you do the same to them - works a lot.
Because after our network guys changed the comms for one terminal emulation application (inhouse developpment) to TCP/IP, it feels now when doing some entries on the host, that I sit right on the mainframe, speed related I mean. I just luv our hosts.
Nope. 2nd rule is: see 1st rule ;-)
100M users protected by SBL, how much users are blocked by SPEWS? Hands up! Me!
sunbiz.org file for her company. As someone mentioned she's doing biz at home, there seems no problem with this, check here. At least she tries to work legal, however...