So if I understand correctly, the argument for getting mandriva boils down to: "Use it because it's older than Ubuntu"?
No, the argument is "Use Mandriva because it is more stable, easier to use and works better out of the box." I've tried them all, including Ubuntu, even Gentoo. None come close to Mandriva's usability and administrative tools. And I mean none at all.
... You had to assign copyright to Sun/Oracle,....
Not quite correct. You had to agree to share the copyright, in other words the contributor and Sun (now Oracle) shares the copyright. Neither has exclusive rights.
Technically, remember, that OOo is basically a dressing up and improving of Star Office, started by a German company, so if you want to attribute 90% of the work to someone, I'd put it there, but I don't think, at this point, you can contribute 90% to one entity.
That may have been correct at version 1.0 of OO.o, but was less so by 2.0. Version 3.0 involved an almost complete rewrite. The current OO.o code looks quite different from the original StarOffice.
Granted, Star Office, both program and company, were bought by Sun, but a lot of the work was done well before Sun stepped in and bought it.
See above. Was true, has not been true for several years.
Of course it's a fork. You (the LO mob) might say you'll contribute back, but considering the lousy QA for the first LO release, I doubt Oracle will accept many of the contributions. That means the code-lines *will* diverge. That is the definition of a fork.
Wake up. Sun was assigned the trademark in the USA *after* it had been registered by a private group. This was done so that there would eb sufficient resources to enforce the trademark. Sun was than tasked by the OO.o community to register the trademark in the rest of the world, since they were the only part of the community who had the resources to do so.
When Oracle bought Sun, they inherited the ownership of said trademarks.
As for the "Document Foundation", I personally as a long term member of the OO.o community (since before version 1.0 was released, actually) see their behaviour as that of a spoilt child who couldn't get its own way.
Yes, there is a need for a foundation, but I disagree totally with the way this was done. It looks sneaky and underhanded from where I sit. And no, I do not, and never have, worked for either Sun or Oracle (I happen to be retired, and have lived in Australia my entire life).
According to the wikipedia article on the concorde, it was actually quieter than many other models in service at the time.
I can confirm that.
At one time I lived directly under the flight path to Darwin Airport (in Australia). That airport is also the local Air Force base and runway, so we had not only Boeing 747s and other passenger planes flying directly overhead at an altitude of less than 500 feet, but we also had Air Force Mirages on the same flight path.
During the time I lived there, the Concorde visited, landing and taking off twice (or it might have been 3 times). I'll tell you straight, the Concorde made less noise on take-off than the Jumbo (and they were much quieter than the Mirages).
Still getting a 403 here (in Australia). I particularly want to read your thoughts, because the Desire goes on sale tomorrow morning, and I'm giving serious thought to it....
The idea dates back way beyond then... the Ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu (or Lao Tse f you prefer) wrote that "..the only thing which does not change is change itself." (very roughly paraphrased).
Your real problem is that you are trying to use Ubuntu + Gnome = no chance. Try using a decent distro with KDE - I've always found K3B works perfectly every time, even on encrypted DVDs
No such time as 12 PM (or 12 AM either for that matter). The abbreviations "AM" and "PM" mean "Ante Meridian" (before noon) and "Post Meridian" (after noon) respectively. It can only ever be 12 noon or 12 midnight.
Wouldn't really matter if they had insurance. Sure, you can insure against just about anything, but getting the insurance company to pay up is another story. Something like this, they'd probably just call it an Act of God and refuse to pay.
what, and be forced to install a solar or wind power setup just to run my computer and access the sites they specify? Sorry, the Greens are the worst of the major parties (although at the next election we might be able to classify Family First as a major, in which case the Greens will only be second worst).
Prime Minister Rudd is a Fundamentalist Christian.
The previous Prime Minister, John Howard, was a "devout" (read - fundamentalist) Christian.
The previous government's Health Minister was a Christian fundamentalist, who refused to allow the "morning after" pill to be prescribed, even to women who had suffered rape. He even admitted that the ban was because of his religious beliefs.
It was the Howard government which first started talking about this idea.
The (so-called) Family First party is a front for the extreme Christian fundamentalist groups. Its primary sponsors are the Churches of Christ and the Assemblies of God, two of the most rat-baggy fundamentalist denominations in Australia.
There have recently been a series of current affairs programs showing that the extremist Christian group, the Exclusive Brethren, have been actively interfering in Australian politics at all levels. The are one of the major financial contributors to all major parties.
While politicians are required to reveal any financial matters which may lead to a conflict of interest, they are not required to declare any religious or ideological matters which may lead to a conflict of interest.
IMO, the major risk I see is using this to prevent access to any (insert name of religion) sites other than Christian sites, which would actually be illegal under the Australian Constitution. It would not be the first time an attempt has been made to circumvent the freedom of religion provisions, (and it most certainly won't be the last).
I've yet to meet any non-Scandinavian that likes it, though apparently they sell they stuff in the Netherlands and Germany too.
I was born and bred in Australia of Anglo-Saxon parentage. I love Dutch Salted Liquorice (Dobbel Zoot preferred). That sal ammoniac just adds that little extra.
Ammonium Chloride (aka Sal Ammoniac, aka smelling salts) used to be an integral part of first aid kits until fairly recently, BTW.
You will find that people who originally used wordperfect will adapt to openoffice much easier btw.
Then there are those of us who started with Word Star 3 (and then went on to WordPerfect, then Word 6, tried to get an updated version of WordPerfect only to discover that there ain't no such animal:( ).
FWIW, I have a rating of Advanced skills in MS Word and Excel. I still prefer OO.o (been using it since the pre-1.0.x series), and I use identical methods. It's no more complex to use than Word, the Styles feature removes a lot of the formatting problems I run across in Word, and all my usual keyboard shortcuts are the same. Where's the problem? Or are most people simply too damn lazy to learn how to use it?
Also I would really like to see Base fleshed out. Or at least better documented.
I have tired to play with it but it just makes me nuts.
Check the OO.o documentation pages. There's a full-on tutorial on Base being prepared. IIRC, the advanced setction is not quiteready, but the intermediate part is. Not sure if it's available as yet. You might also like to check out the OO.o wiki, which is where most of the documentation is developed.
Sun can't build for PPC, simply because they have no PPC machines (I suppose they could use a cross-compiler, but then they'd be unable to test).
There are PPC builds available, however, thanks to the long-term efforts of a project member in Japan. He's been providing Mac builds since the early 1.x.x series, and has the support of some commercial entities in Japan. The PPC builds undergo the exact same testing as the Mac Intel builds, so they are just as stable. They are usually uploaded to a server at GoodDay.net
The PPC build will be available though (I'll be including it on the new DVD ISO image, which should be available in about a week). You'll either have to go to the server mentioned above, or look in the/contrib directory.
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So if I understand correctly, the argument for getting mandriva boils down to: "Use it because it's older than Ubuntu"?
No, the argument is "Use Mandriva because it is more stable, easier to use and works better out of the box." I've tried them all, including Ubuntu, even Gentoo. None come close to Mandriva's usability and administrative tools. And I mean none at all.
... You had to assign copyright to Sun/Oracle, ....
Not quite correct. You had to agree to share the copyright, in other words the contributor and Sun (now Oracle) shares the copyright. Neither has exclusive rights.
Technically, remember, that OOo is basically a dressing up and improving of Star Office, started by a German company, so if you want to attribute 90% of the work to someone, I'd put it there, but I don't think, at this point, you can contribute 90% to one entity.
That may have been correct at version 1.0 of OO.o, but was less so by 2.0. Version 3.0 involved an almost complete rewrite. The current OO.o code looks quite different from the original StarOffice.
Granted, Star Office, both program and company, were bought by Sun, but a lot of the work was done well before Sun stepped in and bought it.
See above. Was true, has not been true for several years.
i'm not sure how tacking an english word onto a Spanish one makes sense.
It's French, not Spanish.
I actually like the name LibreOffice more than OpenOffice.
I don't, and I doubt whether many non-OSS purists/evangelists will either.
Of course it's a fork. You (the LO mob) might say you'll contribute back, but considering the lousy QA for the first LO release, I doubt Oracle will accept many of the contributions. That means the code-lines *will* diverge. That is the definition of a fork.
Wake up. Sun was assigned the trademark in the USA *after* it had been registered by a private group. This was done so that there would eb sufficient resources to enforce the trademark. Sun was than tasked by the OO.o community to register the trademark in the rest of the world, since they were the only part of the community who had the resources to do so. When Oracle bought Sun, they inherited the ownership of said trademarks. As for the "Document Foundation", I personally as a long term member of the OO.o community (since before version 1.0 was released, actually) see their behaviour as that of a spoilt child who couldn't get its own way. Yes, there is a need for a foundation, but I disagree totally with the way this was done. It looks sneaky and underhanded from where I sit. And no, I do not, and never have, worked for either Sun or Oracle (I happen to be retired, and have lived in Australia my entire life).
According to the wikipedia article on the concorde, it was actually quieter than many other models in service at the time.
I can confirm that.
At one time I lived directly under the flight path to Darwin Airport (in Australia). That airport is also the local Air Force base and runway, so we had not only Boeing 747s and other passenger planes flying directly overhead at an altitude of less than 500 feet, but we also had Air Force Mirages on the same flight path.
During the time I lived there, the Concorde visited, landing and taking off twice (or it might have been 3 times). I'll tell you straight, the Concorde made less noise on take-off than the Jumbo (and they were much quieter than the Mirages).
What's a good 2nd degree to get?
Nursing.
A good old-fashioned, generalized Bachelor of Arts. You'll be able to apply for many more jobs with that.
Or join the Masons... :)
Still getting a 403 here (in Australia). I particularly want to read your thoughts, because the Desire goes on sale tomorrow morning, and I'm giving serious thought to it....
'Cause they're all twits?
The idea dates back way beyond then... the Ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu (or Lao Tse f you prefer) wrote that "..the only thing which does not change is change itself." (very roughly paraphrased).
Your real problem is that you are trying to use Ubuntu + Gnome = no chance. Try using a decent distro with KDE - I've always found K3B works perfectly every time, even on encrypted DVDs
No such time as 12 PM (or 12 AM either for that matter). The abbreviations "AM" and "PM" mean "Ante Meridian" (before noon) and "Post Meridian" (after noon) respectively. It can only ever be 12 noon or 12 midnight.
I guess they will have to find a shooting star collector if there is such a thing.
ever hear of a museum?
Wouldn't really matter if they had insurance. Sure, you can insure against just about anything, but getting the insurance company to pay up is another story. Something like this, they'd probably just call it an Act of God and refuse to pay.
what, and be forced to install a solar or wind power setup just to run my computer and access the sites they specify? Sorry, the Greens are the worst of the major parties (although at the next election we might be able to classify Family First as a major, in which case the Greens will only be second worst).
Remember the following facts.
Prime Minister Rudd is a Fundamentalist Christian.
The previous Prime Minister, John Howard, was a "devout" (read - fundamentalist) Christian.
The previous government's Health Minister was a Christian fundamentalist, who refused to allow the "morning after" pill to be prescribed, even to women who had suffered rape. He even admitted that the ban was because of his religious beliefs.
It was the Howard government which first started talking about this idea.
The (so-called) Family First party is a front for the extreme Christian fundamentalist groups. Its primary sponsors are the Churches of Christ and the Assemblies of God, two of the most rat-baggy fundamentalist denominations in Australia.
There have recently been a series of current affairs programs showing that the extremist Christian group, the Exclusive Brethren, have been actively interfering in Australian politics at all levels. The are one of the major financial contributors to all major parties.
While politicians are required to reveal any financial matters which may lead to a conflict of interest, they are not required to declare any religious or ideological matters which may lead to a conflict of interest.
IMO, the major risk I see is using this to prevent access to any (insert name of religion) sites other than Christian sites, which would actually be illegal under the Australian Constitution. It would not be the first time an attempt has been made to circumvent the freedom of religion provisions, (and it most certainly won't be the last).
I've yet to meet any non-Scandinavian that likes it, though apparently they sell they stuff in the Netherlands and Germany too.
I was born and bred in Australia of Anglo-Saxon parentage. I love Dutch Salted Liquorice (Dobbel Zoot preferred). That sal ammoniac just adds that little extra. Ammonium Chloride (aka Sal Ammoniac, aka smelling salts) used to be an integral part of first aid kits until fairly recently, BTW.
You will find that people who originally used wordperfect will adapt to openoffice much easier btw.
Then there are those of us who started with Word Star 3 (and then went on to WordPerfect, then Word 6, tried to get an updated version of WordPerfect only to discover that there ain't no such animal :( ).
FWIW, I have a rating of Advanced skills in MS Word and Excel. I still prefer OO.o (been using it since the pre-1.0.x series), and I use identical methods. It's no more complex to use than Word, the Styles feature removes a lot of the formatting problems I run across in Word, and all my usual keyboard shortcuts are the same. Where's the problem? Or are most people simply too damn lazy to learn how to use it?
My question is will there continue to be an X windows build for PPC macs.
No ned for an X11 PPC build, as Maho is providing Aqua builds for PPC (see my comment above).
Also I would really like to see Base fleshed out. Or at least better documented. I have tired to play with it but it just makes me nuts.
Check the OO.o documentation pages. There's a full-on tutorial on Base being prepared. IIRC, the advanced setction is not quiteready, but the intermediate part is. Not sure if it's available as yet. You might also like to check out the OO.o wiki, which is where most of the documentation is developed.
Feature list is available here
Release notes are here
Sun can't build for PPC, simply because they have no PPC machines (I suppose they could use a cross-compiler, but then they'd be unable to test).
There are PPC builds available, however, thanks to the long-term efforts of a project member in Japan. He's been providing Mac builds since the early 1.x.x series, and has the support of some commercial entities in Japan. The PPC builds undergo the exact same testing as the Mac Intel builds, so they are just as stable. They are usually uploaded to a server at GoodDay.net
The PPC build will be available though (I'll be including it on the new DVD ISO image, which should be available in about a week). You'll either have to go to the server mentioned above, or look in the /contrib directory.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/11/skyhook_jhl_40_boeing/ for a fuller story.