Uh... I like the blinking lights. I want MORE (thus my glow-in-the-dark keyboards with multiple color selections, and my LED mouse pad). And I love my XPS, doubly so in a dimly lit room.
My "Gadget Bill of Lights" would be to ask the Gadget and PC makers to please make MORE of these types of equipment and to PLEASE ignore Mike! (Well, I DO agree you should be able to turn the LED's if you want - my Timewarner DVR is ultra-annoying in that way, as it's in the bedroom). But otherwise, cram more LED's in!!!!
I've been using X10 for years. I've really liked it in some houses, have hated it in others (like my current house - doesn't work worth jack, and I haven't spent the time and money to get it working as of yet).
It looks like this new tech (Insteon) also mostly broadcasts over the power lines.
I have a question about this... in today's (often) wireless homes, WHY aren't there power control devices that work like X10, that just use a straight 802.11 wireless network? I have complete, strong, coverage in every part of my house. A wireless router is pretty cheap, and I would imagine that most people that use this type of tech will likely have one. It sure seems like this would work... could do bi-directional comm. Create a common standard (web services on the device maybe??). Is this just a cost and space issue? Shoving a wirelss device with a light computer built in? I'd personally be willing to pay a fair amount for something like this, if it worked 100%.
Anyway. I'll be very interested in seeing what other tech others point out - I'd love to get back to a house that was doing some like X10 for all lights/switches/etc., that was reliable (and just WORKED, on my wiring!)
I've found that a rather large number of people I've worked with as IT people didn't originally get a degree in IT. At least those in the business world. So basing a % on what Major a person gets might not be, for IT at least, very meaningful.
'Course saying that, just looking around I DO notice a lack of girl geeks... so they may be right:)
I cancelled my TiVo subscription 4 days ago - I'm now using BeyondTV. I had the original model of the TiVo, and have been paying the monthly on it since TiVo first came out (yeah, I know, in hindsight I should have bought the lifetime subscription). I loved my TiVo - it really changed how I watched TV. But what I wanted in a DVR is something that records TV, keeps it until I tell it to get rid of it, etc.
The TiVo rep argued with me that they had "resolved" the problems with shows getting deleted. I understand that it wasn't intentionally turned on, but the fact is the device now supports and allows broadcasts to muck around with this kind of thing. They offered to knock the monthly down 1/2, but I'm not interested any more.
I don't like the direction the company is heading in, so I've switched. I'm not going back, unless there's a radically change in their direction - and even then I'm no likely to. I like having control over my DVR - dual headed, 1TB storage, DVD burner, can ADD shows to the machine (and get them off), and I can extend and expand that machine as I see fit.
I've been using a catch-all for years now, and used to love it. Whenever I'd give a e-mail out, it would be company@xxdomainxx.com (so, like, slashdot@xxdomainxx.com) This would let me track companies that sell the e-mail (so I could grip at them - not that it does much good) and turn the e-mail "off".
The problem is, the last year or so, I've been getting randomname@xxdomainxx.com (like john, ralph, fred, at al). Four months ago I was getting 1500 spam to random names. Today I'm hitting about 4900. My spam filter works fairly well, but if it misses even %10, that's a a LOT of spam to deal with - and it usally gets 20-30%.
So, I've essentially turned off the catch-all (still getting it for a while, as I have to change the hundreds of e-mails I've sent out over the years), but the catch-all doesn't go to my main e-mail, it goes to alt on - that ends up in a folder that I go into every now and then (that folder currently has 62k messages - about 99% of them will probably be spam).
I had actually had the project name and a link in the original submit:)
But am ok with it as it ended up - I really want some answers and suggestions to this (and I've gotten a couple of really good ones), not just more traffic.
Yep, I've made way more off donations then Ads at this point. But I'm average about.0011 cents per user. Well, download, hard to get a handle on actual daily users. Which is GREAT, I'm shocked and amazed people donated, but I wouldn't mind adding to that, if I can figure out a non-annoying way to do it:)
I've thought about doing a one-time pop-up. I'll give it a bit more thought before I release the next version:)
I've also thought of a related service that could (COULD) be subscription-based (not the actual product, but a web-based thing that some users might want in addition to it).
I've actually considered embedding Ads in the main StationRipper
window... but don't' know if that would be overly annoying. And showing
something like Google ads may be against the rules...
What I would really like to find is an aggregator that pays per impression...
but DOESN'T do pop-ups, unders, animated ads with sound, etc. While
most people use pop-up blockers these days, I refuse to do something that
annoying.
Is there some OTHER way other open source developers are making money off of
smaller products like this, besides donations and ads? I doubt the
pay-for-support route will work for something like this. While I wouldn't
ever expect to make a lot, it would be nice to cover costs + have a bit left
over to invest in the next development machine.
I'm actually a bit of a cross-roads with the software. I've got some
ideas to expanding it a lot, fix a lot of things users want fixed and add a lot
of new function - but is it worth continuing down that path, or start working on
something else that may be a bit more sales-oriented? So far I've done it
'cause I love programming and it was something interesting and useful to work on
- but it's mostly been (lots) of support, and very little code as of
late.
While this isn't something you really do at work, I recommend Body For Life , for developers (or anyone) that wants to loose fat and put on muscle . For someone who sits at a computer 12+ hours a day, it's done a great job for me. And I guess it KINDA would work at the office - if you build a lot of muscle, just walking around the office as normal will burn more calories:)
Early devices included the chicken vacuum, which sucked up birds and shot
them through tubes to waiting trucks. But the birds tended to plug up the tubes
and turn somersaults as they traveled inside the contraption. We had too many
die on us, recalls Buddy Burruss, vice president of operations at Tip Top
Poultry Inc. of Marietta, Ga., which tested and quickly abandoned the pneumatic
approach two decades ago.
Hahahahahahah, he's right, I'm not going to be able to get the image of
somersaulting chickens getting sucked up in a huge chicken vacuum cleaner out of
my head! When they got plugged up, did all the chickens start
getting sucked into a giant nasty chicken hair-ball like mass??
Yeah, this might be an option. I'm going to leave it until the end of this week, then I guess I need to start looking at something other than begging for my machine back:)
1. Like you said, the wireless sucks. First thing I ended up buying was a wireless card (kinda annoying, as being WiFi-enabled was one reason I bought it)
2. It doesn't have any serial ports. I want to use my GPS on it, so have had to buy a cable to convert a USB to a COM port (which works really well, but the Belk converter is big and annoying).
Well, it's died twice while I've had it. I guess "this is just the way thinks go some of the time" is correct, as is not being able to use a $2k purchase for 3 months.
Doesn't mean I'd recommend the machine to others. I really LIKE the machine, at least it's looks and what it has on-board. I really wish I'd been able to use it over the last few months, I think I would have enjoyed it.
To be honest, I'd be a lot more up on it if Best Buy had just given me a new one, or offered to refund my money. Waiting this amount of time on a purchase like this is unacceptable. I sympathize with their supply problems, but I'd recommend others stay away from the vpr.
My Review: Three months,been able to use it 5 Days
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· Score: 5, Interesting
While the machine looks very nice, and performs well when it's running, I've had mine 3 months now, and out of that time, it's been working 5 days (so up and running for 5 days, down for around 85 and counting).
It died 3 days after I bought it (I really was liking it was working; light, fast, looks nice). Just dead (wouldn't turn on, no lights, etc.)
Called in to their tech support, and they sent me a box to sent it in. Took about 2 weeks total, then I had it back. They said the mother board and CPU had to be replaced.
When it came back, it was making a "thumping" noise. Two days later, the LCD died. Called tech support again, and they sent another box out.
About 2 weeks later, I got a call saying they were waiting on parts. Once I week I now get a call saying they're waiting on parts... *sigh*
So, I've spent around $2k on a laptop, and, excluding the first three days and 2 days a couple of weeks later, I haven't been able to use it.
So, my review:
1. Nice looking machine. OK performance for the money. 2. Their tech support is very good about getting the machine in for repairs (always helpful and polite, lets you know when they are having trouble and can't get it back). 3. Based on my own experience, these things break very easy. 4. They don't appear to be able to get replacement mother boards (what I'm waiting on), so if you're vpr dies, you are SOL.
I personal regret buying this laptop. I really need to have a laptop now, so I'm now in the position of having to buy another one, if I can't get Best Buy to either fix it, send me some other comparable laptop, or my money back (haven't been able to do any of these three at this point).
Any suggestions on getting them to send me some other laptop or my money? I've been trying, but they've refused to this point. Not sure what I can do, as any legal action I take against Best Buy is likely to exceed the cost of a new laptop....
So, basically, three years ago he donated 10k to a charity.
This resulted in "arrested by FBI agents at about 7 a.m. March 20 as he arrived for work at the Intel plant in Hillsboro, Oregon. During his arrest, a squad of armed agents in bulletproof vests stormed his home, seizing computers and files. His wife, Lisa, and their three children were asleep at the time"
The charity was "Global Relief Foundation, a Muslim charity that purported to fund mosques and schools in the United States, as well as West Bank medical facilities. "
And now he can be held indefinitely without charging him with a crime?
Err.. Wow. All I can say is I really hope there's something we don't know here. If this is actually what happened, then anyone can be arrested, at any time, without reason. They'll FIND something to do it for, no matter if it makes any sense or not.
work in a small IT dept writing dumb VB to do reporting for our accounting
department. The other two programmers here have decades of experience in a
variety of languages, although they've been on VB for quite a while
Did it occur to you that if they've got decades of experience, but are
doing dumb VB, and doing VB for a long time, that they might not exactly
be the best example of junior-vs-senior developers? I'm not saying that
all VB programmers suck, or that if you have to do VB because you can't find
another job that that's saying something, but if they've been doing it a while,
then I'd guess they probably aren't that great. And that perhaps if all
you're doing is writing dumb VB programs that you yourself are not really
learning that much about what it means to be a programmer? If you learned
2% of what that means in school, and you're current job requires you to know 5%,
I'm sure you're feeling really good about it... but you've barely started
As someone who's interviews and hired people right out of school, my general
experience has been they are fairly worthless. Very few bachelor programs
seem to prepare them for a real development job. Those that did will generally
used both what they learned in school and genuine interest in programming
(like, learned it on their own, or have done a lot of stuff outside of school).
As far as a good place to find Internships - good luck:) With the job market
sucking as bad as it is, the low end (the guys the above poster is working with)
are willing to work with and for whatever they can get, which is going to
squeeze out those entry level positions. I'd still be trying to hit the
big companies, as a lot of them realize that, long term, it's worth sucking up
talent if they can afford to do so. When things go the other direction,
they'll be in a MUCH better position.
I guess you could also try smaller, local places. Ask around - you've
got to know someone that works for a company that has programmers, or a someone
who knows a programmer. The best way to find a job, or internship, is
going to be through people you know. They can vouch for you, and point you
to the correct person to send your resume to (or call).
I look back at the jobs I've had over the last 10+ years, and all but 1 I
found through people I know (networked). Every time I've needed one, it's
not taken a long time, because people I know and have worked with in the past
KNOW what I can do. It's harder if you haven't gotten a lot of
professional contacts yet, or a work history, but again, you're much more likely
to find something if can network.
And if you can't find a development job, but still really want to be a
developer, then FIND something, in addition to whatever work you end up doing.
There's a TON of stuff on sourceforge that
you could try to help with, or come up with your own application!
I'd also point out if you did this, you could make the container that's carrying stuff back out of material mined on the moon. So not only would you get the load in the container.. but the container itself could be melted down and converted to whatever.
What launch and return costs? Once you get the right equipment up, I'd think the cost would be somewhat low. The right equipment being, of course, some type of catapult system or mass driver. The escape velocity of the moon, enough to reach the cross over point to earth, is something like 2.279 km/sec, vs. 11 km/sec for the earth (and I think that's for low-earth orbit, isn't it something like double that to reach the moon?). Yeah, you'd have to build a track 11km long and shoot stuff down it at something like 20g's to get it back to earth (or at least earth orbit - as someone else pointed out, the whole point of mining the moon may actually be actual to build OTHER space-related stuff, like a base on the moon or stuff at one of the Lagrange points).
Granted, building the necessary stuff on the moon would be a big financial hurdle... but if you're already mining up there, then most of the bulk components would come from local materials, where at all possible.
Or maybe I'm just being influenced by Robert Heinlien and "A moon is Harsh Mistress" and this is all bogus:P
I'd like to allow my app (StationRipper) to hook directly into this.
Does anyone know if they, or are releasing, a API?
-Greg
Uh... I like the blinking lights. I want MORE (thus my glow-in-the-dark keyboards with multiple color selections, and my LED mouse pad). And I love my XPS, doubly so in a dimly lit room.
My "Gadget Bill of Lights" would be to ask the Gadget and PC makers to please make MORE of these types of equipment and to PLEASE ignore Mike! (Well, I DO agree you should be able to turn the LED's if you want - my Timewarner DVR is ultra-annoying in that way, as it's in the bedroom). But otherwise, cram more LED's in!!!!
I've been using X10 for years. I've really liked it in some houses, have hated it in others (like my current house - doesn't work worth jack, and I haven't spent the time and money to get it working as of yet).
It looks like this new tech (Insteon) also mostly broadcasts over the power lines.
I have a question about this... in today's (often) wireless homes, WHY aren't there power control devices that work like X10, that just use a straight 802.11 wireless network? I have complete, strong, coverage in every part of my house. A wireless router is pretty cheap, and I would imagine that most people that use this type of tech will likely have one. It sure seems like this would work... could do bi-directional comm. Create a common standard (web services on the device maybe??). Is this just a cost and space issue? Shoving a wirelss device with a light computer built in? I'd personally be willing to pay a fair amount for something like this, if it worked 100%.
Anyway. I'll be very interested in seeing what other tech others point out - I'd love to get back to a house that was doing some like X10 for all lights/switches/etc., that was reliable (and just WORKED, on my wiring!)
I've found that a rather large number of people I've worked with as IT people didn't originally get a degree in IT. At least those in the business world. So basing a % on what Major a person gets might not be, for IT at least, very meaningful.
:)
'Course saying that, just looking around I DO notice a lack of girl geeks... so they may be right
I've been paying for the monthly. Didn't think I'd keep it as long as I did. They offered to reduce the monthly by 1/2.
I cancelled my TiVo subscription 4 days ago - I'm now using BeyondTV. I had the original model of the TiVo, and have been paying the monthly on it since TiVo first came out (yeah, I know, in hindsight I should have bought the lifetime subscription). I loved my TiVo - it really changed how I watched TV. But what I wanted in a DVR is something that records TV, keeps it until I tell it to get rid of it, etc.
:)
The TiVo rep argued with me that they had "resolved" the problems with shows getting deleted. I understand that it wasn't intentionally turned on, but the fact is the device now supports and allows broadcasts to muck around with this kind of thing. They offered to knock the monthly down 1/2, but I'm not interested any more.
I don't like the direction the company is heading in, so I've switched. I'm not going back, unless there's a radically change in their direction - and even then I'm no likely to. I like having control over my DVR - dual headed, 1TB storage, DVD burner, can ADD shows to the machine (and get them off), and I can extend and expand that machine as I see fit.
Long live BTV!
-Greg
Evidently, it's a pumkin head puking out a bunch of seeds: http://www.bewitchingways.com/images/pumpking.jpg
At least according to Google...
I've been using a catch-all for years now, and used to love it. Whenever I'd give a e-mail out, it would be company@xxdomainxx.com (so, like, slashdot@xxdomainxx.com) This would let me track companies that sell the e-mail (so I could grip at them - not that it does much good) and turn the e-mail "off".
The problem is, the last year or so, I've been getting randomname@xxdomainxx.com (like john, ralph, fred, at al). Four months ago I was getting 1500 spam to random names. Today I'm hitting about 4900. My spam filter works fairly well, but if it misses even %10, that's a a LOT of spam to deal with - and it usally gets 20-30%.
So, I've essentially turned off the catch-all (still getting it for a while, as I have to change the hundreds of e-mails I've sent out over the years), but the catch-all doesn't go to my main e-mail, it goes to alt on - that ends up in a folder that I go into every now and then (that folder currently has 62k messages - about 99% of them will probably be spam).
-Greg
I had actually had the project name and a link in the original submit :)
But am ok with it as it ended up - I really want some answers and suggestions to this (and I've gotten a couple of really good ones), not just more traffic.
Yep, I've made way more off donations then Ads at this point. But I'm average about .0011 cents per user. Well, download, hard to get a handle on actual daily users. Which is GREAT, I'm shocked and amazed people donated, but I wouldn't mind adding to that, if I can figure out a non-annoying way to do it :)
:)
I've thought about doing a one-time pop-up. I'll give it a bit more thought before I release the next version
I've also thought of a related service that could (COULD) be subscription-based (not the actual product, but a web-based thing that some users might want in addition to it).
I've actually considered embedding Ads in the main StationRipper window... but don't' know if that would be overly annoying. And showing something like Google ads may be against the rules...
What I would really like to find is an aggregator that pays per impression... but DOESN'T do pop-ups, unders, animated ads with sound, etc. While most people use pop-up blockers these days, I refuse to do something that annoying.
Is there some OTHER way other open source developers are making money off of smaller products like this, besides donations and ads? I doubt the pay-for-support route will work for something like this. While I wouldn't ever expect to make a lot, it would be nice to cover costs + have a bit left over to invest in the next development machine.
I'm actually a bit of a cross-roads with the software. I've got some ideas to expanding it a lot, fix a lot of things users want fixed and add a lot of new function - but is it worth continuing down that path, or start working on something else that may be a bit more sales-oriented? So far I've done it 'cause I love programming and it was something interesting and useful to work on - but it's mostly been (lots) of support, and very little code as of late.
-Greg
While this isn't something you really do at work, I recommend Body For Life , for developers (or anyone) that wants to loose fat and put on muscle . For someone who sits at a computer 12+ hours a day, it's done a great job for me. And I guess it KINDA would work at the office - if you build a lot of muscle, just walking around the office as normal will burn more calories :)
Early devices included the chicken vacuum, which sucked up birds and shot them through tubes to waiting trucks. But the birds tended to plug up the tubes and turn somersaults as they traveled inside the contraption. We had too many die on us, recalls Buddy Burruss, vice president of operations at Tip Top Poultry Inc. of Marietta, Ga., which tested and quickly abandoned the pneumatic approach two decades ago.
Hahahahahahah, he's right, I'm not going to be able to get the image of somersaulting chickens getting sucked up in a huge chicken vacuum cleaner out of my head! When they got plugged up, did all the chickens start getting sucked into a giant nasty chicken hair-ball like mass??
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Yeah, this might be an option. I'm going to leave it until the end of this week, then I guess I need to start looking at something other than begging for my machine back :)
As my current job is 1/2 developing windows applications, the cost of a PowerBook isn't really an issue.
Two things I found:
1. Like you said, the wireless sucks. First thing I ended up buying was a wireless card (kinda annoying, as being WiFi-enabled was one reason I bought it)
2. It doesn't have any serial ports. I want to use my GPS on it, so have had to buy a cable to convert a USB to a COM port (which works really well, but the Belk converter is big and annoying).
I don't have the service plan (doh!)
What happens if I just never get it back? It's been over two months since the last time I sent it in.
Well, it's died twice while I've had it. I guess "this is just the way thinks go some of the time" is correct, as is not being able to use a $2k purchase for 3 months.
Doesn't mean I'd recommend the machine to others. I really LIKE the machine, at least it's looks and what it has on-board. I really wish I'd been able to use it over the last few months, I think I would have enjoyed it.
To be honest, I'd be a lot more up on it if Best Buy had just given me a new one, or offered to refund my money. Waiting this amount of time on a purchase like this is unacceptable. I sympathize with their supply problems, but I'd recommend others stay away from the vpr.
While the machine looks very nice, and performs well when it's running, I've had mine 3 months now, and out of that time, it's been working 5 days (so up and running for 5 days, down for around 85 and counting).
It died 3 days after I bought it (I really was liking it was working; light, fast, looks nice). Just dead (wouldn't turn on, no lights, etc.)
Called in to their tech support, and they sent me a box to sent it in. Took about 2 weeks total, then I had it back. They said the mother board and CPU had to be replaced.
When it came back, it was making a "thumping" noise. Two days later, the LCD died. Called tech support again, and they sent another box out.
About 2 weeks later, I got a call saying they were waiting on parts. Once I week I now get a call saying they're waiting on parts... *sigh*
So, I've spent around $2k on a laptop, and, excluding the first three days and 2 days a couple of weeks later, I haven't been able to use it.
So, my review:
1. Nice looking machine. OK performance for the money.
2. Their tech support is very good about getting the machine in for repairs (always helpful and polite, lets you know when they are having trouble and can't get it back).
3. Based on my own experience, these things break very easy.
4. They don't appear to be able to get replacement mother boards (what I'm waiting on), so if you're vpr dies, you are SOL.
I personal regret buying this laptop. I really need to have a laptop now, so I'm now in the position of having to buy another one, if I can't get Best Buy to either fix it, send me some other comparable laptop, or my money back (haven't been able to do any of these three at this point).
Any suggestions on getting them to send me some other laptop or my money? I've been trying, but they've refused to this point. Not sure what I can do, as any legal action I take against Best Buy is likely to exceed the cost of a new laptop....
So, basically, three years ago he donated 10k to a charity.
This resulted in "arrested by FBI agents at about 7 a.m. March 20 as he arrived for work at the Intel plant in Hillsboro, Oregon. During his arrest, a squad of armed agents in bulletproof vests stormed his home, seizing computers and files. His wife, Lisa, and their three children were asleep at the time"
The charity was "Global Relief Foundation, a Muslim charity that purported to fund mosques and schools in the United States, as well as West Bank medical facilities. "
And now he can be held indefinitely without charging him with a crime?
Err.. Wow. All I can say is I really hope there's something we don't know here. If this is actually what happened, then anyone can be arrested, at any time, without reason. They'll FIND something to do it for, no matter if it makes any sense or not.
work in a small IT dept writing dumb VB to do reporting for our accounting department. The other two programmers here have decades of experience in a variety of languages, although they've been on VB for quite a while
Did it occur to you that if they've got decades of experience, but are doing dumb VB, and doing VB for a long time, that they might not exactly be the best example of junior-vs-senior developers? I'm not saying that all VB programmers suck, or that if you have to do VB because you can't find another job that that's saying something, but if they've been doing it a while, then I'd guess they probably aren't that great. And that perhaps if all you're doing is writing dumb VB programs that you yourself are not really learning that much about what it means to be a programmer? If you learned 2% of what that means in school, and you're current job requires you to know 5%, I'm sure you're feeling really good about it... but you've barely started
As someone who's interviews and hired people right out of school, my general experience has been they are fairly worthless. Very few bachelor programs seem to prepare them for a real development job. Those that did will generally used both what they learned in school and genuine interest in programming (like, learned it on their own, or have done a lot of stuff outside of school).
As far as a good place to find Internships - good luck :) With the job market
sucking as bad as it is, the low end (the guys the above poster is working with)
are willing to work with and for whatever they can get, which is going to
squeeze out those entry level positions. I'd still be trying to hit the
big companies, as a lot of them realize that, long term, it's worth sucking up
talent if they can afford to do so. When things go the other direction,
they'll be in a MUCH better position.
I guess you could also try smaller, local places. Ask around - you've got to know someone that works for a company that has programmers, or a someone who knows a programmer. The best way to find a job, or internship, is going to be through people you know. They can vouch for you, and point you to the correct person to send your resume to (or call).
I look back at the jobs I've had over the last 10+ years, and all but 1 I found through people I know (networked). Every time I've needed one, it's not taken a long time, because people I know and have worked with in the past KNOW what I can do. It's harder if you haven't gotten a lot of professional contacts yet, or a work history, but again, you're much more likely to find something if can network.
And if you can't find a development job, but still really want to be a developer, then FIND something, in addition to whatever work you end up doing. There's a TON of stuff on sourceforge that you could try to help with, or come up with your own application!
I'd also point out if you did this, you could make the container that's carrying stuff back out of material mined on the moon. So not only would you get the load in the container.. but the container itself could be melted down and converted to whatever.
What launch and return costs? Once you get the right equipment up, I'd think the cost would be somewhat low. The right equipment being, of course, some type of catapult system or mass driver. The escape velocity of the moon, enough to reach the cross over point to earth, is something like 2.279 km/sec, vs. 11 km/sec for the earth (and I think that's for low-earth orbit, isn't it something like double that to reach the moon?). Yeah, you'd have to build a track 11km long and shoot stuff down it at something like 20g's to get it back to earth (or at least earth orbit - as someone else pointed out, the whole point of mining the moon may actually be actual to build OTHER space-related stuff, like a base on the moon or stuff at one of the Lagrange points).
:P
Granted, building the necessary stuff on the moon would be a big financial hurdle... but if you're already mining up there, then most of the bulk components would come from local materials, where at all possible.
Or maybe I'm just being influenced by Robert Heinlien and "A moon is Harsh Mistress" and this is all bogus