Finally, I would have much preferred a Windows vs RH vs MacOS X review : see, I don't plan on buying a Mac, but I'd like someone to describe OS X to me and compare them to similar KDE or Windows features, for example
I don't know if you caught it from the title, article or previous posts, but this was about one Linux SERVER vs another Linux server. It was not talking about workstation class configurations. The machines hopefully didn't even have X installed.
Linux does not need heavy tweeking to become a polished desktop. Install RedHat 8+ and you'll see a very polished desktop that just works.
I'm running RedHat 7.2 on my wife's machine. The only tweaking I've done is to install the Ximian desktop (that takes one command line). The machine runs well and has been doing so ever since 7.2 came out.
Power requirements would be slightly elevated. Let's assume double the power consumption, what is that around 400W max? So for the P4 we would be using 400W in a 504 square meter area. Thats about 0.8W/m^2. If there are 250 x 333 transistors in that area, or about 83K transistors, each would use about 10uW per device. Even if the "device" started using 400KW the power dissipation per device would be a measly 10mW. No, the transistors would not be generating a great deal of heat.
Now consider how many clock cycles would be used going from corner to corner. Let's make it a 1G processor for the fun of it. The square is about 31m diagonally. At the speed of light that can be crossed in about 100ns. A single clock cycle at 1G is 1ns, so synchronization would get very interesting.
Science is significantly more than opinion. It starts out as opinion and is tested. Once a theory can be reliably reproduced it becomes accepted. However in the sciences we are continually testing even old proven thoeries because we develope better methods of testing. So we are continually cross checking our theories.
In the humanities once a well known person writes something down it's accepted as fact. There is no more testing of the theory it's accepted as truth.
A MCSE is not considered to be an engineer by anyone but the sales force at Microsoft. There is significantly more work required of an engineer than learning the three fingered salute.
The big difference between a hard sciences education and the humanities can be summed up in one rhetorical question: How many top knotch engineering schools are also party schools?
Innovation is more than creating new things, it is also doing old things better. I don't root for MS very often (I run Linux as my main OS at home), but what they did with Excel is definately innovation.
MS made the spreadsheet into more than an automated ledger. With user defined functions and VBA extensions they made it a very useful tool.
Linux is more than capable to make it in the mainstream. Try anyone of the latest dists and you'll get a fully featured OS. In addition most of them install all the office software you'll need during the OS install. I tried RedHat's canned install for v8.0 and found that after the install I didn't need any additional software. I had web browser, email program(s), and office software and my internet connection was already active. I installed Windows on the same machine and had to go hunting for drivers and I still don't have an office package on it. How the heck can Linux be more ready since it already makes life easier on newbies than Windows does?!
sorry guys, I love linux as much as the next guy, but the average 50 year-old in HR ISN'T going to be able to use it
If Linux is properly configured the 50 year-old in HR will be able to use it as well as he/she uses Windows (which may not be very well, but that's another story). And the sysadmin gets an advantage that Linux is much easier to protect from clumsy users. My wife uses Linux at home, she cannot trash the system accidentally. When the kids start messing with the "buttons" they're only going to risk her files not the system.
The only time I would recommend Windows is if there is a critical application that does not have a replacement in Linux. The list of those apps is getting smaller by the day.
The latest Windows version of Postgres still requires Cygwin but it comes in the.msi file and everything just works on install. It's very easy. Of course I don't know why anyone would want to put a production dB on a Windows machine, but for development it sure comes in handy.
I use the forwarding system to avoid spam altogether...A forwards to B which forwards to C which forwards to A...not a single spam gets through, although I might be missing out on some legitimate email as well, hmmm
The problem with adding all sorts of monitoring equipment and sensors and computers is that this thing actually has to get off the ground. There is a very realistic weight limit some of which has to be reserved for the payload.
To adequately detect failures the entire shuttle would have to be covered with sensors. The ignorance seems to lie with you.
400F (200C) isn't very high. The systems I design have to be able to withstand 250C for a couple weeks at a time. Some systems have to handle 350C for weeks, and we are trying to push that to 500C.
I used Ximian's desktop and evolution every day. Ximian's Gnome is easy to configure and update which makes it nice for both newbies (which I was when I started...it was Helix something then) and busy people (which I am now).
If I'm going to play with a system I'll install the latest and greatest, if I want the computer for actual work I'll go with Ximian's.
In my engineering classes we got no breaks. My last two years in my bachelors program I was putting in more than 100 hours a week on my school work. I earned my grades through long nights of study and lab work while the LA majors were playing Doom2 on my computer.
The beginning of my freshman year all the EE/ME/CE freshmen got together for the head of the engineering dept. to talk to us. This was a small private school so there were about 250 - 300 people. At graduation there were 7 EEs, and about 20 others in other engineering disciplines. We had a 90% attrition rate in four years.
I'll bet ten to one that the automobile industry lobbied against their use.
Hard to believe in SF, the more likely reason has to do with the cost of a Segway. It's mostly seen as a rich man's toy and being rich is considered bad (unless you're in the government).
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Finally, I would have much preferred a Windows vs RH vs MacOS X review : see, I don't plan on buying a Mac, but I'd like someone to describe OS X to me and compare them to similar KDE or Windows features, for example
I don't know if you caught it from the title, article or previous posts, but this was about one Linux SERVER vs another Linux server. It was not talking about workstation class configurations. The machines hopefully didn't even have X installed.
Linux does not need heavy tweeking to become a polished desktop. Install RedHat 8+ and you'll see a very polished desktop that just works.
I'm running RedHat 7.2 on my wife's machine. The only tweaking I've done is to install the Ximian desktop (that takes one command line). The machine runs well and has been doing so ever since 7.2 came out.
still cheaper than the real thing.
Idiots. Sir! That's slander. . .And we have it on tape!
It's only slander if it's not true.
Power requirements would be slightly elevated. Let's assume double the power consumption, what is that around 400W max? So for the P4 we would be using 400W in a 504 square meter area. Thats about 0.8W/m^2. If there are 250 x 333 transistors in that area, or about 83K transistors, each would use about 10uW per device. Even if the "device" started using 400KW the power dissipation per device would be a measly 10mW. No, the transistors would not be generating a great deal of heat.
Now consider how many clock cycles would be used going from corner to corner. Let's make it a 1G processor for the fun of it. The square is about 31m diagonally. At the speed of light that can be crossed in about 100ns. A single clock cycle at 1G is 1ns, so synchronization would get very interesting.
Science is significantly more than opinion. It starts out as opinion and is tested. Once a theory can be reliably reproduced it becomes accepted. However in the sciences we are continually testing even old proven thoeries because we develope better methods of testing. So we are continually cross checking our theories.
In the humanities once a well known person writes something down it's accepted as fact. There is no more testing of the theory it's accepted as truth.
A MCSE is not considered to be an engineer by anyone but the sales force at Microsoft. There is significantly more work required of an engineer than learning the three fingered salute.
The big difference between a hard sciences education and the humanities can be summed up in one rhetorical question: How many top knotch engineering schools are also party schools?
According to the article it was a sled, probably no wheels.
Mach the 6,400 is the speed record. The 0-6,400 in 4 seconds is impressive.
Innovation is more than creating new things, it is also doing old things better. I don't root for MS very often (I run Linux as my main OS at home), but what they did with Excel is definately innovation.
MS made the spreadsheet into more than an automated ledger. With user defined functions and VBA extensions they made it a very useful tool.
However nothing else comes to mind.
NT is NOT "based" on VMS.
Sure. The first time I saw NT booting I recognized the VMS roots. NT is solidly based on VMS, or at least the good parts are.
Linux is more than capable to make it in the mainstream. Try anyone of the latest dists and you'll get a fully featured OS. In addition most of them install all the office software you'll need during the OS install. I tried RedHat's canned install for v8.0 and found that after the install I didn't need any additional software. I had web browser, email program(s), and office software and my internet connection was already active. I installed Windows on the same machine and had to go hunting for drivers and I still don't have an office package on it. How the heck can Linux be more ready since it already makes life easier on newbies than Windows does?!
sorry guys, I love linux as much as the next guy, but the average 50 year-old in HR ISN'T going to be able to use it
If Linux is properly configured the 50 year-old in HR will be able to use it as well as he/she uses Windows (which may not be very well, but that's another story). And the sysadmin gets an advantage that Linux is much easier to protect from clumsy users. My wife uses Linux at home, she cannot trash the system accidentally. When the kids start messing with the "buttons" they're only going to risk her files not the system.
The only time I would recommend Windows is if there is a critical application that does not have a replacement in Linux. The list of those apps is getting smaller by the day.
How on earth can someone claim that free software that's easier to maintain and uses fewer hardware resources has a higher TCO?
I take it you haven't used Linux in quite a while.
How long until I start getting spam from lawyers wanting to sue other spammers on my behalf?
The latest Windows version of Postgres still requires Cygwin but it comes in the .msi file and everything just works on install. It's very easy. Of course I don't know why anyone would want to put a production dB on a Windows machine, but for development it sure comes in handy.
That wouldn't be very hard, with bogofilter and procmail already configured it's just a one line change...tempting
I use the forwarding system to avoid spam altogether...A forwards to B which forwards to C which forwards to A...not a single spam gets through, although I might be missing out on some legitimate email as well, hmmm
The problem with adding all sorts of monitoring equipment and sensors and computers is that this thing actually has to get off the ground. There is a very realistic weight limit some of which has to be reserved for the payload.
To adequately detect failures the entire shuttle would have to be covered with sensors. The ignorance seems to lie with you.
400F (200C) isn't very high. The systems I design have to be able to withstand 250C for a couple weeks at a time. Some systems have to handle 350C for weeks, and we are trying to push that to 500C.
CNN was reporting the shuttle had just received all new electronics.
I used Ximian's desktop and evolution every day. Ximian's Gnome is easy to configure and update which makes it nice for both newbies (which I was when I started...it was Helix something then) and busy people (which I am now).
If I'm going to play with a system I'll install the latest and greatest, if I want the computer for actual work I'll go with Ximian's.
In my engineering classes we got no breaks. My last two years in my bachelors program I was putting in more than 100 hours a week on my school work. I earned my grades through long nights of study and lab work while the LA majors were playing Doom2 on my computer.
The beginning of my freshman year all the EE/ME/CE freshmen got together for the head of the engineering dept. to talk to us. This was a small private school so there were about 250 - 300 people. At graduation there were 7 EEs, and about 20 others in other engineering disciplines. We had a 90% attrition rate in four years.
Because I have actual customers in China and I still want to get their emails.
I'll bet ten to one that the automobile industry lobbied against their use.
Hard to believe in SF, the more likely reason has to do with the cost of a Segway. It's mostly seen as a rich man's toy and being rich is considered bad (unless you're in the government).