They haven't won until we've all submitted to their brand of paleo-Islam. This is their stated ultimate goal.
Gotta link?
Several of the groups have stated several different goals. Perhaps a few have stated global conversion as a goal... but this is far from being the most prevelant, or even most stated. They want the infidels (american solders) out of the holy land, and the other major one is US ending support of Israel.
Non-citizens abroad lack any constitutional rights, even when they confront the U.S. government there. However, they continue to enjoy constitutional rights within U.S. borders
While they are techinically outside US borders, they are completely under US control.
Do you honestly believe that the writers of the constitution, had they envisioned the posibility of long term american control of foreign soil, would have permitted this loop hole?
How is any of what I said wrong? Show me one statement I made that is false.
I read most of those articles. Air-air missiles containing uranium are not nuclear weapons. That is a fact. Do you dispute that?
Also, I never said there are no threats. Everyone is a threat, the secret is to figure out to what degree they are a threat, and then to assess whether or not you can lessen the threat. Iraq was a threat, an extremely minor one; evidence to the contrary of this assessment was never presented, so to insist otherwise is idiotic. And as for whether or not we can lessen the threat, I am very much convinced that the Iraq war increased the threat.
The world is a dangerous place; we have to learn to live with some amount of danger, instead of overreacting to it. Over reacting to a threat is often more dangerous than the threat itself.
Lastly, I am not exactly a leftist. I am dead set against affirmative action, and abortion. I also thought we did the right thing in Afghanistan (there was a threat that could be removed without exposing greater ones). I don't sing folk songs, I am too busy busting my ass in the gym or at the office, or spending time with my family.
Believing that Saddam was bad is one thing, and trying to convince me that the war in Iraq was necessary is commendable, but trying to persuade with that misquoted hodgepodge of unconfirmed, minor, and outdated reports is another. I could put an article in front of you talking about the dangers of hydrogen hydroxide, but that doesn't make it dangerous. Learn to wade through the bull shit.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040813/2 004081309.html This one is about an iraqi nuclear scientist who says all nuclear programs were destroyed after gulf war 91, and not restarted.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81303,00.html From the article:"The information is raw... and hard to confirm... but we are seeing -- using different methods -- that Saddam Hussein has armed troops south of Baghdad with chemical weapons," one official said.
This one is intelegence leading up to the war!? It was saying that Saddam's troops would use WMD. Did they?
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters2004070220 9.html Poles say they found 17 rockets and 2 mortar shells containing chemical agents. That is bad, but hardly an "enourmous stockpile" like the administration said we would find. But then I read on... The US army was only able to find chemicals in 2 of these rockets. The article states that they are most likey pre 91 rockets. In my opinion this number is small enough to believe that they could have slipped through the cracks.
http://chemistry.about.com/b/a/056577.htm found shells that had been burried for over 10 years, probably pulled a squirel and burried them, then forgot where.
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/archive/index.php/t-2329 87.html A link to a forum where people are discussing the same story from the ABCnews article above.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/ 9/154650.shtml An article about rusian air-air missles containing uranium found in a bunker. NOTE: The article did not say that they were nuclear warheads. These missles were simply using the very dense uranium to deliver momentum to a target, just like our own uranium weapons do.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/30/sprj.i rq.alqaeda.weapons/ Al Queda videos found in Iraq 9 months affter the invasion. Cleary this is evidence that Saddam was cooporating with Bin Laden. It couldn't be that terorist were taking advantage of the war induced chaos to move into iraq and mobilize the population.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm? id=836232004 Unconfirmed reports from an iraqi news paper that nuke warheads were found in tikrit. The article was weeks old, but I haven't seen any sources comfirm the find.
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail& storyid=670123 Again, unconfirmed intelegence reports. This time Iraqi WMD moving to syria.
At this point I got tired of waiding through this shit.
The articles claim none of what you did, and where they are similar you distort them beyond recognition, with additional uncited facts in the good cases, and outright contradictions in the bad ones.
Did you think I would not read them? Did you think I am an idiot?
Untrained people can burst (less than a second) at about 5 horsepower. From the same link you can see that well trained weight lifters can produce very short bursts of over 8 hp.
600 Watts at VO2max is not burst, but maximum aerobic output (power output when his oxygen uptake is equal to his maximum oxygen uptake), going anerobic he can make much, much more.
The human body constantly generates an approximate 200 watts
You mean the average human...
Lance Armstrong can sustain power outputs around 600 watts, and several people (most competative amatuer cyclists) are capable of a ~1 minute burst of over 1250 watts.
This is kind of a nitpick, but buoyant force has nothing to do with how helicopters work, blimps and boats use buoyancy, helicopters and planes use aerodynamic lift.
Anyone with a current artificial heart, or even a pacemaker, has a constant pulse. A pulse is selected to allow a little excess capacity, so that gettting of the couch doesn't get you winded.
Breathing is variable as someone else mentioned though... this provides for some variation in oxigen delivery to muscle tissue. Anyway, people who have artificial hearts should be taking it fairly easy.
I had a very similar reaction, IANAHS (I am not a Heart Surgeon) but in the article it says...
it only has one moving part, a spinning impeller that drives a continuous stream of blood.
Surely the human body is not designed for a continuous stream of blood ?.
Saying that I am sure that this has all been researched thorougly to get to this stage and my limited medical knowledge probably isn't very useful.
mdiarmspafpothama (My dad is a retired medical school professor and former president of the heart association midwest affiliate) and he agrees with you.
I told him about a woman in england that had an earlier version of one of these for several days while waiting for a real (human) heart (this was a few years ago). His imediate reaction was that pulsitile flow probably slows the build up of plaques in the arteries, and that people without a pulse would, IHNSHO (in his not so humble opinion), be more likely to experience blockages.
Of coarse that was just his gut reaction and he has not researched the topic...
We recently took a guided tour in Sarasota, Florida on a Segway. The Segway did a wonderful job of facilitating the tour... we were able to visit the bayfront, travel on downtown sidewalks, and visit other places we would have never found. And, riding the Segway was a blast.
That's nice, but everything except the "Segway was a blast" part had nothing to do with the segway.
Guided tours are nothing new... They have been showing people things they would have never found for years using bikes, cars, buses, and feet.
Horses, for example, are primarily designed to cover dozens of miles within a day at a moderate pace; some breeds have the additional ability to run extremely long distances at high speed. Humans have notably slower racing times for endurance running, despite not having the additional equivalent weight of bearing a rider or heavy gear.
Most humans in the habit of running long distances regularly (as we all were during the time we evolved) are capable of going dozens of miles within a day at moderate pace as well. Hell, I am 200 lbs (a hell of a lot more than most people were then), and I have run 26 miles in a day twice...
Also keep in mind that the times for the endurance running you are speaking of are the times for the best humans and the best horses. The better humans have to be able to catch the weakest horses, not the fastest ones...
My name is John, that part is easy, the hard part is that I am John Jr.
I always put Jr. on my official documents, regardless of the name suffix field being available (I just add it to the end of the last name field).
Well a lot of people just ignore a name suffix. I had 2 credit cards from 2 different banks, and then the banks merged... I wanted to consolidate my cards with them to reduce my paperwork. One of the banks had ignored my Jr. so even though I have the same SSN on both cards, and the same address on both cards, I was unable to convince them that I am one person, and I wound up canceling one of them out of frustration.
Regardless of wether or not Tim is a dumb ass, this is a legitimate problem.
Exactly right. These are real planes, just small ones...
My rapid examination concludes that the Cessna 150/152 fits the bill.
The 152 is one of (the?) most popular training aircraft in the states, and are widely available (75% of all 150/152s ever built are still flying, and can be had used for under$25,000).
It was in the rural midwest rather than the south, but I have had someone tell me that I was going to hell and then take a swing at me after I declared that I believed in evolution.
The problem here is that he misquotes the movie and the assertion in the movie. In the actual quote from the movie, Moore says: "Or perhaps he just should have read the security briefing that was given to him on August 6, 2001 that said that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes." Emphasis mine.
I believe you are over analysing the portion you empasised. That was said in a joking/sarcastic manner in the film, he was just trying to point out that the information was available to him on that date.
Besides, we all know that bush doesn't actually read breifings. He has members of his cabinate, and other advisors read the breifings and report back to him (he has said so himself on multiple occasions), so if we want to go down the literal road, perhaps bush shouldn't have relied on those around him to filter the information like that, and read it himself.
you mean playing golf while your capital works, right?
Just because I am a liberal, doesn't mean that I am not a well paid hard worker. I make more than most families in this country live on, and I pay taxes accordingly. The difference is, I see that this is the way it should be. Not all of people are self centered greedy ass holes, once you understand that, maybe you can then understand liberals.
There was a re-edit of bowling for columbine due to a small factual error, the DVD is different from the theatrical release. Moore admits this.
I am not a fan of all of his tactics, but he does strive for accurate persuasive arguments, and when he finds that he is mistaken, he corrects himself.
There have been many studies linking violence in movies and video games to violent crimes committed later in life.
funded by?
I have heard of several of these "studies" but when you read about the protocals used in the study there are huge causal leaps of faith one must take to believe the data.
But whose definition was he using when he got in front of a national TV audience & said the same thing? While that very specific definition may have applied during the scope of his testimony, he knew full well that the rest of the country had no such limited connotation.
I agree it was slimy of him, but was it illegal? If bold face lying to the american public was an impeachable offence, I have no doubt that every president since Carter (and probably him as well), would have been impeached.
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They haven't won until we've all submitted to their brand of paleo-Islam. This is their stated ultimate goal.
Gotta link?
Several of the groups have stated several different goals. Perhaps a few have stated global conversion as a goal... but this is far from being the most prevelant, or even most stated. They want the infidels (american solders) out of the holy land, and the other major one is US ending support of Israel.
Non-citizens abroad lack any constitutional rights, even when they confront the U.S. government there. However, they continue to enjoy constitutional rights within U.S. borders
While they are techinically outside US borders, they are completely under US control.
Do you honestly believe that the writers of the constitution, had they envisioned the posibility of long term american control of foreign soil, would have permitted this loop hole?
How is any of what I said wrong? Show me one statement I made that is false.
I read most of those articles. Air-air missiles containing uranium are not nuclear weapons. That is a fact. Do you dispute that?
Also, I never said there are no threats. Everyone is a threat, the secret is to figure out to what degree they are a threat, and then to assess whether or not you can lessen the threat. Iraq was a threat, an extremely minor one; evidence to the contrary of this assessment was never presented, so to insist otherwise is idiotic. And as for whether or not we can lessen the threat, I am very much convinced that the Iraq war increased the threat.
The world is a dangerous place; we have to learn to live with some amount of danger, instead of overreacting to it. Over reacting to a threat is often more dangerous than the threat itself.
Lastly, I am not exactly a leftist. I am dead set against affirmative action, and abortion. I also thought we did the right thing in Afghanistan (there was a threat that could be removed without exposing greater ones). I don't sing folk songs, I am too busy busting my ass in the gym or at the office, or spending time with my family.
Believing that Saddam was bad is one thing, and trying to convince me that the war in Iraq was necessary is commendable, but trying to persuade with that misquoted hodgepodge of unconfirmed, minor, and outdated reports is another. I could put an article in front of you talking about the dangers of hydrogen hydroxide, but that doesn't make it dangerous. Learn to wade through the bull shit.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040813/2 004081309.html
... and hard to confirm ... but we are seeing -- using different methods -- that Saddam Hussein has armed troops south of Baghdad with chemical weapons," one official said.
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? id=836232004
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This one is about an iraqi nuclear scientist who says all nuclear programs were destroyed after gulf war 91, and not restarted.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81303,00.html
From the article:"The information is raw
This one is intelegence leading up to the war!? It was saying that Saddam's troops would use WMD. Did they?
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters200407022
Poles say they found 17 rockets and 2 mortar shells containing chemical agents. That is bad, but hardly an "enourmous stockpile" like the administration said we would find. But then I read on...
The US army was only able to find chemicals in 2 of these rockets.
The article states that they are most likey pre 91 rockets.
In my opinion this number is small enough to believe that they could have slipped through the cracks.
http://chemistry.about.com/b/a/056577.htm
found shells that had been burried for over 10 years, probably pulled a squirel and burried them, then forgot where.
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/archive/index.php/t-232
A link to a forum where people are discussing the same story from the ABCnews article above.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/ 9/154650.shtml
An article about rusian air-air missles containing uranium found in a bunker. NOTE: The article did not say that they were nuclear warheads. These missles were simply using the very dense uranium to deliver momentum to a target, just like our own uranium weapons do.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/30/sprj.i rq.alqaeda.weapons/
Al Queda videos found in Iraq 9 months affter the invasion. Cleary this is evidence that Saddam was cooporating with Bin Laden. It couldn't be that terorist were taking advantage of the war induced chaos to move into iraq and mobilize the population.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm
Unconfirmed reports from an iraqi news paper that nuke warheads were found in tikrit. The article was weeks old, but I haven't seen any sources comfirm the find.
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail
Again, unconfirmed intelegence reports. This time Iraqi WMD moving to syria.
At this point I got tired of waiding through this shit.
The articles claim none of what you did, and where they are similar you distort them beyond recognition, with additional uncited facts in the good cases, and outright contradictions in the bad ones.
Did you think I would not read them? Did you think I am an idiot?
Untrained people can burst (less than a second) at about 5 horsepower. From the same link you can see that well trained weight lifters can produce very short bursts of over 8 hp.
Without links to sources reproting these facts, you are, at best, as bad as those who you try to refute.
I would love to read about these facts you report, if accurate they would likely change my outlook.
I believe that you misinterperated the FAQ
600 Watts at VO2max is not burst, but maximum aerobic output (power output when his oxygen uptake is equal to his maximum oxygen uptake), going anerobic he can make much, much more.
The human body constantly generates an approximate 200 watts
You mean the average human...
Lance Armstrong can sustain power outputs around 600 watts, and several people (most competative amatuer cyclists) are capable of a ~1 minute burst of over 1250 watts.
This is kind of a nitpick, but buoyant force has nothing to do with how helicopters work, blimps and boats use buoyancy, helicopters and planes use aerodynamic lift.
I googled, and all I could find were prototypes...
Also, I know for a fact that my grandfather's pacemaker is constant speed, and he had that put in only 3-4 years ago...
Anyone with a current artificial heart, or even a pacemaker, has a constant pulse. A pulse is selected to allow a little excess capacity, so that gettting of the couch doesn't get you winded.
Breathing is variable as someone else mentioned though... this provides for some variation in oxigen delivery to muscle tissue. Anyway, people who have artificial hearts should be taking it fairly easy.
mdiarmspafpothama (My dad is a retired medical school professor and former president of the heart association midwest affiliate) and he agrees with you.
I told him about a woman in england that had an earlier version of one of these for several days while waiting for a real (human) heart (this was a few years ago). His imediate reaction was that pulsitile flow probably slows the build up of plaques in the arteries, and that people without a pulse would, IHNSHO (in his not so humble opinion), be more likely to experience blockages.
Of coarse that was just his gut reaction and he has not researched the topic...
We recently took a guided tour in Sarasota, Florida on a Segway. The Segway did a wonderful job of facilitating the tour... we were able to visit the bayfront, travel on downtown sidewalks, and visit other places we would have never found. And, riding the Segway was a blast.
That's nice, but everything except the "Segway was a blast" part had nothing to do with the segway.
Guided tours are nothing new... They have been showing people things they would have never found for years using bikes, cars, buses, and feet.
The original songs are almost never the subject of his "parody".
"Smells Like Nirvana"
The song, set to the tune of smells like teen spirit, is largely about how you can't understand the words to smells like teen spirit
Office is the only reason for lots of people to stay on windows.
The LeMond win was on the final time trial, the day before the last stage...
Horses, for example, are primarily designed to cover dozens of miles within a day at a moderate pace; some breeds have the additional ability to run extremely long distances at high speed. Humans have notably slower racing times for endurance running, despite not having the additional equivalent weight of bearing a rider or heavy gear.
Most humans in the habit of running long distances regularly (as we all were during the time we evolved) are capable of going dozens of miles within a day at moderate pace as well. Hell, I am 200 lbs (a hell of a lot more than most people were then), and I have run 26 miles in a day twice...
Also keep in mind that the times for the endurance running you are speaking of are the times for the best humans and the best horses. The better humans have to be able to catch the weakest horses, not the fastest ones...
My name is John, that part is easy, the hard part is that I am John Jr.
I always put Jr. on my official documents, regardless of the name suffix field being available (I just add it to the end of the last name field).
Well a lot of people just ignore a name suffix. I had 2 credit cards from 2 different banks, and then the banks merged... I wanted to consolidate my cards with them to reduce my paperwork. One of the banks had ignored my Jr. so even though I have the same SSN on both cards, and the same address on both cards, I was unable to convince them that I am one person, and I wound up canceling one of them out of frustration.
Regardless of wether or not Tim is a dumb ass, this is a legitimate problem.
Exactly right. These are real planes, just small ones...
My rapid examination concludes that the Cessna 150/152 fits the bill.
The 152 is one of (the?) most popular training aircraft in the states, and are widely available (75% of all 150/152s ever built are still flying, and can be had used for under $25,000).
It was in the rural midwest rather than the south, but I have had someone tell me that I was going to hell and then take a swing at me after I declared that I believed in evolution.
The problem here is that he misquotes the movie and the assertion in the movie. In the actual quote from the movie, Moore says: "Or perhaps he just should have read the security briefing that was given to him on August 6, 2001 that said that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes." Emphasis mine.
I believe you are over analysing the portion you empasised. That was said in a joking/sarcastic manner in the film, he was just trying to point out that the information was available to him on that date.
Besides, we all know that bush doesn't actually read breifings. He has members of his cabinate, and other advisors read the breifings and report back to him (he has said so himself on multiple occasions), so if we want to go down the literal road, perhaps bush shouldn't have relied on those around him to filter the information like that, and read it himself.
we're usually busy working and paying taxes
you mean playing golf while your capital works, right?
Just because I am a liberal, doesn't mean that I am not a well paid hard worker. I make more than most families in this country live on, and I pay taxes accordingly. The difference is, I see that this is the way it should be. Not all of people are self centered greedy ass holes, once you understand that, maybe you can then understand liberals.
There was a re-edit of bowling for columbine due to a small factual error, the DVD is different from the theatrical release. Moore admits this.
I am not a fan of all of his tactics, but he does strive for accurate persuasive arguments, and when he finds that he is mistaken, he corrects himself.
There have been many studies linking violence in movies and video games to violent crimes committed later in life.
funded by?
I have heard of several of these "studies" but when you read about the protocals used in the study there are huge causal leaps of faith one must take to believe the data.
But whose definition was he using when he got in front of a national TV audience & said the same thing? While that very specific definition may have applied during the scope of his testimony, he knew full well that the rest of the country had no such limited connotation.
I agree it was slimy of him, but was it illegal? If bold face lying to the american public was an impeachable offence, I have no doubt that every president since Carter (and probably him as well), would have been impeached.