Loki did the original port before they went out of business. As I understand it, they never returned the code changes back to the original publishers, and the publishers were left in a lurch. Now you can get all three Kohan games from Transgaming. They are more native than running the windows versions, but less than the Loki version, in that they have been recompiled againes the winelibs, but are still linux native binaries. And, they are now updated.
The only game I know of that the port was halted on as a result of Winex was Deus EX, but that was because Loki hadn't finished their port yet when the publisher learned that it could be run out of the box with Winex. The port was canceled because the publisher didn't see a need to spend money to port it.
Neverwinter Nights, Doom3, Unreal Tournament series, etc, are different in that the porting is being done almost at the same time in the development, but for different reasons. John Carmack, who has supported Linux for a long time, even said that the only reason they port their games is because they can, not because of sales.
I've been using linux almost exclusively for 8 years now (I have to use windows at work), and it's come a long way on the desktop. Loki was a company that was ahead of their time, and could be doing well today if they had made some better financial and marketing decisions. The Linux gaming market is coming up fast, but it will be a few more years before it really takes off (think Longhorn timeframe - hint hint).
Tobin
The reason that those games are even in their database is because I submitted them for testing purposes. Seems to me that a good comparison for how a game is performing is to play both native and windows versions on the same hardware.
On that note, both games performed ~2% slower on linux native than they did in winex (at the time I made the comparisons early last year). Kind of odd, don't you think?
When my 1998 Mitsubishi Montero Sport gets roughly the same mileage as my dad's '63 Mercury Montclair did when I was in highschool (my dad made me keep a log). For those of you that didn't have one, it was basicly a tank on tires. I don't remember all of the specs (we sold the car 20 years ago), but I remember helping rebuild the 408cc Engine. It also had a standard Ford 2 speed automatic transmission. It was big enough to seat 6 linemen from my HS football team in seatbelts.
I'd estimate the milage as 20 city, 25? highway (I only used it to go to school & work after school, no long distance driving).
Another interesting note, my parents both had '76 Honda Civic hatchbacks (both were sticks). They got 36mpg in the city, and ~45mpg driving between Bellingham & Seattle. Show me an average car that can do that today.
It's far too early to tell what impact Novell has had on Suse. Remember back when Microsoft bought Foxpro? Everyone was excited, because they released v2.5 shortly after, including a windows version (it was dos only prior to that). I took a class at MSU (Microsoft University) on Foxpro shortly after 2.5 was released, and discovered that the original designers were preping a windows version long before the merger. The first Microsoft version of Foxpro was 3.0. It was dubbed Visual Foxpro, and had all of the trappings of other Visual development apps. I still have the magazines with developers in an uproar about that.
The same was true with Corel buying Wordperfect and Quatropro. Or AOL buying netscape.
While I do believe that Novell will be a good thing, I'm waiting until the next release to formulate an opinion based on mergers.
Lines 609-616: #ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK/*
* RCLOCK subsystem is initialized right after SMP initialization.
* This allows RC to use online cpu maps and other SMP info.
*/
rc_init();
kmemd_init(); #endif/* CONFIG_RCLOCK */
That's right, 2 function calls, 2 #includes, 2 #ifdef's, and 4 lines of comments.
Oh my god, the rampant theft of code.
This is from the Linux Scalability Project from sourceforge.net. The code appears to have completely been redone in 2.6.x.
Also, I was browsing some of the RCU links, and discovered this interesting stuff from IBM: http://www.research.ibm.com/K42/#open_source.
I got my first Atari CX800 (with 48k) for Christmas of '82. Wrote a simple room based text adventure in basic, using almost half of the memory, over a two month period. Finally borrowed a friends tape drive to save it (didn't have a tape drive or floppy drive, just the computer - cheap parents) sometime in February. I still have both today (fully working).
I got a Gorilla Banana printer in '84 to do my homework. 8-pin dotmatrix. It broke down in '89 when I was stationed at Fort Hood. Interface got fried, but it would still do a test print if you shorted two pins together on the parallel port. Managed to get $150 from a pawn shop with that little trick.
Currently, I own the original CX800, a newer 800XL, the XF551 drive, the tape drive (my friend let me keep it), plus boxes of 5.25 floppies (~200). I also collected 6 520 & 1040 ST computers, but that's a different generation.
GrueMaster "You've entered a dark place. You're likely to be eaten by a grue!"
Then this is not for you.
The reason people build systems like this is not economical, it's because they can. Why else would we have projects like mythtv.org, or freevo.sourceforge.net. Other projects have a similar folowing, like text mode quake (http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/), or my favorite recent project, Bar Monkey (http://www3.hmc.edu/~bgreer/barmonkey/). Again, if you have to ask, this product isn't for you.
He's sure to make an impact on the skydiving industry.
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There is a lot of confusion about this licensing debiacle. The main problem is, there are components added to winex binaries that can't be released in open source format (safedisk copy protection support, Install Shield). Other stuff will be released when their subscriber base can sustain further development (~20k subscribers). Some stuff is released back into the mainstream wine almost immediately (some of the DCOM support).
Granted, their method of releasing code isn't perfect, they also don't have the comercial customer support base that codeweavers has. And yes, they do support.deb,.rpm, &.tgz binary releases now (as of 2.01).
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Loki did the original port before they went out of business. As I understand it, they never returned the code changes back to the original publishers, and the publishers were left in a lurch. Now you can get all three Kohan games from Transgaming. They are more native than running the windows versions, but less than the Loki version, in that they have been recompiled againes the winelibs, but are still linux native binaries. And, they are now updated. The only game I know of that the port was halted on as a result of Winex was Deus EX, but that was because Loki hadn't finished their port yet when the publisher learned that it could be run out of the box with Winex. The port was canceled because the publisher didn't see a need to spend money to port it. Neverwinter Nights, Doom3, Unreal Tournament series, etc, are different in that the porting is being done almost at the same time in the development, but for different reasons. John Carmack, who has supported Linux for a long time, even said that the only reason they port their games is because they can, not because of sales. I've been using linux almost exclusively for 8 years now (I have to use windows at work), and it's come a long way on the desktop. Loki was a company that was ahead of their time, and could be doing well today if they had made some better financial and marketing decisions. The Linux gaming market is coming up fast, but it will be a few more years before it really takes off (think Longhorn timeframe - hint hint). Tobin
The reason that those games are even in their database is because I submitted them for testing purposes. Seems to me that a good comparison for how a game is performing is to play both native and windows versions on the same hardware.
On that note, both games performed ~2% slower on linux native than they did in winex (at the time I made the comparisons early last year). Kind of odd, don't you think?
Tobin
Where's the Darl when you need him?
When my 1998 Mitsubishi Montero Sport gets roughly the same mileage as my dad's '63 Mercury Montclair did when I was in highschool (my dad made me keep a log). For those of you that didn't have one, it was basicly a tank on tires. I don't remember all of the specs (we sold the car 20 years ago), but I remember helping rebuild the 408cc Engine. It also had a standard Ford 2 speed automatic transmission. It was big enough to seat 6 linemen from my HS football team in seatbelts. I'd estimate the milage as 20 city, 25? highway (I only used it to go to school & work after school, no long distance driving). Another interesting note, my parents both had '76 Honda Civic hatchbacks (both were sticks). They got 36mpg in the city, and ~45mpg driving between Bellingham & Seattle. Show me an average car that can do that today.
It's far too early to tell what impact Novell has had on Suse. Remember back when Microsoft bought Foxpro? Everyone was excited, because they released v2.5 shortly after, including a windows version (it was dos only prior to that). I took a class at MSU (Microsoft University) on Foxpro shortly after 2.5 was released, and discovered that the original designers were preping a windows version long before the merger. The first Microsoft version of Foxpro was 3.0. It was dubbed Visual Foxpro, and had all of the trappings of other Visual development apps. I still have the magazines with developers in an uproar about that.
The same was true with Corel buying Wordperfect and Quatropro. Or AOL buying netscape.
While I do believe that Novell will be a good thing, I'm waiting until the next release to formulate an opinion based on mergers.
GrueMaster
Theoreticly, it would be possible, but you'd have to run faster, and if your heat dissipating socks lost contact with your shoes, they'd burn up.
Lines 30-33:
/* /* CONFIG_RCLOCK */
#ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK
#include <linux/rclock.h>
#include <linux/kmemdef.h>
#endif
Lines 609-616:
#ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK
* RCLOCK subsystem is initialized right after SMP initialization.
* This allows RC to use online cpu maps and other SMP info.
*/
rc_init();
kmemd_init();
#endif
That's right, 2 function calls, 2 #includes, 2 #ifdef's, and 4 lines of comments.
Oh my god, the rampant theft of code.
This is from the Linux Scalability Project from sourceforge.net. The code appears to have completely been redone in 2.6.x.
Also, I was browsing some of the RCU links, and discovered this interesting stuff from IBM: http://www.research.ibm.com/K42/#open_source.
I got my first Atari CX800 (with 48k) for Christmas of '82. Wrote a simple room based text adventure in basic, using almost half of the memory, over a two month period. Finally borrowed a friends tape drive to save it (didn't have a tape drive or floppy drive, just the computer - cheap parents) sometime in February. I still have both today (fully working).
I got a Gorilla Banana printer in '84 to do my homework. 8-pin dotmatrix. It broke down in '89 when I was stationed at Fort Hood. Interface got fried, but it would still do a test print if you shorted two pins together on the parallel port. Managed to get $150 from a pawn shop with that little trick.
Currently, I own the original CX800, a newer 800XL, the XF551 drive, the tape drive (my friend let me keep it), plus boxes of 5.25 floppies (~200). I also collected 6 520 & 1040 ST computers, but that's a different generation.
GrueMaster
"You've entered a dark place. You're likely to be eaten by a grue!"
Then this is not for you. The reason people build systems like this is not economical, it's because they can. Why else would we have projects like mythtv.org, or freevo.sourceforge.net. Other projects have a similar folowing, like text mode quake (http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/), or my favorite recent project, Bar Monkey (http://www3.hmc.edu/~bgreer/barmonkey/). Again, if you have to ask, this product isn't for you.
Then this (along with the ascii art driver for quake) is not for you. Way too cool.
He's sure to make an impact on the skydiving industry.
Shhh...Don't give them insight to the master plans!
Granted, their method of releasing code isn't perfect, they also don't have the comercial customer support base that codeweavers has. And yes, they do support .deb, .rpm, & .tgz binary releases now (as of 2.01).