A coffee shop exists for the purpose of making profit like any other business. Refer to starbucks for the ultimate example of this.
Okay, now I've got it - I've been trolled, and I've been replying to a random comment generating bot. A human would have noted my earlier reply concerning the ex-MS project manager who started two nonprofit coffee shops. A human might even google on "nonprofit business" and read some of the nearly 4 million hits.
I'll agree with that software-wise. Does anyone out there have comparisons of I/O capability between stand-alone Sun boxes (mini-computers which I know can handle the traffic) and available Linux boxes? I'm talking heavy duty here - multiple tape drives, large RAID, SAN, multiple (6-8) CD/DVD drives. Anyone done this kind of conversion/port?
That which one does for an occupation, employment, livelihood, mercantile concerns, or traffic in general. - The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language
Are you saying a coffee shop is not a business? Yes, I'm certainly seeing a pattern here.
You need to get a better perspective on what's ancient. I suggest spending some time in some Roman, Greek, or even . ..
I suggest you need to do the Ancient Mines mission, look for the discolored wall, and blast it with the panzerfaust. Inside the hidden room you will find the first-level Sarcasm and Joke Detector with an extra powerup. Good luck.:)
It seems that what MS have patented is an interesting extension to this... they generate a checklist in a window, and when you tick items off, that removes the comment automatically. And they automatically add syntax errors to it while you type, too.
Yup, that's definitely a Microsoft product if it automatically adds syntax errors. I think I'll stick with "grep TODO *.cpp", thanks anyway.
But ummm the article you pointed to was referring to a non-profit organization. Precisely what does that have to do with a business, which is the opposite of a non-profit?
There are a number of definitions of business. Organizations and foundations are also businesses - they have officers, employ workers, engage in commerce with the public, other businesses, etc. You must have also missed the/. article about the ex-MS project manager who started, among other businesses, two non-profit coffee shops as a public service. Just because you can't understand motives other than profit doesn't mean they don't exist.
Who's the greater fool, KB with his million dollars in book revenue or the people who laugh at him on/. all day, confident in their superiority.
He's not going to get any million dollars from the vanity press he's paying to publish his "book", but that's not the real problem. The problem is that all of Brown's discredited nonsense will still be easily available for citation by web search. And people will automatically believe that it's true because *it's on the computer*. His so-called paper will be used as *proof* against Linux by opponents for years. I'll bet that "Overly Critical Guy" troll starts using links to it within the week (remember, it was predicted here first).
. . . or you can try BSD variants back then (or couldn't you? I'm not familiar with BSD history).
I was interested in BSD back when the 386's became available, but it cost several hundred dollars, IIRC, whereas MS DOS was around thirty dollars or so (if you wanted to pay for it, that is). So, now you know how we wound up where we are, with the prices reversed.
I suppose you think it should have a big red button labelled "Look, feel and behave exactly like our old system"?
I suppose you think that companies should have to change their business rules in order to adapt to SAP? I'm a software developer, and I believe it should be the other way around.
No, what I'm suggesting is that you are making claims which are basically nothing but FUD - there's nothing to back them up, but they sound at least vaguely plausible.
No, you seem to be confusing me with the original poster. The only claims I've made, I've backed up with personal experience. The OP suggested that MS could have code that originated elsewhere in Windows. That's not only a possibility, it's a known fact - MS lifted code from BSD. Wake up and smell the reality.
Showing that you eat meat (which is legal - and in this analogy, the equivalent of using BSD code) does not mean that you are a serial killer.
And top it off with a ridiculous, faulty analogy. Showing that MS has appropriated others' code proves that their programmers know how to do it and are not opposed to doing it. As I pointed out previously, it does not have to be copyright infringement. Your one-legged stance that appropriated code could never make into Windows in some given time frame is provenly false. I suggest the burden of proof is on you since you claim to know that something is impossible. I'm just saying it's possible, even likely, because it's a common occurrence. Most coders don't try to reinvent the wheel every day.
How true. Companies that have made the mistake of paying for SAP and all that it won't do will not allow you to pronounce it "sap", it must be in the contract somewhere. It is ess-aay-pee until the manager turns his back, then you've got two saps.
Any code where the value proposition is such that it makes more sense for Microsoft to steal it and roll it into their OS rather than writing their own version from scratch will indeed be complex enough that it cannot be done overnight.
You are suggesting that Microsoft's executives and the legal department observe every single coder as they produce every line of code. Gee, if they do that, maybe they could peer review it at the same time and fix the security holes. You really don't know how it works, and you're showing it. Again ( try reading the words this time) appropriating code does not have to be a huge operation nor does it have to be a large amount of code, it could be only one programmer taking code from somewhere else. Microsoft has taken BSD code in the past, it's not news.
Where in this copyright-infringement-causing miraculous deadline of which you speak, is there the time for the person allegedly doing the copying to actually figure out which code to copy, work out how it works, and then work out how to splice it into their existing codebase?
Well, since I am a coder, I have no problem seeing what the parent was talking about, and it doesn't necessarily have to involve copyright infringement, although it easily could.
This isn't a task that could be done overnight . ..
Nonsense. I was recently having a problem with a Perl/Tk program (a wonderful mix of unrelated languages using a syntax that belongs to neither). One routine was not operating as it should--it was functional but not quickly visually responsive. After some googling, I found some code that appeared to be the answer at the PerlMonks site. I added that code to mine and found that it was broken. I fixed it, but it is still obviously copied (with some minor changes) if you look at both routines. As far as I'm concerned, the code is public domain. Total time for unattributed *code reuse*: about four hours. It ain't rocket science, it's coding.
Just because you take only a few dozen lines of code doesn't make it any less *taken*. You can find code from various sources all over the web, in books, magazines, or even man pages. I've reused code from all of them.
I've gotta ask. Do you ACs just sit in a discussion and constantly hit reload to see if anyone replies or your comment gets moderated? Is your time that worthless?
Not exactly. Any system administrator (which I assume he is -- . ..
Why on earth would you assume that? The guy was helping a relative, not some user at work, reinstall Windows.
He didn't do that, he didn't run a firewall... he didn't take any sensible protection.
If I were visiting my relatives, a thousand miles from my home, and had to reinstall Windows on one of their computers, I'd have to take the chance since there wouldn't be much choice. It would be the same advice you'd get from MS tech support: reinstall Windows and download the updates.
Would you install RedHat 5.0 (out around the same time) and put it out on the web immediately, expecting not to get hit by worms before patching (yes, they exist for Linux)?
No, I'd be running Mandrake and have the firewall put up during the installation before downloading the updates, and I wouldn't be concerned about it. Done it before.
I rest my case.
Get a better lawyer, and stop trying to blame users for Windows' shortcomings.
What made you think putting an unsecured machine on a network unprotected would be a good idea, even to get patches? As you saw, it'll get infected in minutes. Maybe you should put Zonealarm on a CD or a USB memory key and move it over that way.
Really. That silly person should know enough to always carry CDs with firewalls, virus checkers with the latest signature files, and all the accumulated updates for each and every version of Windows. What was he thinking? Better yet, every Windows user should be required to have a separate Linux box to download firewalls and updates in case they have to reinstall Windows. (That was sarcasm in case anyone is wondering.) By all means blame the guy trying to help out a relative for Windows being the software equivalent of a petri dish.
It would be nice if they had attachment points on both the unit and the cap, so that the user can choose how to wear it.
With a stiff enough cap (or one that locked on), I can see attaching the strap to the cap.
Consider your wishes granted. I'm sure there are marketing miscreants (no offense) poring over this discussion looking for ideas. Considering these drives are blooming like dandelions, I'll bet we see your new features offerred within two months.
I'll make one point about increasing the reliability (lifetime) of flash drives for Linux users (this was in Linux Journal). Be sure your fstab entry for the flash drive has *noatime* as an option, and this is getting harder to enforce as the desktops and automount/supermount thingies insist on rewriting fstab. If you allow atime updates, you write to the flash drive every time you read from it, decreasing its lifetime by some amount (depending on how often you read from it in relation to how often you write to it). Allowing atime updates also slows down I/O slightly, of course.
I wouldn't bet on it. Grandma won't complain to Microsoft, because she has no idea what DRM or an OS is. Last week a lady wrote a letter to the local newspaper ranting about how her computer had been overrun with viruses and spyware twice in two weeks despite her updates and virus scanner. She had to do a fresh install twice.
So, did she complain about Microsoft sticking her with broken, buggy, insecure software? No. She was raging about how the cable company was letting the malware get through to her computer.
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C'mon, don't spread rumors like that. Darl's mother is not dead, she's working three jobs trying to pay off the lawsuit.
A coffee shop exists for the purpose of making profit like any other business. Refer to starbucks for the ultimate example of this.
Okay, now I've got it - I've been trolled, and I've been replying to a random comment generating bot. A human would have noted my earlier reply concerning the ex-MS project manager who started two nonprofit coffee shops. A human might even google on "nonprofit business" and read some of the nearly 4 million hits.
Schwartz said: Make no mistake, we will open-source Solaris.
Sun also said, "Umm, no we're not going to turn control of Java over to a real standards body, we were just kidding."
Two, perhaps three. No biggie.
I'll agree with that software-wise. Does anyone out there have comparisons of I/O capability between stand-alone Sun boxes (mini-computers which I know can handle the traffic) and available Linux boxes? I'm talking heavy duty here - multiple tape drives, large RAID, SAN, multiple (6-8) CD/DVD drives. Anyone done this kind of conversion/port?
That which one does for an occupation, employment, livelihood, mercantile concerns, or traffic in general. - The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language
Are you saying a coffee shop is not a business? Yes, I'm certainly seeing a pattern here.
You need to get a better perspective on what's ancient. I suggest spending some time in some Roman, Greek, or even . . .
I suggest you need to do the Ancient Mines mission, look for the discolored wall, and blast it with the panzerfaust. Inside the hidden room you will find the first-level Sarcasm and Joke Detector with an extra powerup. Good luck. :)
It seems that what MS have patented is an interesting extension to this... they generate a checklist in a window, and when you tick items off, that removes the comment automatically. And they automatically add syntax errors to it while you type, too.
Yup, that's definitely a Microsoft product if it automatically adds syntax errors. I think I'll stick with "grep TODO *.cpp", thanks anyway.
But ummm the article you pointed to was referring to a non-profit organization. Precisely what does that have to do with a business, which is the opposite of a non-profit?
There are a number of definitions of business. Organizations and foundations are also businesses - they have officers, employ workers, engage in commerce with the public, other businesses, etc. You must have also missed the /. article about the ex-MS project manager who started, among other businesses, two non-profit coffee shops as a public service. Just because you can't understand motives other than profit doesn't mean they don't exist.
Who's the greater fool, KB with his million dollars in book revenue or the people who laugh at him on /. all day, confident in their superiority.
He's not going to get any million dollars from the vanity press he's paying to publish his "book", but that's not the real problem. The problem is that all of Brown's discredited nonsense will still be easily available for citation by web search. And people will automatically believe that it's true because *it's on the computer*. His so-called paper will be used as *proof* against Linux by opponents for years. I'll bet that "Overly Critical Guy" troll starts using links to it within the week (remember, it was predicted here first).
. . . or you can try BSD variants back then (or couldn't you? I'm not familiar with BSD history).
I was interested in BSD back when the 386's became available, but it cost several hundred dollars, IIRC, whereas MS DOS was around thirty dollars or so (if you wanted to pay for it, that is). So, now you know how we wound up where we are, with the prices reversed.
You've got it backwards jack. Business exists to make profit. Their other stated goals are merely how they go about making profit.
You need to watch those absolutes, John. You must have missed the earlier article
I suppose you think it should have a big red button labelled "Look, feel and behave exactly like our old system"?
I suppose you think that companies should have to change their business rules in order to adapt to SAP? I'm a software developer, and I believe it should be the other way around.
No, what I'm suggesting is that you are making claims which are basically nothing but FUD - there's nothing to back them up, but they sound at least vaguely plausible.
No, you seem to be confusing me with the original poster. The only claims I've made, I've backed up with personal experience. The OP suggested that MS could have code that originated elsewhere in Windows. That's not only a possibility, it's a known fact - MS lifted code from BSD. Wake up and smell the reality.
Showing that you eat meat (which is legal - and in this analogy, the equivalent of using BSD code) does not mean that you are a serial killer.
And top it off with a ridiculous, faulty analogy. Showing that MS has appropriated others' code proves that their programmers know how to do it and are not opposed to doing it. As I pointed out previously, it does not have to be copyright infringement. Your one-legged stance that appropriated code could never make into Windows in some given time frame is provenly false. I suggest the burden of proof is on you since you claim to know that something is impossible. I'm just saying it's possible, even likely, because it's a common occurrence. Most coders don't try to reinvent the wheel every day.
SAP and a bunch of saps.
How true. Companies that have made the mistake of paying for SAP and all that it won't do will not allow you to pronounce it "sap", it must be in the contract somewhere. It is ess-aay-pee until the manager turns his back, then you've got two saps.
Any code where the value proposition is such that it makes more sense for Microsoft to steal it and roll it into their OS rather than writing their own version from scratch will indeed be complex enough that it cannot be done overnight.
You are suggesting that Microsoft's executives and the legal department observe every single coder as they produce every line of code. Gee, if they do that, maybe they could peer review it at the same time and fix the security holes. You really don't know how it works, and you're showing it. Again ( try reading the words this time) appropriating code does not have to be a huge operation nor does it have to be a large amount of code, it could be only one programmer taking code from somewhere else. Microsoft has taken BSD code in the past, it's not news.
Where in this copyright-infringement-causing miraculous deadline of which you speak, is there the time for the person allegedly doing the copying to actually figure out which code to copy, work out how it works, and then work out how to splice it into their existing codebase?
Well, since I am a coder, I have no problem seeing what the parent was talking about, and it doesn't necessarily have to involve copyright infringement, although it easily could.
This isn't a task that could be done overnight . . .
Nonsense. I was recently having a problem with a Perl/Tk program (a wonderful mix of unrelated languages using a syntax that belongs to neither). One routine was not operating as it should--it was functional but not quickly visually responsive. After some googling, I found some code that appeared to be the answer at the PerlMonks site. I added that code to mine and found that it was broken. I fixed it, but it is still obviously copied (with some minor changes) if you look at both routines. As far as I'm concerned, the code is public domain. Total time for unattributed *code reuse*: about four hours. It ain't rocket science, it's coding.
Just because you take only a few dozen lines of code doesn't make it any less *taken*. You can find code from various sources all over the web, in books, magazines, or even man pages. I've reused code from all of them.
I've gotta ask. Do you ACs just sit in a discussion and constantly hit reload to see if anyone replies or your comment gets moderated? Is your time that worthless?
Do you use Ximian instead of Outlook? Beware. [vmyths.com]
Okay, maybe I'm just slow today. Ximian isn't mentioned in the linked article, so your point is . . . ?
Not exactly. Any system administrator (which I assume he is -- . . .
Why on earth would you assume that? The guy was helping a relative, not some user at work, reinstall Windows.
He didn't do that, he didn't run a firewall... he didn't take any sensible protection.
If I were visiting my relatives, a thousand miles from my home, and had to reinstall Windows on one of their computers, I'd have to take the chance since there wouldn't be much choice. It would be the same advice you'd get from MS tech support: reinstall Windows and download the updates.
Would you install RedHat 5.0 (out around the same time) and put it out on the web immediately, expecting not to get hit by worms before patching (yes, they exist for Linux)?
No, I'd be running Mandrake and have the firewall put up during the installation before downloading the updates, and I wouldn't be concerned about it. Done it before.
I rest my case.
Get a better lawyer, and stop trying to blame users for Windows' shortcomings.
What made you think putting an unsecured machine on a network unprotected would be a good idea, even to get patches? As you saw, it'll get infected in minutes. Maybe you should put Zonealarm on a CD or a USB memory key and move it over that way.
Really. That silly person should know enough to always carry CDs with firewalls, virus checkers with the latest signature files, and all the accumulated updates for each and every version of Windows. What was he thinking? Better yet, every Windows user should be required to have a separate Linux box to download firewalls and updates in case they have to reinstall Windows. (That was sarcasm in case anyone is wondering.) By all means blame the guy trying to help out a relative for Windows being the software equivalent of a petri dish.
It would be nice if they had attachment points on both the unit and the cap, so that the user can choose how to wear it.
With a stiff enough cap (or one that locked on), I can see attaching the strap to the cap.
Consider your wishes granted. I'm sure there are marketing miscreants (no offense) poring over this discussion looking for ideas. Considering these drives are blooming like dandelions, I'll bet we see your new features offerred within two months.
I'll make one point about increasing the reliability (lifetime) of flash drives for Linux users (this was in Linux Journal). Be sure your fstab entry for the flash drive has *noatime* as an option, and this is getting harder to enforce as the desktops and automount/supermount thingies insist on rewriting fstab. If you allow atime updates, you write to the flash drive every time you read from it, decreasing its lifetime by some amount (depending on how often you read from it in relation to how often you write to it). Allowing atime updates also slows down I/O slightly, of course.
Ha. You forgot barking up the wrong tree, but I'll leaf it at that. :)
C'mon, if you gonna do it, do it right: but wood you learn to spell if you were board?
I wouldn't bet on it. Grandma won't complain to Microsoft, because she has no idea what DRM or an OS is. Last week a lady wrote a letter to the local newspaper ranting about how her computer had been overrun with viruses and spyware twice in two weeks despite her updates and virus scanner. She had to do a fresh install twice.
So, did she complain about Microsoft sticking her with broken, buggy, insecure software? No. She was raging about how the cable company was letting the malware get through to her computer.