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Hi-speed USB2 Flash Drive Round-Up

An anonymous reader writes "Ars Technica has a USB 2.0 Flash drive review featuring 8 drives from different manufacturers. What's so interesting about the review is that not all Flash drives are created equal. Some have very unique features while some are clearly better than others. They also took a detailed look inside one of the drives as well as put two drives in a RAID-0 array (a la Mac OS X). Now that's cool!"

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  1. Putting USB flash drives... by technogeeky · · Score: 5, Funny

    in a raid array has to be the geekiest thing I've ever heard of. What is this world coming to?

    1. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by biz0r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's geeky to want to have redundancy and retain data?

      Putting all of your eggs in one basket (so to speak) is rarely, if ever, a Good Thing.

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    2. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Adriax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is quite a big geekier if you ask me.
      Striping floppies to get better speed and storage...

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    3. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the limitation is still 100,000 i/o's, right?

    4. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Kenja · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the array of ZIP disks I built way back when was geeker.

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    5. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by biz0r · · Score: 1

      Or rather maybe I should read the thing first...raid 0 flash? Ok maybe a bit geeky, I guess... But my point still stands...

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    6. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are planning on using them to write a large amount of data (here they used 500mb) for easy transport, I don't see why you wouldn't use a software RAID configuration.

      It is well known that software RAID usually produces about 2x the speed that you would have w/a traditional setup. USB drives aren't exactly fast as it is (2.0 is getting there though).

      I know plenty of people that use several 256MB drives to carry their data around. If RAID was this easy on any platform I would suggest they do the same thing.

    7. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's geeky to want to have redundancy and retain data?

      No, but that's not what RAID-0 is all about. I think you must be confusing the different RAID standards. RAID-1 is redundancy, RAID-0 is speed.

    8. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Adriax · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're thinking raid-1, mirroring. This is raid-0, striping.
      One drive goes (or even connect them incorrectly...), you lose everything without hope for recovery.

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    9. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by You+aren't+funny · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it doesn't.
      The "R" in "RAID" stands for "Redundant". RAID level 0 is called that because there is no redundancy.
      You could say RAID 0 so it isn't even really a RAID level. It is more like AID.

    10. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by biz0r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, and if you look at my own reply to my post, you will see I corrected myself. I should have read more closely...I very well know the different raid architectures as I handle a large-ish server room with plenty of horsepower at work.

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    11. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by HiredMan · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Dude, this is WAY geekier RAID than that.

      If that's the geekiest thng you've ever heard of you must be new aro... I can't even say it. ;)

      =tkk

    12. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by ilikejam · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the 'R' is redundant then?

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    13. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if you look at my own reply to my post, you will see I corrected myself.

      What, this reply:

      Re:Putting USB flash drives... (Score:1)
      by biz0r (656300) on Thursday June 03, @05:15PM (#9327349)
      (http://biz0r.biz/)
      Or rather maybe I should read the thing first...raid 0 flash? Ok maybe a bit geeky, I guess... But my point still stands...


      Where you say your point still stands... what point would that be, would it be It's geeky to want to have redundancy and retain data? or would it be Putting all of your eggs in one basket (so to speak) is rarely, if ever, a Good Thing. .

      ???

    14. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not a terrible idea, in fact, it'd be cool if there was a RAID-5-type redundancy built into the storage device itself so that flash failures wouldn't shitcan the entire data store.

    15. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Atticu5 · · Score: 1

      You could say RAID 0 so it isn't even really a RAID level. It is more like AID.

      And considering the price of some of these drives, you can drop the "I" as well. How does an AD sound?

    16. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately you can't run superformat on USB floppies.

      Still, it's a cool concept. And maybe you could use floppies you've previously run superformat on to get approx. 2MB each.

    17. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately you don't appear to have read the article as it states quite clearly that though a raid array _can_ be set up on these, there is no practical purpose as the array itself is not portable, kinda defeating the purpose.

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    18. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      So if you built a storage array with really expensive disks, would it be RAD?

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    19. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by loose+electron · · Score: 0

      This is also known as JBOD, or

      "Just a Bunch Of Disks"

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    20. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by JoeZeppy · · Score: 1

      No, that'd be RED

    21. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      The poster I was responding to (Not you AC troll) appeared to believe that this would be useful if USB-Drive Raid Arrays could be set up on other platforms, then one could reap the benefits of faster read/writes and have portability as well.

      I was pointing out that it wouldn't matter because a USB-Drive raid array set up on one machine CANNOT BE PLUGGED INTO ANOTHER MACHINE AND BE ACCESSED AS SUCH. (As it stated quite clearly in the article)

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    22. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Sven+The+Space+Monke · · Score: 1

      How does the cost factor into RAID? Oh, wait! I get it. Another person who thinks the I in RAID means 'inexpensive'. Sorry dude, the I is for 'independant'. Redundant Array of Independant Disks.

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    23. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU FUCKING DUMB MOTHERFUCKER. RAID is not a static configuration. You can take it down in one spot and put it back up in another. Why are you /so/ fucking dense?

    24. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i = {inexpensive, interchangable}
      I still works, just the meaning your thinking doesn't

      redundant
      array of
      {inexpensive, interchangable}
      {drives, disks, devices}

      and if i googled for it, i'm sure i could find more choices for what the letters mean.

    25. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you are misinformed. The I in RAID does in fact stand for inexpensive, since when RAID was created the alternative was a Single Large Expensive Disk (SLED). That fact that this alternative is now obsolete and the I has been co-opted to mean independant so that folks like you would get its meaning doesn't change the history. But then again, you probably think that the V in DVD stands for video

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    26. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by damiam · · Score: 1

      No, it's be RAED. A RED (a redundant expensive disks) makes no sense.

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    27. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Wog · · Score: 1

      Since these don't even contain disks, per se, you could call it an AEFD - Array of Expensive Flash Drives.

      Gosh.

    28. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or simply TWNETOFABOFDIARA. The Worst Name Ever Tought Of For A Bunch Of F**g Drives In A Raid Array.

    29. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by biz0r · · Score: 1

      Point being that it is not geeky to want redundancy of your data....so essentially the 'Putting all of your eggs in one basket (so to speak) is rarely, if ever, a Good Thing.' reason. I just misread the original post, and thought I read raid-1 where it was actually raid-0...whats so difficult to understand here?

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    30. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by anti-trojan · · Score: 1

      It is funny that R in RAID stands for "Redundancy" though.

      Not that you are wrong, of course.

    31. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      There was a DOS program that would turn 5 1.2MB floppies into a 5MB hard drive. You had to do the floppy shuffle, but it got you more storage.

      Yes, this was on a 286. Back when a 40MB drive was $500.....

    32. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by echo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Linux this is totally possible as the software raid stuff would store the raid configuration on sector 0 of the drive.

      I've done this sort of thing with CD-Rs..

      CD-ROM RAID Howto

    33. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Lairsdragon · · Score: 1

      Great! I need this badly (does this also work with Linux md ?)

    34. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by GregChant · · Score: 1

      It did, and still does to some extent, with respect to digital video (i.e. most every DVD out there). However, parent is generally mistaken. DVD doesn't stand for anything anymore.

    35. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Adriax · · Score: 1

      You apparently not realising when I started making that post, you hadn't made your retraction.
      Don't get so defensive just because I type slowly.

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    36. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1
      You are right, the I in RAID stands for Independent, but it used to stand for Inexpensive - it was changed for marketing reasons.

      Glossary

  2. I flashed my USB once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...damned schoolgirl called the cops. Who knew she could see it?

    On the playground?

    In a raincoat?

    I'm just saying...

    1. Re:I flashed my USB once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Did you try to plug it in? Hope you and a friend didn't try to do a RAID array.

  3. Which is which? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Um...hi-speed vs fullspeed...which one's the gimpy one again?

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    1. Re:Which is which? by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Informative
      -from the article- USB 2.0 now has three different signaling rates:

      Low Speed (1.5Mbps)
      Full Speed (12Mbps)
      Hi-Speed (480Mbps)

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    2. Re:Which is which? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought it was funny that the "full speed" wasn't actually USB 2.0's full speed, but more like one-fiftieth speed.

    3. Re:Which is which? by ericspinder · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I always thought it was funny that the "full speed" wasn't actually USB 2.0's full speed, but more like one-fiftieth speed.
      Typical short sighted naming problem. Full speed, was the "full speed" of the older spec, but now we have hi-speed thanks to the 2.0 spec. So for USB 3.0 we'll have "super speed" (or whatever they call it) ,as well as supporting "hi-speed", "full speed" and "low speed". The real problem is that they can call a drive "USB 2.0" and only support up to the "full speed" of the 1.0 spec.
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    4. Re:Which is which? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeesh...

      It's like hair gel strengths. You could get "Super Hold", or "Ultra Hold", or even go up to "Mega Mega Hold" but, heck, why bother when there's "Ultimate Extreme Hold"

    5. Re:Which is which? by ePhil_One · · Score: 1

      Personally I'm waiting for the version 4.0 "Ludicrous speed" [Thanks Mel Brooks/Spaceballs]

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    6. Re:Which is which? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, here is the best part. From the article:

      By January of 1996, USB 1.0 was born. The new serial bus protocol supported two signaling rates: low speed (1.5Mbps) and high speed (12Mbps)

      and
      By 2000, USB 2.0 was created with a theoretical data transfer rate of 480Mbps. With the 14-fold speed increase,

      HAHAHA 12 x 14 does not equal 480.

    7. Re:Which is which? by npsimons · · Score: 1

      So for USB 3.0 we'll have "super speed"

      And for USB 4.0, we can have ludicrous speed!


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    8. Re:Which is which? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I hear an echo?

  4. special features are useful but.. by patrick.whitlock · · Score: 5, Informative

    not always, in my office we share usb drives to save time, so far they're the handiest things i've found so far... but if you really need biomectrically locked drive that looks like an inkpen, go right ahead

  5. Durability/Reliability by rot26 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue of durability and/or reliability wasn't addressed in the review but I have to say that I was impressed as hell when my Cruzer-mini went through both my washer and dryer with no apparent effect. That was several months ago and it still works great.

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    1. Re:Durability/Reliability by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I've put my Viking through the washer and dryer twice and it still works nicely.

      The case has a vent in it, so water definitely passed through it.

    2. Re:Durability/Reliability by patrick.whitlock · · Score: 1

      me too, its been washed twice and not only does it still work, but the data on it before the wash was still there and intact afterwards. not so much a special feature as it is a side effect, but kick ass none the less

    3. Re:Durability/Reliability by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      I had a 16MB thumbdrive - can't remember the brand - but it was lost, found without the protective cap being kicked around on the floor of our hallway at school. It's, oh, 2 years old now and currently being used (third owner) by a friend of mine. Still Works. (TM)

    4. Re:Durability/Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's to be expected, after all, to raid other villages by sea you have to be pretty durable. Still, I'm impressed you were able to cram him into the washer and dryer.

    5. Re:Durability/Reliability by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative
      I wish they had addressed the issue of reliability. I wouldn't have read the review if I had known that they skipped that. Frankly, we need a review of these flash drives that focuses -entirely- on reliability. What's the point of having a data storage device if when you need the data on it, you find the device broken beyond repair?

      I killed my Lexar JumpDrive "Secure" in about two months. My mother's class of about 15 people has killed somewhere around five of them in a semester. I don't know about the cause of failure in the others, but wIth mine, if you flex the heck out of it, you can sometimes get it to show up for a fraction of a second. In other words, the USB plug broke loose from the board inside.

      Needless to say, I don't intend to ever buy anything from them again. I'm not even going to bother getting them to repair it, since the replacement would seem to have about a 40% probability of failing in the first two months. Thus, I'm looking for a new flash drive from a new company, and my mother is looking for a new vendor to use for all the students in her class next year. Does anybody have any recommendations on low-power (keyboard-capable) flash drives that don't fall apart?

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    6. Re:Durability/Reliability by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My Cruzer fell out of my pocket once.. and by the time I found it again, it had been driven over a few times.

      That was 9 months ago and it is still humming along nicely... gouges and all.

    7. Re:Durability/Reliability by manitoulinnerd · · Score: 1

      Maximum PC had an issue with this in it a while ago. It might be available online. They tested the crap out of those poor flash drives, i don't recall how many survived.

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    8. Re:Durability/Reliability by fsck! · · Score: 1

      Flash in general is pretty reliable. I once dropped a digital camera in salt water, and wasn't able to retrieve it for around 30 minutes. The camera was beyond dead (bleeding rusty water) but the flash memory card was still usable. So usable, in fact, that a friend of mine borrowed it for a trip through Vietnam and Cambodia. God only knows what hell it went though in the jungle, but it still works to this day.

    9. Re:Durability/Reliability by p00p+at+instable.net · · Score: 0

      I have to say that I was impressed as hell when my Cruzer-mini went through both my washer and dryer with no apparent effect.

      But come 10,000 read/write cycles, and it's shot. Interesting. I did notice a similar lack-of-effect after washing my thumbdrive, but I'm crossing my fingers hoping it doesn't wear out soon :)

    10. Re:Durability/Reliability by Fweeky · · Score: 1
      I killed my Lexar JumpDrive "Secure" in about two months

      I have one of these as a replacement to my stolen bytestor; technically it's about as uninspiring as USB Flashdrives get, but what really irritates me is the case feels cheap and nasty, especially the USB cap, which I constantly expect to fall off or find cracks in. It's stupidly bulky too. So much for Lexar's brand name :/

      Do you still have the dead one, btw? Care opening it and seeing what's inside? Some JumpDrives act as SD card readers; be interesting to see if the sealed ones just include a cheapo Lexar SD card in there -- would explain why they're so bulky.
    11. Re:Durability/Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Happened to me before. I had my slashdot cookie with my name and password stored on it..

    12. Re:Durability/Reliability by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      I have to agree they do mention that the neck strap is a bit flimsy and they are right. When my 2 yo got it in his grubby little proto-geek paws the neck strap was the only thing that broke. All in all it is the best 50 bucks I ever gave Costco (Mine is 256 and the "old" model with write lock). Saves me all kinds of time at work. This is really one of those things that I bought cause I had a little extra cash and it was "cool" but once you have it you very quickly start using it *everywhere*. Works out of the box on every system I've stuck it on. Great little device. And if you really need durability they have a couple of models that are built with that in mind.

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    13. Re:Durability/Reliability by autocracy · · Score: 1

      SanDisk Cruzer Mini has been a rock for me. It's scuffed, carried around unlovingly, dented, and just generaly abused in a way electronic media shouldn't be. Granted, I haven't washed it yet (or sent it through the drier), but I've been very impressed with how it has held up. It's also one of the least expensive and thinest choices. Go figure.

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    14. Re:Durability/Reliability by foidulus · · Score: 1

      The article states that the Fujifilm drive comes with a lifetime warranty. Probably plenty of fine print, but it is worth investigating.

    15. Re:Durability/Reliability by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

      Lost my 256MB Lexar JumpDrive 2.0 Pro in the driveway during winter (lots of snow); found it a week later while shovelling. Dried it off, plugged it in, no problems.

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    16. Re:Durability/Reliability by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course you can fit a Viking into the dryer. Check out how looks when you take him out.

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    17. Re:Durability/Reliability by Threni · · Score: 1

      > The article states that the Fujifilm drive comes with a lifetime warranty. Probably plenty
      > of fine print, but it is worth investigating.

      I thought these things used flash memory, which has a finite lifetime, usually something like 100,000 writes. Why not knock up a VB program or batch file to write to and delete some files from it and leave it running for a few days and see what happens?

    18. Re:Durability/Reliability by npsimons · · Score: 1

      I wish they had addressed the issue of reliability. I wouldn't have read the review if I had known that they skipped that. Frankly, we need a review of these flash drives that focuses -entirely- on reliability. What's the point of having a data storage device if when you need the data on it, you find the device broken beyond repair?

      Taking this a step further, does anyone know if there are any hardware review sites that focus on reliability? Something like Tom's Hardware only for reliability instead of performance? Or maybe like a Consumer Reports for computers instead of cars? It seems more and more these days, people don't seem to give a flying f*ck about reliability, but only performance, and maybe that's okay when you are some gamer who's going to throw the old card out after three months because you upgrade, but some of us would like our purchase to last longer than the warranty.
    19. Re:Durability/Reliability by p51d007 · · Score: 1

      Amen to that! I've had mine bounce inside my tool case like a ping pong ball, had alcohol, glass cleaner, toner spilled all over it, left out in the sun, heat, cold and it keeps on working. I've got 2 Cruzers, 128, 256 and a Lexar 256 and that one is on my keychain and has been beat so much that the labeling is almost gone. Sure beats the crap out of floppy disks, zip disks (click of death), not to mention you don't need drivers (winxp)

    20. Re:Durability/Reliability by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      I'll make one point about increasing the reliability (lifetime) of flash drives for Linux users (this was in Linux Journal). Be sure your fstab entry for the flash drive has *noatime* as an option, and this is getting harder to enforce as the desktops and automount/supermount thingies insist on rewriting fstab. If you allow atime updates, you write to the flash drive every time you read from it, decreasing its lifetime by some amount (depending on how often you read from it in relation to how often you write to it). Allowing atime updates also slows down I/O slightly, of course.

  6. RAID Array? Afraid not... by loose+electron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Last time I checked, RAID still stood for

    "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks"

    So where is the spinning magnetic media?

    This seems to show some of the microsoft influence, where every storage medium plugged into the PC is defined as a disk drive.

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    1. Re:RAID Array? Afraid not... by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

      RAID-0
      RAID Level 0 is not redundant, hence does not truly fit the "RAID" acronym. In level 0, data is split across drives, resulting in higher data throughput. Since no redundant information is stored, performance is very good, but the failure of any disk in the array results in data loss. This level is commonly referred to as striping.

      Pulled from here

    2. Re:RAID Array? Afraid not... by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      You can make a RAID array out of the most expensive drives on the market, can't you? So the 'Inexpensive' seems to mean nothing as well.

      Maybe they changed the definition to "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives" and tried to tell you. But the envelope was addressed "For loose electron" so you thought it was from you instead of to you and.... you know, sometimes it's just easier to call you stupid.

      (Note: that's a Family Guy reference as opposed to trolling.)

    3. Re:RAID Array? Afraid not... by Feynman · · Score: 2, Funny
      This seems to show some of the microsoft influence, where every storage medium plugged into the PC is defined as a disk drive.

      . . . as opposed to the UNIX influence, where everything is defined as a file.

  7. OS X Raid Array by INeededALogin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gotta love it. Remember this guy. He used USB floppies in pretty much the same manner. I actually emailed him because I was curious about portability(traveling kind). Apparently all the raid information is stored on the drives so the entire raid array could be plugged into another machine and would work with no problems.

    1. Re:OS X Raid Array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      RAID array is redundant in too many ways, please stop writing it, all RAIDs are arrays, it's part of the acronym.

      Redundant
      ARRAY of
      Independent
      Drives

      It's like having at ATM machine: Automatic Teller Machine machine, or NIC card Network Interface Card card.

      And yes, I may be pedantic, but I'd rather be pedantic than look like an idiot.

    2. Re:OS X Raid Array by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

      I shouldn't even respond to this but...

      RAID card,
      RAID controller,
      RAID drive(s),
      RAID can

      No reason to be ambiguous.

      Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

    3. Re:OS X Raid Array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redundant
      ARRAY of
      Independent
      Drives

      So...

      Does this mean we've finally buried the old 'Intelligent/Inexpensive Disk' part?

    4. Re:OS X Raid Array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The array requires a controller (hardware or software), drives, etc. When you say RAID you are implicitly including all of the other required components since you can't have a RAID without all of the other parts.

      I guess to alleviate ambiguity, I should go to the ATM machine and insert my ATM card in to the ATM machine's ATM card slot and then enter my ATM card PIN number via the ATM keypad.

      There's nothing ambiguous about saying "Apparently all the raid information is stored on the drives so the entire array could be plugged into another machine and would work with no problems." In the a discussion of RAID.

    5. Re:OS X Raid Array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, There's still a lot of debate about the acronym.

      Redundant / Resilient
      Array
      Independent / Inexpensive
      Drives / Disks

      Lets not even get in to the debate over whether an array of arrays is itself a RAID or a RAIA, RAIR or RAIV (Arrays, RAIDs, Volumes).

      Personally I like RAIR but then I'm a sucker for recursive acronyms.

    6. Re:OS X Raid Array by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      I thought it was redundant array of inexpensive disks.

    7. Re:OS X Raid Array by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if I could only remember my Personal Identification Number Number so I could use that Automatic Teller Machine Machine...

    8. Re:OS X Raid Array by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Or building an OS around NT Technology.

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  8. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by neomiasma · · Score: 1, Troll
    All you got out of that review is the fact that they decided to use Mac OS X to do the RAID?

    I fail to see how it can be classified as zealotry, at any rate. It's not like they said that Linux sucks or anything. Here. Let me click my jolly, candy-like button and see how fast my knee can jerk to your bait.

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    And we also have a cancel button...in case you don't want toast.
  9. MRAM by AnwerB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NAND Flash is what's making this possible. It's denser and faster than NOR Flash.

    If you haven't heard of MRAM, that's definitely another technology to be on the lookout for. According to IBM and Infineon Technologies, it's supposed to start shipping this year.

    Basically, it has the density of DRAM, 15ns access time, and doesn't loses it's state even when powered down.

    Google turns up some articles: here, here, and here.

    1. Re:MRAM by chipace · · Score: 1

      MRAM could run at the full usb2.0 480MBit/s data rate... but would the usb port be able to supply enough juice?

    2. Re:MRAM by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      Perhaps add a solar panel from a calculator for those outdoor trips?

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    3. Re:MRAM by AnwerB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > but would the usb port be able to supply enough juice

      MRAM stands for magnetic RAM, so it takes no energy whatsoever to keep it's state. It only needs energy to read and write, and even if this is happening at an astoundingly high 5% duty-cycle, it's still only a fraction of the energy required to run other forms of RAM.

      MRAM is very good for things like cell phones and handhelds.

    4. Re:MRAM by chipace · · Score: 1

      Most usb ports are power limited, and transfering at 480Mbit/s to a higher capacitive memory (compared to dram) could pull the rail down as it sources more current. That could mean memory corruption as the write occurs.

    5. Re:MRAM by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a Firewire thumb drive? FW supplies more power than USB.

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      Article X: The powers not delegated... by the Constitution...are reserved...to the people
  10. Encryption with specification is pretty useless by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Regarding the SanDisk Cruzer Mini, Ars Technica mentions:

    Unfortunately, we were unable to ascertain the type and strength of encryption.

    Apparently, even the product packaging neglects to mention it. Neither is it listed on SanDisk's website. It could be as simple as rot-13 or as complex as multiple cascading one-way secure pads with quantum elliptical entanglements. Do you dare probe further to figure out what it's doing? Certainly not; you could well violate the DMCA.

    1. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably not quantum... :)

      What really amused me was the reviewer's shock and awe that you could encrypt the encryption .exe itself. (GASP!) Why would they include such a feature?!

      However, what's more telling is that the reviewer inferred that you were hosed once you encrypted this file. Assuming that the reviewer is not a complete moron (...), this must mean that the encryption software conjures up its own passkeys. Otherwise, he would have memorised/transcribed a password and could just d/l the .exe again, neh?

      I'll stick with GPG, thanks.

    2. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe it's rot-26 encryption. I've heard that the next model will support rot-52, but they're not for export.

    3. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In addition, we found it odd that the software would allow us to encrypt the CruzerLock executable itself. This becomes problematic the next time the drive is inserted. Obviously, the decrypt/encrypt software cannot run if it is encrypted and thus all the encrypted files are rendered useless (unless a local copy of the CruzerLock software is available.) "

    4. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why stop there? I'm about to start selling my encrypting device drivers that obsure everything behind rot-676 encryption, its an order of magnatude more obscure than rot-26, and adds almost no overhead for a mere $4.95

      Better still, it works as an OS shim level, so everything gets the benefit of this encryption, hard drives, RAM, random scraps of paper.

      Now how much would you pay?

    5. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's pretty dumb, cause it only works for text. For binary data they should be using rot-32 or rot-64.

    6. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by TrafficGeek · · Score: 0

      since i use versions of WinNT most of the time i've installed NTFS and EFS on my drive ... it works well.

      does anyone know if linux supports EFS?

    7. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by plover · · Score: 1
      I probed it for a few minutes yesterday afternoon. It uses an ECB (Electronic Code Book) scheme, which is a really naive way to implement encryption.

      They do many things wrong.

      First, it looks like an 8-byte block cypher is used. My first guess is DES, but as I only examined the output files, and didn't actually run their program inside a debugger, I can't tell how they mash the password into the key they feed their algorithm. While an 8 byte block doesn't necessarily mean much security-wise, it indicates they're not using any of the more modern block cyphers in any mode that has a larger block size.

      It looks like they start off using the password to encrypt 24 bytes of NULLs, starting at offset 0x00000028. Why three times? Can't say yet. But that's a handy-dandy crib built right into the format of the file, which is extremely useful for testing password guesses.

      Next, starting at offset 0x00000040, each 8 bytes of the file is encrypted with the password. This is done in an ECB fashion, with no mixing of data from one block into the next, as in CFB or OFB encryption modes. That means that if you have 8 bytes that are repeated further down in the file, you know they mean the same 8 bytes of output as the first time you encountered those 8 bytes. It's a big weakness in that if I ever decode anything at all from you, I can repeat that same decoding on any other encrypted files I've collected from you. It's called a dictionary attack, and any ECB is vulnerable to it (which is why ECBs aren't considered secure.)

      There is also no indication of an Initialization Vector (IV). An IV is usually as simple as encrypting a block of 8 random bytes to "salt" a CFB mechanism, so that even the first block between two otherwise identical encryptions won't fall to a dictionary attack. ECBs don't use this (or if they did they would vary it from file to file, which this scheme doesn't.)

      There's other header and trailer stuff in the file, and I'm assuming that consists of the "orginal file name, original file date" kind of stuff used to restore the file to its original condition. The trailing stuff is probably a checksum of the original file to ensure a successful decoding.

      The user interface is simple enough. And it installs itself to your chip easy enough. But security wise, it's just not there at all. Internally it smells like a very naive and weak DES implementation. I wouldn't trust it with my password, let alone my data.

      --
      John
  11. almost there by nizo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all we need is a small motherboard, lcd display + keyboard + network card, and we have a nice (cheap?) QUIET portable xterminal.

    1. Re:almost there by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a Palm. And yes you can run VNC (just the viewer tho) on a palm.

    2. Re:almost there by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      You mean like a Zaurus? A friend of mine has the SL-C860 -- it's like an ickle solid state Linux laptop! :)

    3. Re:almost there by wang33 · · Score: 1
      You mean like one of these things here
      Seriously I really doubt you could put together any thing that would function as a portable xterminal for under 300$ which is about the street price for one these
      Oh and you hade better add some more to your list there.
      • processor
      • High capacity battery
      • Electrical or Computer Engineering or similar degree to hook all the various bits together


      Wang
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  12. Here's the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    I hate when they put the article on multiple web pages. Even Tom's Hardware allows you direct access to the last page. Anyway, here's the conclusion:

    Conclusion

    When we started this review, we only had an inkling of what we might come up with. By the time we finished, our perception that USB drives were a commodity was completely erased. While every USB Flash drive is essentially the same in that they carry data, they are all slightly different and not every drive will meet everyone's needs.

    Drive summaries

    PNY Attache: As drives go, this one was stylish and sturdy. It comes with a full assortment of accessories, including the USB extension cable and a neck strap. Aside from that, the drive itself is a rather lackluster offering. While much faster than any USB 1.1 device, the read and write speeds are rather slow for Hi-speed USB. The other unfortunate thing about this drive is the lack of extra software outside of the Windows 98 drivers. While it may be possible to find this drive for as little as US$15 to US$20 (after Mail-in-Rebate), it typically goes for US$30+. That is too expensive for such a mediocre drive. --- Score = 5/10

    SanDisk Cruzer Mini: Of all the drives in this review, this drive is the thinnest. Some might even call it sexy, but we would not go that far. Unlike most other drives, it does not block dual-stacked USB ports in the slightest. Other positive things include the excellent LED visibility, good read/write scores, and it even works in unpowered USB hubs. Even the CruzerLock encryption software was solid and pretty easy to use. Some complaints would be the lack of a write-protect switch and that the plastic loop for the lanyard is rather weak. (It's fine for hanging around your neck, but it certainly is not load bearing in the least.) That said, the prices found for the 128, 256, and 512MB models make this a good deal. --- Score = 8/10

    Mushkin Flashkin: We had mixed feelings about this drive. On one hand it offered a full complement of accessories and features, such as the standard neck strap, USB extension cable, write-protect switch, security software and it even worked in unpowered USB hubs. Yet despite this, everything about the drive felt like it was cheaply made and the security software felt like it was coded as an afterthought. The plastic body was very bulky and felt extremely hollow. On top of this, the slow read/write performance was troubling and the one-year warranty made us wonder how long this drive would last. Overall, the drive is not that bad, but what really lowered the score is that the price for the drive is more expensive than most of the other drives (which are notably better equipped.) --- Score = 6/10

    SimpleTech Bonzai Xpress: This drive has the best physical design of the bunch. It is both strong and sturdy, yet still compact and a comfortable to carry. While it does not come with a USB extension, it does have a write-protect switch and some very helpful file synchronization software. What makes this USB drive especially nice is the strong read/write speeds, the solid two-year warranty, and the very nice price (considering how much is included.) --- Score = 9/10

    Fujifilm USB Drive 2.0: Two words: speed demon. Without a doubt, this drive is fast! With top read speeds reaching 8.5MB/sec and write performance that destroyed the competition, this drive is perfect for anybody who is impatient or never seems to have enough time. Unfortunately, this drive has its drawbacks. The drive is the largest of the bunch, has no accessories included, no write-protect switch, no low-power support, and a higher price than most. Fortunately, it does come with decent security software and a lifetime warranty. --- Score = 8/10

    Verbatim Store 'n' Go: In a nutshell, this drive was consistently above average. Never spectacular, but never terrible either. Read/Write performance is definitely strong, but nothing amazing. It comes equipped with neck strap, USB extension

  13. Strapping 1GB around your neck by kyoko21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, for those that are interested in the 'bulk' data, you can pickup a 1GB SanDisk Cruzer Mini for only $162 after an instant rebate...

    http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/m as terid=1956584/search=1gb%20usb

    1. Re:Strapping 1GB around your neck by kyoko21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With the 1GB, you can download the est.fa.gz file which is all the sequences of all human ESTs in Genbank deposited as of 4 Nov, 2003. (Now you can carry your own copy of DNA with you). Only a whopping 958MB.

  14. Quick & Dirty Summary Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Here is a link to summary/comparison matrix for those of you who don't care about the other details.

    Anonymous, 'cause I ain't no karma whore.

  15. How about... by jwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about fixing USB 1.1 support in Linux first?

    USB must be the crappiest kernel subsystem in existence: I can crash 2.4 in a number of ways just by plugging in and removing USB devices. Bug reports are being ignored, sometimes people sugggest moving to 2.6.

    Well, 2.6 freezes dead hard when I plug in my USB audio device.

    USB is the primary reason for the short (several days) uptime on my laptop.

    1. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      SHHHHH! Don't say that.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

    2. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      How about fixing USB 1.1 support in Linux first?

      Agreed. And while they're at it, could they PLEASE fix Microsoft Optical Mice?

    3. Re:How about... by runderwo · · Score: 0
      Praying to Slashdot won't help you. How about posting on the kernel list?

    4. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with Microsoft optical mice? Haven't had any problems with other brands (takes a little bit of /etc/X11/XF86config editing), and they're all the same Korean hardware underneath the labelling...

    5. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      My journal has the full details, but the problem is that it occasionally locks up after a period of use. The scary part is that the problem is well known, but no one has done anything about it. In fact, most people who complain about the problem are silently ignored.

    6. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      You mean, like this post? That was four years ago.

    7. Re:How about... by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 1

      Microsoft Optical Mice are a weird breed of mice. In OS X they require a mouse driver. IT IS A FRICKEN POINTING DEVICE!@!@

    8. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      In OS X they require a mouse driver.

      Really? I've never tried plugging it into my Mac (I've got a tiny, portable optical mouse), but I thought that it worked fine out of the box. At the very least, my MS Optical mouse works fine under FreeBSD. If those guys can get it right, why can't the Linux guys do it?

      *sigh*

    9. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try removing ehci-usb.

      Worked for me on 2.4

    10. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB must be the crappiest kernel subsystem in existence: I can crash 2.4 in a number of ways just by plugging in and removing USB devices.

      That's why Windows has that taskbar icon for turning off removable devices before you unplug them. Trust me, if you just pull out your USB drive on Windows without using that icon, it does the same thing. Maybe Linux needs a similar feature?

    11. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Linux needs a similar feature?

      umount /dev/sda1

    12. Re:How about... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Uh, I've never had to use a mouse driver on MacOS X to use a Microsoft optical mouse. At work I plug a "wheel mouse optical 1.1a" into my iBook all the time and its never done anything other than just work.

    13. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought. Only Linux is lame enough to screw up MS Optical Mice. :-(

    14. Re:How about... by JoeZeppy · · Score: 0, Troll

      But, but, but I thought Linux was perfect in every way!

    15. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this post has nothing to do with hard drives.

      anything with linux in it gets modded up obviously.

    16. Re:How about... by La+Fortezza · · Score: 1

      USB works great on OpenBSD and FreeBSD, in fact it has for several years now.

    17. Re:How about... by Graff · · Score: 1
      Microsoft Optical Mice are a weird breed of mice. In OS X they require a mouse driver.

      The "driver" you are talking about is a System Preferences prefpane which launches an application that enables some extras like different mouse accelerations, extra scroll wheel functionality, re-mapping mouse clicks, and application-specific mouse preferences.

      Pretty much any mouse (or trackpad or track ball or similar pointing devices) with up to 2 buttons and a scroll wheel work fine without any drivers under all flavors of Mac OS X. Even a mouse with more buttons only needs a driver to do some special set-up for the 3rd, 4th, and so on buttons.
    18. Re:How about... by runderwo · · Score: 1
      Dumb question, but have you used this mouse under Windows with the same USB chipset with no problem?

    19. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Dumb question, but have you used this mouse under Windows with the same USB chipset with no problem?

      Windows 2000 and FreeBSD both work fine on the same machine. Thanks for asking though. :-) BTW, there's more info on the problem in my journal.

    20. Re:How about... by runderwo · · Score: 1
      Can you try removing the gpm package (and rebooting if necessary)? This might also require changing the mouse device in the XFree86 configuration to /dev/input/mice or something similar.

      GPM has always given me sporadic problems, and if you're not using the mouse on the Linux console, you don't need it at all. I think most distributions (even GUI-oriented ones) install it by default anyway for some reason.

  16. Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots!

    http://arstechnica.com/reviews/004/flash/RAID0.gif

    GIF really makes that screenshot look bad. The gradent in the window bar was reduced to just two colors and the icons and RAID tab are a dithered mess.

    1. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, thats how it's supposed to look. It's a Mac.

    2. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIF really makes that screenshot look bad. The gradent in the window bar was reduced to just two colors and the icons and RAID tab are a dithered mess.

      The images are meant to inform with a minimum of bandwidth usage. Given the low number of *necessary* colors, the wide areas of uniform color, and the prospect of nasty JPG artifacting on complex, hard-edged images such as dialog box text, GIF is a perfectly workable solution for screen shots.

      Now if by "screenshot" you mean wanking to the sexy title bar gradient as the pretty little icons wink at you, then please disregard the preceeding statement.

    3. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIF really makes that screenshot look bad. The gradent in the window bar was reduced to just two colors and the icons and RAID tab are a dithered mess.

      No, the problem is that they were using a flashy desktop scheme instead of simplifying it first. And since this is a Mac GUI, I'm not sure that they really had any good alternatives (such as a low-color or greyscale scheme).

      And JPEG artifacting would've made the text difficult to read. I'm too lazy to drag the image into PSP7 to find out whether they used a 256 color scheme or were trying to compress into a 16 color GIF.

    4. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by green+pizza · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is that they were using a flashy desktop scheme instead of simplifying it first. And since this is a Mac GUI, I'm not sure that they really had any good alternatives (such as a low-color or greyscale scheme).

      I think there's a monochrome "haxie" on the web somewhere, but no such low color scheme available from Apple.

      There is, however, a monochome theme built in to OS X, in the Appearance control panel there's a choice of either Aqua or "Graphite" (grayscale) for the widgets. I personally use graphite, the bright blue is pretty nasty.

    5. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by green+pizza · · Score: 1

      Thou shalt not use a pair of HTML tags without using Preview first!!!!

    6. Re:Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing they didn't use JPG. If they had, they might of wound up with ass nuggets around their text.

  17. Mac OS X 10.3.4 by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if Mac OS X 10.3.4 has better USB drive performance? I see that the release notes mention USB fixes/changes since 10.3.3, but it is not much more specific than that.

    1. Re:Mac OS X 10.3.4 by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      Since the 10.3.4 upgrade my mouse and keyboard have stopped hanging after my Mac wakes up, so that's one thing Apple seems to have fixed.

  18. Where's the MUVO TX? by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 0

    Anyone tried the MUVO TX from Creative? It's a USB 2.0 drive of the same type, but it has built in MP3 and voice recording and a cool AAA Battery carrying case for like $40 more than some of othe models Ars reviewed.

    I have NOT tried it, by the way; just seen the marketing, but I'm thinking of buying one... I'd rather have something that is more than just an elaborate drive, and the MUVOs seem to fit the bill.

    I was distressed that Ars ignored it in their review, but perhaps they didn't want to have to consider the extra functionality in their comparison?

    1. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by Ann+Elk · · Score: 2, Informative

      FWIW: I have a MUVO NX (128MB, USB 1.1) and it rocks! The sound quality is great, I get at least 20 hours of play time on a single rechargable AAA battery, it's small, and durable. My only complaint is the headphones seem to be designed to tangle their wires as quickly as possible.

      The MUVO TX was announced about a week after I bought my NX. Such is life with technology. Grrr....

    2. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by Deffexor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, we didn't ignore it. The article was focused strictly on Hi-speed USB 2.0 Flash drives. I don't know if you're aware of how many USB devices there are on the market, but there are a ton. If we had included the Muvo TX, then we would have had to include like a hundred other devices.

      Anyway, we are planning a follow-up article which will feature more exotic USB devices such as the one you mentioned.

      Cheers!

    3. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

      The only reason I single out the MUVO TX, tho, is that it is a high-speed USB 2.0 Flash Drive, with almost exactly the same form factor as the models you did review. I know it's hard to draw the line on these reviews; I don't envy you the task, but I doubt there are many multi-function devices that are USB 2.0 and keychain-sized (yet!).

      I'll look forward to the next article, tho.

    4. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by brakk · · Score: 1

      I considered getting a USBdrive/mp3 player when I was in the market for mine. I thought about it like this:

      For the price I wanted to spend I could only get a 128m usb/mp3 or 256m usb. At 128m, the mp3 player wouldn't hold enough music to be usefull and I would probably stop using it for an mp3 player after the new wore off. Then I would be stuck with a smaller USB drive because of a feature I didn't use anymore.

      I decided to go with the Sandisk cruzer mini 256m and will eventually buy an mp3 player to use for music.

    5. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by mp3phish · · Score: 1

      You should check out Lexar JumpDrive Sport and Sandisk Cruzer Micro...

      These both are very good quality USB drives and at the same time work like the MUVO by plugging into a MP3 player device (AAA batteries required for the MP3 companion)

      They are very good priced and small profile make them very good buys.. (Better than Muvo usb drives IMO)

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      Your ignorance is infinitely greater than you realize.
    6. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, the Ars Technica guy(s) read ./ AND respond to the comments!

      You guys rock!

  19. DMCA this, DMCA that... by alexo · · Score: 1

    > Do you dare probe further to figure out what it's doing?
    > Certainly not; you could well violate the DMCA.


    Exactly what copyrighted content does this encryotion protect?

    1. Re:DMCA this, DMCA that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whatever work is stored on the disk?

      I think the DMCA was used against someone who produced a tool to break adobe's encryption on a generic text format that used rot13

    2. Re:DMCA this, DMCA that... by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      ...exactly. The point is that's your own data you put there, so you're allowed to crack the encryption. It would only break the DMCA if its some sort of application that came pre-installed.

      The adobe case you're mentioning was a tool that some stupid company sold to encrypt *other people's* data; i.e. it was a copyright holder who wasn't the person cracking the format. If you had licensed the lousy product, you could crack your own data without breaking the DMCA. ... although the final extents of the dmca hasn't been fully tested in court yet.

  20. Fuji flash drive by chiph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a 256mb Fuji for 18 months now, and a 8mb DiskOnKey for 2 years before that (the Fuji is a re-branded DiskOnKey drive). The complaints from Ars Technica are only valid if you keep your flash drive on a lanyard. As I can't stand anything hanging off my neck (too much like a tie!), I keep mine clipped to my keyring. I've never had it come unclipped, nor have I lost the drive part (the clip is on the cover, not the drive itself). In fact, having the clip on the cover is very useful, as I can leave it connected to my keyring while the drive is in use.

    I'm surprised the review didn't cover performance under GnuPG and PGP -- I keep my keyrings on it, as well as my Quicken backups. Plus tons of room left for mp3s to listen while at work. The SiSoft benchmarks are nice, but I'd like to know how slow/fast they are relative to an IDE drive.

    Chip H.

    1. Re:Fuji flash drive by Quixote · · Score: 1
      I keep mine clipped to my keyring. ..... I keep my keyrings on it, ...

      Argh! The recursion is killing me!

    2. Re:Fuji flash drive by ericspinder · · Score: 2, Informative

      I keep my flash drive on my keychain, but the loop is on the drive, and for a while it didn't seem like a good idea. Then I thought of using a keychain separator (I found this after a quick seach to show what they look like, you can find one at home depot). Now it works great and I don't have to worry about loosing everything but the cap.

      --
      The grass is only greener, if you don't take care of your own lawn.
  21. Despite appearances, I am not a shill. by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I'm wondering if they reviewed anything that was inside of this little beastie.

    And if what some of the above posters have put up about washer/dryer incidents is true, you can STILL take it into the bath with you!

    1. Re:Despite appearances, I am not a shill. by rsadelle · · Score: 1

      Now if only they could combine this with the duckie vibe then we'd have the ultimate accessory for the female geek.

  22. Look closely by Lord+Zerrr · · Score: 1, Informative



    mushkin-inside

    you can see a dirty fingerprint on the chip

    --
    "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." -Albert Einstein
    Karma? There's a serial modder out there.
  23. Re:unique doesn't take a modifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it could take some adverbs though...

    your post was surprisingly unique

    mine is insterestingly unique

    there was one yesterday that was uniquely unique

    agreed....no DEGREES of uniqueness, but if you're going to be a language pick, let's tell the whole story

  24. My experience by DroppedAtBirth · · Score: 1

    I have a Iomega USB 1.1 256mb Secure Drive. I love it and wouldn't change a thing about it, plus I got if for 45 bucks.

    --
    Rob
  25. I hate neck strap that is connected to the cap/lid by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the cap/lid comes off, there goes your USB Flash HDD! SanDisk and others are smart to put on the Flash drive, not the cap/lid! My 512 GB PNY brand (not the same one in the article) has it on the cap! I don't bother to wear it on my neck anymore since I can lose it easily.

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  26. Can you dual boot a bootable USB drive? by DroppedAtBirth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you dual boot a bootable USB drive? Sounds like a fun way to waste a few hours....

    --
    Rob
    1. Re:Can you dual boot a bootable USB drive? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Yep.

      There is instructions at PNY's website with their USB 2.0 flashdrive.

      I personally have never done it since I can't do squat with 256 megs

  27. Bug me not to the rescue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bugmenot.com/

  28. Solid State Raid by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    Now there sounds like the most expensive storage device other than carving into pure gold. Actually, solid state RAID may be more expensive.

    1. Re:Solid State Raid by JawzX · · Score: 1

      Actualy, This is the most expensive storage device ever...*grin*

    2. Re:Solid State Raid by JawzX · · Score: 1

      I amend my previous post by pointing to this. Hot damn!

  29. Re:I won't register by snoochyboochy · · Score: 1

    ummmm... this is ars... not then NYT... No reg required. Move along... move along...

  30. Win95 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From the article:
    Windows 95 does not appear to have support


    Wasn't 98 the first version of windows that supported USB in general? That might be why 95 "does not appear to have support."
    1. Re:Win95 by Halvard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, Win95 OEM SR2 was the first to support USB without third party support. It's commonly called Win95B.

    2. Re:Win95 by default+luser · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, you're thinking of OSR 2.5 that comes with USB and AGP support.

      Win95b (OSR 2.0) only added FAT32 and other minor improvements. It does not support USB without a patch.

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    3. Re:Win95 by Halvard · · Score: 1

      OSR 2.1 had USB support. It also reported as Win95B. OSR 2.5 reported as Win95C. I worked in distribution. I also have OSR 2.0, 2.1 and 2.5 CDs.

  31. "Very Unique" by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Something is either unique or it isn't. Saying "Very Unique" is like saying "very one of a kind."

    You'd think this place was run by /. editors or sumptin.

    1. Re:"Very Unique" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between common usage English and precise technical usages...

      E.g. the statement "All that glitters is not gold" is logically false (does gold glitter? Yes. But then it must be "not gold" according to the assertion...). The statement should, strictly speaking, be "Some that glitters is not gold". However, everyone understands the meaning of the first statement, and so we let it be unless we are in a situation that requires very unique one of a kind precise language.

    2. Re:"Very Unique" by linzeal · · Score: 0

      Actually no, there is one case where this can be used philosophically. In the case of creationists they refer to a god, gaia, or what have you that is unknowable and unique. However, there are many things in the world that are unique and they are all knowable so a god would be "uniquely unique". Which I find as a disreputable method of bringing a god about out of the hat and back again in it (so to speak), but what oo I know as a mere mortal?

  32. Cruzer Titanium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe they did not consider the Cruzer Titanium by Sandisk. Yes it is expensive, but it is really fast. My own unscientific tests have it outperforming the iomega drive by a wide margin.

    1. Re:Cruzer Titanium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree! I love my cruzer titanium. It is so fast! It'll smoke most of the drives in that roundup.

  33. Kanguru skipped? by soboroff · · Score: 1


    It's a shame they didn't review Kanguru's MicroDrive+. I don't know about speed, but it includes a SD slot (or CF slot on another model), so it doubles as a USB SD card reader.

    1. Re:Kanguru skipped? by Deffexor · · Score: 4, Informative

      We didn't review it for a few reasons.
      1) We wanted to focus on USB 2.0 Hi-speed devices (the link you have is for the slower "full speed" - a.k.a USB 1.1)
      2) We wanted embedded memory drives only. Upgradable models would have made the article more confusing.

      But don't worry, we have a follow-up article in the works that will feature more exotic devices.

    2. Re:Kanguru skipped? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has lasted for over a year of daily use.

      http://kanguru.com/usb2microdrive.html

    3. Re:Kanguru skipped? by FreeHeel · · Score: 1

      What about the Iomega micro-mini?
      The Iomega web site says that it is USB 2, and it is really small, which I like. The rotating cap is cool too. Needs a write-protect switch, though...

    4. Re:Kanguru skipped? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you're reviewing Sandisk's Cruzer Titanium. It looks awesome and boasts a 15MB/s read, 13MB/s write transfer rate.

  34. Sort of like "less optimal" by Theatetus · · Score: 1

    The other misuse of "unique" that gets to me is how it's used as praise, as if simply being "unique" (or, more often, "one of the most unique...") were a good thing in itself.

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  35. Does write protect work with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed that some of these flash drives have "write protect". However, I noticed that some manufacturers claim that Linux cannot use the write protect functionality:

    " When you put the write-protect switch to "ON" position, you cannot write any file or data into the device. You still can view and read the files and data in the device. You can switch the "Write-Protect" switch even you do not disconnect the device. Due to Linux OS limitation, the write-protect switch will not work on-line."

    Flash drive manual

    But I see in status messages when people plug in the flash drives that it says "write protect is off".

    Does anyone have experience with these products in Linux and whether write protect works with the flash drive connected?

    1. Re:Does write protect work with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      They probably don't know about mount -o ro,remount.

    2. Re:Does write protect work with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Write protect works under Linux is the sense that the OS can't bypass the hardware protection.

      However, you'll still need to mount the filesystem read-only. I know with ext2 filesystems (which is what I've got on mine), it tries to write to the superblock upon every mount.

  36. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay, troll. I normally don't read down at these depths, but since I had mod points which I'm now not going to use in this thread...

    Riddle me this, asswipe. I have a hard drive in a computer. Let's say it's running Linux. Let's say I get another hard drive and I want to make it RAID 1 (mirrored) with the first drive. It's a 30 second operation in OS X, a 30 second operation in NT, a 60 second option in Win2k (gotta make it dynamic first).

    How long will this operation take in Linux? Yes, you can use all three mouse buttons, and no, I don't have a backup....

  37. pqi by austad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish they had tested the PQI Intelligent Stick. It's the smallest drive around and looks pretty sweet. Pricing isn't bad either if you look on Froogle.

    I guess I could always pick one up and return it if it sucks. But really, how much could it possibly suck as long as it works? I can't imagine I'm going to get horrible transfer speeds with it.

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    1. Re:pqi by mclove · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have two, they seem quite fast (significantly faster than my Lexar JumpDrive 2.0 anyway, though this is very unscientific) and have been very reliable so far. Plus you can get a little USB drive holder for them that gives you a belt clip and a more standard USB connector (though I haven't encountered a computer yet that won't work with the built-in one) - even in the holder they're still smaller than most other USB drives.


      The one problem I've found is that they can be kind of difficult to carry around safely - you'd think that the small size would be an advantage, but without any good way to put them on a keychain it's really not. And they're sufficiently thin (and the plastic casing sufficiently weak) that I'd be a little worried about carrying them around without a sturdy plastic case, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of having a drive that small. Oh, and they're very very easy to lose.


      Still, if you're willing to treat them like you'd treat SD cards or other such devices, they can be a great way to carry around a lot of data in a really tiny package. It's just that for everyday tasks of backing up and shuttling data around you might be better off with something larger and more durable.

    2. Re:pqi by Mhtsos · · Score: 1

      I saw the intelligent stick about a year and a half back and thought it would be better known and more widespread by now. The concept of a flash storage card with an interface already existing in PCs was a stroke of genious (though that's kind of what was tried with the compactflash, its interface being a downsised PCMCIA bus). Yet the company is a small one and thus I have yet to see a portable device supporting them. It is a pity, a portable device supporting this thing, or better yet any off the shelf FAT formatted USB disk would have a huge advantage in versatility over anything that exists today.
      I know flash readers are dirt cheap but you still have to drag one around. Imagine being on vacation and unloading your digital camera in an internet cafe, or loading your PDA with a file you want in a friend's house.

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  38. Size? by genka · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This review failed to test one practical side effect of a physical size: when a given device is plugged in a one of stacked USB ports, is the other one still accessable?

    1. Re:Size? by stevel · · Score: 2

      Um, yes, the article did mention the impact of size on stacked ports. Several times in fact.

    2. Re:Size? by acroyear · · Score: 1

      in particular, it praised the slimness of the sandisk cruzer for not "getting in the way" of other devices.

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  39. Style.. (slightly OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I actually got in to discussion today about people wearing usb sticks in a neck strap.

    Seems like there would be a considerable market niche for stylish sticks. None of the drives I've seen look ugly but it would be nice to see some real variety. Something little bit more unique.


    So does anyone make something "special"..?

    1. Re:Style.. (slightly OT) by rsadelle · · Score: 1

      That would be the obvious marketing technique. The nonprofit I work at received a donated Verbatim in that neat transparent red, and I just assumed it came in other colors. I was quite surprised to find out that's the only color. I think I've seen a few online that came in multiple colors, but they weren't brands I'd ever heard of.

      My best guess is that these are still too techie-only for companies to think it's worth marketing them to Average Jane/Joe User.

    2. Re:Style.. (slightly OT) by Mhtsos · · Score: 1

      Check out pretec's tiny drives. Full marks for style and small enough for a keychain.

  40. Re:Stop with the focking Mac zeaotry by NSash · · Score: 1

    Could you please explain the point you're making to someone who isn't familiar with the intricacies of Linux?

  41. Re:I hate neck strap that is connected to the cap/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Have you ever picked one of these up? I have the Kingston version (Same as Fuji packaging) and the cap is fine, the drive isn't coming off unless you swing it by hand really hard at the end of a neck strap.

  42. Reliablity? by jaylee7877 · · Score: 1

    Our IT Dept. is cramming these things down user's throats as the ultimate floppy replacement. I've had one friend though who's usb drive went completely dead, no power, no chance at all of recovery, any body else want to comment on issues of reliablity with these things? Obviously, users should be storing their files elsewhere as a backup but these are the geniouses that save a semester worth of papers to an old floppy and store it in their book bag underneath their 7 lb. math book and the sand from the beach last summer...

    1. Re:Reliablity? by SquadBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a floppy replacement they are great. I've had mine since the middle of Janurary. My kids have gotten ahold of it a few times and it has survived that I used to carry it in my pocket now I just carry it in my bag it seens to work fine. But here is the thing that you mentioned that is just what it is a a floppy/burning less than 256 meg to a cd replacement. For example I use mine to carry music between work and home. I use it to grab config files off of machines that are on another network/domain. I use it for putting VPN clients on lusers machines that aren't on the network. In short I use it for temporary storage and transfer where doing it that way is faster/easier than doing it over the network. Sometimes I do it just to impress chicks. :) But I would never use it for long term storage of anything I care about and don't have in another spot, they just aren't designed for that. But then again back in the day I know plenty of folks who would do just that with floppies.

      Wish I could get work to buy me another one. :) Count your blessings.

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    2. Re:Reliablity? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      I think it's a *lot* easier to kill a floppy than it is to kill a flash drive, and structural integrity is a big pard of it. It's not hard to bend and destroy a floppy... have you ever tried the same with a flash drive? Those things are *stiff*.

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    3. Re:Reliablity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My little 16Mb Cyclone went through the washing machine and dryer. It still works perfectly. www.cdcyclone.com

    4. Re:Reliablity? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      The PNY that I have has a neck chain and string so you dont have to put it in your bookback.

      I despise floppies and consider them unreliable.

      I have mine tied to my keychain. I just take out my car keys and plug it into any computer at my college and home to keep all my research data and programing projects.

      Whats great about them is that they hold sooo much more data than a floppy. several hundred to a thousand times actually.

      Instead of saving only .cpp files to the disk, I can use visual studio whole projects including the .exe's and .cpp's! Nice.

      I also save graphs and pics for my biology research papers since I am minoring in that subject. Very nice and I dont have to get my butt to the library to print each document on Nexus or academia-elite. Just save them to the flash drive and they are always with me.

      Hell I even have mp3's on mine! I bring a pair of headphones plug the sucker in and listen to music as I work.

      Try that with a floppy drive.

      Its not size but convience like high speed internet access. Its just always there and available when you need it.

    5. Re:Reliablity? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Oh and yes they are more reliable in general because they lack moving parts.

      Keep in mind they do need to be recharged every month or so by plugging them in.

      Its the battery that dictates the quality. PNY's are fairly good unlike what this article says. They are expensive but they last longer in my opinion.

      Just beware I have only marginally got it to work under FreeBSD5.2.1 and no luck yet in Linux as its a USB 2.0 rather than a USb 1.1 drive.

      But seriously your lucky your floppy survived. I live in Las Vegas where it gets over 100+ degree's outside and floppies do not like my trunk during the summer. :-)

      Get a USB hub and you can just a plug right next to your computer to plug it in to recharge or upload data.

  43. Like to see a roundup of multi devices (mp3 voice) by Sark666 · · Score: 1

    I've seen a couple that have mp3 playback and voice recording abilities.

    Anyone have suggestions on such devices? Or maybe a roundup of multifunction usb pen drives would be nice.

  44. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Riddle me this, asswipe. I have a hard drive in a computer. Let's say it's running Linux. Let's say I get another hard drive and I want to make it RAID 1 (mirrored) with the first drive. It's a 30 second operation in OS X, a 30 second operation in NT, a 60 second option in Win2k (gotta make it dynamic first).

    How long will this operation take in Linux? Yes, you can use all three mouse buttons, and no, I don't have a backup....


    Not that I'm supporting the troll, nor am I disagreeing with you per se. However, I don't know how to do that in any of those OSes, so it would sure take me a lot longer than thirty seconds in any of them.

  45. Java on a USB Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't have 1.4.1 on a couple of machines, so I installed it on the USB drive. Now, I run my applications off of the USB drive. Take it anywhere and it runs.

  46. Knoppix media alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about selling something like Knoppix on a USB drive? It'd boot faster, fit in your pocket, not need a CDROM drive, allow for customization by being re-writable, and you could keep some of your data files on it. Even better, if you eventually decide that you don't want to use Knoppix, you get a handy USB drive...

    1. Re:Knoppix media alternative? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Is booting from USB a common feature in new computers these days?

  47. Plug it in, down it goes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note this understated bit in the article:

    When plugging in the second drive to form the RAID array, the OS X very politely kernel panics with the Multi-Language Screen Of Death (MLSOD) declaring that you need to power off your machine.

  48. Re:I hate neck strap that is connected to the cap/ by AEton · · Score: 1

    My 512 GB PNY brand (not the same one in the article) has it on the cap!

    Yeah, that does sound pretty awful. I'd be willing to take that useless 512GB drive off your hands for, say, price of shipping?

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  49. DOH! I meant MB! by antdude · · Score: 1

    DOH! I meant MB, not GB. LOL! I wished I had 512 GB!. :)

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  50. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by jcostantino · · Score: 1
    Meh... quite easy actually.

    In OSX:

    Open Disk Utility, Click first drive conroller, Click "RAID" button, Drag first HD icon to box, drag second and etc drives to box. Choose RAID flavor and format, click Create. Voila!

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  51. Re:Like to see a roundup of multi devices (mp3 voi by Fragmented_Datagram · · Score: 2, Informative

    I love my MuVo. It's small and works great with Linux. You can store any file on it, but only MP3 or WMA files show up in the song list. The MuVo NX and the MuVo TX look good too if you need more storage capacity.

  52. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by g1zmo · · Score: 1

    Depends.

    If you're using hardware RAID or pseudo-hardware RAID (i.e. Promise FastTrack), then it should just be a matter of entering into the RAID controller's setup utility during bootup and tell it to add the second drive into the RAID array and it's seamless.

    I'm not familiar enough with Linux's LVM or other software-RAID to know how to do it that way, but I'm sure there are utilities that allow you add disks to unmounted RAID arrays fairly easily. Let me search Google.....

    ....OK, I'm back (that was pretty quick). Here's exactly what you're looking for.

    QED

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  53. The article misses a key point - real size by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've played around with a number of different USB1.1 and USB 2.0 flash drives, and one thing that I was looking for when I read this article (yea, I read it) was the real size of the different devices. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to have been covered.

    You would think that if it's a 256meg drive then you would know the size, 256 megs, right? But marketing has struck again, I've found that 32 meg drivs I have actually seem to have about 30 megs of space on them, and vary by drive. A 64 meg device is also short several megs (as are some flash cards I have). I would have found it really handy if the reviewer had bothered to tell us how much space each of these devices really delivers.

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    1. Re:The article misses a key point - real size by CajunArson · · Score: 1

      That would be do to the fact that the filesystem (usually FAT/16 maybe FAT/32 on larger devices) has overhead. I reformatted a 256MB keychain to use EXT2 and a whopping 32 megs are eaten just by the filesystem data structures. As the size of these things goes up, 32 MB on a large > 4GB device will be much less of a problem.

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    2. Re:The article misses a key point - real size by acd294 · · Score: 1

      Well for reference, I have a 128mb PNY flash drive.

      And after formatting, I have 123mb of space. Works great by the way (but not off of my keyboard hub, not enough power).

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  54. Jaz Raid! by Foxxz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I built a RAID5 array from jaz drives! It was the only way to get ANY reliability out of them! :D

    -Foxxz

  55. Could be worse by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    My favorite is the mind numbingly stupid expression "instant classic" that is constantly tossed about by the movie industry. They actually managed to make it worse by turning it into "soon to be an instant classic."

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  56. Moderation twits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was this modded overrated and redundant? It is useful for people who don't want to thumb through all of the pages. As the parent noted, Ars Technica should put a frigg'n index on the article so you can bounce around between pages.

  57. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    Depends.

    If you're using hardware RAID or pseudo-hardware RAID (i.e. Promise FastTrack), then it should just be a matter of entering into the RAID controller's setup utility during bootup and tell it to add the second drive into the RAID array and it's seamless.

    I'm not familiar enough with Linux's LVM or other software-RAID to know how to do it that way, but I'm sure there are utilities that allow you add disks to unmounted RAID arrays fairly easily. Let me search Google.....

    ....OK, I'm back (that was pretty quick). Here's [unthought.net] exactly what you're looking for.


    No, it's not. That presupposes you already have a RAID set up. And first poster, there's no hardware RAID controller (sorry, I implied that, but didn't say that).

  58. What about the Devil Duckie Drive??? by Lispy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    After reading through the article not, I realized that all those drives are no match for the USB Devil Duckie Drive.

  59. Hey that's like fast food fries sizing.. by romanval · · Score: 1

    It used to be you'd go to McDonalds and order small, medium & large fries... but ever since they made "super-size" fries, they just dropped 'small' fries and switched all the names around (so they can say that every combo meal comes with a serving of 'medium' fries).

    Ain't marketing wonderful?

    1. Re:Hey that's like fast food fries sizing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the small fry is that paper bag serving you get in a happy meal.

  60. Should have both options. by jubei · · Score: 1

    It would be nice if they had attachment points on both the unit and the cap, so that the user can choose how to wear it.

    With a stiff enough cap (or one that locked on), I can see attaching the strap to the cap.

    1. Re:Should have both options. by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if they had attachment points on both the unit and the cap, so that the user can choose how to wear it.

      With a stiff enough cap (or one that locked on), I can see attaching the strap to the cap.

      Consider your wishes granted. I'm sure there are marketing miscreants (no offense) poring over this discussion looking for ideas. Considering these drives are blooming like dandelions, I'll bet we see your new features offerred within two months.

  61. That's a good idea... by sczimme · · Score: 1


    But it would have to be small enough that it could be placed atop one's lap. Whatever could we call such a thing...

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  62. "Redundant" does not refer to the data by DrShasta · · Score: 1

    Data redundancy is possible with most forms of RAID, but the "Redundant" part of the acronym is referring to the fact that there are multiple disks of the same size. Redundant array of (usually) inexpensive disks.

  63. Encryption? by cgreuter · · Score: 1

    What I want to know is where the encryption actually happens. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's all done on the PC side with the included software. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

    1. Re:Encryption? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Go to thinkgeek.com. THey have an expensive one with encryption done in hardware.

      But yes for the most part its done in software. Its not important to me so I dont care.

  64. That's so cool I can't express it in words. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1
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  65. man raidtab by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    vi /etc/raidtab
    (add a few lines to define disks and policy... maybe copy and paste)
    mkraid /dev/md0
    raidstart /dev/md0

    I'd say 3 minutes if you already knew what you wanted to do. (!)

    Or use YaST or something. And Solaris is no easier. I don't really understand the point...

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    1. Re:man raidtab by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      vi /etc/raidtab
      (add a few lines to define disks and policy... maybe copy and paste)
      mkraid /dev/md0
      raidstart /dev/md0

      I'd say 3 minutes if you already knew what you wanted to do. (!)

      Or use YaST or something. And Solaris is no easier. I don't really understand the point...


      You're going to do that to your one drive you don't have a backup of?

      mkraid sets up a set of block devices into a single RAID array. It
      looks in its configuration file for the md devices mentioned on the
      command line, and initializes those arrays. mkraid works for all types
      of RAID arrays (RAID1, RAID4, RAID5, LINEAR and RAID0).

      Note that initializing RAID devices destroys all of the data on the
      consituent devices.


      The point is, Linux is the only OS out of the 4 I cited where you have to destroy your source volume in order to mirror it (I just had this flash of the Vietnam-era "we had to destroy this village in order to save it").
      The dickhead troll who was so busy jerking off over his two extra mouse buttons while saying "everyone supports RAID, d00d" I'm sure didn't realize that all RAID implementations aren't created equal, and that sometimes there just is some substance behind the "eye candy."

  66. Your pedanticism nets you nothing by Crag · · Score: 2

    Every object in the universe is unique, for if two objects were identical in every way, they would be the same object. Furthermore, no objects are unique because they all have something in common with every other object: they are all unique.

    Degrees of uniqueness exist because there are different contexts for evaluating an object's differences from its peers. Every evaluation has a context within which it has more than two degrees.

    If one in a billion oranges looks like Elvis, that's pretty unique. If one in a billion of those Elvis-shaped oranges is a life-sized bust of The King, that's an extremely unique orange. The uniqueness of the non-bust Elvis oranges is not undermined by discovering another instance because within the context of people's knowledge of oranges, two Elvis oranges would be rare enough as to be unique from an individual's point of view.

    Absolute uniqueness is only a useful concept in abstract contexts like math and philosophy. In the real world we use the word loosely within implicit or explicit contexts which give the seemingly redundant expression 'very unique' a meaning which is different from other degrees of uniqueness.

    People who fall into this trap often also argue that

    * Black is not a color (it is not a hue, but it is a color)
    * Zero is not a number (it is not a counting number, but it is a number)
    * A logical statement must either be true, false, or a paradox (it depends on what you mean by 'logical', 'statement', 'true', etc.)

    So yes, something can be 'very unique', or only 'slightly unique'.

  67. Learn some quantum physics. by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    Bosons are symmetric with respect to exchange. Fermions are not.

  68. Lifetime of MRAM by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 1

    How long does MRAM last compared to standard flash memories? Is it suitable for, say, a swap file, or will it die after a couple hundred thousand writes?

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  69. 1-inch hard drive instead of flash by sahonen · · Score: 1

    I have a USB drive that is actually a 1-inch hard drive, NOT flash. Because magnetic is cheaper than flash, I managed to get a 1.5 GB drive for $170, a price range unheard of for flash.

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  70. Suggested new USB speed names. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 2, Funny
    Full speed, was the "full speed" of the older spec, but now we have hi-speed thanks to the 2.0 spec. So for USB 3.0 we'll have "super speed" (or whatever they call it

    Personally, I think they should all be renamed to the following:
    • Double Speed
    • Multi Speed
    • Mega Speed
    • Ultra Speed
    • Monster Speed
    • Lu-Lu-Lu-Ludicrous Speed, and finally...
    • HOLY SH*T SPEED

  71. Not true. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    You can, but it's not as simple unless you already have the partitions as part of a LVM group. You'd have the same issue in Win98: there's no "room" to add a RAID identifier on the disk what with the small partition table and filesystems right after it. You need to scoot the filesystems down to make room for a RAID identifier area. Windows handles that tricky step in 2000 and above if you are booting NTFS (NOT FAT32) off a basic disc, converting it to dynamic on the fly.

    Linux can't do that with the standard tools, you need to apply them intelligently.

    First, you need to boot off a floppy (or go into single user mode and remount everything R/O). Essentially you have to make a copy of your current disk to the other one (how doesn't matter, although partitioning and recursive copy is usually faster than block by block, but either is fine). You need to mark it as a RAID member first, though. Then you edit your raid config file like you would normally. BUT! Mark the first disk as dirty in the config file. Now, unmount all the filesystems from the old disk, and turn on the array. The second, "clean" HD which is slightly modified for mirroring, gets mirrored back automagically to the first disk. When it's done, you can reboot, and you're running full mirrored mode.

    The tools don't actually destroy the data. What they _don't_ do is attempt to move and resize your mounted filesystems from underneath you (!!!).

    OSX may have provisions in the filesystem and/or partition table areas to mark a partition as being part of a RAID mirror without needing to do more complex stuff, so a online RAID-1 mirror is possible.

    You can do this now in Linux if you start off with LVM, but taking older, simpler partitioned disks and filesystems is harder to bootstrap.

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  72. No Lexar? by PhiltheeG · · Score: 1

    I've used a Lexar jumpdrive 128MB and now have a USB2.0 Lexar jumpdrive pro. I see these all the time for reasonable prices usually after rebate from Staples or such. I've never had problems with either.

    It would be interesting to see reliability factored into the final rating. I had a cigar drive before that (can't remember who made it) and it was cheap plastic, broke (but still works). The Lexar plastics seem to be a little better but probably shouldn't stay jammed into someones jeans. The new one has a rubber cap and seems pretty solid.

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  73. You're proving my case by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    You can, but it's not as simple unless you already have the partitions as part of a LVM group. You'd have the same issue in Win98: there's no "room" to add a RAID identifier on the disk what with the small partition table and filesystems right after it. You need to scoot the filesystems down to make room for a RAID identifier area. Windows handles that tricky step in 2000 and above if you are booting NTFS (NOT FAT32) off a basic disc, converting it to dynamic on the fly.

    Linux can't do that with the standard tools, you need to apply them intelligently.

    First, you need to boot off a floppy (or go into single user mode and remount everything R/O). Essentially you have to make a copy of your current disk to the other one (how doesn't matter, although partitioning and recursive copy is usually faster than block by block, but either is fine). You need to mark it as a RAID member first, though. Then you edit your raid config file like you would normally. BUT! Mark the first disk as dirty in the config file. Now, unmount all the filesystems from the old disk, and turn on the array. The second, "clean" HD which is slightly modified for mirroring, gets mirrored back automagically to the first disk. When it's done, you can reboot, and you're running full mirrored mode.


    I'll trust you on that horrid procedure (it sounds good, though*), but you're still a far cry away from mere seconds for the other examples. Plus, it takes even more time to dig up the raid tools, etc, (I know when I set up mine on MDK 9.2 I had to dig around for them), google for the proper format for the raidtab and so on and so forth.

    1. Re:You're proving my case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://evms.sourceforge.net/

      You mean your distribution let to use lvm or not? Shame on them for giving you a choice.

      They don't include evms either? Sucks to be you.

      I'll admit, you have to do most of this with your filesystems umounted. That's why it should be included with your distributions rescue CD.

  74. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by sb · · Score: 1

    You can create the mirror with one drive "missing".

    Basically, you set things up so that Linux can boot from a raid device, copy everything to the second drive, reboot off the raid, add the first drive to the array, and watch the blinkenlights as the mirror is constructed.

    There's a small how-to on this here.

  75. Victorinox, now truely a geek tool by val1s · · Score: 2, Informative

    The official Swiss Army Knife company has come out with a USB flash drive enabled Knife. If I didnt already own a SanDisk this would be the one I'd get. They seem to be decently priced for Victorinox at $70 for 64 megs. http://www.victorinox.com/newsite/en/news/news_swi ssmemory.htm -val1s

  76. USB drives with auto-run on insertion capability? by Mandrel · · Score: 1

    Can anyone recommend a USB flash drive that is able to auto-run a program, just like a CD?

  77. Re:USB drives with auto-run on insertion capabilit by Galaxie · · Score: 1

    If it's treated the same as a drive, you could just create an autorun.inf file in the root of the drive.

    see: http://www.ashzfall.com/products/autorun/ or you can create them by hand very easily
    ie.
    [AutoRun]
    open=CD-Start.exe
    icon=CD -Icon.ico

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    <end/>
  78. Why no Firewire flash drives? by mrklin · · Score: 1

    Firewire technology (FW400 & FW8000) is much superior to USB2 in my opinion yet there is a dearth of FW peripherals i.e FW flash drives, FW multi-flash readers, digital cameras (photographic) with FW interface, etc. Is it just cost?

    1. Re:Why no Firewire flash drives? by emorphien · · Score: 1

      There's no death IMO. Firewire comes on many of the higher end DSLRs, and its a big thing for video cameras and some memory card readers (although you usually pay a premium for firewire which I don't find necessary).

      Sure USB may tax the processor more in accessing, but for these devices it isn't an issue largely. USB is also far far more common than firewire, so if you want to guarantee compatability, use USB. Some laptops have those midget 6 pin firewire ports, and older computers are more likely to have a USB than Firewire port.

      So, in a sense it's cost. The market for the firewire devices isn't as big, and it is apparently not worth it to many manufacturers to offer the option. I haven't looked lately, but it used to be that when you could buy a USB 2.0 card reader for $20, what major advantage is there for the firewire model that's >$30? Not much really.

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    2. Re:Why no Firewire flash drives? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I use my usb drive because I take college courses at 2 campuses and use a research public library at a university and then do homework at home.

      USB ports are included in all the computers and are almost always on the front of the cases.

      Its about portability an dnot storege so a FW drive would serve no purpose for me unless FW was as standard.

      ALso you dont need high speed access of FW unless your a photographer. Its a niche market and the drive makers want consumers to be happy and use their data anywhere.

  79. Re:USB drives with auto-run on insertion capabilit by Mandrel · · Score: 1
    I tried a normal autorun.inf file, and it didn't work.

    Apparently some extra software settings are needed

    I have located one drive that supports this, but I'd like some choice.

  80. SimpleTech Bonzai by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 1

    I prefer my SimpleTech Bonzai (not the Xpress). Why? Future expandibility. As SD cards grown in capacity, I can upgrade as need be. I don't have to worry about out growing a fixed capacity flash drive. The drawback is that the SD card is more expensive.

  81. My 2 cents with PNY's Attach by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Do not use this drive on Linux or FreeBSD.

    Perhaps I just had bad lucking trying to get it to work.

    I did have it recongized under FreeBSD5.2.1 but I had many problems with that distribution and will wait untill 5.3 to try again.

  82. Encryption across platforms by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    I have wanted to use one of these devices to keep private information. It appears that many of the flash drives have Windows encryption programs. Is there encryption for these drives that works on all major operating systems (meaning Windows and true or work-alike UNIX, such as OS X, Linux, FreeBSD)?