If I was to ask Dell, HP, or IBM if Mandrake ran on their servers, they'd say "Maybe but don't ask for it in writing"
Since you specified "servers", I can't say that's untrue, but HP certainly says that Mandrake runs on desktops from HP, and the interview did talk a lot about Linux desktops.
I'm actually looking to toy around with Linux some. I'd prefer it be easy to install, support a decent array of hardware, and be as painless as possible to gussy up KDE, or Gnome 2.
Then use Mandrake. It's easy to install, it recognizes pretty much everything, and there are lots of mirrors where you can download the ISOs (except right after a new release:). When you decide you like it, join the Mandrake Club to show your support.
Good (in a scary sense) link. It's hard to believe that corporations can exist only to suck the life blood from other companies. CEOs gone bad is old news, but vampire companies are a whole new perversion.
Don't be bad mouthing Independence Day, I liked it. Okay, uploading the Apple virus to an unknown, alien system was a bit of a stretch (thank God they were both 32-bit, big-endian). And the cigar thing was a little Clintonesque. But the aging, drunkard crop duster flying a jet fighter wasn't all that hard to believe, was it? And we've all recently seen the President in a flight suit, so what's your complaint?
Well, all the cell phones are made in Japan and are set up for text, so all the commercials here promote the useless feature by showing teens sending totally cool text messages while getting carpal syndrome thumbs. Hey, maybe it's better than the brain tumors from regular cell phone use.:)
Besides, if microsoft hasn't been moving towards securing their systems, I don't know who has.
Okay, I'll bite -- I never could resist a straight line. Sure, Microsoft has been inching up on security for over twenty years, and at the rate they're going, Windows 2200 should be secure. That'll be another ten code reviews, right?:)
About a year ago I installed RedHat 7.2. It was my first Linux install and after getting it up and running, I spent about an hour playing around with it before downloading all the patches (there were *a lot*). In that short time, a venerability in wu-ftp was exploited and my machine compromised.
Just curious. If it's your first installation of Linux, why would you start with it set up as a server? I'm not all that familiar with Red Hat, but that is not the default configuration AFAIK. And I suppose you could call wu-ftp *venerable*, but that doesn't always lead to exploits.:)
How about the worm load itself into memory during windows boot, and then connect to a kickstart server somewhere, and clean the box of the big vulnerability called Windows? I imagine there are tons of militant Linux advocates out there working on this right now...
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not even "militant" about it, and I code for Windows only when forced to. Unless someone is holding an unsigned paycheck to my head, I really just don't want to waste my time any more.
1. All software choices made by state agencies include open source software as a possibility
2. The results of any state run tests be made available for public review & opinion prior to the adoption of the software being tested
That sounds good as long as #1 includes a provision that the OSS actually be evalutated against the requirements. Otherwise the consideration given OSS will be pretty minor after the 2-hour, glitzy, high-powered, vaporware demo by the COTS marketroids (and the backslap, wink, and nod from the local lobbyist).
The only way people are going to dump Windows for Linux or any other OS is if that OS has a compelling difference that makes it worth the change.
The benefits may be hard to see, but what if people find out there is an operating system that won't subject them to every two-bit, VB script pseudo-virus that's crawling the web? What if they no longer had to deal with the mess, overhead, and updates of virus scanners that slow down their systems and won't allow them to run some programs? Would that make it worth the change? The whole desktop thing is just cosmetic -- they are all very similar.
Joe Sixpack isn't friends with the type of person who uses Linux.
I'm not sure which group is being insulted here. You might be surprised by Joe Sixpack's friends (or relatives).
What I'm trying to say is that Linux is a very esoteric OS to the average joe. He's simply not interested and won't be until he can buy a Compaq pre-loaded with a version of Linux that looks like Windows.
Twenty years ago, there were many incompatible *home computers* like Tandys, TIs, Commodores, Ataris, etc., and they sold like crazy. It wasn't all future Linux geeks buying them. They were new gadgets, and people wanted one. They didn't run Windows, believe it or not.
I have a Windows box and I buy games like they're going out of style. I've never once had to check the system requirements because I run Windows. That's how I like it. It's all about the software people. And by software, I mean games.
Games are a valid point, but if you've never had to check the system requirements, you haven't been running Windows all that long. Actually, there are users who don't use their PCs for gaming (get a PS2). The mythical Joe Sixpack may use his PC for no more than web surfing and online banking, in which case all he needs is an easily installed distro like Mandrake -- and the world would be a far safer place for all of us.
And I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords!
No, for real. They will be running the world soon enough.
No kidding. We send all the IT jobs to India and all the manufacturing jobs to China. Now the trade gap with China is $10 billion, with a 6:1 (and widening) imbalance. But I have to look at the bright side -- American CEOs are still getting bonuses, and some of that is bound to trickle down. I think it's time to open a shoe shine stand. Let 'em try to offshore that.
And really that is the case, many billions of dollars were paid to Microsoft for defective software. When auto makers have a recall, they are required to fix the problem for you. With software you have to do it yourself, and if you don't its your fault. Then again if you do install the patch yourself and your machine breaks, its still your fault!
Whoa, there. You want companies that sell software to be liable for problems their software caused? Where is the logic in that? The Dept. of Homeland Security uses Windows. What are you, some kind of communist or cyber-terrorist? We've got your user ID.:)
I don't like MS either, but this is blatantly unfair. MS did fix the gaping hole -- last month. The problem is that their customers didn't implement the fix, so they are taking reasonable precautions to avoid damage. Beat them up for the things for which they deserve, but not this.
I can almost agree with your point. Kudos to MS, they took less than six months to patch this one. However, they are peddling their product (as a secure product) to people who do not even understand what security updates are. Even companies that understand security cannot apply MS patches in a short time period because those patches often hose the entire network. With each iteration, MS claims to offer ever greater security through obscurity, and every claim is shot down, resulting in ever-increasing problems. The worst part is that MS's shortcomings don't just affect their clueless customers, everyone is affected. Sorry, I think MS deserves the flak.
Hah! Those are just cheap shots at Microsoft. If you'd read any of the Microsoft EULAs or service agreements, you'd know that end user is responsible for everything, and nothing is promised. Waiting for weeks for a response from Microsoft support is nothing new at all. So there.
Linux is still worse than Windows. Like Microsoft has pointed out before, if you run Linux, you can't depend on any support for the product . . . oh, wait . . . nevermind.
Yes, it is. Everyone makes mistakes, including Microsoft.
Who says it's a mistake (from Microsoft's viewpoint)? How many companies have put off plans to adopt Linux and remained with MS because of the SCO FUD? How many clueless n00bs have thought "$1300 to run Linux - no way". All for MS pocket change.
Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to mind what's happening with SCO. I wonder why?
So you have somehow managed to miss all the articles and comments pointing out that Sun already had a UNIX license but still paid SCO 6+ million dollars for another one?
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If I was to ask Dell, HP, or IBM if Mandrake ran on their servers, they'd say "Maybe but don't ask for it in writing"
Since you specified "servers", I can't say that's untrue, but HP certainly says that Mandrake runs on desktops from HP, and the interview did talk a lot about Linux desktops.
I'm actually looking to toy around with Linux some. I'd prefer it be easy to install, support a decent array of hardware, and be as painless as possible to gussy up KDE, or Gnome 2.
Then use Mandrake. It's easy to install, it recognizes pretty much everything, and there are lots of mirrors where you can download the ISOs (except right after a new release :). When you decide you like it, join the Mandrake Club to show your support.
I thought it was Spurious Crime Organization. :-)
After reading Perens' points about the BSD code, it could be the Stolen Code Organization.
Good (in a scary sense) link. It's hard to believe that corporations can exist only to suck the life blood from other companies. CEOs gone bad is old news, but vampire companies are a whole new perversion.
Don't be bad mouthing Independence Day, I liked it. Okay, uploading the Apple virus to an unknown, alien system was a bit of a stretch (thank God they were both 32-bit, big-endian). And the cigar thing was a little Clintonesque. But the aging, drunkard crop duster flying a jet fighter wasn't all that hard to believe, was it? And we've all recently seen the President in a flight suit, so what's your complaint?
Well, all the cell phones are made in Japan and are set up for text, so all the commercials here promote the useless feature by showing teens sending totally cool text messages while getting carpal syndrome thumbs. Hey, maybe it's better than the brain tumors from regular cell phone use. :)
The accusations made by SCO have been very unclear.
No kidding. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize that. :)
. . . Don't confuse the two very different legal issues.
Okay, so you're saying this dog-and-pony show has nothing to do with their lawsuit against IBM, it's about future shake-down scams?
How could the IBM engineers miss it.
The last link shows the code apparently came from SGI. Isn't SCO claiming that IBM contributed the so-called infringing code?
Besides, if microsoft hasn't been moving towards securing their systems, I don't know who has.
Okay, I'll bite -- I never could resist a straight line. Sure, Microsoft has been inching up on security for over twenty years, and at the rate they're going, Windows 2200 should be secure. That'll be another ten code reviews, right? :)
About a year ago I installed RedHat 7.2. It was my first Linux install and after getting it up and running, I spent about an hour playing around with it before downloading all the patches (there were *a lot*). In that short time, a venerability in wu-ftp was exploited and my machine compromised.
Just curious. If it's your first installation of Linux, why would you start with it set up as a server? I'm not all that familiar with Red Hat, but that is not the default configuration AFAIK. And I suppose you could call wu-ftp *venerable*, but that doesn't always lead to exploits. :)
maybe Microsoft released cleanup as an "internet windowsupdate - mandatory!" :)
That would fit with their philosophy of *embrace and extend*. Microsoft Viruses(R), the only DRM- and Palladium-compatible viruses. Catch one today! :)
How about the worm load itself into memory during windows boot, and then connect to a kickstart server somewhere, and clean the box of the big vulnerability called Windows? I imagine there are tons of militant Linux advocates out there working on this right now...
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not even "militant" about it, and I code for Windows only when forced to. Unless someone is holding an unsigned paycheck to my head, I really just don't want to waste my time any more.
How about, instead, a bill that requires:
That sounds good as long as #1 includes a provision that the OSS actually be evalutated against the requirements. Otherwise the consideration given OSS will be pretty minor after the 2-hour, glitzy, high-powered, vaporware demo by the COTS marketroids (and the backslap, wink, and nod from the local lobbyist).
The only way people are going to dump Windows for Linux or any other OS is if that OS has a compelling difference that makes it worth the change.
The benefits may be hard to see, but what if people find out there is an operating system that won't subject them to every two-bit, VB script pseudo-virus that's crawling the web? What if they no longer had to deal with the mess, overhead, and updates of virus scanners that slow down their systems and won't allow them to run some programs? Would that make it worth the change? The whole desktop thing is just cosmetic -- they are all very similar.
Joe Sixpack isn't friends with the type of person who uses Linux.
I'm not sure which group is being insulted here. You might be surprised by Joe Sixpack's friends (or relatives).
What I'm trying to say is that Linux is a very esoteric OS to the average joe. He's simply not interested and won't be until he can buy a Compaq pre-loaded with a version of Linux that looks like Windows.
Twenty years ago, there were many incompatible *home computers* like Tandys, TIs, Commodores, Ataris, etc., and they sold like crazy. It wasn't all future Linux geeks buying them. They were new gadgets, and people wanted one. They didn't run Windows, believe it or not.
I have a Windows box and I buy games like they're going out of style. I've never once had to check the system requirements because I run Windows. That's how I like it. It's all about the software people. And by software, I mean games.
Games are a valid point, but if you've never had to check the system requirements, you haven't been running Windows all that long. Actually, there are users who don't use their PCs for gaming (get a PS2). The mythical Joe Sixpack may use his PC for no more than web surfing and online banking, in which case all he needs is an easily installed distro like Mandrake -- and the world would be a far safer place for all of us.
And I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords!
No, for real. They will be running the world soon enough.
No kidding. We send all the IT jobs to India and all the manufacturing jobs to China. Now the trade gap with China is $10 billion, with a 6:1 (and widening) imbalance. But I have to look at the bright side -- American CEOs are still getting bonuses, and some of that is bound to trickle down. I think it's time to open a shoe shine stand. Let 'em try to offshore that.
why else would Bill and Steve sell most of their holdings , its not like they need the money
Well, Steve is opening a chain of dance schools, and Bill decided to stop the charades and just buy the DOJ outright.
And really that is the case, many billions of dollars were paid to Microsoft for defective software. When auto makers have a recall, they are required to fix the problem for you. With software you have to do it yourself, and if you don't its your fault. Then again if you do install the patch yourself and your machine breaks, its still your fault!
Whoa, there. You want companies that sell software to be liable for problems their software caused? Where is the logic in that? The Dept. of Homeland Security uses Windows. What are you, some kind of communist or cyber-terrorist? We've got your user ID. :)
I don't like MS either, but this is blatantly unfair. MS did fix the gaping hole -- last month. The problem is that their customers didn't implement the fix, so they are taking reasonable precautions to avoid damage. Beat them up for the things for which they deserve, but not this.
I can almost agree with your point. Kudos to MS, they took less than six months to patch this one. However, they are peddling their product (as a secure product) to people who do not even understand what security updates are. Even companies that understand security cannot apply MS patches in a short time period because those patches often hose the entire network. With each iteration, MS claims to offer ever greater security through obscurity, and every claim is shot down, resulting in ever-increasing problems. The worst part is that MS's shortcomings don't just affect their clueless customers, everyone is affected. Sorry, I think MS deserves the flak.
Hah! Those are just cheap shots at Microsoft. If you'd read any of the Microsoft EULAs or service agreements, you'd know that end user is responsible for everything, and nothing is promised. Waiting for weeks for a response from Microsoft support is nothing new at all. So there.
Linux is still worse than Windows. Like Microsoft has pointed out before, if you run Linux, you can't depend on any support for the product . . . oh, wait . . . nevermind.
Seriously, there is a post every 2 days about SCO.
Someone doesn't visit very often. It's more like twice a day, and I want to know why we are getting SCO news ONLY TWICE a day?!
I don't get it. They could've made a LOT of friends, but chose to shove us aside. Makes no sense to me.
M-O-N-E-Y. G-R-E-E-D. C-E-O. I'd explain the relation between the words, but then I'd have to give you an MBA. :)
Yes, it is. Everyone makes mistakes, including Microsoft.
Who says it's a mistake (from Microsoft's viewpoint)? How many companies have put off plans to adopt Linux and remained with MS because of the SCO FUD? How many clueless n00bs have thought "$1300 to run Linux - no way". All for MS pocket change.
Sun Microsystems doesn't seem to mind what's happening with SCO. I wonder why?
So you have somehow managed to miss all the articles and comments pointing out that Sun already had a UNIX license but still paid SCO 6+ million dollars for another one?
I think this is just a floater for Boies, etc., to see how well it will fly. . . Remember, they demanded a trial-by-jury.
Ah, I now understand the term "trial balloon".