So you never tip a waiter or waitress for services rendered? You don't have to - the service in a restaurant is usually free. Of course, it sucks to be you if you ever go back to the same restaurant.
And I'm not familiar with this "capitolism" that you know so much about. Is that something practiced only in Washington D.C.?
So you don't believe you might be willing to pay for value received, only things that you are forced to pay for. Interesting concept. That takes capitalism to a new, even-more-cynical level.
The people in Mandrake did toss out the "new management". Now, they are back to doing just Linux distros. And Mandrake is "newbie" friendly, as always.
I don't think this is a real problem. They have MandrakeClub exclusive servers for commercial software (like StarOffice for silver members only) already.
Okay, there's a separate server where silver level members can download Star Office. Is it available for downloading the ISOs? There's over a GB difference between the two.
If you've been following the whole mess, you know it's the e-Learning thing and hiring PHBs to lead them through the dot.bomb bubble that hosed them. The PHBs got bucks. Mandrake got bills. The PHBs got fired (probably with golden parachutes). The companies that the PHBs made stupid deals with still want bucks for useless products. Mandrake's Linux offerings have been profitable, i.e., the income has exceeded the expenses. Their pusuit of other "irrelevant" products disappeared with the relocation of the PHBs (hopefully back to hell).
They should have allowed access to their ISOs to clubmembers only (at minimum until the box is available in the shops).
Yeah, I've had similar thoughts, but are the mirrors (which are donating bandwidth for nothing as far as I know) going to go along with an exclusionary access scheme? There are a few now that appear okay with it or are unaware of the practice. What happens if many more people join the club? Convert more mirrors? The freeloaders will purge the memory of their ftp clients and forget the last few sites where they got the ISOs, right? Just looking for insight here as to how it could work.
I think the turning point came when they still wanted to use StarOffice with their distro. As we all now it became a "pay-for" app at roughly $60! So all the silver members (people who paid $60 for that membership) were excluded from downloading StarOffice, they had to upgrade their membership. That is what totally stopped me, why did they no switch to Open Office?
Um, I think you meant *non-silver* members. Star Office is not free, and Mandrake is relaying that reality to the members. I don't understand your point about switching to Open Office - it's included free with the distro. I use it all the time.
Second, they are not known for great stability or a streamlined install. They always seemed to be a working Beta than a Full Release by the lack of this performance.
Are you sure you've used Mandrake? They are known for producing a stable product and especially for easy installation. That's why it's so good for n00bs or lazy people like me. There's an old saw about never installing a X.0 product, but Mandrake 9.0 installed without a hitch (and it was a full install, not just an upgrade). It set up ethernet, Samba, and the rest that was needed for the LAN and Internet connections without help. And it is still far more stable than the Win2K I use at work. (I always turn that machine off for the weekend. I figure if it happens to make it a whole week without a reboot, I'm just pushing my luck anyway.)
If you already have the ISOs, then you have something. If you help out, you may continue to get those "free" ISOs. Otherwise, you'll likely "get NOTHING". Think it through - I know it hurts.
lemme tell you guys something -- you DO NOT wanna move to india, bad water, bad food, bad pay. not to mention (depending on the part you go to) pakistan always right over your shoulder. NOT a pretty picture.
Thanks for the warning, but we'd only want to move to the Microsoft MyIndia Outsourcing Campus, which I'm sure is much better than the regular open source Indian model.:)
My opinion on foriegn outsourcing is , I can understand a companies obligation to it's shareholders to stay in business, but I also feel if you HQ yourself here, you need to hire people from here.
I'm with you. How about the flip side too - if a company moves its workforce offshore, the HQ and all the executives should be required to relocate as well. They really should be supervising their workers.:)
Wow. After reading all the other responses to your post, I find it hard to believe there are that many people still using Assembly (and so passionate about it). I had thought I was one of the last to give up the addiction to bare metal, and it's been over five years since I used an assembler.
What you're really saying is that you want a CS graduate degree.
What he said is that he'd like a job in IT. And in this climate, a graduate degree isn't going to help him any more than certs. He'd be unwise to invest time and money in a graduate degree to get a job that's gone elsewhere.
You made some good points. I just finished reading a mailing list where one guy in Silicon Valley applied for an IT job along with 5,000 other people.
I'd suggest the guy that posted the article forget about school, certs, and all the rest of the stuff that companies claim they want as a smoke screen to exclude local workers. If he's really crazy enough to want a job in a disappearing profession like American IT, he should move to India. Then he can either come back as an H-1B or L-1 or stay in India and get one of the outsourced jobs.
The part I don't understand is that when the manufacturing jobs went overseas, we were told that it was a good thing because our workforce could be redeployed into the exploding field of Information Technology. Now that IT jobs are following the manufacturing jobs, what are the displaced resident workers supposed to do? Is it Burger Technology for all of us? Can we make a living providing fast food for each other?
American companies are claiming they have to outsource their IT work to remain competitive. With only burger-flippers left in America, who will buy their products? Are there enough marketroids, PHBs, and CEOs to keep the economy alive, or is there some new field that all the IT workers can move to?
And I am not dissing burger-flippers - I do enjoy the forbidden quarter-pounder and fries on occasion. They just don't get paid very much.:)
Mandrake's previous management was a group of PHBs that saddled them with a lot of debt and contractual obligations during the dot.bomb era. Of course, you'd know this if you'd read even half of the previous posts or investigated the subject. They came close to clearing it. What's so bad about Mandrake's marketing?
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Fantastic! I can finally grep a directory full of five different versions of MS Word documents for a phrase. Or maybe not?
So you never tip a waiter or waitress for services rendered? You don't have to - the service in a restaurant is usually free. Of course, it sucks to be you if you ever go back to the same restaurant.
And I'm not familiar with this "capitolism" that you know so much about. Is that something practiced only in Washington D.C.?
Well, hey, I'll give you the +1 rotten potato for your contribution.
So you don't believe you might be willing to pay for value received, only things that you are forced to pay for. Interesting concept. That takes capitalism to a new, even-more-cynical level.
I'll bet you're the guy who uses all the printed return-address labels that come in the mail without ever donating to the cause. :)
Well said. Damn well said, and a good point about 8.2 (too).
The people in Mandrake did toss out the "new management". Now, they are back to doing just Linux distros. And Mandrake is "newbie" friendly, as always.
I don't think this is a real problem. They have MandrakeClub exclusive servers for commercial software (like StarOffice for silver members only) already.
Okay, there's a separate server where silver level members can download Star Office. Is it available for downloading the ISOs? There's over a GB difference between the two.
I know that me-too responses are frowned upon, but, in this case: Me too, good post.
If you've been following the whole mess, you know it's the e-Learning thing and hiring PHBs to lead them through the dot.bomb bubble that hosed them. The PHBs got bucks. Mandrake got bills. The PHBs got fired (probably with golden parachutes). The companies that the PHBs made stupid deals with still want bucks for useless products. Mandrake's Linux offerings have been profitable, i.e., the income has exceeded the expenses. Their pusuit of other "irrelevant" products disappeared with the relocation of the PHBs (hopefully back to hell).
They should have allowed access to their ISOs to clubmembers only (at minimum until the box is available in the shops).
Yeah, I've had similar thoughts, but are the mirrors (which are donating bandwidth for nothing as far as I know) going to go along with an exclusionary access scheme? There are a few now that appear okay with it or are unaware of the practice. What happens if many more people join the club? Convert more mirrors? The freeloaders will purge the memory of their ftp clients and forget the last few sites where they got the ISOs, right? Just looking for insight here as to how it could work.
I think the turning point came when they still wanted to use StarOffice with their distro. As we all now it became a "pay-for" app at roughly $60! So all the silver members (people who paid $60 for that membership) were excluded from downloading StarOffice, they had to upgrade their membership. That is what totally stopped me, why did they no switch to Open Office?
Um, I think you meant *non-silver* members. Star Office is not free, and Mandrake is relaying that reality to the members. I don't understand your point about switching to Open Office - it's included free with the distro. I use it all the time.
Second, they are not known for great stability or a streamlined install. They always seemed to be a working Beta than a Full Release by the lack of this performance.
Are you sure you've used Mandrake? They are known for producing a stable product and especially for easy installation. That's why it's so good for n00bs or lazy people like me. There's an old saw about never installing a X.0 product, but Mandrake 9.0 installed without a hitch (and it was a full install, not just an upgrade). It set up ethernet, Samba, and the rest that was needed for the LAN and Internet connections without help. And it is still far more stable than the Win2K I use at work. (I always turn that machine off for the weekend. I figure if it happens to make it a whole week without a reboot, I'm just pushing my luck anyway.)
If you already have the ISOs, then you have something. If you help out, you may continue to get those "free" ISOs. Otherwise, you'll likely "get NOTHING". Think it through - I know it hurts.
I should have included that I see what you're saying and appreciate the input - just got carried away with the joke. Sorry.
lemme tell you guys something -- you DO NOT wanna move to india, bad water, bad food, bad pay. not to mention (depending on the part you go to) pakistan always right over your shoulder. NOT a pretty picture.
Thanks for the warning, but we'd only want to move to the Microsoft MyIndia Outsourcing Campus, which I'm sure is much better than the regular open source Indian model. :)
My opinion on foriegn outsourcing is , I can understand a companies obligation to it's shareholders to stay in business, but I also feel if you HQ yourself here, you need to hire people from here.
I'm with you. How about the flip side too - if a company moves its workforce offshore, the HQ and all the executives should be required to relocate as well. They really should be supervising their workers. :)
All the grad students that I know right now are just hiding out until the market recovers.
Until the market for what recovers? Out-of-date grad students? Good luck to them. :)
Wow. After reading all the other responses to your post, I find it hard to believe there are that many people still using Assembly (and so passionate about it). I had thought I was one of the last to give up the addiction to bare metal, and it's been over five years since I used an assembler.
Yup, it's been a losing battle for a long time.
And what do these nerds do with the metal bra when they get it home?
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What you're really saying is that you want a CS graduate degree.
What he said is that he'd like a job in IT. And in this climate, a graduate degree isn't going to help him any more than certs. He'd be unwise to invest time and money in a graduate degree to get a job that's gone elsewhere.
You made some good points. I just finished reading a mailing list where one guy in Silicon Valley applied for an IT job along with 5,000 other people.
:)
I'd suggest the guy that posted the article forget about school, certs, and all the rest of the stuff that companies claim they want as a smoke screen to exclude local workers. If he's really crazy enough to want a job in a disappearing profession like American IT, he should move to India. Then he can either come back as an H-1B or L-1 or stay in India and get one of the outsourced jobs.
The part I don't understand is that when the manufacturing jobs went overseas, we were told that it was a good thing because our workforce could be redeployed into the exploding field of Information Technology. Now that IT jobs are following the manufacturing jobs, what are the displaced resident workers supposed to do? Is it Burger Technology for all of us? Can we make a living providing fast food for each other?
American companies are claiming they have to outsource their IT work to remain competitive. With only burger-flippers left in America, who will buy their products? Are there enough marketroids, PHBs, and CEOs to keep the economy alive, or is there some new field that all the IT workers can move to?
And I am not dissing burger-flippers - I do enjoy the forbidden quarter-pounder and fries on occasion. They just don't get paid very much.
Read all about it: of course I would know that if I gave a rat's ass fat boy.
Okay, you just admitted that you posted something pulled out out of your ass with nothing to back it up.
Anybody with mod points out there care to evaluate the original post?
Mandrake's previous management was a group of PHBs that saddled them with a lot of debt and contractual obligations during the dot.bomb era. Of course, you'd know this if you'd read even half of the previous posts or investigated the subject. They came close to clearing it. What's so bad about Mandrake's marketing?