The BSD license is a permissive license. If you release ANYTHING under the BSD license you're basically saying "here, I've done this, now use it". Which is great. We can use the code, modify it, roll it up into our proprietary package and happily redistribute it. And everyone's known this forever.
So mingling BSD and GPL code shouldn't produce such surprising results. I'm sure the original developer would have been much happier if the updates could be given back under the original license to the original project. But adding new code under a different (in this case less permissive) license does exactly what it should do. No-one TOOK his code. He gave it away. They made improvements but licensed their work under the license they preferred.
They could just as well have taken it, improved it and rolled it into a massive money making venture and never even provided the code and somehow in this funny climate it seems *that* would have been better.
Don't like the license? Don't use the code. Write your own code. We GPL monkeys have to do this all the time. Technically, so do the commercial shops. Sounds like a petty squabble. If they didn't want it to be free, as in they had some expectation of being given something back then should have chose another license. But it's BSD. I could write a patch and release the patch under the most insane license I could find. Folding my patch into their codebase would then 'taint' their licensing. That's exactly how the BSD works. In fact, that's exactly the BSD's strength and it's flexibility.
Personally I prefer the GPL for this very reason. If I release work and people improve it and benefit from it I'd like to see some return on the gains. But since it's BSD you can A) accept it because it's the nature of the license you chose B) whine... C) ask (never hurts, but it doesn't politically make sense to reverse your stance on such a permissive license) D) reject the patch and fork (happens all the time) E) change licenses to something that better reflects your expectations.
Mind you, this all makes for good/. style entertainment and I'm sure they'll work out their differences (I'd guess by doing D). And since when does the BSD have X11 like clauses? I'm having deja vu.
At least on more recent versions of Linux. I've been looking for a slightly different solution to filesystem synchronization (for webservers using iSCSI over ethernet to cache to local disk). Rsync would be a solution with a kernel that supported inotify, but we are using 4u5 systems so I'm left assessing expensive replication solutions or upgrading the whole system to RHEL5 with a tight deadline.
I have no doubt that they used it for this reason. I mean people would still happily pay for Windows XP, even Dell will provide it if asked. Vista hasn't been a vertical or even lateral step for Microsoft. But they still employ a lot of very sharp minds and aside from their domination (mainly via lock-in) I won't rules Vista a technical failure until SP1, even SP2. Still, it's frustrating and disappointing that they would take their most decent product to date (Windows XP Pro) and release what for all intents and purposes feels like a downgrade all around. But most people just buy what they are familiar with and will endure this and maybe, eventually, MS will show some features that actually shine.
Everyone *will* eventually be using Vista. It's just a adoption thing. This should be expected to be slow, maybe a tad slower because of some of the wild mis-steps MS has made but you can not discount their unique position and monopoly.
And yes, I know there are 'alternatives'. But Apples market is pretty specific and Linux no matter what anyone says is still quite a ways off (and yes, I use Red Hat in production and now Ubuntu on my secondary workstation at home).
And FTR after over 8 years of Linux use, most of that full-time (as in no Windows OS anywhere in my home, including my wifes desktop) Ubuntu is the best I've seen from an end user POV. But it's still Linux and it still suffers from the same technical hurdles that will be part and parcel until either Linux based systems as a whole overcome (not likely, too many different goals) or someone seriously forks their set and reworks the system from the ground up to be a USER system.
Now feel free to flame me. I know how well open discussions go over here (I won't take it personally).
With closed a hardware solution designed top to bottom to be a DRM wrapper? I guess that's one way to stand up to something. But by that logic you'd have done just as well with a rootkit (and probably saved some money).
I don't know about that. I'd typically buy Linux Journal. Sys Admin felt almost like a weekly, although side-by-side I'd say Sys Admin was actually the better magazine (but Linux Journal caters to a wider audience..). I think Sys Admin simply missed the boat by not jumping onto the Linux bandwagon. Too bad, I always meant to get a subscription so I wouldn't be lured by the beefier Linux Magazines (with their end-user content, soft surveys and advertising).
rock? Because when it comes right down to it I think that's all this poor analyst was looking for. Just admit it, you want to rock? You know Linus knows how to rock. John Hall looks fresh out of a Greatful Dead concert (although I was thinking more along the lines of AC/DC, but whatever man). Linux totally has the license to rock.
But I don't think it's a solution. Between softfails, ISP's who block outgoing connections to port 25 (in favor of using their own SMTP servers) and generally low scoring on most spamassassin configurations I've seen I'd consider it helpful (particularly in getting your email OUT) but not a definitive answer.
That said I DO wish more people would use it so that it's overall impact would be increased (as people began to rely on it more). TMDA aside (which has a whole batch of problems, I know) it's my next favorite tool.
Back in the day we called them weekend warriors. They were the dumb kids with easy lives that didn't tend to act very responsibly. But then they'd just pop back into the suburbs.
That is a very good point...
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And I think you're dead-on. It's taken me years to learn that. That and the fact that not only am I replaceable, but so is my employer. It's definitely a two-way street and change isn't alway bad (it's usually opportunity actually, whatever you might chose to make of it).
I run a website that's add free. I foot the bills myself. I have a donation button that mostly takes up space. I don't mind because it's an arts and music site and aside from all the revenue pumping ventures out there (which is where I work to pay the bill in the first place) there is also a lot of amazing music and art. Which I felt obliged to give something back to. So while many, many sites use advertising to offset the costs of operation or simply to generate revenue there are also some sites that run because they want to push an agenda. Maybe make a little bit of a difference.
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That's exactly the kind of shop you don't want to work for. If they don't understand which questions to ask then they don't understand what it is they need you to do (or say, that you're doing it right). Terrible situation to be stuck trying to work in.
Lets start an American War on...well whatever. Make it a terroristy type thingy. We seem to funnel truckloads of money into anything terroristy or military related and just think, our boys of broadband would get to work at home. They'd probably get shot at a hell of a lot less, I mean aside from some red-necks or telcom hired assassins. And ninjas. Never underestimate the ninjas.
Easy solution. The FCC can break up the US in pieces and give them out to Ma^^^^AT^^^Bell to run. It's totally a no brainer!
The US is too fucking big (seriously though). It makes the kind of shitty politics we have here inevitable because there is no way so many extremely diverse groups of people from so many different regions will ever agree on anything.
It's like feudalism with a puppet dictator in charge of the military and tax dollars. If I chose to have a child I would seriously consider moving abroad. You need a state small enough to listen to the people. No wonder corporations get so much attention. They are the smallest and most cohesive segment of the American population (sorry I'm ranting, no coffee, general frustration, I love people, cats and puppy dogs and never voted communist...unless Nader counts).
Probably if I was still in my twenties. Something like this would either take massive amounts of work (read: loads of free time and thankless dedication) or lots of capital (which is the direction I think it would need to go, to sell it and provide a level of confidence to an industry that relies on lawyers and contracts).
Not that I'm trying to be discouraging. It may well be easier then all that or maybe you've worked out a great way to make it happen (or maybe you're just dedicated enough). I already work too much (welcome web 2.0) and in my free time I run an arts and music site (among other things).
But if you get things going or working up a good boiler-plate license I'd love to hear about it and I'd be glad to work with the artists and labels I already have contact with to see if they'd get on board.
I'll scratch around a little, but there was a mid-sized label that had released a license to allow promotion of their artists. They provided a well thought out PDF that covered things like limitations, streaming (versus playlists, which can easily be bounced to disk using any number of tools). It was my first introduction to rights protection from a labels point of view (a little too much legalese for the artists which is part of why I think you need to package and "sell" the idea, which costs money typically).
Anyway, if I don't hear from you I'll try to periodically check that URL. If you weren't in school your best route would be to try to setup a 501(c)3 (or the equivalent on your side of the pond) and seek funding. Live365 and Real are the companies that should be spearheading an initiative like this. The big broadcasters who have more to gain and claim more to lose. Their indifference (moaning and whining aside) I find perplexing, even a little annoying. Like their putting on a show, but to what end? I'm guessing nothing much better then what the RIAA is up to.
I did look out the window, my mother was the English teach. But at least have balls enough to risk your own karma. THAT I find hilarious. Nitpicking silly grammar issues like some kind of academic fundamentalist I find amusing and slightly annoying. In that order.
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The BSD license is a permissive license. If you release ANYTHING under the BSD license you're basically saying "here, I've done this, now use it". Which is great. We can use the code, modify it, roll it up into our proprietary package and happily redistribute it. And everyone's known this forever.
... C) ask (never hurts, but it doesn't politically make sense to reverse your stance on such a permissive license) D) reject the patch and fork (happens all the time) E) change licenses to something that better reflects your expectations.
/. style entertainment and I'm sure they'll work out their differences (I'd guess by doing D). And since when does the BSD have X11 like clauses? I'm having deja vu.
So mingling BSD and GPL code shouldn't produce such surprising results. I'm sure the original developer would have been much happier if the updates could be given back under the original license to the original project. But adding new code under a different (in this case less permissive) license does exactly what it should do. No-one TOOK his code. He gave it away. They made improvements but licensed their work under the license they preferred.
They could just as well have taken it, improved it and rolled it into a massive money making venture and never even provided the code and somehow in this funny climate it seems *that* would have been better.
Don't like the license? Don't use the code. Write your own code. We GPL monkeys have to do this all the time. Technically, so do the commercial shops. Sounds like a petty squabble. If they didn't want it to be free, as in they had some expectation of being given something back then should have chose another license. But it's BSD. I could write a patch and release the patch under the most insane license I could find. Folding my patch into their codebase would then 'taint' their licensing. That's exactly how the BSD works. In fact, that's exactly the BSD's strength and it's flexibility.
Personally I prefer the GPL for this very reason. If I release work and people improve it and benefit from it I'd like to see some return on the gains. But since it's BSD you can A) accept it because it's the nature of the license you chose B) whine
Mind you, this all makes for good
At least on more recent versions of Linux. I've been looking for a slightly different solution to filesystem synchronization (for webservers using iSCSI over ethernet to cache to local disk). Rsync would be a solution with a kernel that supported inotify, but we are using 4u5 systems so I'm left assessing expensive replication solutions or upgrading the whole system to RHEL5 with a tight deadline.
I have no doubt that they used it for this reason. I mean people would still happily pay for Windows XP, even Dell will provide it if asked. Vista hasn't been a vertical or even lateral step for Microsoft. But they still employ a lot of very sharp minds and aside from their domination (mainly via lock-in) I won't rules Vista a technical failure until SP1, even SP2. Still, it's frustrating and disappointing that they would take their most decent product to date (Windows XP Pro) and release what for all intents and purposes feels like a downgrade all around. But most people just buy what they are familiar with and will endure this and maybe, eventually, MS will show some features that actually shine.
Everyone *will* eventually be using Vista. It's just a adoption thing. This should be expected to be slow, maybe a tad slower because of some of the wild mis-steps MS has made but you can not discount their unique position and monopoly.
And yes, I know there are 'alternatives'. But Apples market is pretty specific and Linux no matter what anyone says is still quite a ways off (and yes, I use Red Hat in production and now Ubuntu on my secondary workstation at home).
And FTR after over 8 years of Linux use, most of that full-time (as in no Windows OS anywhere in my home, including my wifes desktop) Ubuntu is the best I've seen from an end user POV. But it's still Linux and it still suffers from the same technical hurdles that will be part and parcel until either Linux based systems as a whole overcome (not likely, too many different goals) or someone seriously forks their set and reworks the system from the ground up to be a USER system.
Now feel free to flame me. I know how well open discussions go over here (I won't take it personally).
With closed a hardware solution designed top to bottom to be a DRM wrapper? I guess that's one way to stand up to something. But by that logic you'd have done just as well with a rootkit (and probably saved some money).
of his system.
I don't know about that. I'd typically buy Linux Journal. Sys Admin felt almost like a weekly, although side-by-side I'd say Sys Admin was actually the better magazine (but Linux Journal caters to a wider audience..). I think Sys Admin simply missed the boat by not jumping onto the Linux bandwagon. Too bad, I always meant to get a subscription so I wouldn't be lured by the beefier Linux Magazines (with their end-user content, soft surveys and advertising).
rock? Because when it comes right down to it I think that's all this poor analyst was looking for. Just admit it, you want to rock? You know Linus knows how to rock. John Hall looks fresh out of a Greatful Dead concert (although I was thinking more along the lines of AC/DC, but whatever man). Linux totally has the license to rock.
But I don't think it's a solution. Between softfails, ISP's who block outgoing connections to port 25 (in favor of using their own SMTP servers) and generally low scoring on most spamassassin configurations I've seen I'd consider it helpful (particularly in getting your email OUT) but not a definitive answer.
That said I DO wish more people would use it so that it's overall impact would be increased (as people began to rely on it more). TMDA aside (which has a whole batch of problems, I know) it's my next favorite tool.
BMW drivers next. Cars after that.
Back in the day we called them weekend warriors. They were the dumb kids with easy lives that didn't tend to act very responsibly. But then they'd just pop back into the suburbs.
And I think you're dead-on. It's taken me years to learn that. That and the fact that not only am I replaceable, but so is my employer. It's definitely a two-way street and change isn't alway bad (it's usually opportunity actually, whatever you might chose to make of it).
I run a website that's add free. I foot the bills myself. I have a donation button that mostly takes up space. I don't mind because it's an arts and music site and aside from all the revenue pumping ventures out there (which is where I work to pay the bill in the first place) there is also a lot of amazing music and art. Which I felt obliged to give something back to. So while many, many sites use advertising to offset the costs of operation or simply to generate revenue there are also some sites that run because they want to push an agenda. Maybe make a little bit of a difference.
That's exactly the kind of shop you don't want to work for. If they don't understand which questions to ask then they don't understand what it is they need you to do (or say, that you're doing it right). Terrible situation to be stuck trying to work in.
And it probably happens more then you think. YouTube was just a particularly high-profile example.
Enough with the Vista bashing, we're sorry.
I must have missed that but it's good to know.
It's *fibre* a foot would have done the job.
Aren't they still in the game? Did I miss something and they started shaping traffic? Otherwise this sounds 100% gimmick.
Lets start an American War on...well whatever. Make it a terroristy type thingy. We seem to funnel truckloads of money into anything terroristy or military related and just think, our boys of broadband would get to work at home. They'd probably get shot at a hell of a lot less, I mean aside from some red-necks or telcom hired assassins. And ninjas. Never underestimate the ninjas.
Easy solution. The FCC can break up the US in pieces and give them out to Ma^^^^AT^^^Bell to run. It's totally a no brainer!
The US is too fucking big (seriously though). It makes the kind of shitty politics we have here inevitable because there is no way so many extremely diverse groups of people from so many different regions will ever agree on anything.
It's like feudalism with a puppet dictator in charge of the military and tax dollars. If I chose to have a child I would seriously consider moving abroad. You need a state small enough to listen to the people. No wonder corporations get so much attention. They are the smallest and most cohesive segment of the American population (sorry I'm ranting, no coffee, general frustration, I love people, cats and puppy dogs and never voted communist...unless Nader counts).
We elected those monkeys (twice).
Probably if I was still in my twenties. Something like this would either take massive amounts of work (read: loads of free time and thankless dedication) or lots of capital (which is the direction I think it would need to go, to sell it and provide a level of confidence to an industry that relies on lawyers and contracts).
Not that I'm trying to be discouraging. It may well be easier then all that or maybe you've worked out a great way to make it happen (or maybe you're just dedicated enough). I already work too much (welcome web 2.0) and in my free time I run an arts and music site (among other things).
But if you get things going or working up a good boiler-plate license I'd love to hear about it and I'd be glad to work with the artists and labels I already have contact with to see if they'd get on board.
I'll scratch around a little, but there was a mid-sized label that had released a license to allow promotion of their artists. They provided a well thought out PDF that covered things like limitations, streaming (versus playlists, which can easily be bounced to disk using any number of tools). It was my first introduction to rights protection from a labels point of view (a little too much legalese for the artists which is part of why I think you need to package and "sell" the idea, which costs money typically).
Anyway, if I don't hear from you I'll try to periodically check that URL. If you weren't in school your best route would be to try to setup a 501(c)3 (or the equivalent on your side of the pond) and seek funding. Live365 and Real are the companies that should be spearheading an initiative like this. The big broadcasters who have more to gain and claim more to lose. Their indifference (moaning and whining aside) I find perplexing, even a little annoying. Like their putting on a show, but to what end? I'm guessing nothing much better then what the RIAA is up to.
I did look out the window, my mother was the English teach. But at least have balls enough to risk your own karma. THAT I find hilarious. Nitpicking silly grammar issues like some kind of academic fundamentalist I find amusing and slightly annoying. In that order.
You should have the housekeeper going with you (that is, assuming she's hot).