Plus, on the bright side after your wife/lover/puppy figures out how much this all cost you can remind them that its totally upgradable! Plus you can install next years features an 1/3 the cost (intead of throwing it away)!
VCD's failed here because aside from being lower quality (the MPAA's DVD format) they can hold LESS VIDEO, which is important to those of us who don't like to get up in the middle of a program to swap out cd's.
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Ok, so a marshall has the right to execute the warrant. But does that mean you have to allow the BSA onto your property?
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I've read ancedotal stories like this before. What I wonder is why (if companies like your friend are really warding them off) aren't there more sites (any) publically debunking the BSA.
Since when is it adult to celebrate an unjust law being used against someone your not very fond of (that particular moment)?
Every once in a while a story like this gets posted and I remember what a mixed up bunch we are.
The driver in Germany was an idiot. If you where using the same system I'd bet you your life earnings you would not drive across an unfamiliar bridge without looking. Seem like in glorious slashdot style we are filled with speculation.
As for the overlay issues you mention I'd bet they figure that out. I'd also be that they won't be supplying one of the units to every trooper, more like a radio man. I'll even go one step further and bet that he won't use it except in situations where visibility is a real issue.
I'm picturing binoculars, with a wireframe overlay. Probably a "you are here" call but not a HUD with markers on friendlies or enemies.
These anecdotal reviews sound great (I'm using 9.0). My biggest grip with 9.0 was *less* multimedia support. I haven't read many comments about that here. How is it? Does 9.1 include Mplayer? I know they where working on Mozilla support (mailcap, plugger?) for it too, is that working? I know all these packages can be had through various sources (PLF, Cooker) but it always seemed like a glaring oversight not to include them as part of the desktop (this has got to be a fairly big turn-off for new users??).
Anyhow, just curious. If not maybe I'll just wait for PLF to make them available.
I'd have to agree. Computers and technology has come a long way in the past few decades, but you wouldn't know it trying to install debian (not to say you wouldn't *after* installing it). Mandrake takes advantage of a little bit more technology. Some of the basic configuration taken care of for you. I think this is the way it should be. You get a semi-smart working system and you go from there. in 1999 I started using Linux because I wasn't happy with the configurability of Windows. The boon with Mandrake is underneath what gloss its has its just a Linux system. New users get hand holding, old users can forget some of the more menial tasks and super users can go nuts.
They "transport it to an EPA approved recycler" like it says. Of course the real question is what to they do with it, which is covered here in a story aptly title Exporting Harm.
That sounds wonderful. Now all we need is simple, consistent and comprehensive configuration utilities, sane application naming, unified desktop management, hardware auto detection/configuration, double-click installation wizard and consistent kernel level support for lazy driver makers and hardware manufacturers.
FWIW, I'm not trying to bash Gentoo here. I only mentioned Gentoo because for a fairly technical distribution it really does seem to have some of these issues worked out.
Want to see a desktop revolution, try a distribution that can compile itself, comes with numerous applications ready *to* install, has easily identified (console and X) default utilities (ala Windows), complete configuration utilities, consistent desktop management, that you can download and install independent second party applications and drivers for - *and* install with a double click. That would give the pc world a shake.
Want to see mass migration to Linux? Give them the power of distributions like Gentoo, in a useable package. I mean who wouldn't want to use Linux, if it could do the things your existing system already does too.
I'm still playing Tribes 2 with over 60 active tribe members and a dedicated server and website.
Goooooooo Liiinnnuuuxx!
I think their doing it to try to keep things from fizzling out. ID does it because they can (and they kick ass). Loki, well.. And LGP is holding the torch. I think OSS should court the mod community, I mean they develop content and OSS games tend to need a little.
Check out Mechina. Its based on Tribes 2 (ala Torque) and its absolutely amazing.
This would be a great place to start. Models, mapping and scripting are already done, which would leave the rewrite and conversion. Its just begging to be its own game.
One of my pet peeves in the Linux community is all the legacy cruft. I'd much rather not see time and energy spent on a game started 17 years ago.
What about adopting a modification already in development? I came across this Tribes 2 modification (called Mechina, pictures here) and it just blew my mind. They already have textures, mappers, scripting and detailed models. Its almost a total conversion already and as I recall Tribes 2 is based on GarageGames Torque Game Engine SDK which is available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh already.
Check out the link at least, believe me its not just another Tribes 2 game modification. Rewrite the base code, replace the Tribes 2 models and textures and you'd have an amazing game.
I was expecting someone to respond like this but my point was:
I don't think any single thing I've mentioned doesn't already exist. I just doesn't exist in any one place.
Gentoo doesn't have newbie friendly package management (read: point-click), nor are the default applications named sanely, nor does it include unified and consistent desktop management, or consistent and comprehensive configuration utillities. In fact it doesn't have most of the things I'd mentioned.
Accept Nano.
Your either being defensive or argumentative. Neither of which helps anyone.
I think Gentoo is a *great* distro, but it could be revolutionary...
Linux *is* an operating system, because thats what we've been calling it for so long. Everything else at this point is semantic and I'm too old to chase word games. VI is as good a guess at the default notepad as any and thats sort of the point.
I love using Linux. But with as much work as I do sometimes its hard to figure who's using who.
Not trying to flame you or anything. But your Konqueror points are pretty subjective. In the same vein I'd say that Nautilus is the easiest file manager I've ever used. But its all just taste.
What I will say is that KDE has a "clumsy" feel to me. And no matter how configurable it may be I just can't get used to that.
Anyhow, that said I'm glad its available and it seems to work great for you. Kudos.
Disclaimer: I posted this previously here, but the conversation has already fizzled out and I'm sort of hooked on this topic, personally. So in response to the original question:
Do you figure that Linux should just pick a default window manager now and build upon that to allow a seamless interface from those coming from Windows XP to Linux?
I think the KDE/Gnome unification project is a step in that direction (IMHO the right step). Next I'd like to see a list of basic applications that make up the base Linux distribution. NOTHING FANCY. Windows has things like the Notepad, Imaging and the Calculator.
What do you think those applications do? Are they easy to use? Wouldn't just about every user be able to figure out what they are and how you use them?
With Linux Notepad is called VI and in the 4 years I've used Linux I still haven't figured out how to use it. So the first thing I do is install Nano, which I know to do because I've installed Debian (which I uninstalled because the tulip driver that came with it at the time was not compatible with my Linksys ethernet card, which requires the tulip driver, but like a different tulip driver). Of course I need to install Ncurses first because Nano wont install without it. But my system comes with Ncurses, its fairly common. But its the wrong version. So before I edit I install both.
Seems like a lot of work just because the average distribution doesn't think like a light load computer user.
Simple, useful applications like Nano (based on my old good friend, Pico!) are fairly common. It shouldn't be THAT difficult to put together a short list of basic applications that would define the base Linux operating system. Name them SANELY (Nano sounds cute, but it needs to sound something like what it is). Include command line applications and X applications. KISS, but cover your bases. Not with extra apps, just look at Windows if you need to know what your average new user needs. Plan on something going wrong, "you don't need Nano, VidConfigureX will configure that for you!" just doesn't cut it.
Linux configuration is getting pretty close to standardized, why does every distribution contain a custom tool set? I'd like to learn this once and I cant see a good technical reason that I can't. Make one skinnable, so distros can make it fit nicely into their vision, but make it consistent.
Adopt a single installation scheme. Everyone knows VISE and it does the trick. Custom packaging is great, their will always be someone smarter out their with a better way. But I'm a big fan of the Loki installer, because it works and because it looks good and makes me feel like I know what's going on. Those things are important.
I don't think any single thing I've mentioned doesn't already exist. I just doesn't exist in any one place. That's ironic because where talking about market penetration without even talking advantage of what we've already got.
Give me a basic distro with what I've mentioned above. Add a package management system like portage and unite Gnome and KDE and you've got a desktop revolution.
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Real nerds should have most of the parts lying around! (jk)
$54 Geforce 4 mx
$29 5.1 Sound
$99 Clear pc case
$50 Cordless keyboard with built in mouse
$99 120 Gig hard drive
$219 DVD Burner
$43 512 Meg memory
$137 1800 XP AMD / Soyo Dragon MB combo
$25 Zalman cpu cooler
$69 Zalman quiet power supply
$74 +/- Various Case Lighting
$16 Fan controller (slow down!)
$0 OS
$0 Multimedia software
$914!
Coolness factor..priceless.
Plus, on the bright side after your wife/lover/puppy figures out how much this all cost you can remind them that its totally upgradable! Plus you can install next years features an 1/3 the cost (intead of throwing it away)!
VCD's failed here because aside from being lower quality (the MPAA's DVD format) they can hold LESS VIDEO, which is important to those of us who don't like to get up in the middle of a program to swap out cd's.
Ok, so a marshall has the right to execute the warrant. But does that mean you have to allow the BSA onto your property?
I've read ancedotal stories like this before. What I wonder is why (if companies like your friend are really warding them off) aren't there more sites (any) publically debunking the BSA.
But every year Slashdot does this, just like every year everyone bitches.
Frankly, my scales being tipped in the other direction. I'm tired of reading all the bitching about it.
I appreciate what the Slashdot editors are doing and if I don't get/like/understand what they do from time to time I'll still read, happily.
Since when is it adult to celebrate an unjust law being used against someone your not very fond of (that particular moment)? Every once in a while a story like this gets posted and I remember what a mixed up bunch we are.
The driver in Germany was an idiot. If you where using the same system I'd bet you your life earnings you would not drive across an unfamiliar bridge without looking. Seem like in glorious slashdot style we are filled with speculation.
As for the overlay issues you mention I'd bet they figure that out. I'd also be that they won't be supplying one of the units to every trooper, more like a radio man. I'll even go one step further and bet that he won't use it except in situations where visibility is a real issue.
I'm picturing binoculars, with a wireframe overlay. Probably a "you are here" call but not a HUD with markers on friendlies or enemies.
Thanks (nice to get a straight answer to a simple question).
Mplayer is an awesome tool and a big step up towards the desktop.
These anecdotal reviews sound great (I'm using 9.0). My biggest grip with 9.0 was *less* multimedia support. I haven't read many comments about that here. How is it? Does 9.1 include Mplayer? I know they where working on Mozilla support (mailcap, plugger?) for it too, is that working? I know all these packages can be had through various sources (PLF, Cooker) but it always seemed like a glaring oversight not to include them as part of the desktop (this has got to be a fairly big turn-off for new users??).
Anyhow, just curious. If not maybe I'll just wait for PLF to make them available.
I'd have to agree. Computers and technology has come a long way in the past few decades, but you wouldn't know it trying to install debian (not to say you wouldn't *after* installing it). Mandrake takes advantage of a little bit more technology. Some of the basic configuration taken care of for you. I think this is the way it should be. You get a semi-smart working system and you go from there. in 1999 I started using Linux because I wasn't happy with the configurability of Windows. The boon with Mandrake is underneath what gloss its has its just a Linux system. New users get hand holding, old users can forget some of the more menial tasks and super users can go nuts.
Its not perfect, but its good.
They "transport it to an EPA approved recycler" like it says. Of course the real question is what to they do with it, which is covered here in a story aptly title Exporting Harm.
Thats one of the more subjective flames I've experienced lately. I'm glad you enjoy nethack but that doesn't invalidate my view.
That sounds wonderful. Now all we need is simple, consistent and comprehensive configuration utilities, sane application naming, unified desktop management, hardware auto detection/configuration, double-click installation wizard and consistent kernel level support for lazy driver makers and hardware manufacturers.
FWIW, I'm not trying to bash Gentoo here. I only mentioned Gentoo because for a fairly technical distribution it really does seem to have some of these issues worked out.
Want to see a desktop revolution, try a distribution that can compile itself, comes with numerous applications ready *to* install, has easily identified (console and X) default utilities (ala Windows), complete configuration utilities, consistent desktop management, that you can download and install independent second party applications and drivers for - *and* install with a double click. That would give the pc world a shake.
Want to see mass migration to Linux? Give them the power of distributions like Gentoo, in a useable package. I mean who wouldn't want to use Linux, if it could do the things your existing system already does too.
Keep telling yourself that. ;-)
Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I was just eyeballing a possible misunderstanding (we're quick to point sometimes!).
Dont forget LGP's games and Loki's titles.
I'm still playing Tribes 2 with over 60 active tribe members and a dedicated server and website.
Goooooooo Liiinnnuuuxx!
I think their doing it to try to keep things from fizzling out. ID does it because they can (and they kick ass). Loki, well.. And LGP is holding the torch. I think OSS should court the mod community, I mean they develop content and OSS games tend to need a little.
Your are right on the money!
Check out Mechina. Its based on Tribes 2 (ala Torque) and its absolutely amazing.
This would be a great place to start. Models, mapping and scripting are already done, which would leave the rewrite and conversion. Its just begging to be its own game.
Not exactly the test of time as you might be alluding to. More like sentimentality and nostalgia.
But be honest, Pacman was wizbang and graphics!
Pffffft! Enough with the older machines. If their servers don't worry about it. If their workstations donate them to charity.
Loki tried? Well, they did have good programmers, but using them as a disincentive for anything but mismanagement seems a little naive.
Did you read their history? Ouch.
More likely they both recieved the same press release and reprinted it more or less word for word.
One of my pet peeves in the Linux community is all the legacy cruft. I'd much rather not see time and energy spent on a game started 17 years ago.
What about adopting a modification already in development? I came across this Tribes 2 modification (called Mechina, pictures here) and it just blew my mind. They already have textures, mappers, scripting and detailed models. Its almost a total conversion already and as I recall Tribes 2 is based on GarageGames Torque Game Engine SDK which is available for Linux, Windows and Macintosh already.
Check out the link at least, believe me its not just another Tribes 2 game modification. Rewrite the base code, replace the Tribes 2 models and textures and you'd have an amazing game.
Accept Nano.
Your either being defensive or argumentative. Neither of which helps anyone.
I think Gentoo is a *great* distro, but it could be revolutionary...
Linux *is* an operating system, because thats what we've been calling it for so long. Everything else at this point is semantic and I'm too old to chase word games. VI is as good a guess at the default notepad as any and thats sort of the point.
I love using Linux. But with as much work as I do sometimes its hard to figure who's using who.
Not trying to flame you or anything. But your Konqueror points are pretty subjective. In the same vein I'd say that Nautilus is the easiest file manager I've ever used. But its all just taste.
What I will say is that KDE has a "clumsy" feel to me. And no matter how configurable it may be I just can't get used to that.
Anyhow, that said I'm glad its available and it seems to work great for you. Kudos.
What do you think those applications do? Are they easy to use? Wouldn't just about every user be able to figure out what they are and how you use them?
With Linux Notepad is called VI and in the 4 years I've used Linux I still haven't figured out how to use it. So the first thing I do is install Nano, which I know to do because I've installed Debian (which I uninstalled because the tulip driver that came with it at the time was not compatible with my Linksys ethernet card, which requires the tulip driver, but like a different tulip driver). Of course I need to install Ncurses first because Nano wont install without it. But my system comes with Ncurses, its fairly common. But its the wrong version. So before I edit I install both.
Seems like a lot of work just because the average distribution doesn't think like a light load computer user.
Simple, useful applications like Nano (based on my old good friend, Pico!) are fairly common. It shouldn't be THAT difficult to put together a short list of basic applications that would define the base Linux operating system. Name them SANELY (Nano sounds cute, but it needs to sound something like what it is). Include command line applications and X applications. KISS, but cover your bases. Not with extra apps, just look at Windows if you need to know what your average new user needs. Plan on something going wrong, "you don't need Nano, VidConfigureX will configure that for you!" just doesn't cut it.
Linux configuration is getting pretty close to standardized, why does every distribution contain a custom tool set? I'd like to learn this once and I cant see a good technical reason that I can't. Make one skinnable, so distros can make it fit nicely into their vision, but make it consistent.
Adopt a single installation scheme. Everyone knows VISE and it does the trick. Custom packaging is great, their will always be someone smarter out their with a better way. But I'm a big fan of the Loki installer, because it works and because it looks good and makes me feel like I know what's going on. Those things are important.
I don't think any single thing I've mentioned doesn't already exist. I just doesn't exist in any one place. That's ironic because where talking about market penetration without even talking advantage of what we've already got.
Give me a basic distro with what I've mentioned above. Add a package management system like portage and unite Gnome and KDE and you've got a desktop revolution.
Until then its just boys and toys.