Well, point of note, there was only one precinct where people were waiting until 2 AM, which was at a single small college that's kinda out in the boondocks (i have friends who went there), so i'd say that the 8 hr thing was rather anomalous. The large bulk of the problem took place in the cities, and disproportionately in places that had high population density (which happens to also correlate to poorer areas of the cities, and more democratic leaning populations). But even if you ignored the 8 hr waiting time, if you have polling locations where people are waiting between 3 and 5 hours to vote, there is indeed something seriously wrong.
I'd also like to see more information about Noe's wife being involved in the election set up, because that is not something i have ever heard, and i pay a good deal of attention to reputable news sources in ohio. Noe himself was involved in illegal campaigning for Bush/Cheney '04, i know that for a fact.
Regardless, there are some checks and balances in our horribly complicated election system, and i still fault the Ohio Democratic Party for not even going so far as to use the tools that they had available to them.
Finally, i don't think the republicans are going to get burned. I think that some semblance of what passes for sanity around here will return, because the republicans have fucked things up so terribly. That doesn't mean that republicans won't still have power, or that they still won't be able to lie cheat and steal, it just means that they can't do it so brazenly, or so obviously. It's still a winner takes all system.
Hey, preaching to the choir here. I voted for the guy who lost. Hell, i campaigned for the guy who lost. On top of that, i voted for the ballot measures in 2005 that were designed to remove the Secretary of State from the governance of elections. The problem is, and the republicans are right to say this, but the democrats who were to oversee things like the distribution of voting machines totally dropped the ball. I blame the Ohio Democratic Party more than anyone else. Cause i already assume that republican politicians are all crooks.
That's a bunk argument. So many states rights issues have been overruled by the federal court system. And, specifically, there have also been noises made about mandating a federal standard for federal elections. I'm quite sure that principle is not going to win out in this sort of discussion, as in many others.
It can be highly parallelizable. If you have the man-power to staff it. I don't know whether all polling stations can. I'm not arguing that it's a bad way to do it. In fact, i agree, it's hard to forge. (Heck, i'm probably moving to canada in the next year or so, so believe me, i'm not slamming the system)
I do however think that it would be hard to get people to impliment such a system, and i'm trying to give you reasons how people might quibble.
Elections are complicated, even the simple things can get really broken. Again, another example, here in central ohio, polling stations which served a lot of people (the inner city ones) ended up with a severe shortage of voting machines. This is a really easy oversight to fix (which is why there were so many accusations of rigging), but it still went drastically drastically wrong. And i also agree that just using pen and paper might have averted such a stupid problem, but my point is that murphy's law is always in play during events like elections, which have so many moving parts.
That's a really bad way to frame this issue. The answers you get from asking questions like that are always going to be skewed in favor of the point you're trying to get at. I strongly believe however, that when elections are taking place, the pressure being placed on election boards are to make sure the job is done as fast as possible. Correctness of the results is hard to check, and is done infrequently. Speed however, is plainly obvious to everyone.
I guess i would put it this way: This is an issue of sociology and organizational structure, not an issue of how people respond to when polled.
Well, the politics comment was my cyncism getting the better of me...
But let me put it this way. I live in Ohio. There was a precinct upstate who didn't turn their tallies in until 9 am the next morning after the 2004 elections. This made the news, in other counties (such as mine). They were repremanded by state politicians about how this was unacceptable.
This is a silly thing to say. There are massive differences between all candidates. Their policy platforms may not be drastically different, but the character of their administrations, the people they surround themselves with, and the process by which decisions are made are vastly different. Al Gore, and George W. Bush had very similar platforms, but i don't think anyone disagrees that the War on Terror would have turned out very differently had Gore been rightfully installed as president.
I think the problem is the timeliness of getting returns. People want election results fast. So, like everything else in politics they want it fast and easy, not slowly and accurately.
That's not a boolean statement. There are shades of apolitical neutrality. Obviously, the OMB, as a direct branch of the administration is certainly going to feel more pressure than the GAO for instance. That still doesn't mean that all of the research and statistics that come out of the OMB are going to be slanted for political purposes.
That aside, my point about casting linux with in a partisan political still stands. One might be able to cast open source software, in an anti-business light, but that's never fallen clearly into the Democrat/Republican dialectic. More over, i would find it hard not to laugh if someone wanted to claim that Linux was used/supported by more democrats than republicans, or the other way around. The LAMP stack is just not a political entity as it currently stands.
And, fine, so the institution of NASA deals with politics. I'd never contradict that. Again though, it's a cheap shot to claim that their research is politically motivated. Because i think it's pretty clearly not. Their scientists seem quite independent, and fairly vehemently so.
That's a really ridiculous thing to say. The US government is supposed to be set up as a meritocracy. The idea is that there are career beaurocrats who sit in their jobs all of their life, independent of who in power. The branches of government like the GAO, NASA, the President's Office of Management and Budget are all known for this. Not everything that goes on in washington has to do with politics.
And frankly, i find it pretty weird to think that an operating system or software development movement could somehow become identified with a presidency.
But so what? That just means that the Y Combinator isn't for you. That doesn't mean that it's not good for others. I happen to be a recent college graduate, unemployed, and looking for something new to do. Now if i only had an idea for the next killer app;) I don't think the YC is trying to be all things to all people. They're there to serve their purposes.
This would be a terrible idea. What car has an even temperature distribution? All i can imagine are cars whose paint has begun to fade and peel from engine heat, only now, in new shiny colors.
Heh, this is how the eye/brain processes information (vaguely speaking). I wonder if you could argue that that constituted prior art. Guess it'd depends on if you're an Intelligent Design nut.
Now, a much more interesting application of the "Google node in a shipping container" idea can be summed up in one simple word: China. Why wait for the local market to develop the infrastructure you need when you can just drop a box down and then run fiber to it? I'm still dubious though...
Nice thought, but it's not going to happen. And the reason why is that China is extremely wary of companies like Google. The Chinese government is about one thing, and that one thing is control. They're a-okay if you want to run a business in their territory, so long as you knuckle under when they want you to. Google's policies are not concordant with Chinese policy, nor is google willing to subjugate itself to Chinese policy. As a result i find your hypothetical (while good thinking) extremely unlikely. On top of all of that, there is an issue of pride involved in this. As everyone keeps pointing out, it's possible that the internet will some day be Google. China doesn't want this because they don't want their chunk of internet to be run and administered by an american company.
That's not to say that there aren't plenty of unfibered places where such boxes could be deployed. Hopefully attempts to bring Africa into the modern world will allow for projects such as this. India may also be another idea (i'm not entirely aware of what the fiber map of India looks like, nor how well it's connected across the country, but if their connectivity is as varied as poverty and starvation, there's a lot of room to expand still).
How is this fighting this in thier own way? Don't lots of other orgs do this same thing...? Don't they also fight spammers in other ways too? And also, if they're doing this in conjunction with a whole bunch of other people... how is this their own way?:P
No, one could make a case that this is directly in line with the rest of the Grover Norquist school of thought.
From the article: However, at another level, the Pentagon appears to be relaxing slightly: it seems to be loosening its post 9/11 grip on the ideas of private inventors, with the number having patents barred on the grounds of national security halving in the last year.
The Pentagon is blocking patents from the government, but allowing patents to private inventors... i.e. corporations. (this of course assumes that the sorts of patents given to private individuals are on average similar to the stuff the NSA is trying to publish, which may be a safe thing to assume) If you're looking for an ulterior motive, it's really easy to build a case that the Bush admin is trying to give away the government to the rich & powerful.
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Actually, that's interesting, glad to know that there are terms that have been coined for this.
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So, the word MILF has been coined after Ma Bell disappeared, i'm kind of curious... what do you call a Ma who wants to screw you?
1) Because as worried as politicians say they are about voting fraud, they're really not going to do anything serious about it.
2) Depends how much it is fought over. This sounds dangerous enough to vested interests that Congress might even weigh in.
Spirited Away.
It's probably the friendliest for american audiences. (let the flaming begin!)
My Neighbor Totoro is a classic fantastic for kids (and others of course!).
The Princess Mononoke is better for kids who are a little older.
Actually, i think this is a perfect point. My major problem when learning integral calculus was my utter loathing for trigonometric identities (and my inability to remember them) required for solving all sorts of weird integrals. I'm curious how this stuff plays with calculus.
If it does, maybe this'll make my life easier if i ever go back and attempt calculus again.
anyway, reading TFA, hopefully it says something regarding this:)
Discussing racial issues does not make one a racist. Calling blacks undesirables, associating them with criminals, and claiming that people should forced out of the city they lived in simply because of their race makes one a racist.
That is most certainly flamebait.
Do you think black neighborhoods are never bulldozed for upscale, largely white housing? There are thousands of companies litterally looking for an excuse to bulldoze poor neighborhoods and build over them. Their only major obstacle is usually the people living there. This is real. Ignore these facts at your own peril.
I am not ignorant of these facts. I am well aware of these facts. I happen think rehabbing poor neighborhoods is in fact a very important and worthwhile project. However, definitely not by steam rollering people indiscriminately based on race, OR taking advantage of the worst natrual disaster in US history, to kick hurricane and flooding victims collectively in the balls. But that's besides what you're discussing. I called putko out because he's both wrong and a racist. He may think that developers have a hard on for the land that low income housing rests on, but that is in spite of the facts about the land, and the prospects for development in New Orleans. In fact the only reason why he's suggesting that developers might want this land, is because it might be avaliable now that all the "undesirables" have been "forced" off it. I'd wager that putko has no idea what areas of New Orleans are genuinely low income, nor would he know how this corresponds to the flooded areas in New Orleans. He's speculating, and he's doing it based on his prejudices. Again, wrong and racist.
As for my views on race and ethnicity, i most certainly make cultural distinctions. I'm also aware enough to decouple a person's genetics from their cultural upbringing. I'm very aware of cultural problems across the US, particularly in places where there are unspoken elephants in every room. Being aware of these problems is the first step in addressing them. And calling out people who make up shit, and perpetuate lies and falsehoods is and important part of addressing problems and misconceptions.
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Well, point of note, there was only one precinct where people were waiting until 2 AM, which was at a single small college that's kinda out in the boondocks (i have friends who went there), so i'd say that the 8 hr thing was rather anomalous. The large bulk of the problem took place in the cities, and disproportionately in places that had high population density (which happens to also correlate to poorer areas of the cities, and more democratic leaning populations). But even if you ignored the 8 hr waiting time, if you have polling locations where people are waiting between 3 and 5 hours to vote, there is indeed something seriously wrong.
I'd also like to see more information about Noe's wife being involved in the election set up, because that is not something i have ever heard, and i pay a good deal of attention to reputable news sources in ohio. Noe himself was involved in illegal campaigning for Bush/Cheney '04, i know that for a fact.
Regardless, there are some checks and balances in our horribly complicated election system, and i still fault the Ohio Democratic Party for not even going so far as to use the tools that they had available to them.
Finally, i don't think the republicans are going to get burned. I think that some semblance of what passes for sanity around here will return, because the republicans have fucked things up so terribly. That doesn't mean that republicans won't still have power, or that they still won't be able to lie cheat and steal, it just means that they can't do it so brazenly, or so obviously. It's still a winner takes all system.
Hey, preaching to the choir here. I voted for the guy who lost. Hell, i campaigned for the guy who lost. On top of that, i voted for the ballot measures in 2005 that were designed to remove the Secretary of State from the governance of elections. The problem is, and the republicans are right to say this, but the democrats who were to oversee things like the distribution of voting machines totally dropped the ball. I blame the Ohio Democratic Party more than anyone else. Cause i already assume that republican politicians are all crooks.
Out of curiousity, how many people do you have staffing any given election/vote count?
That's a bunk argument. So many states rights issues have been overruled by the federal court system. And, specifically, there have also been noises made about mandating a federal standard for federal elections. I'm quite sure that principle is not going to win out in this sort of discussion, as in many others.
It can be highly parallelizable. If you have the man-power to staff it. I don't know whether all polling stations can. I'm not arguing that it's a bad way to do it. In fact, i agree, it's hard to forge. (Heck, i'm probably moving to canada in the next year or so, so believe me, i'm not slamming the system)
I do however think that it would be hard to get people to impliment such a system, and i'm trying to give you reasons how people might quibble.
Elections are complicated, even the simple things can get really broken. Again, another example, here in central ohio, polling stations which served a lot of people (the inner city ones) ended up with a severe shortage of voting machines. This is a really easy oversight to fix (which is why there were so many accusations of rigging), but it still went drastically drastically wrong. And i also agree that just using pen and paper might have averted such a stupid problem, but my point is that murphy's law is always in play during events like elections, which have so many moving parts.
That's a really bad way to frame this issue. The answers you get from asking questions like that are always going to be skewed in favor of the point you're trying to get at. I strongly believe however, that when elections are taking place, the pressure being placed on election boards are to make sure the job is done as fast as possible. Correctness of the results is hard to check, and is done infrequently. Speed however, is plainly obvious to everyone.
I guess i would put it this way:
This is an issue of sociology and organizational structure, not an issue of how people respond to when polled.
Well, the politics comment was my cyncism getting the better of me...
But let me put it this way. I live in Ohio. There was a precinct upstate who didn't turn their tallies in until 9 am the next morning after the 2004 elections. This made the news, in other counties (such as mine). They were repremanded by state politicians about how this was unacceptable.
This is a silly thing to say. There are massive differences between all candidates. Their policy platforms may not be drastically different, but the character of their administrations, the people they surround themselves with, and the process by which decisions are made are vastly different. Al Gore, and George W. Bush had very similar platforms, but i don't think anyone disagrees that the War on Terror would have turned out very differently had Gore been rightfully installed as president.
I think the problem is the timeliness of getting returns. People want election results fast. So, like everything else in politics they want it fast and easy, not slowly and accurately.
That's not a boolean statement. There are shades of apolitical neutrality. Obviously, the OMB, as a direct branch of the administration is certainly going to feel more pressure than the GAO for instance. That still doesn't mean that all of the research and statistics that come out of the OMB are going to be slanted for political purposes.
That aside, my point about casting linux with in a partisan political still stands. One might be able to cast open source software, in an anti-business light, but that's never fallen clearly into the Democrat/Republican dialectic. More over, i would find it hard not to laugh if someone wanted to claim that Linux was used/supported by more democrats than republicans, or the other way around. The LAMP stack is just not a political entity as it currently stands.
And, fine, so the institution of NASA deals with politics. I'd never contradict that. Again though, it's a cheap shot to claim that their research is politically motivated. Because i think it's pretty clearly not. Their scientists seem quite independent, and fairly vehemently so.
That's a really ridiculous thing to say. The US government is supposed to be set up as a meritocracy. The idea is that there are career beaurocrats who sit in their jobs all of their life, independent of who in power. The branches of government like the GAO, NASA, the President's Office of Management and Budget are all known for this. Not everything that goes on in washington has to do with politics.
And frankly, i find it pretty weird to think that an operating system or software development movement could somehow become identified with a presidency.
But so what? That just means that the Y Combinator isn't for you. That doesn't mean that it's not good for others. I happen to be a recent college graduate, unemployed, and looking for something new to do. Now if i only had an idea for the next killer app ;) I don't think the YC is trying to be all things to all people. They're there to serve their purposes.
This would be a terrible idea. What car has an even temperature distribution? All i can imagine are cars whose paint has begun to fade and peel from engine heat, only now, in new shiny colors.
Heh, this is how the eye/brain processes information (vaguely speaking). I wonder if you could argue that that constituted prior art. Guess it'd depends on if you're an Intelligent Design nut.
Now, a much more interesting application of the "Google node in a shipping container" idea can be summed up in one simple word: China. Why wait for the local market to develop the infrastructure you need when you can just drop a box down and then run fiber to it? I'm still dubious though...
Nice thought, but it's not going to happen. And the reason why is that China is extremely wary of companies like Google. The Chinese government is about one thing, and that one thing is control. They're a-okay if you want to run a business in their territory, so long as you knuckle under when they want you to. Google's policies are not concordant with Chinese policy, nor is google willing to subjugate itself to Chinese policy. As a result i find your hypothetical (while good thinking) extremely unlikely. On top of all of that, there is an issue of pride involved in this. As everyone keeps pointing out, it's possible that the internet will some day be Google. China doesn't want this because they don't want their chunk of internet to be run and administered by an american company.
That's not to say that there aren't plenty of unfibered places where such boxes could be deployed. Hopefully attempts to bring Africa into the modern world will allow for projects such as this. India may also be another idea (i'm not entirely aware of what the fiber map of India looks like, nor how well it's connected across the country, but if their connectivity is as varied as poverty and starvation, there's a lot of room to expand still).
How is this fighting this in thier own way? Don't lots of other orgs do this same thing...? Don't they also fight spammers in other ways too? And also, if they're doing this in conjunction with a whole bunch of other people... how is this their own way? :P
No, one could make a case that this is directly in line with the rest of the Grover Norquist school of thought.
From the article:
However, at another level, the Pentagon appears to be relaxing slightly: it seems to be loosening its post 9/11 grip on the ideas of private inventors, with the number having patents barred on the grounds of national security halving in the last year.
The Pentagon is blocking patents from the government, but allowing patents to private inventors... i.e. corporations. (this of course assumes that the sorts of patents given to private individuals are on average similar to the stuff the NSA is trying to publish, which may be a safe thing to assume) If you're looking for an ulterior motive, it's really easy to build a case that the Bush admin is trying to give away the government to the rich & powerful.
Actually, that's interesting, glad to know that there are terms that have been coined for this.
So, the word MILF has been coined after Ma Bell disappeared, i'm kind of curious... what do you call a Ma who wants to screw you?
1) Because as worried as politicians say they are about voting fraud, they're really not going to do anything serious about it. 2) Depends how much it is fought over. This sounds dangerous enough to vested interests that Congress might even weigh in.
Well, this would be difficult for a Miami-based lawyer, because Scott Ramsoomair is a Toronto-based Canadian :P
I neglected to mention Laputa (aka "Castle in the Sky"), that one is also up there with Spirited Away imo.
you know you can find these all via IMDB.
Spirited Away. It's probably the friendliest for american audiences. (let the flaming begin!) My Neighbor Totoro is a classic fantastic for kids (and others of course!). The Princess Mononoke is better for kids who are a little older.
Actually, i think this is a perfect point. My major problem when learning integral calculus was my utter loathing for trigonometric identities (and my inability to remember them) required for solving all sorts of weird integrals. I'm curious how this stuff plays with calculus. If it does, maybe this'll make my life easier if i ever go back and attempt calculus again. anyway, reading TFA, hopefully it says something regarding this :)
Discussing racial issues does not make one a racist. Calling blacks undesirables, associating them with criminals, and claiming that people should forced out of the city they lived in simply because of their race makes one a racist.
That is most certainly flamebait.
Do you think black neighborhoods are never bulldozed for upscale, largely white housing? There are thousands of companies litterally looking for an excuse to bulldoze poor neighborhoods and build over them. Their only major obstacle is usually the people living there. This is real. Ignore these facts at your own peril.
I am not ignorant of these facts. I am well aware of these facts. I happen think rehabbing poor neighborhoods is in fact a very important and worthwhile project. However, definitely not by steam rollering people indiscriminately based on race, OR taking advantage of the worst natrual disaster in US history, to kick hurricane and flooding victims collectively in the balls. But that's besides what you're discussing. I called putko out because he's both wrong and a racist. He may think that developers have a hard on for the land that low income housing rests on, but that is in spite of the facts about the land, and the prospects for development in New Orleans. In fact the only reason why he's suggesting that developers might want this land, is because it might be avaliable now that all the "undesirables" have been "forced" off it. I'd wager that putko has no idea what areas of New Orleans are genuinely low income, nor would he know how this corresponds to the flooded areas in New Orleans. He's speculating, and he's doing it based on his prejudices. Again, wrong and racist.
As for my views on race and ethnicity, i most certainly make cultural distinctions. I'm also aware enough to decouple a person's genetics from their cultural upbringing. I'm very aware of cultural problems across the US, particularly in places where there are unspoken elephants in every room. Being aware of these problems is the first step in addressing them. And calling out people who make up shit, and perpetuate lies and falsehoods is and important part of addressing problems and misconceptions.