I respect their right to make a living by selling their productions.
You could reword that "...make a living by being paid the licensing fees required by their government mandated monopolies."
Why not get a job and just by whatever media you like.
Because the only thing I have ever pirated does not appear to be available in the country in which I live. Is that a good reason? If they do not have a mechanism for me to pay them, they can hardly complain about not being paid.
LOTS of chash is being injected by Google, Sun, IBM, MS, so purity (whatever it is) is now over.
Not having cash put into it has NEVER been an aim of Linux, or of open source in general.
In the case of Google, Sun and IBM their interests are aligned with improving Linux. On the other hand MS can only lose if Linux improves (and increased interoperability with the dominant OS would be an improvement), so it is reasonable to expect that they are somehow trying to damage Linux - it makes no sense for them to do anything else.
So what you want to do is to take other people's contributions to an open source project and include them in proprietary software?
The point of the GPL is to give all contributors a guarantee that their work will not be used in that way. Maybe some of them would not have contributed if they expected you to use it in closed software?
I think the lesson here is that contributors to BSD licensed projects should be aware not only that third parties might create a proprietary fork, but that the original developers might do the same.
The underlying problem, and the reason that people use the term free market without asking free for whom? Even from the narrow view point of maximising GDP, the important freedom is that of consumers to choose.
The people running these companies always espouse the advantages of the free market
Well, what they are asking for is the freedom to use their market power in one service to promote certain other services and block others others: very similar behaviour to a monopolist bundling products with the one they have a monopoly in. Is that a free market? I would define a free market as one in which consumers are free to choose, and competitors are free to enter the market.
Hey-- next time you want to go out for a steak dinner, give the money to a poor guy so he can eat instead. Don't buy any fancy clothes, a car, or a house, because that money would be better served being given to the poor.
Yes, that would be an extremely good thing to do. There is a word for people who behave in that way: saint.
In case you are still not understanding, what you have just stated is another example of the altruistic moralism fallacy.
I don't get to use a developed and tested software solution and the open source community doesn't get any derived work I may have come up with based upon that solution
Which is not consistent with:
Yes I am not willing to accept the GPL
If you are not willing to accept the GPL, which essentially says you must contribute back your derived work if you redistribute it, then you are not willing to contribute back, so how could the open source community benefit from your work?
I am not willing because it can infect software that I do not have the rights to.
It cannot for the simple reason that you cannot change the licensing terms unless you have the rights. If you mix GPL code with non-GPL code you are simply in breach of the copyright on the GPL code.
There are alrady FTP clients that download different pieces of the same file from different servers. The only thing P2P does well is hide content, and destination.
P2P spreads the load much more widely, and with less effort.
I cannot run an FTP server over my NATed ADSL connection, but when I use bit-torrent I can see uploads happening.
FTP only spreads the load to those who deliberately mirror you. P2P spreads the load over everyone who is downloading.
How do you explain the fact that P2P (bittorrent especially) is used when there is no need to hide anything (Linux distros, Jamendo, etc.)?
Now, we've got the internet. We've got a half-dozen game consoles. We've got cable and satellite television, dirt-cheap movies and music available for purchase
How are any of those going to make it into a household without parental consent? All parents need to do is refrain from buying things that may be harmful.
They'll invade your country and enslave your people.
Oh wait, they already did that.
The Japanese I mean, not the US.. although......
The Japanese did it earlier, but the US now has a patent on it. The US courts have discounted an Assyrian claim to prior art because it lacked written documentation (clay tablets do not count).
I am impressed that it works on a Mac as well (does it work on Windows btw?)! This shows that I have low expectations of software, rather than that Linux works less well.
Saying that it has worked in Macs since the 1980s is a but of an unfair comparison: Linux only appared in the 1990s. KDE and Gnome in the late 1990s. Desktop Linux matured more recently than Mac, but what matters is how well it works now.
Macs (although undoubtedly good) are far from perfect: For example, lots of Mac users cannot figure out how to produce a PDF. Having it as a print option may seem intuitive to geeks, but not to the rest of the world. It also seems to lack the configurability of KDE (or even Gnome). AFAIK it does not have anything as convenient as Linux repos for installing software (please correct me if I am wrong).
That is impressive. I would never have expected it to work.
Attempting to paste the same into Kmail gets you an option to attach it instead.
Selecting it with Klipper converts it to text (so it goes into Kmail as plain text, not an attachment) and it can no longer be pasted into Gimp. Not so good, but not so bad either.
If you are really good at maths, and if you like programming (good odds on that given where you are programming), then consider becoming a quant.
Lots of money, tough maths, and as secure as high-flying financial sector jobs are because demand for those skills is likely to keep increasing in the long term.
3) Admin functions are disabled because you're supposed to log in as administrator.
Another Ubuntu problem: deliberately disabled.
As for his problem 2), stuff does tend to break on Ubuntu version upgrades. If you want stability you need to stick to the LTS versions: Ubuntu should really call other versions unstable.
I think Ubuntu is over-rated. I am considering switching back to Mandriva. Overall I have found Ubuntu to be more work, have unsatisfactory admin tools (especially Kubuntu), and be less reliable. The big plus with Ubuntu are the repos and the forums, but if Mandriva is otherwise good I will happily pay up for Mandriva Club which should offset that disadvantage.
1) I took a screenshot with KSnapshot (copying to the clipboard) and pasted it into open office. No problem.
2) I copied a URL from Firefox and pasted it into Epiphany. Worked fine.
3) I know from experience that highlight followed by right click works from any text in any app.
4) I copied some text from Epiphany to Open Office and pasted it. Both formatting and hyperlinks were preserved.
What exactly does not work? This is this just FUD, or is there some problem I have just been incredibly lucky not to have encountered in 6 years of using Linux?
Windows is fine in an office environment, with IT there to fix things.
However:
1) Making Windows secure requires work and knowledge 2) When things go wrong they can be hard to fix, and even when fixed they have a tendency to mysteriously go wrong again. 3) Software is hard to find, install and update. There are no repositories of software that is safe (not malware), will install with a click, and will all be auto updated.
In short: there is no OS that is really suitable for the home, and there are at least some ways in which Linux is better than the competition.
Usability: I used to use Mandrake at home and Windows at work. Every time I had a problem with Mandrake and though "maybe Windows would be better" I would soon have a worse problem with Windows.
Codecs: There are instructions on how to install the extra codecs. Its the first thing most people do after installing Ubuntu: its very much a one off.
CUPS: I agree, but GUI tools for managing it are getting better.
They could be honest about and tell customers that they throttle traffic.
They could also charge for transfer used above an allowance (as most hosting companies do).
No, they want to carry on pretending that they are providing a service that they are actually not providing so that all the suckers (also called customers) will be willing to pay for higher bandwidth. If they realised that supposedly higher bandwidth services would just improve page download times a little bit, most people would be quite happy with sticking to the cheapest 1mbps ADSL they can get.
BTW, in India, Dell is offering laptops with the option of having no OS pre-installed. My colleague got one a few months back and saved about Rs. 3,000 (about 75 US$)
OK the good PR for Linux might be damaging for MS, but it is a lot more damaging for both mainframe sales and proprietary Unix.
Incidentally, I used to work for a vendor of trading systems to stock exchanges. They went from being Solaris only, to any Unix or Linux. In practice, everyone goes for either Solaris or Linux. The smaller new clients all go for Linux.
At the same time they have been getting bigger and bigger clients, so they may now be displacing mainframes as well. My clients were all small, so I am not sure what is happening at that end of the market.
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You could reword that "...make a living by being paid the licensing fees required by their government mandated monopolies."
Because the only thing I have ever pirated does not appear to be available in the country in which I live. Is that a good reason? If they do not have a mechanism for me to pay them, they can hardly complain about not being paid.
Not having cash put into it has NEVER been an aim of Linux, or of open source in general.
In the case of Google, Sun and IBM their interests are aligned with improving Linux. On the other hand MS can only lose if Linux improves (and increased interoperability with the dominant OS would be an improvement), so it is reasonable to expect that they are somehow trying to damage Linux - it makes no sense for them to do anything else.
So what you want to do is to take other people's contributions to an open source project and include them in proprietary software?
The point of the GPL is to give all contributors a guarantee that their work will not be used in that way. Maybe some of them would not have contributed if they expected you to use it in closed software?
I think the lesson here is that contributors to BSD licensed projects should be aware not only that third parties might create a proprietary fork, but that the original developers might do the same.
The underlying problem, and the reason that people use the term free market without asking free for whom? Even from the narrow view point of maximising GDP, the important freedom is that of consumers to choose.
A web browser executable (and all its other files) belonging to an ordinary user, sounds like great security practice!
Well, what they are asking for is the freedom to use their market power in one service to promote certain other services and block others others: very similar behaviour to a monopolist bundling products with the one they have a monopoly in. Is that a free market? I would define a free market as one in which consumers are free to choose, and competitors are free to enter the market.
No, it is like suggesting that a person with a drivers license is likely to be a better driver than a person who does not have a drivers license.
I cannot run an FTP server over my NATed ADSL connection, but when I use bit-torrent I can see uploads happening.
FTP only spreads the load to those who deliberately mirror you. P2P spreads the load over everyone who is downloading.
How do you explain the fact that P2P (bittorrent especially) is used when there is no need to hide anything (Linux distros, Jamendo, etc.)?
So how will using technology to spy on children (which is what the thread was about) help with that?
I am impressed that it works on a Mac as well (does it work on Windows btw?)! This shows that I have low expectations of software, rather than that Linux works less well.
Saying that it has worked in Macs since the 1980s is a but of an unfair comparison: Linux only appared in the 1990s. KDE and Gnome in the late 1990s. Desktop Linux matured more recently than Mac, but what matters is how well it works now.
Macs (although undoubtedly good) are far from perfect: For example, lots of Mac users cannot figure out how to produce a PDF. Having it as a print option may seem intuitive to geeks, but not to the rest of the world. It also seems to lack the configurability of KDE (or even Gnome). AFAIK it does not have anything as convenient as Linux repos for installing software (please correct me if I am wrong).
It works. From OO Spreadsheet to Gimp.
That is impressive. I would never have expected it to work.
Attempting to paste the same into Kmail gets you an option to attach it instead.
Selecting it with Klipper converts it to text (so it goes into Kmail as plain text, not an attachment) and it can no longer be pasted into Gimp. Not so good, but not so bad either.
Lots of money, tough maths, and as secure as high-flying financial sector jobs are because demand for those skills is likely to keep increasing in the long term.
As for his problem 2), stuff does tend to break on Ubuntu version upgrades. If you want stability you need to stick to the LTS versions: Ubuntu should really call other versions unstable.
I think Ubuntu is over-rated. I am considering switching back to Mandriva. Overall I have found Ubuntu to be more work, have unsatisfactory admin tools (especially Kubuntu), and be less reliable. The big plus with Ubuntu are the repos and the forums, but if Mandriva is otherwise good I will happily pay up for Mandriva Club which should offset that disadvantage.
I decided to test the truth of your claim:
1) I took a screenshot with KSnapshot (copying to the clipboard) and pasted it into open office. No problem.
2) I copied a URL from Firefox and pasted it into Epiphany. Worked fine.
3) I know from experience that highlight followed by right click works from any text in any app.
4) I copied some text from Epiphany to Open Office and pasted it. Both formatting and hyperlinks were preserved.
What exactly does not work? This is this just FUD, or is there some problem I have just been incredibly lucky not to have encountered in 6 years of using Linux?
You could say the same for Windows:
Windows is fine in an office environment, with IT there to fix things.
However:
1) Making Windows secure requires work and knowledge
2) When things go wrong they can be hard to fix, and even when fixed they have a tendency to mysteriously go wrong again.
3) Software is hard to find, install and update. There are no repositories of software that is safe (not malware), will install with a click, and will all be auto updated.
In short: there is no OS that is really suitable for the home, and there are at least some ways in which Linux is better than the competition.
They meant to say "What Bill Wants from Open Source Developers in a Software License"
Usability: I used to use Mandrake at home and Windows at work. Every time I had a problem with Mandrake and though "maybe Windows would be better" I would soon have a worse problem with Windows.
Codecs: There are instructions on how to install the extra codecs. Its the first thing most people do after installing Ubuntu: its very much a one off.
CUPS: I agree, but GUI tools for managing it are getting better.
They could be honest about and tell customers that they throttle traffic.
They could also charge for transfer used above an allowance (as most hosting companies do).
No, they want to carry on pretending that they are providing a service that they are actually not providing so that all the suckers (also called customers) will be willing to pay for higher bandwidth. If they realised that supposedly higher bandwidth services would just improve page download times a little bit, most people would be quite happy with sticking to the cheapest 1mbps ADSL they can get.
If you look at the list of LinuxTag sponsors, they certainly do care about their botton lines.
Of course, the argument that the boycott will do more harm than good is valid.
If you refuse to deal with people like this, it rules out promoting Linux to most governments.
OK the good PR for Linux might be damaging for MS, but it is a lot more damaging for both mainframe sales and proprietary Unix.
Incidentally, I used to work for a vendor of trading systems to stock exchanges. They went from being Solaris only, to any Unix or Linux. In practice, everyone goes for either Solaris or Linux. The smaller new clients all go for Linux.
At the same time they have been getting bigger and bigger clients, so they may now be displacing mainframes as well. My clients were all small, so I am not sure what is happening at that end of the market.