In that light, Phoenix is actually the first step in the very process you're describing.
I hope so. What I'd really like to see is a Netscape light of something based on Phoenix. While I like the whole mozilla thing, I think it's too late for Netscape to compete with MS on a platform level(leave that up to the open source guys with moz). One complaint about Netscape it it's bloatedness and slow start up speeds. If Netscape wants to gain back some ground from MS, they need a fast, light weight, and powerful browser. They already have the last part, and the first once to thing gets started, but that middle one(light weight) is one where they they fail horribly.
From the looks of it, the browser just seems like they took out the navigator part of Mozilla, and optimized it for speed, while keeping it Mozilla(not like Chimera, Galeon, and K-meleon that use thier native OS environments to gain speed). IF they can do this to navigator, why can't they just do it to all the parts like this and bundle them together. I know that there is the whole platform thing, but for Netscape, it looks like Pheonix is the way to go.
I've used LFS before to build my own personal distro, and it's a great resource. With basic knowledge of Linux and how to compile, LFS can allow you to make your very own distro.
My parets were thinking of getting one of those $199 Lindows machines to replace their 7 year old Windows 95 box. The only problem is that the click and run is $99 a year and subject to go up. If they're so cheap that they still have a pentium 120 with Windows 95, I don't think they'll pay $99-$129 a year for software, especially since most of the software they still use came with the computer or was downloaded for free. While they may eventually figure out how to download stuff for free and install, I don't want them t rely on this sometimes shaky method.
There best bet would probably be apt-get, and it's not all that hard, but it still may be out of their league. The article mentioned a program called Synaptic, and said it was a GUI front-end to apt-get. While I don't expect it to be as refined as click-n-run, how easily could it be used by rather computer illiterate people(assuming I installed it and set it up for them)?
My old G3 iMac doesn't have a fan, and I haven't had any problems with it "running hot," and I think these transmeta chips aremore enrgy efficient than a G3.
The 16mb on the ATI Rage in my iMac still works okay. My mom doesn't really seem to notice to 1 MB card she has when she plays solitare or C&C: Red Alert(the old one, but she doen't usually get the latest games).
044 Info) The "savings of backward compatabiltiy is a myth. How many people do you know that run any DOS programs? Dang few I bet.
Your right, very few people run DOS apps today, but this is several years after the death of DOS. In the DOS to Windows transition there were many people running DOS apps. Backwards compatibility is the a major reason why Windows and x86 is still around.
But if they would release it under an open source license, the best of Solaris could be mixed with the best of Linux. Not to mention one of the real unixes as open source would be neat.
It's funny how easy it is to make most Unixes stable. You don't have to do anything really
Yeah, Mac OS X is probably the most stable OS I've used. I used to dual boot with Linux on the computer that has that unpatched version of Windows 95 on it. It was a bit less stable that Mac OS X is for me now, and most of that unstability was X11 running on a crappy unsupported video card.
Let's all be nice to this guy. When he sees us as friends, we can invite him to a big Slashdot party, then we beat the crap out of him while we're playing our pirated music.
While child pornography should be stopped, this isn't the way to do it. We read articles every day about creative ne censorship and DRM, and the worst thing about these things is that they open the door to a new world of restricted freedoms. A lot of these new restictions won't hurt our freedom in their current state, but it's when the get twisted into a new form that they will become dangerous.
Well they can't fool everyone. My mom's computer still has the original(pre-A, B, and C) Windows 95 on her computer. Sure it crashed three or four times a day from light web browsing and playing solitaire, but at least it doesn't have any of those evil service packs.
Disclaimer: I'm not really trolling, I'm just giving a real world example.
Microsoft has just released the second service pack for Windows XP, and it contains fixes for all the complaints. In effort to address problems about security andstability, the new service pack also installs the Linux kernel in place of the NT kernel. To allow users fix other problems themself, all Windows source code will be placed in C:\Windows\Source Code
I gave my lego men some parts that included a gig of RAM, a 120 gig HD, and a top of the line P4, and they gave my a 286 with 640k RAM, and a 20 meg HD. I tried to take them to small claims court, but it was thrown out since I did everything through word of mouth, and had nothing in writing, so just be careful with these people.
I am running OSX, it came preinstalled. It runs quite well in case you were wondering. OSX likes a lot of RAM, not necesarily a high clock speed, and with 256 mb, it works great.
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In that light, Phoenix is actually the first step in the very process you're describing.
I hope so. What I'd really like to see is a Netscape light of something based on Phoenix. While I like the whole mozilla thing, I think it's too late for Netscape to compete with MS on a platform level(leave that up to the open source guys with moz). One complaint about Netscape it it's bloatedness and slow start up speeds. If Netscape wants to gain back some ground from MS, they need a fast, light weight, and powerful browser. They already have the last part, and the first once to thing gets started, but that middle one(light weight) is one where they they fail horribly.
Perhaps this is finally a solution that is as reliable (hmm) as the MS browser
Please don't make Mozilla as reliable as IE, It's to young to die already.
From the looks of it, the browser just seems like they took out the navigator part of Mozilla, and optimized it for speed, while keeping it Mozilla(not like Chimera, Galeon, and K-meleon that use thier native OS environments to gain speed). IF they can do this to navigator, why can't they just do it to all the parts like this and bundle them together. I know that there is the whole platform thing, but for Netscape, it looks like Pheonix is the way to go.
I've used LFS before to build my own personal distro, and it's a great resource. With basic knowledge of Linux and how to compile, LFS can allow you to make your very own distro.
My parets were thinking of getting one of those $199 Lindows machines to replace their 7 year old Windows 95 box. The only problem is that the click and run is $99 a year and subject to go up. If they're so cheap that they still have a pentium 120 with Windows 95, I don't think they'll pay $99-$129 a year for software, especially since most of the software they still use came with the computer or was downloaded for free. While they may eventually figure out how to download stuff for free and install, I don't want them t rely on this sometimes shaky method.
There best bet would probably be apt-get, and it's not all that hard, but it still may be out of their league. The article mentioned a program called Synaptic, and said it was a GUI front-end to apt-get. While I don't expect it to be as refined as click-n-run, how easily could it be used by rather computer illiterate people(assuming I installed it and set it up for them)?
My old G3 iMac doesn't have a fan, and I haven't had any problems with it "running hot," and I think these transmeta chips aremore enrgy efficient than a G3.
The 16mb on the ATI Rage in my iMac still works okay. My mom doesn't really seem to notice to 1 MB card she has when she plays solitare or C&C: Red Alert(the old one, but she doen't usually get the latest games).
044 Info) The "savings of backward compatabiltiy is a myth. How many people do you know that run any DOS programs? Dang few I bet.
Your right, very few people run DOS apps today, but this is several years after the death of DOS. In the DOS to Windows transition there were many people running DOS apps. Backwards compatibility is the a major reason why Windows and x86 is still around.
But if they would release it under an open source license, the best of Solaris could be mixed with the best of Linux. Not to mention one of the real unixes as open source would be neat.
Nonetheless, it is great to see Sun contributing back to the community.
Now let's see if we can get the to contibute Solaris to the community.
That may be why Sun is getting rid of it.
Sun is basically "arming the rebels" so they can better fight Microsoft. Even though they may have other motives, it's nice of them anyway.
It's funny how easy it is to make most Unixes stable. You don't have to do anything really
Yeah, Mac OS X is probably the most stable OS I've used. I used to dual boot with Linux on the computer that has that unpatched version of Windows 95 on it. It was a bit less stable that Mac OS X is for me now, and most of that unstability was X11 running on a crappy unsupported video card.
Let's all be nice to this guy. When he sees us as friends, we can invite him to a big Slashdot party, then we beat the crap out of him while we're playing our pirated music.
While child pornography should be stopped, this isn't the way to do it. We read articles every day about creative ne censorship and DRM, and the worst thing about these things is that they open the door to a new world of restricted freedoms. A lot of these new restictions won't hurt our freedom in their current state, but it's when the get twisted into a new form that they will become dangerous.
Imagine how many hours you could get with a Beowulf cluster of these!
That's not a typo, it was intentional.
Of course I speek French.
I really did know what that means.
Quite looking at me like that
Okay it was a typo.
Well they can't fool everyone. My mom's computer still has the original(pre-A, B, and C) Windows 95 on her computer. Sure it crashed three or four times a day from light web browsing and playing solitaire, but at least it doesn't have any of those evil service packs.
Disclaimer: I'm not really trolling, I'm just giving a real world example.
Microsoft has just released the second service pack for Windows XP, and it contains fixes for all the complaints. In effort to address problems about security andstability, the new service pack also installs the Linux kernel in place of the NT kernel. To allow users fix other problems themself, all Windows source code will be placed in C:\Windows\Source Code
I gave my lego men some parts that included a gig of RAM, a 120 gig HD, and a top of the line P4, and they gave my a 286 with 640k RAM, and a 20 meg HD. I tried to take them to small claims court, but it was thrown out since I did everything through word of mouth, and had nothing in writing, so just be careful with these people.
Why isn't there more Mac warez? I had a hell of time finding Office v.X
Don't worry it was a joke.
Most distributions should have 2.6 a couple months after it is released, and Debian will have it by 2012.
I'm still waiting on the original pre-HFS Mac file system to be incorporated.
Good luck running osx on that G3 imac
I am running OSX, it came preinstalled. It runs quite well in case you were wondering. OSX likes a lot of RAM, not necesarily a high clock speed, and with 256 mb, it works great.