On the contrary, if you re-read my post, the put-down was directed squarely at Kaillera.
Once again, it's really too bad that you need to resort to insults to make a point. Your posts are perfect examples of the types of accusations and attacks that I described in my first post.
It's not that Mac users are confused because they can't find a Mac version, it's that they're confused why one isn't offered, given the open-source nature of MAME.
Ah...and there you said it yourself. Right there...look again...I'll wait...
You said "given the open-source nature of MAME". That's right MAME, NOT Kaillera. Any source code changes in relation to the MAME project are posted will full downloadability. Kaillera is a closed source project, much like most of MacOS itself.
MAME users, whatever the operating system, usually realize that even though MAME itself is an open source project, not everything is. The source code for most frequently used programs on most operating systems is closed. Do NOT make the mistake of trying to push your license on anyone else.
It's a subtle - but important - difference that would not exist if the Kaillera library were also open-source. That's the real shame here.
Now here's the kicker...go look around sourceforge, freshmeat, etc. There are hundreds of pieces of software that are open source that DO NOT have a Mac port. Perhaps instead of trying to persuade us to open-souce Kaillera, you could put that energy into porting more of the readily available software that is out there.
We have nothing against Mac's and their users, we just don't offer a version of Kaillera for them at this time. Shame you had to put down Mac users in order to get your point across. If not seeing a download for Mac on the download page confused a Mac user, perhaps they should switch to Windows.;)
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First and foremost, the page that contains the version of MAME32K that we "redistribute" DOES have the full source code changes quite visibly available.
Let me move on to the next point. Kaillera is NOT, I repeat, NOT MAME32K. Kaillera is a client/server application and.dll that allow programs to communicate over the internet that normally would not do so. Emulation is the MOST NATURAL application of the Kaillera solution due to the popularity of arcade/console games, and the interest that people have in playing against real people, instead of the computer.
You have stated: GPL would probably help here to force the source changes open, or to end the development of these particular derivative works.
This is a closed-minded view at the effects of moving to the GPL. The simple fact is that true open sourcing of a program with as much interest as MAME would bring more interest to its cousins. Frequently, Kaillera has been attacked by people that have no idea how the open source licensing works. We have also been attacked by MAMEDev members who were instantly jealous at the attention that we commanded when we released new versions of the Kaillera client. This took downloads away from the core MAME project and brought them to our derivitive, MAME32K. Most of the verbal attacks that we have suffered have subsided as people began to realize that we brought people and interest to the MAME project.
-soulctcher
(On a more personal note: It does dissapoint me that someone as involved with MAME as you, Gridle, would not do a little homework before tossing accusations towards Kaillera.)
I've not had many problems with my linksys since the VERY early firmware. As far as the UDP packet issue, you may be right. I mod http://www.kaillera.com/'s forums, [the Kaillera client/server software allows gaming programs, mainly emulators, to communicate over the net, though they normally wouldn't].
During the early stages, we had more and more people telling us that they were having problems accessing the servers in Kaillera. The connection protocol happens to be UDP.
The problem was, I was fine, as were a number of others that use(d) the linksys routers. Our suggestion was to upgrade the firmware or to just DMZ the router, which worked 90% of the time. For many people, that worked. Over the almost two years now, the problems w/the router have almost completely dissapeared.
...nobody has yet said whether the smallest elf is executable or not? I would imagine that unless he's a water bear, we're probably still going to be able to execute him.
It makes julien fries in 3.2 seconds! It can make coffee, take out the trash, watch your kids, and surf the internet. It has approximately 3,256,982 ring tones, can sing 5 songs at once, vibrate, flash, and jump up and down when someone calls. It has SMS, PMS, EMS, EPT, DMCA, and ET! You can connect via cellular modem, wireless internet, bluetooth, sabertooth, and root canal! All this and more for only $500!
I had to put that there. I'm American myself, but I know that there are alot of morons in the world in general. To act as if people out there really know about Egypt would be naive. Had to be done...
"06/13 15:16 GMT by M: Please consider the fact that Blizzard is suing people who write software to interoperate with theirs when deciding whether you want to purchase this game."
Is that really necessary for reporting a story? Shouldn't this be an objective report?
Just to add to that, if you've got any VP's or Directors, you should do that for them as well. Basically, our company has a gold card system. If you're important enough, you get one of these virtual gold cards. Anyone with one of them comes before anyone else without one.
It's pretty simple to tell Joe Schmo the filing guy that his screensaver issue comes behind Mr. VP's crashed hard drive.
I actually posted that, I'll admit it. If you go up one level, you'll get quite an interresting website that talks about some of the guy's other projects as well. A good read.
For the uninitiated, here's the url to the guy's art projects sections...including the wooden mirror:
http://fargo.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~danny/art.html
Slashdot Mirror
On the contrary, if you re-read my post, the put-down was directed squarely at Kaillera.
Once again, it's really too bad that you need to resort to insults to make a point. Your posts are perfect examples of the types of accusations and attacks that I described in my first post.
It's not that Mac users are confused because they can't find a Mac version, it's that they're confused why one isn't offered, given the open-source nature of MAME.
Ah...and there you said it yourself. Right there...look again...I'll wait...
You said "given the open-source nature of MAME". That's right MAME, NOT Kaillera. Any source code changes in relation to the MAME project are posted will full downloadability. Kaillera is a closed source project, much like most of MacOS itself.
MAME users, whatever the operating system, usually realize that even though MAME itself is an open source project, not everything is. The source code for most frequently used programs on most operating systems is closed. Do NOT make the mistake of trying to push your license on anyone else.
It's a subtle - but important - difference that would not exist if the Kaillera library were also open-source. That's the real shame here.
Now here's the kicker...go look around sourceforge, freshmeat, etc. There are hundreds of pieces of software that are open source that DO NOT have a Mac port. Perhaps instead of trying to persuade us to open-souce Kaillera, you could put that energy into porting more of the readily available software that is out there.
We have nothing against Mac's and their users, we just don't offer a version of Kaillera for them at this time. Shame you had to put down Mac users in order to get your point across. If not seeing a download for Mac on the download page confused a Mac user, perhaps they should switch to Windows. ;)
First and foremost, the page that contains the version of MAME32K that we "redistribute" DOES have the full source code changes quite visibly available.
.dll that allow programs to communicate over the internet that normally would not do so. Emulation is the MOST NATURAL application of the Kaillera solution due to the popularity of arcade/console games, and the interest that people have in playing against real people, instead of the computer.
Let me move on to the next point. Kaillera is NOT, I repeat, NOT MAME32K. Kaillera is a client/server application and
You have stated: GPL would probably help here to force the source changes open, or to end the development of these particular derivative works.
This is a closed-minded view at the effects of moving to the GPL. The simple fact is that true open sourcing of a program with as much interest as MAME would bring more interest to its cousins. Frequently, Kaillera has been attacked by people that have no idea how the open source licensing works. We have also been attacked by MAMEDev members who were instantly jealous at the attention that we commanded when we released new versions of the Kaillera client. This took downloads away from the core MAME project and brought them to our derivitive, MAME32K. Most of the verbal attacks that we have suffered have subsided as people began to realize that we brought people and interest to the MAME project.
-soulctcher
(On a more personal note: It does dissapoint me that someone as involved with MAME as you, Gridle, would not do a little homework before tossing accusations towards Kaillera.)
I've not had many problems with my linksys since the VERY early firmware. As far as the UDP packet issue, you may be right. I mod http://www.kaillera.com/'s forums, [the Kaillera client/server software allows gaming programs, mainly emulators, to communicate over the net, though they normally wouldn't].
During the early stages, we had more and more people telling us that they were having problems accessing the servers in Kaillera. The connection protocol happens to be UDP.
The problem was, I was fine, as were a number of others that use(d) the linksys routers. Our suggestion was to upgrade the firmware or to just DMZ the router, which worked 90% of the time. For many people, that worked. Over the almost two years now, the problems w/the router have almost completely dissapeared.
...nobody has yet said whether the smallest elf is executable or not? I would imagine that unless he's a water bear, we're probably still going to be able to execute him.
"After reading an the article..." Something seems stragely odd about that grammar... eh...I am not care about it.
Of course it takes that long to clear the dinner table. Look how short they are!
It makes julien fries in 3.2 seconds! It can make coffee, take out the trash, watch your kids, and surf the internet. It has approximately 3,256,982 ring tones, can sing 5 songs at once, vibrate, flash, and jump up and down when someone calls. It has SMS, PMS, EMS, EPT, DMCA, and ET! You can connect via cellular modem, wireless internet, bluetooth, sabertooth, and root canal! All this and more for only $500!
But I phone that lets you talk to someone.
I had to put that there. I'm American myself, but I know that there are alot of morons in the world in general. To act as if people out there really know about Egypt would be naive. Had to be done...
Doesn't matter whether it is CNET, /., NBC, or my backyard. If you're reporting a story, make your slant a part of the discussion thread.
"06/13 15:16 GMT by M: Please consider the fact that Blizzard is suing people who write software to interoperate with theirs when deciding whether you want to purchase this game." Is that really necessary for reporting a story? Shouldn't this be an objective report?
Just to add to that, if you've got any VP's or Directors, you should do that for them as well. Basically, our company has a gold card system. If you're important enough, you get one of these virtual gold cards. Anyone with one of them comes before anyone else without one. It's pretty simple to tell Joe Schmo the filing guy that his screensaver issue comes behind Mr. VP's crashed hard drive.
Did ANYONE think that living inside of creamy caramel and chewy nougat, coated in chocolate would be hospitable? Tasty maybe, but not very easy.
I actually posted that, I'll admit it. If you go up one level, you'll get quite an interresting website that talks about some of the guy's other projects as well. A good read. For the uninitiated, here's the url to the guy's art projects sections...including the wooden mirror: http://fargo.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~danny/art.html