I agree. Quake 3 is a great benchmark if you're mainly going to be playing Quake 3. It's also a very good benchmark of total system performance: video, CPU, memory, etc.
I'm most interested in pure CPU speed, though. Given a PCI motherboard, I can put whatever hardware I want in it. I feel kind of sorry for the Mac owners, locked into Apple/ATI hardware. It's really quite sucky. I just want the Motorola CPU. I couldn't care less about the rest of the Macintosh. I would just throw everything but the CPU (and maybe motherboard) into the trash.
It's probably best to forget about Motorola hardware and save up for your very on Compaq/DEC Alpha 21264. Those fuckers are expensive!!
I had the opportunity to mount the electrical engineering department's server via NFS when I was in college.
Did I do it?
Nope.
I sent a message to admin and told him that it was possible for someone to do it and detailed exactly how I found out about it.
Just because you're under 25 doesn't mean you have to act like a jackass. If someone stole my car at 2am, because I wasn't using it, then returned it at 6am, because that's when I needed it again... I'd be PISSED OFF. I don't care if there was no harm done.
What the fuck is up with Slashdot these days? Everything has a sensationalistic Weekly World News angle to it.
I can just imagine CmdrTaco or Hemos riding down the street on a horse, yelling, "The Man is coming! The Man is coming!"
If you reprogram your digital watch to store answers to a Calculus test, that's a very ingenius hack. But it's still cheating, and when you get tossed out of university for cheating, I won't have much sympathy for you.
SPECINT2000 is too new. There aren't enough submissions yet.
This is all for single CPU workstations. I dunno. Motorola doesn't seem to believe in submitting benchmarks to SPEC, so I had to use some older RS6000 systems running AIX. IBM doesn't seem overly interested in submitting benchmarks, either.
For my money, I think I'll go with an Intel or Compaq/DEC solution. Sure, the Sun and IBM workstations scale like hell, but they cost ten times as much as an Intel solution. I couldn't possibly see using Intel boxes as enterprise servers, but for workstations, they seem to be tops. If the DEC Alpha was cheaper, I'd go with that. As it is, I just bought a brand new Multia (166 MHz DEC Alpha 21064) for $150. It's hard to beat that. 64 bit computing at the speed of a Pentium 100 (integer) or 200 (floating point), for practically nothing. It should be upgradable to the 233 MHz 21064, as well. We'll see...
Of course, Intel systems suck at floating point, so I didn't bother to cut and paste that. We all know that Intel would come in dead last in that benchmark. Your only choice is the Alpha.
I'm not quite sure where the new PowerPC processors fall. They're more expensive than Intel Coppermine chips, but there's little chance they can scale or perform better than the other entry-level solutions.
Well, laptops are expensive, with or without bundled software, so I would think that they'd wipe the hard drive and sell it to a pawn shop. Why would someone care about your password-protected porn collection and letters to your mistress?
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You know, that "silly little white boy" shtick is getting pretty old. It was funny the first time. I might have smiled the second or third time I saw it. But it's just got to go now.
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That post was hilarious.
I can't believe it got moderated as insightful. It wasn't insightful; it was funny.
Hardly anything truly big started out as something small. Look at Microsoft. Do you think that Microsoft started out small? Think again. Bill Gates was a millionaire before he even incorporated Microsoft. His dad was hugely rich and didn't mind funding Bill's corporate ventures.
Look at many of the richest men in this country. Do you think they are self-made men? 90% of them were millionaires to start with. When a millionaire starts a corporation, it attracts a lot of venture capitalists. Lots of venture capitalists means lots of interest by the big boys in Wall Street and/or the Silicon Valley. Lots of interest equates to a pretty damn big chance of making it to the Forbes 500.
Okay, so where do I buy a single or dual processor Motorola PowerPC motherboard with 5 or 6 PCI slots, 2 serial, 1 parallel, and perhaps a USB or Firewire port?
There was a day, not too long ago, on the internet when you had one e-mail address, and if you fucked around, then you lost that e-mail address. Server admins were all Bastard Operators From Hell (BOFHs). If you attracted any attention to yourself, you risked losing your access to the net.
Nowadays, there's absolutely nothing that anyone can do to you. Spam people repeatedly from your AOL account? No problem! Just sign up to AOL with a different credit card number. Or sign up to Earthlink. Or Netcom. Or one of the twenty local ISPs.
I'm all for anarchy, but this is pathetic. There's no way for the community to control itself. The assholes have anarchy, and we have laws binding our hands, keeping us from going after them with baseball bats.
The sooner that everyone on the internet is accounted for, the better.
I don't care if you want to post anonymously to Slashdot or not. I just want to know that if you fuck up, you're going to lose something important to you.
If your company owns every line of code you write, and you happen to work for Microsoft, then Microsoft actually owns all the code that you write that goes in the Linux kernel. Or so the theory goes.
Hah. I'll believe in Athlon server systems when I see them.
Right now, the Athlon is a nice toy CPU. I agree with Michael Dell. It's great for enthusiasts, but it's not ready for the enterprise or server market yet. Not even sure it's ready for the mainstream market, yet. Have you read about the problems AMD motherboards have with the GeForce?
You might want to put your e-mail address in a message when you ask a question that can be answered by e-mail.
Yeah, the Symbios/LSI Logic cards are supported in Linux. You could have also grepped the kernel source, gone to the LSI web site, or run "make menuconfig".
Unfortunatly, most systems running linux are not for high-performance environments. Wouldn't the time be better spent bring a real _server_ OS up to IA-64 spec?
Are you saying that the average computer running Linux is a cheap Taiwanese motherboard and K6-2? That could very well be true. I've never seen a study or poll done. If people tend to avoid the x86 platform when building enterprise-class servers, it's not Linux's fault.:) Linux supports the 64 bit Alpha and UltraSPARC, as well. We're architecture-neutral.
If we can support as much high-end server hardware as possible, I'm sure the kernel as a whole will prosper as a result of it. Linus would never accept a patch that broke every other architecture besides IA64.
I don't think your comment is flamebait, but you could have worded it more gracefully.
Intel refuses to license some of their patents. This creates problems for AMD when they try to compete with Intel. Because AMD can't manufacture CPUs that use the patented Slot 1 architecture, AMD needs to spend R&D money to come up with their own Slot A architecture, which is incompatible with Slot 1. What does this mean to consumers? We end up with no competition on the dominant motherboard architecture, placing us at the mercy of Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers who don't want to offend Intel by making AMD Slot A compatible motherboards. The average consumer is confused by Slot 1 and Slot A. He doesn't know what he/she needs. What does Intel have to do? Just run a commercial saying, "Isn't it all very confusing? Just stick to buying Intel hardware.", and consumers will give up on the confusing AMD hardware.
Consumers are stupid. Intel is merciless and smart. How many times has AMD almost gone out of business? How many more times will AMD be able to avoid chapter 11?
No, this has nothing to do with software patents. This is a general computer industry patent issue. We *need* to protect the consumer and maintain competition in the marketplace. Laissez-faire economics has, to my mind, been shown not to benefit the consumers or corporations (except Intel and Microsoft!) in the computer industry.
Hell with software patents. I couldn't care less about some dork registering a patent for adding two numbers and storing the result in a third. It won't hold up in court. But when Intel keeps back progress and competition, I get pissed off.
Now that everyone in the CPU market but AMD, Intel, Alpha Processor Inc, and Sun have become itty, bitty players or disappeared, we need to be extra careful how we proceed from here on in.
Without AMD, Cyrix, Motorola, TI, Zilog, IBM, DEC, Commodore, and many other companies, Andy Grove probably would have taken over the galaxy by now.
Slackware has gotten this reputation as being faster than other distributions (how could it possibly be faster than Mandrake, which is compiled with pentium optimization?), more secure (Slackware has historically been the worst offender when it comes to security), and made for power users (?? Just because it doesn't have the added functionality of a package manager?).
This sounds like a troll to me. Paul Verhoeven was in the Netherlands during the Nazi occupation. He and his family were up against walls.
The movie is a parody of the ridiculous book. Yes, I read it. No, I don't like Heinlein. He was a blowhard.
Verhoeven has much more talent than Heinlein ever did -- but it's harder to see that talent, because you have to actually think when you watch his movies, rather than sitting there, thinking "rah rah our side" or "rah rah oooooh a sex scene" as you read Heinlein.
This idea isn't 10 years old, or 50 years old, or even 100 years old. It's ancient. Governments and organized religion have always been scared of technology. Every so often, they try to stuff the cat back in the bag or scare people into thinking technology is evil.
Bill Joy seems to me to be part of the establishment. Even if he were thinking only of the survival of the human race, there are hundreds of science fiction movies and books about this very idea. Any 1950s fiction writer who had any hint of a background in science had at least one doomsday story.
Although having technology be the downfall of the human species makes for an interesting storyline, I find that I must disagree with those who believe humanity can wiped out so simply and systematically.
The machines sent back two Terminators, and they both failed. I think we can handle the future.
Very nicely written. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I like Diablo because it doesn't require too much strategy or thought. I have games that do require that. Diablo is a simplistic yet addictive game in the style of the lesser MUDs and rogue-like games.
Certainly, Diablo has nothing on NetHack, Angband, or the highly-developed MUDs of internet legend... but that wasn't what it was designed to compete against.
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I agree. Quake 3 is a great benchmark if you're mainly going to be playing Quake 3. It's also a very good benchmark of total system performance: video, CPU, memory, etc.
I'm most interested in pure CPU speed, though. Given a PCI motherboard, I can put whatever hardware I want in it. I feel kind of sorry for the Mac owners, locked into Apple/ATI hardware. It's really quite sucky. I just want the Motorola CPU. I couldn't care less about the rest of the Macintosh. I would just throw everything but the CPU (and maybe motherboard) into the trash.
It's probably best to forget about Motorola hardware and save up for your very on Compaq/DEC Alpha 21264. Those fuckers are expensive!!
Well, one could look at stealing cars as being young and taking risks.
Doesn't change what you are - a thief.
Oh no!
They would have had to pay!
I can't believe this. So, that's what it comes down to... just taking what you want, whenever you want it, because you can.
I had the opportunity to mount the electrical engineering department's server via NFS when I was in college.
Did I do it?
Nope.
I sent a message to admin and told him that it was possible for someone to do it and detailed exactly how I found out about it.
Just because you're under 25 doesn't mean you have to act like a jackass. If someone stole my car at 2am, because I wasn't using it, then returned it at 6am, because that's when I needed it again... I'd be PISSED OFF. I don't care if there was no harm done.
I agree.
What the fuck is up with Slashdot these days? Everything has a sensationalistic Weekly World News angle to it.
I can just imagine CmdrTaco or Hemos riding down the street on a horse, yelling, "The Man is coming! The Man is coming!"
If you reprogram your digital watch to store answers to a Calculus test, that's a very ingenius hack. But it's still cheating, and when you get tossed out of university for cheating, I won't have much sympathy for you.
SPECINT95
Compaq Computer AlphaServer ES40 Model 6/667
Result: 40.0 Baseline: 35.6
(DEC Alpha 21264A 667 MHz, 4GB RAM, Tru64)
Digital Equipment AlphaStation 200 4/166 Result: 2.31 Baseline: 2.31
(DEC Alpha 21064 166 MHz, 64MB RAM, Digital UNIX)
Dell Computer Dell Dimension XPS Pro200n
Result: 8.08 Baseline: 8.08
(PPro 200 MHz, 64MB RAM, NT4)
Dell Computer Precision WorkStation 420
Result: 38.9 Baseline: 38.2
(Intel Pentium III "Coppermine" 800 MHz, 256MB RAM, NT4)
Dell Computer Precision Workstation 610
Result: 24.3 Baseline: 24.3
(Intel Pentium III Xeon 550 MHz, 256MB RAM, NT4)
Intel Corporation Intel VC820 motherboard
Result: 38.4 Baseline: 37.9
(Intel Pentium III "Coppermine" 800 MHz, 128MB PC800 RAMBUS RIMM, NT4)
Sun Microsystems Ultra 80 Model 1450
Result: 19.7 Baseline: 16.2
(450 MHz UltraSPARC-II, 512MB RAM, Solaris 7)
IBM Corporation RISC System/6000 H70
Result: 16.0 Baseline: 13.7
(340 MHz PowerPC RS64-II, 2496MB RAM, AIX 4.3.2)
IBM Corporation RS/6000 44P-170
Result: 25.3 Baseline: 23.5
(400 MHz PowerPC-II, 1GB RAM, AIX 4.3.3)
Source: specbench.org
SPECINT2000 is too new. There aren't enough submissions yet.
This is all for single CPU workstations. I dunno. Motorola doesn't seem to believe in submitting benchmarks to SPEC, so I had to use some older RS6000 systems running AIX. IBM doesn't seem overly interested in submitting benchmarks, either.
For my money, I think I'll go with an Intel or Compaq/DEC solution. Sure, the Sun and IBM workstations scale like hell, but they cost ten times as much as an Intel solution. I couldn't possibly see using Intel boxes as enterprise servers, but for workstations, they seem to be tops. If the DEC Alpha was cheaper, I'd go with that. As it is, I just bought a brand new Multia (166 MHz DEC Alpha 21064) for $150. It's hard to beat that. 64 bit computing at the speed of a Pentium 100 (integer) or 200 (floating point), for practically nothing. It should be upgradable to the 233 MHz 21064, as well. We'll see...
Of course, Intel systems suck at floating point, so I didn't bother to cut and paste that. We all know that Intel would come in dead last in that benchmark. Your only choice is the Alpha.
I'm not quite sure where the new PowerPC processors fall. They're more expensive than Intel Coppermine chips, but there's little chance they can scale or perform better than the other entry-level solutions.
Well, laptops are expensive, with or without bundled software, so I would think that they'd wipe the hard drive and sell it to a pawn shop. Why would someone care about your password-protected porn collection and letters to your mistress?
You know, that "silly little white boy" shtick is getting pretty old. It was funny the first time. I might have smiled the second or third time I saw it. But it's just got to go now.
err, insert a *dont* in the last sentence.
That post was hilarious.
:)
I can't believe it got moderated as insightful. It wasn't insightful; it was funny.
Hardly anything truly big started out as something small. Look at Microsoft. Do you think that Microsoft started out small? Think again. Bill Gates was a millionaire before he even incorporated Microsoft. His dad was hugely rich and didn't mind funding Bill's corporate ventures.
Look at many of the richest men in this country. Do you think they are self-made men? 90% of them were millionaires to start with. When a millionaire starts a corporation, it attracts a lot of venture capitalists. Lots of venture capitalists means lots of interest by the big boys in Wall Street and/or the Silicon Valley. Lots of interest equates to a pretty damn big chance of making it to the Forbes 500.
Damn be so naive.
Okay, so where do I buy a single or dual processor Motorola PowerPC motherboard with 5 or 6 PCI slots, 2 serial, 1 parallel, and perhaps a USB or Firewire port?
I don't see any of them on the market...
I agree with the above poster.
There was a day, not too long ago, on the internet when you had one e-mail address, and if you fucked around, then you lost that e-mail address. Server admins were all Bastard Operators From Hell (BOFHs). If you attracted any attention to yourself, you risked losing your access to the net.
Nowadays, there's absolutely nothing that anyone can do to you. Spam people repeatedly from your AOL account? No problem! Just sign up to AOL with a different credit card number. Or sign up to Earthlink. Or Netcom. Or one of the twenty local ISPs.
I'm all for anarchy, but this is pathetic. There's no way for the community to control itself. The assholes have anarchy, and we have laws binding our hands, keeping us from going after them with baseball bats.
The sooner that everyone on the internet is accounted for, the better.
I don't care if you want to post anonymously to Slashdot or not. I just want to know that if you fuck up, you're going to lose something important to you.
If your company owns every line of code you write, and you happen to work for Microsoft, then Microsoft actually owns all the code that you write that goes in the Linux kernel. Or so the theory goes.
Maybe Apple will switch over to using the IBM reference PowerPC motherboard. It's a possibility...
Is there anyone who knows Apple hardware who can explain what parts are still proprietary? I thought they were using PCI, USB, etc now.
That's the truth.
:)
Intel has really bombed this time.
BX forever.
Hah. I'll believe in Athlon server systems when I see them.
Right now, the Athlon is a nice toy CPU. I agree with Michael Dell. It's great for enthusiasts, but it's not ready for the enterprise or server market yet. Not even sure it's ready for the mainstream market, yet. Have you read about the problems AMD motherboards have with the GeForce?
You might want to put your e-mail address in a message when you ask a question that can be answered by e-mail.
Yeah, the Symbios/LSI Logic cards are supported in Linux. You could have also grepped the kernel source, gone to the LSI web site, or run "make menuconfig".
Are you saying that the average computer running Linux is a cheap Taiwanese motherboard and K6-2? That could very well be true. I've never seen a study or poll done. If people tend to avoid the x86 platform when building enterprise-class servers, it's not Linux's fault.
If we can support as much high-end server hardware as possible, I'm sure the kernel as a whole will prosper as a result of it. Linus would never accept a patch that broke every other architecture besides IA64.
I don't think your comment is flamebait, but you could have worded it more gracefully.
Intel refuses to license some of their patents. This creates problems for AMD when they try to compete with Intel. Because AMD can't manufacture CPUs that use the patented Slot 1 architecture, AMD needs to spend R&D money to come up with their own Slot A architecture, which is incompatible with Slot 1. What does this mean to consumers? We end up with no competition on the dominant motherboard architecture, placing us at the mercy of Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers who don't want to offend Intel by making AMD Slot A compatible motherboards. The average consumer is confused by Slot 1 and Slot A. He doesn't know what he/she needs. What does Intel have to do? Just run a commercial saying, "Isn't it all very confusing? Just stick to buying Intel hardware.", and consumers will give up on the confusing AMD hardware.
Consumers are stupid. Intel is merciless and smart. How many times has AMD almost gone out of business? How many more times will AMD be able to avoid chapter 11?
No, this has nothing to do with software patents. This is a general computer industry patent issue. We *need* to protect the consumer and maintain competition in the marketplace. Laissez-faire economics has, to my mind, been shown not to benefit the consumers or corporations (except Intel and Microsoft!) in the computer industry.
Hell with software patents. I couldn't care less about some dork registering a patent for adding two numbers and storing the result in a third. It won't hold up in court. But when Intel keeps back progress and competition, I get pissed off.
Now that everyone in the CPU market but AMD, Intel, Alpha Processor Inc, and Sun have become itty, bitty players or disappeared, we need to be extra careful how we proceed from here on in.
Without AMD, Cyrix, Motorola, TI, Zilog, IBM, DEC, Commodore, and many other companies, Andy Grove probably would have taken over the galaxy by now.
Slackware has gotten this reputation as being faster than other distributions (how could it possibly be faster than Mandrake, which is compiled with pentium optimization?), more secure (Slackware has historically been the worst offender when it comes to security), and made for power users (?? Just because it doesn't have the added functionality of a package manager?).
Why has Slackware gotten this reputation?
This sounds like a troll to me. Paul Verhoeven was in the Netherlands during the Nazi occupation. He and his family were up against walls.
The movie is a parody of the ridiculous book. Yes, I read it. No, I don't like Heinlein. He was a blowhard.
Verhoeven has much more talent than Heinlein ever did -- but it's harder to see that talent, because you have to actually think when you watch his movies, rather than sitting there, thinking "rah rah our side" or "rah rah oooooh a sex scene" as you read Heinlein.
This idea isn't 10 years old, or 50 years old, or even 100 years old. It's ancient. Governments and organized religion have always been scared of technology. Every so often, they try to stuff the cat back in the bag or scare people into thinking technology is evil.
Bill Joy seems to me to be part of the establishment. Even if he were thinking only of the survival of the human race, there are hundreds of science fiction movies and books about this very idea. Any 1950s fiction writer who had any hint of a background in science had at least one doomsday story.
Although having technology be the downfall of the human species makes for an interesting storyline, I find that I must disagree with those who believe humanity can wiped out so simply and systematically.
The machines sent back two Terminators, and they both failed. I think we can handle the future.
Very nicely written. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I like Diablo because it doesn't require too much strategy or thought. I have games that do require that. Diablo is a simplistic yet addictive game in the style of the lesser MUDs and rogue-like games.
Certainly, Diablo has nothing on NetHack, Angband, or the highly-developed MUDs of internet legend... but that wasn't what it was designed to compete against.
If you're looking for steak, don't go to McDonald's.
Robot Frank is great.
My first thought was, "Is this like TV's Frank?"
But it's even better.
I want to get pics of my ass being kicked by Robot Frank.
Do you port games based on customer demand or by circumstance? I'm curious as to whether I can affect which games Loki ports.