Trust me, those religious nuts will have you arrested.
Yeah, but that is because they dropped out of school. If they had had any historic sence they probably would have recognized the original picture, and then it would have been okay for them.
(and let us not get into the discussion on wheter the picture is fake or not, that's offtopic)
Strange. He did not mention what this would cost. Yes, he mentioned an initial $12 billion investment, but 11 of those are in the budgets already as far as I know.
I have seen price tags from NASA people and other space scientists for the whole expedition fluctating from $60-175 billion.
It's probably difficult or impossible to make an accurate estimate of total cost this early in the process but nevertheless the current estimates deviates much from each other.
$60 billion is one thing, but $175 billion?
Yes I know going to Mars might create some jobs and promote technology and development but I would like to know the price tag anyway.
And with a $450 Billion budget deficit already I'm not so sure that this is a good idea.
The reason I recomended as I did was because I got the impression from his post that they wanted to upgrade their computers and had asked this guy for help (since he is "the tech guy").
I agree on your point when it comes to that guy with the 800 MHz system, he should only get more RAM since it's dirt cheap and it would improve his computer and extend its life. And maybe he don't need to upgrade his OS.
But for the 233 MHz computer I see no reason to upgrade. Of course if he is happy with it, then stick with it. But today one can get a new Dell/Compaq (customer/newbie friendly with support) for $500 (ok computer with 17" and CD-RW, DVD and XP)
Some people with old computers think that they have to pay as much as they did last time they bought a computer (in the $1000 range).
Even if it's a mistake, the companies guilty of this typically end up on the end of a class-action suit and pay out some small rebate or similar.
If they are lucky they will get a settlement and get $10.
In Court Reporting Services, Inc. Court Reporting Services, Inc.; Darwyne Dianne McVey; and Benjamin S. Thompson, individually and on behalf of all others similarly situated, Plaintiffs, vs. Compaq Computer Corp the settlement gave the buyers of the Compaq PC's a $10 refund.
The lawyers recived fees "not to exceed $1,000,000"
The case was about Compaq selling home-computers with (surprise!)non-working backup/restore/partitioning software.
So true. I pay $150 for a 1024/1024 kbps SDSL line and although that is quite a bit more than the $49 ADSL offerings floating around it's worth every dollar for me.
-Not guaranteed uptime but the line almost never goes down; 15 min downtime the last six months
-My own IP
-No restrictions on servers
-No download or upload limits.
-I can talk to a real tech person.
-Low latency, max 25 ms.
A friend of mine who works part time in a toy-store told me how many parents with five year old children are afraid to buy Lego because they fear that the kids will eat it...So they bought video games (Playstation etc.) and simpler toys instead.
My friend was shocked. If you haven't learned your kid not to eat small things when they are 5 years old I would say thats bad parenting.
Nothing wrong with video games as long as you use some common sense but many of the simpler toys out there do not stimulate kids in a way that many needs.
My friend has this teory of how children with "bad parents" that needs extra stimulation are the same children that recive simple toys from their parents. They also starts to read later and will start on school with a handicap compared to many other kids.
I don't think that will happen in the near future. Not because I'm against it (I'm not living in US but in another high-cost country), but because I think it would be against WTO trade agreements.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that WTO bans the use of enforcing a minimum wage form one countru onto another country. It's all about competition and the right og poor countries to compete with rich countries.
But one thing USA and other European countries could do to reduce the negative effects of production and more advandced work moving to low cost countries is to enforce decent working condidtions. If the countries in Asia had enforecd good working condidtion in al those sweat-shops their cost of production would have increased:
-max number of working hours each day
-restricted hours of overtime
-no child labour
-max number of Celsius degrees in fabs.
-protection against hazards/environmental stuff
Haha, of all the politicians in the world you are trusting the current administration in protecting your rights to travel free within you own country?
If you look at their policy they have allready started the surveilance of foregin travelers, they will continue with americans traveling abroad, by pushing machine readable passports with biometrics and internatonal regulation, and they will continue with restrict the abillity to within the US.
They are building up the infrastructure to scan (fingerprints and facial) everyone in the US. It's naive to belive that they won't start using it after the next terrorist attack.
They (DHS) are allready launching programs for vouluntarily scanning:
Will US citizens be required to submit biometric data?
No. US citizens will not be required to be digitally "fingerscanned" or
photographed upon entering the United States. However, US citizens wishing to
participate in the Dedicated Commuter Lane (DCL) programs such as SENTRI and
NEXUS or other facilitated processing programs may voluntarily submit biographic
and biometric data to facilitate their travel.
The Department of State will begin issuing machine-readable United States passports
that include digital technology in the future. Facial recognition, which involves
electronically calibrated measurements of a person's face to verify identity, was
selected by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) as the globally
interoperable biometric for identity verification in travel documents.
Anyway as a European I don't see why I should go to USA. Ever.
There are plenty of other examples of states such as Italy, Germany and the Soviet Union slowly evolving into totalitarian facist regimes.
Why should I accept being treat like a criminal with a foregin state taking fingerprints and facial scans of me? What benefits does a personal entry into this database offer me? I would not accepted that any other state like Soviet, Nazi-Germany, South-Africa, North-Korea or Israel where doing this to me, so why should I accept that USA are doing it?
My conclusion is that until USA gets back on track as a trully democratic and open country I will refuse to travel there.
As a traveller I'm not willing to bear the cost of US foregin policy. Just beacause you are constantly running a policy which results in terrorism against you, I'm not willing to bend over at arrival in your country.
There are plenty of other places I could go so it's not like it's a big loss for me, but I feel sad for those that live in a country on the way down the drain.
Voluntarily participating will become possible in near future. According to the US VISIT FAQ at dhs.gov:
Will US citizens be required to submit biometric data?
No. US citizens will not be required to be digitally "fingerscanned" or
photographed upon entering the United States. However, US citizens wishing to
participate in the Dedicated Commuter Lane (DCL) programs such as SENTRI and
NEXUS or other facilitated processing programs may voluntarily submit biographic
and biometric data to facilitate their travel.
The Department of State will begin issuing machine-readable United States passports
that include digital technology in the future. Facial recognition, which involves
electronically calibrated measurements of a person's face to verify identity, was
selected by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) as the globally
interoperable biometric for identity verification in travel documents.
However, the US government has decided that they need a fingerprint from me, regardless of the fact that I hold a valid visa, have passed a number of vetting procedures and have no criminal record.
You are right, according to the US VISIT programme 28 countries are extempt from the program. But _only_ when they travel on short time travel. For students, work and longer stays basically If you need a VISA they will treat you as an criminal on arrival and take fingerscans for a nice database.
The most effective way to strengthen the world for the future is to spread understanding of the value of freedom--to teach more people to recognize the moral unacceptability of non-free peoples. People who value freedom are, in the long term, its best and essential defense.
That's just nice words and a fine speach. In the real world it's more like this:
The most effective way to strengthen our economy for the future is to spread understanding of our value of freedom--to teach more people to recognize the moral unacceptability of non-american thinkink. People who value our values are, in the long term, our best and essential defense, as customers and trade partners.
If you look at current US foregin policy with unilateralism, anti-UN, anti-cooperation and dictating of former friends, the last paragraph matches much better with reality.
The current administaratin values military power more than agreements and diplomacy.
Why would he go to USA anyway?
Apart from a possible MPAA lawsuit; he as a Norwegian will be treated as a criminal upon arrival in USA after January 5th 2004.
The authorities will start with taking pictures and fingerprints of all the passengers before they are registrered in a huge database of potentiall terrorists.
So as for many other Norwegians there are plenty of reasons for him to just stay home instead.
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[...]that the ever escalating regulation of human behavior is the result of politicians pandering to the feminine need for safety above all else; and that it has destroyed, at least in part, the basic social unit that is the family.
There is a long way from "feminism is new/short sighted/unhistoric/unnatural" to your assortion that "feminism has destroyed familiy as a basic social unit".
How?
I'm willing to bet that this is a political view with little evidence in any sienticfic work.
Old republicans have mumbled about this since the depression; how "women taking a second job will destroy the country" and "feminism will lead to weaker children", and it boils down to nothing.
I can't think of why any sane person would want to take on such a case in US.
1. The risk is way too high. In Norway DVD-Jon risked _maximum theoretically_ two years in a nice prison and a fine of a 250000 NOK ($37000). In USA I would think that the stakes are significantly higher; several 5-10(?) years in prison and millions in expenses.
2. The lawyer cost in US would be much higher. The Norwegian state pays all of Mr. Johansens bills. In USA you would have had to sell your kidneys.
3. Judges and a expert jury ruled in this case. In USA the whole case would have been decided by a non-technical jury influenced by media and excellent RIAA/MPAA lawyers. Good luck.
Yes a cease fire. Resolution 687 for those that wants to read it.
Yeah, and read the last section; and I quote:
34. Decides to remain seized of the matter and to take such further steps as may be required for the implementation of the present resolution and to secure peace and security in the area.
That means that no part in the conflict can act to enforce the further enforcement of the cease fire. In other words, USA can not attack Iraq even if Iraq violates the resolution.
So _that_ is why you tried to get UN approval for an invation. That failed; but USA attacked anyway.
Clearly an illegal war.
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(and let us not get into the discussion on wheter the picture is fake or not, that's offtopic)
I have seen price tags from NASA people and other space scientists for the whole expedition fluctating from $60-175 billion.
It's probably difficult or impossible to make an accurate estimate of total cost this early in the process but nevertheless the current estimates deviates much from each other.
$60 billion is one thing, but $175 billion?
Yes I know going to Mars might create some jobs and promote technology and development but I would like to know the price tag anyway.
And with a $450 Billion budget deficit already I'm not so sure that this is a good idea.
Gimme a break. Internet is on the AOL CD.
You should support the free/open GNU/Water instead!
I agree on your point when it comes to that guy with the 800 MHz system, he should only get more RAM since it's dirt cheap and it would improve his computer and extend its life. And maybe he don't need to upgrade his OS.
But for the 233 MHz computer I see no reason to upgrade. Of course if he is happy with it, then stick with it. But today one can get a new Dell/Compaq (customer/newbie friendly with support) for $500 (ok computer with 17" and CD-RW, DVD and XP)
Some people with old computers think that they have to pay as much as they did last time they bought a computer (in the $1000 range).
The one with 800 MHz and only 64 MB RAM should get more RAM (get atleast 256MB) and switch to either Windows 2000 or Mandrake 9.2
In Court Reporting Services, Inc. Court Reporting Services, Inc.; Darwyne Dianne McVey; and Benjamin S. Thompson, individually and on behalf of all others similarly situated, Plaintiffs, vs. Compaq Computer Corp the settlement gave the buyers of the Compaq PC's a $10 refund.
The lawyers recived fees "not to exceed $1,000,000"
The case was about Compaq selling home-computers with (surprise!)non-working backup/restore/partitioning software.
Compaq Presario QR Class Action Settlement Website.
-Not guaranteed uptime but the line almost never goes down; 15 min downtime the last six months
-My own IP
-No restrictions on servers
-No download or upload limits.
-I can talk to a real tech person.
-Low latency, max 25 ms.
Check out theConstruction Toy Homepage for some nice pice (thanks to google).
I especially liked the 8040 set with three possible models and my favourite, the 8851 Pneumatic powered Excavator.
My friend was shocked. If you haven't learned your kid not to eat small things when they are 5 years old I would say thats bad parenting.
Nothing wrong with video games as long as you use some common sense but many of the simpler toys out there do not stimulate kids in a way that many needs.
My friend has this teory of how children with "bad parents" that needs extra stimulation are the same children that recive simple toys from their parents. They also starts to read later and will start on school with a handicap compared to many other kids.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that WTO bans the use of enforcing a minimum wage form one countru onto another country. It's all about competition and the right og poor countries to compete with rich countries.
But one thing USA and other European countries could do to reduce the negative effects of production and more advandced work moving to low cost countries is to enforce decent working condidtions. If the countries in Asia had enforecd good working condidtion in al those sweat-shops their cost of production would have increased:
-max number of working hours each day
-restricted hours of overtime
-no child labour
-max number of Celsius degrees in fabs.
-protection against hazards/environmental stuff
If you look at their policy they have allready started the surveilance of foregin travelers, they will continue with americans traveling abroad, by pushing machine readable passports with biometrics and internatonal regulation, and they will continue with restrict the abillity to within the US.
Anyway as a European I don't see why I should go to USA. Ever.They are building up the infrastructure to scan (fingerprints and facial) everyone in the US. It's naive to belive that they won't start using it after the next terrorist attack.
They (DHS) are allready launching programs for vouluntarily scanning:
There are plenty of other examples of states such as Italy, Germany and the Soviet Union slowly evolving into totalitarian facist regimes.
Why should I accept being treat like a criminal with a foregin state taking fingerprints and facial scans of me? What benefits does a personal entry into this database offer me? I would not accepted that any other state like Soviet, Nazi-Germany, South-Africa, North-Korea or Israel where doing this to me, so why should I accept that USA are doing it?
My conclusion is that until USA gets back on track as a trully democratic and open country I will refuse to travel there.
As a traveller I'm not willing to bear the cost of US foregin policy. Just beacause you are constantly running a policy which results in terrorism against you, I'm not willing to bend over at arrival in your country. There are plenty of other places I could go so it's not like it's a big loss for me, but I feel sad for those that live in a country on the way down the drain.
The current administaratin values military power more than agreements and diplomacy.
Apart from a possible MPAA lawsuit; he as a Norwegian will be treated as a criminal upon arrival in USA after January 5th 2004.
The authorities will start with taking pictures and fingerprints of all the passengers before they are registrered in a huge database of potentiall terrorists.
So as for many other Norwegians there are plenty of reasons for him to just stay home instead.
How?
I'm willing to bet that this is a political view with little evidence in any sienticfic work.
Old republicans have mumbled about this since the depression; how "women taking a second job will destroy the country" and "feminism will lead to weaker children", and it boils down to nothing.
But it's even cooler that you registered on Slashdot 5 years ago, did not forget the password, and managed to post your first post now! :-)
Anyway; It's Christmas and time to eat some sheep.
So far I have not heared about any cases against private persons where the state has used more han two prosecuting lawyers.
In some business cases (Norsk Hydro vs. Government?) I think they are allowed to use more lawyers in the case "build up" and investigation.
1. The risk is way too high. In Norway DVD-Jon risked _maximum theoretically_ two years in a nice prison and a fine of a 250000 NOK ($37000). In USA I would think that the stakes are significantly higher; several 5-10(?) years in prison and millions in expenses.
2. The lawyer cost in US would be much higher. The Norwegian state pays all of Mr. Johansens bills. In USA you would have had to sell your kidneys.
3. Judges and a expert jury ruled in this case. In USA the whole case would have been decided by a non-technical jury influenced by media and excellent RIAA/MPAA lawyers. Good luck.
In a case like this I would rather stand in front of a judge with a jury consisting of experts rater that "clueless" non-technical fellow citizens.
I would say that with those specs 500 is a much better estimate.
With some remote controlling I could "use" the PC 30-hour per month...
The largest spammers use Linux.
Yeah, and read the last section; and I quote:
That means that no part in the conflict can act to enforce the further enforcement of the cease fire. In other words, USA can not attack Iraq even if Iraq violates the resolution.
So _that_ is why you tried to get UN approval for an invation. That failed; but USA attacked anyway.
Clearly an illegal war.