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NetBSD Announces Logo Design Competition
jschauma writes "The NetBSD Project has announced that it has
launched an international competition for the creation of a new logo. There
is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry. The successful logo will
also have wide exposure, featuring in all NetBSD material including, but not
limited to; the NetBSD.org web site, software media, apparel, and business
systems. The competition will close on February 29, 2004. The rules of the
competition, submission information and the design brief can be found in the
official
announcement, which has already spawned some discussion on the netbsd-advocacy
and current-users
MailingLists." The announcement notes that the current logo is "too complicated... hard to reproduce... [and] has negative cultural, and religious ramifications."
What's wrong with the devil ? Paint the word 'NetBSD' on his belly/chest and we're all set.
--- No, english is not my mother tongue.
"too complicated... hard to reproduce... [and] has negative cultural, and religious ramifications."
So political correctness has made it to open source.
Oy!
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
so now we're going to change it to angels, i hope?
OR... Winnie the pooh!
OR... http://www.sco.com/images/sco_logo_blue.gif
There is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry.
With the dollar going the way it is it'll cost me more to bank the cheque than it is worth over here!
--
This sig is inoffensive.
> too complicated...
for whom? for what?
> hard to reproduce...
== hard to forge...
> [and] has negative cultural, and religious
> ramifications.
No, it doesn't. It's a cartoon devil. It doesn't offend anyone. Really. Unless you're one of those freaks who won't let their kids watch Scoobie-doo because it's got ghosts in it. Trust me. If it were hanging on a cross or wearing a turban, *then* maybe it'd need changing.
Sheesh!
These sigs are more interesting tha
Looks like it's cheap to finance international contests lately.
I think I'm announcing a couple of them and probably slashdot will be kind enough to dedicate me a post.
geez even open source starts to stinks and sucks >:-(
I'm going to submit a drawing of a penguin. After all that has no negative cultural or religious ramifications right? Seems perfect to me.
Beep beep.
It's offical, Netcraft confirms Net BSD's logo is dying
Maybe they should change the logo to a closed casket.
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
oh, wait. nevermind.
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
The BSD d(a)emon holding a gladiator-like net.
Sigs for Nerds. Sigs that Matter.
NetBSD's claim to fame is running on everything from your PC to a dead squirrel in a cardboard box.
It's another flavour of UNIX, information on how it differs from other flavours will be discussed on the website www.netbsd.org.
I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines.
Well, as long as we are talking about BSD, the OpenBSD should consider changing its logo as well.
Let's face it: what's is the point of a BSD system with a fat-sad-tired fish?
Seriously, what's wrong with the devil? Too hard to reproduce? It's called creating another set of art that is "CAMERA READY" for reproduction on t-shirts, or whatever else. When you see that little devil, you think BSD. Anybody who is too concerned that it's "EEEEEVIL" doesn't work with computers well enough to understand how to run BSD.
Just because BSD runs on PCs doesn't mean that they need to be PC. That's a load of crap.
Hm.... The current frontierman image suits the ethics of netbsd quite well. Conquer any platfrom and make then run BSD.
it's the reason why I installed NetBSD on one of my boxen. So if they change the logo and I don't like it...I'll have to setup OpenBSD or FreeBSD again ;)
no seriously I don't see any reason why the current logo should offend anyone...it's just a cartoon!
Several people have posted (in the usual /. manner) that they don't see an issue with the devil, it's a cartoon, right wing religious wackos, etc. Well its not the devil, it's what the devils are doing. The devils are in a pose that mimics one that is usually associated with valour and the giving of ones life for "liberty" (whether or not you agree that this particular pose does or not is for another discussion). So now you have a logo that uses characters associated with negative deeds (the devil, cartoon or not) in the place of men associated with honor and self sacrafice. Given the current events, I could see how this logo, while passing under the radar for many years, is now suddenly considered inappropriate.
I can understand how many would find it inappropriate, which is unfortunate because for those who've been around the BSD and the computer scene for a while know exactly what the logo is trying to represent and it's quite accurate in that regard.
...put Jesus, Buddha or Muhammed on the end of the Devil's trident and maybe you'd have a case!
I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines.
The logo does not show the 'devil' -- it show's daemons. According to Merriam-Webster, a daemon is:
2 usually daemon : an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS
3 usually daemon : a supernatural being of Greek mythology intermediate between gods and men
4 : one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness
Definition states that it is an evil spirit that intends to do harm, however that definition refers to the 'demon' spelling, not the 'daemon' spelling popular in Unix culture.
NetBSD is now getting politically correct? Time for me to switch to a new OS. OpenBSD and FreeBSD both suddenly got much more attractive to me.
It's because of Photoshop. You can't open an devil image in Photoshop CS v2 LOL.
If BSD starts to sux you know why, there is already a nice logo with an Apple and an X (is the X too porn for the free open source mind?)
The original Iwo Jima photo by Joe Rosenthal was faked the day after the victory. In the NetBSD reproduction, the US troops have been replaced by devils, and the mountain top is a pile of computer hardware. The US flag has become a simple banner proclaiming NET Bsd. Notwithstanding any political correctness in this decision, it is hard to see the relevance of the current logo.
I stole this
They always said it can be run on a toaster so why not a toaster logo?
If you're asking about the OS, it's pretty good. The troll below was thinking of OpenBSD -- and a bit off the mark -- but basically, think OpenBSD without the security focus, with the conveniences of FreeBSD (sometimes done better; pkgsrc is rather sweet, and claims to handle builds on Linux as well!), relatively small installation size, cutting-edge features, and of course, ridiculous portability. Definitely Just The Thing for that 486DX2-50 collecting dust (unless it's to be a firewall or bastion host - then you want OpenBSD), and quite useful anywhere else as well.
If you're planning an 'intensive' workload (more specifically, "if you're planning something that will actually put stress on a $2,000+ server"), then FreeBSD and soon DragonFly will be worth looking into. (DragonFly will be cool for other reasons, but then, I'm a fanboy.)
As to this logo business... Well, in a perfect world, people would use BSDs more often, and accept any lingering 'incorrectness' to the logo (it's supposed to be a daemon, not a demon, so the saying goes) as the price paid for getting a great, maintainable, don't-even-have-to-follow-GPL-sharealike-rules OS. But pragmatically, a lot of NetBSD core seems to work for Wasabi Systems -- call them the RedHat of NetBSD, but of course, the overall NetBSD community doesn't quite have the size and clout of the 'Linux community,' so keeping those guys fed is more intrinsic to the project's survival in the near term. If the logo's losing them contracts (and what's worse than losing a contract for nontechnical reasons?), then hey, maybe it's time for the weird to turn pro.
1) Change the colour. Red is too demonic. Black would be good, no-one objects to Tux after all, but you wanna make the face stand out. Make that much lighter, and slightly more prominent.
2) Lose the horns. Something like big round ears would be friendlier.
3) Lose the pitchfork and tail. You want something that gives an air of class - like white gloves
4) No nudity, please; we need more than trainers or this is just pornography. Put shorts on the dude or something. You could even make them red, sort of a homage to the original. But you'd need to simplify the footwear.
That would be perfect. No-one could ever object to that.
It would look something like this : google link
free experimental electronic music netlabel at www.viablehybrid.com
Get Eric Schwartz to do something. his amizilla logo is amazing. A reptile with mammaries!. Who cares. it looks good.
I'm sure he could do something tasteful and mediocre if he needed.
SCENE: Dr Evil addressing /. audience ...
... and the reward for best logo will be ... [PAUSE FOR EFFECT] 1 HUUUNNNDREED DOLLARS!
Dr. Evil:
[FAST ZOOM ON DR. EVILS MOUTH/PINKY]
Dr. Evil: And can I get a logo with devils with frickin lasers on their heads!
on tv?
taking a ?pr firm? hypenosys cue from robbIE/the won-eyed girl's feenominull suckssass eye gas, no DOWt?
The new logo is supposed to represent the goals of the NetBSD project. So, from what you said, are we to assume that your recommendation for the new NetBSD logo is a dead squirrel in a cardboard box ?
Pentium
It is called "Pentium" because it is the fifth in the 80x86 line. It would have been called the 80586 had a US court not ruled that you can't trademark a number.
The successors are the Pentium Pro and Pentium II.
The following Pentium variants all belong to "x86 Family 6", as reported by "Microsoft Windows" when identifying the CPU:
Model Name
1 Pentium Pro
2 ?
3 Pentium II
4 ?
5, 6 Celeron or Pentium II
7 Pentium III
8 Celeron uPGA2 or Mobile Pentium III
The name was chosen because of difficulties Intel had in trademarking a number. It suggests the number five (implying 586) while (according to Intel) conveying a meaning of strength "like
titanium".
Intel did not stick to this convention when naming its P6 processor the Pentium Pro; many believe this is due to difficulties in selling a chip with "sex" in its name. Successor chips have been
called `Pentium II' and `Pentium III'.
Sorry, the above comments I pirate it off - http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pentium
The last paragraph is more closely related to NetBSD (or all BSDs in general) problem. I read an article somewhere years ago that, Intel actually engaged a consulting firm in order to come out with a name for suitable for the 586. One of the criterias was that it must be something not offensive in any languages spoken worldwide.
Call it political correctness, but you don't offend anyone if you can help it. Especially a wold class entity doing business worldwide.
NetBSD, is an entity that transact with people all over the world. People from all walks of life. Personally, I love the BSD daemon, kinda cute.. But I'm sure it is not the OS of choice for some/most religious organization.. Esp. those conservative ones who have yet to discover fire.
Well, if they decide on a new logo in order not to offend the sensibilities of 'potential' customers, why not indeed?
Regards all and everyone - peace!
Will sys-admin for food
It's a BSD flavour to be correct. Or YAUL (Yet another unix like)
Beastie, although he is really a BSD thing in general, is most associated with FreeBSD. OpenBSD adopted Puff the Blowfish and it is instantly recognizable as obsd. I think NetBSD design submitters ought to choose a new animal - perhaps a stingray, a lobster, a crab, or some other creature that can defend itself - and go for it. Then NetBSD will have some individual recognizable identity to those outside the BSD aware.
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm an OS of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Gary Kildall
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Bill Gates
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around Digital
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed VMS and its decendents
The VAXen screamed in vain
I rode my way
through USLs day
when the lawsuit raged
and the licenses stank
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the OSes they made
I shouted out,
Who killed System V?
When after all
It was you and me
etc... my apology to the Rolling Stones..
How about a Jesus Lizard?
They can run anywhere...
"There is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry."
Why don't they just make it an Open Source competition?
If it works for code it can work for graphic/logos!
to pilot the fairytail georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi execrable moon/mars/bars shot, & time machine projects?
there's rumour that the illegal aliens backed out of the deal on concerns about the won-eyed girl's failure to provide requested health status documentation.
sales of turnbulltax's illegal alien edition have dropped off dramatically, as a result of their (the alien's) failure to puppetize.
the fuddites have now proposed an illegal alien deletion devise, to corewrecked the 'problem'. further rumour indicates it's (the deletion devise) now being tested on that o'neill guy?
I believe this is a good idea, from a branding standpoint.
The loss of the BSD daemon may be unfortunate, but looking at major brands it's pretty clear recognition doesn't require a cool mascot. To name a few: Nike, Adidas, Mercedez-Benz and Nokia all have rather simple comporate symbols.
If the NetBSD project wishes to look more professional in the eyes of marketeers, this is a good move.
.: Max Romantschuk
maybe it's time for the weird to turn pro
In this instance, it's more of a case of the pro turning weird, surely?
Sadly, it is already taken: http://www.amatproduct-gold.com/OpenImg.asp?Title= Betty%20Los%20!%20Piss%20Ab%20!!&ImageURL=http://w ww.sulfurishop.com/ImagesProducts/28001_L.jpg
Can be found here...
However! I am honestly offended by suggestions that a cartoon demon could be offensive to a sane religion or society. The religions and societies that do find offense in these sorts of things are looking for any excuse to spread hate and frankly I'm sick of it.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
What about a the middle finger? Don't you think it's the perfect symbol of corporates dealing with people? Cum on BSD mail me my 100 bucks :)
Does NetBSD have a mostcot? If so, i assume its the BSD daemon? In which case, does new logo imply new mascot?
Giving IE users a taste of their own medicine since 2005 - http://pods.-is-a-geek.net/
> OpenBSD adopted Puff the Blowfish and it is instantly recognizable
> as obsd. I think NetBSD design submitters ought to
> choose a new animal - perhaps a stingray,
How about combining the fish idea of OpenBSD and the daemon from BSD. Here are a few idea:
* Red or Blue Devil Fish
* Ghost Fish
* Spirit Fish
* Devil Stingray
New NetBSD logo
many believe this is due to difficulties in selling a chip with "sex" in its name. Successor chips have been called `Pentium II' and `Pentium III'.
Nice bar room and water cooler fodder, but please. Intel wanted to include the 5 (pent) because up until then people were used to the progression of numbers. By the time the Pentium took hold, Intel realized that they had a large investment (market investment, not just money) in what had become a marketable product family name, which the x86 chips never had. Then it made a lot more sense to keep the "pentium" name as the product name, and use some other means to distinguish between them. After all, who knows (or cares) which "generation" the current P4 is relative to the 486?
Heck, if the "sex" part was such an issue, Intel could have just skipped it and named it's next chip the Septium and touted it as a major innovation warranting the skipping over gen 6. But then you have a whole new name you have to get established and you've set yourself up to have to go through this cycle every several years.
Wait a minute - this is NETBSD we're talking about here, right?
The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
...and they didn't even tell me.
Way to gout out of your way there, Net BSD. After years of loyal servitude, this is how you treat me.
Cue The Sun...
It's too american because they are raising a flag together. I think it's better if people don't consider NetBSD an american software project because developers are all over the world.
How about a logo of a black cat, but without the pitchfork? I have (see igor) a pretty little back cat that runs on *anything*.
Perhaps people should get their heads out of their politically correct backsides and get a life instead of worrying about this sort of thing.
Hmmm, who needs to get a life and stop worrying about this sort of thing? It's THEIR logo, THEY want to change it for whatever reason THEY have, who are YOU to say what is a good reason or not? What next, hyprocrites telling organizations what is and isn't a good reason to change logos?
POT/KETTLE/BLACK
I propose a pentagram surrounded by three sixes, on a background of flames.
Then again, the flames might be difficult to reproduce.
Just wondering.
Stick Men
Here's what I don't get: their motive for changing the logo is (among other things) "negative cultural, and religious ramifications". They then suggest Darwin's mascot hexley as a refence logo / mascot. The thing is holding a pitchfork. Is this not a negative religious ramification? Where is the line drawn. I am confsed...
Jesus Lizard
Then think of the tee-shirt:
On the logo the lizard run from water to dirt and the text reads
NetBSD: It can run everywhere!
Mod the parent up for this good idea, since this is one of the main characteristics of NetBSD.
Forget the cultural ramifications, the logo is very, VERY gay. Please someone, design something that is a little less homo-erotic and we'll give you a C-note.
AFAIR a certain green friend of yours owns it already..
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cLive ;-)
-- Trinity in high heels carrying a whip: The donimatrix - there is no spoonerism
has negative cultural, and religious ramifications."
Seriously, I'd consider that an advantage. What kind of people would refuse to run an OS because its mascot is a cuddly depiction of an image that was attached to the negative side of their religion sometime during the early middle ages?
Is it not a great bonus to not have these people as users?
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Logo
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
wtf is "Mircosoft"?
This is ridiculous. The trickster archtype is as old as humanity and serves an important function as the rebel, the defender of the non-conventional, etc. I always loved this little character because he more or less represented the non-mainstream, something that couldnt be "MS-ified." Come on, this isn't exactly a Church of Satan horned muscle-bound monstrosity with a huge schlong hanging between its legs.
He's also drawn in a very cute anime-like way which pretty much puts the kibosh on the whole "its the devil" nonsense. Last I checked the US wasn't a theocracy.
Well, here's to another bit of creativity killed by "comittee thinking." I await the eventual swirl design that corporate america seems to love.
As a side note: did you know that it was recently discovered that penguins can projectile defecate? It helps keep their nests clean. Linux's mascot is pretty much a bird that can shoot its shit. Quickly someone pick a new mascot! That's how the BSD people seem to be acting.
So, NetBSD is going politically correct? Well, the Linux Penguin is non-PC in a more subtle way. :-)
Considering you can get *BSD for free, and all the value it provides, surely $100 for a logo design isn't asking too much. If they were going to hire a professional graphic artist for that much, sure it'd be a lowball price. But for volunteers submitting what essentially amounts to a "patch" for some bit of outdated IP which will then be shared freely with the world, how is that asking too much for too little in return?
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
They eventually changed their logo to dull stylized letters.
*sigh* sadly some people are still living in the dark ages, even in the most modern countries... Renaissance, anyone ?
Quem a paca cara compra, paca cara pagará.
Of course the accidental picture was the one that became famous.
For those that aren't making the connection, the famous photo and a number of others taken at the time are here. There was a stamp made of it too. And it was made into a statue for the Marine Corps War Memorial.
The biggest (in terms of value, profits and probably fan base) soccer team in the world (Manchester United) has the devil as its logo/mascot.
They even have a fluffy man-in-suit devil called 'Fred the Red' that greets kids at the game and appears in comic strips in the match program. They used to be widely known as 'The Red Devils' but this does seem to have lost some popularity recently.
If they can turn over many, many millions with a devil on every shirt is it really a hinderence to an OS?
I think the name 'Red Devils' was originally used by a local rugby league team (Salford) who were given it when touring.. apparently some opponent(s) was/were badly injured (or killed) during the tour. The name then jumped a couple of miles to Manchester United. Looks like Salford are now 'The Salford City Reds'. How pleasant.
0daymeme.com: Great stuff.
The "cute little daemon" is generic BSD. Beastie is FreeBSD. NetBSD's logo is comprised of several daemons standing on conquered computers, hoisting a flag proclaiming 'BSD', in a manner which pays undeniable respect and tribute to this photograph.
It's that admittedly US-centric photograph which some NetBSD users have found to be culturally biased. I don't believe religion plays a part in the search for a logo replacement, regardless of NetBSD's statement, and I would not be surprised if the winning logo incorporates a daemon.
It's not the daemon that's pissing people off. It's the "America Uber Alles" vibe that NetBSD's current logo gives off to people living outside the US. As a previous poster mentioned, this flew well under the radar for a number of years, but now that we've started "liberating" other countries, there are a lot of people in this world who find images of American supremacy to be offensive. And god damned rightly so.
The fact NetBSD thinks they need a new logo, is a good symptom if we want to have better ways to identify and give some credibility to the free and open source projects. But is not enough.
What's the use of spending hundreds of dollars in a logo contest when then this full-fledge brand new logo is poorly applied in a shabby designed page?
IMHO, what has to be done is to make an open competition for design offices or anyone who wants and can submit proposals, giving integral solutions for the identity, which would include logo, webpage templates, documents..
In the architecture field is very common to make 'idea competitions' where many archictectural offices are involved, and at the end the rainbow of proposals is wider and you can surely get a design that fits best the demands (or can even make you realise about needs you didn't).
So i propose to change the contest: from 'Logo Design Competition' to 'Identity Design Competition'
signed: an anonymous coward designer
I just sent my logo submission to the NetBSD Foundation. I don't think I'll ever win this competition, but I felt like sending something!
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
But I thought we spoke about those negative connotations.
I was reading through some of these posts and it would would be nice if someone would actually read the fucking article and the fucking announcement. Then they might realize that the Logo Contest isn't about the cute little Deamon that we all know and love so well.
It's about the pile of Deamons doing the Iwo Jima thing on top of all your Monitors.
This image is a little tricky to duplicate and has some rather aggressive connotations. Far more aggressive than anything in the more generic BSD Deamon that you find on this slashdot page. I think their contest is well warranted and appropriate.
I thought NetBSD was doing a Lego contest. I was really excited until I realized it was a logo contest. With Lego returning to blocks I thought my hour of glory had finally arrived.
I guess I need to draw more than stick figures to win. That leaves me out.
Maybe I'll use PhotoShop to copy a $100.00 bill and submit that for the logo...
Allrighty then, how about just having NetBSD printed with the standard system font as a logo, then? Call it a minimalist no-nonsense logo, or something.
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It's the logo of the After Dark Screen Saver. That was a flying toaster but I think it's still too similar.
Excuse me, sir, I did not "neglect to click the link." I've used NetBSD various times over the last 4 years and I'm well acquainted with the current logo. They are going for a "*new* logo," and there's a good bet that submitters will build using the daemon as a starting point.
My advice still holds: let's choose an identity for NetBSD via a mascot. It's pretty friggin hard to identify NetBSD and say, "you know - the one with the demons all hiking up the computers to plant the NetBSD flag Iwo Jima style?"
it's supposed to be a daemon, not a demon
If that's in any way related to vampyr/vampire and wymyn/women, I don't want anything to do with it.
I actually was thinking about this also :-)
Maybe a casket with space for horns at the top.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Elephant is on the logo of PostgreSQL, which is also coming from Berkley historically. I guess Rhino, who lives close to Elephants, will remind that fact. Besides, that thing on its head reminds me existing BSD daemon head :)
Less is more !
There's an obvious solution to this.
How about a coffin. We all know BSD is dead.
I like the current logo. I just find it a nice logo. ... What about all the people that don't want to change it. Has there been a poll among users????
If they don't like it, put BSD or so instead on the screen,
When reading the summary I realized I knew what FreeBSD's and OpenBSD's logos were but couldn't think of NetBSD's. And after reading the comments at least half the people think the FreeBSD daemon is NetBSD's logo. Mod this whole discussion as +Funny.
Furthermore, while Tux, the FreeBSD daemon and and the OpenBSD fish are cute, reposable and reusable the NetBSD logo isn't cute or reposable but looks like a daily cartoon that won't make it into next year's calendar.
This cleanly describes the issue... and excactly what logo they are talking about...as opposed to the /. blurb.
Because polar bears eat penguins, right?
mmmmmmm WRONG
Polar bears live in the artic and penguins in the antarctic.
Tomatoes grow everywhere. The redness of a tomato will be a reminder of Beastie.
Cons: I cannot stand the smell of fresh tomato. I have some weird problem that prevents me from eating the stuff. On the other hand, I've used Linux, FreeBSD and, briefly, OpenBSD, but never NetBSD...
Look out!
>> ramifications.
> No, it doesn't. It's a cartoon devil. It doesn't
> offend anyone. Really. Unless you're one of
> those freaks who won't let their kids watch
> Scoobie-doo because it's got ghosts in it. Trust
> me.
*sigh* instead of modding you down as a troll, which you obviously are, I'll try to do the nice thing and throw you a little education bone...
Did you even look at what was linked? It wasn't just the cartoon devil, it was a group of devils re-enacting Iwo Jima. Holy symbolism Batman, I can see how that might be just a wee bit offensive to some people. And let's not be ignorant enough to assume that everyone in the world sits on their ass and watches cartoons on television. Or do you believe that the entire world wants to live and act like Americans?
> If it were hanging on a cross or wearing a
> turban, *then* maybe it'd need changing.
Any why would it need changing if it was wearing a turban? What are the negative connotations of wearing a turban? Seriously. I know what you probably think they are, but let us all in on it. Show your true colors. Let us all in on your ignorance.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Instead of a new logo? Come on folks, if you're giving money away do it for something that will fix a current issue or add a needed feature.
blah, blah, blah
...that someone found the devil offensive, and then double "Huh?" when they said it wasn't the devil, but the pose.
So in case you had absolutely no clue wtf they're talking about, here is the original picture, which is of the 28th marine regiment raising the american flag atop mt suribachi on february 23, 1945.
My personal opinion? Keep the deamon, lose the pose. The logo *is* too complex, as a logo. And no need to step on anyone's toes over the look-a-like pose. But the daemon is cool. Geez, you see much worse things in kid's shows these days. you have to be a real wuss to get offended by that one.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
The official announcement mentions two products from Adobe and Macromedia, but no mention of The Gimp anywhere that I found. That is sad, give the open source solution a free plug when you can. The Gimp could surely be used for most if not all of the creation of a new logo.
First of all, let me say that the daemons in the logo look more to me like the Noid from the Domino's Pizza commercials of the mid-1980s.
Second, these cartoon daemons bear even less resemblance to the Biblical devil than the modern-day Santa Claus image does to St. Nicholas of Myra. Nowhere in the Bible is Satan described as a red, scaly gentleman with horns and a bifurcated tail who carries a hayfork. That image is a product of the Middle Ages. The BSD version is a cariacature at that. There's simply nothing here that should offend anyone's religious sensibilities.
I am Sartre of the Borg. Existence is futile.
hopefully this one isn't going to look like the official debian log an official logo that looks pretty dumb and one that most debian users aren't aware of.
RTFS...
No.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
My sister was offended that I would send her little kids Thomas The Tank Engine chocolate lollipops for Xmas stocking stuffers. She said they didn't support Disney because Disney supports gay rights.
Personally, I wouldn't have even guessed that Disney had anything to do with Thomas, but that's besides the point. There are a lot of easily offended bigiots in the world.
I know that the conventional wisdom is:
But, in reality, NetBSD runs on so many platforms as a side effect of their stated policy to implement things the Right Way rather than ever relying on hacks.
NetBSD is one of the cleanest, most logical, and most innovative open source projects out there.
For example, NetBSD takes an insanely good idea (the FreeBSD ports collection) and makes it even better. Pkgsrc (NetBSD's answer to ports) is built in such a way that allows you to run it on Solaris, Linux, and a number of other operating systems. Plus it has a built-in package security auditing tool.
FreeBSD et al are moving toward NetBSD's innovative init system which in my mind combines the power of SysV and the ease of use of *BSD.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe NetBSD was the first OS anywhere to support ipv6.
NetBSD always seems to chug away in relative obscurity, with even BSD folk ignoring and misunderstanding it. Yeah, it's great for embedded work. Yeah, it'll run on almost anything. But it's also a really great workstation. And their uncompromising approach to quality and correct implementation make it a very stable and logical general purpose OS.
So, I for one welcome the new logo, and hope that it helps to bring NetBSD out of the shadows and allows my fellow open source users to enjoy another excellent operating system.
-Peter
. Penguins Surely Ca
No, they can't get the wrappers off.
You set 'em up, I knock 'em down.
(A note for non-Brit friends: McVitie's make a chocolate biscuit snack bar called the Penguin. You can order them in various places, such as here.
Take care.
Ken.Lewis
Not if it won't do CMYK or vector images, it won't. Well, at least not entirely. You could create the logo in the Gimp, but then it would have to be converted to CMYK in some other software. Also, if they are looking for an easy-to-reproduce logo, vector art is the way to go, and the Gimp is a raster-based program, isn't it? I am looking forward to the day when there is an industrial-strength image editing program for Linux....
We have to eat happy eggs from happy chickens.
These are the important questions of our age, people.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
daemon with a penguin hanging out of it's mouth?
I'm glad that netbsd is trying to change their logo. While many people may think this is a trivial issue, logos and names are critical for public acceptance.
Too many free software project have logos that from a graphic design perspective are a total joke. The gnu logo is a good example. It looks like a pencil sketch scanned from the back of the beer coaster (so does the netbsd logo BTW).
Get some decent logos please. Graphic designers spend years developing their skills. Pay them and let them do their work.
::uncontrollable fits of laughter::
You've got the wrong artist, AC. He's one fucked-up furry, I'll tell you what. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
The NetBSD logo should look like this:
A net descending upon the globe (outline of continents only), followed by block-face "BSD".
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
>POT/KETTLE/BLACK
Err , I think your logic is a bit flawed, but never mind , you'll figure it out once you've had your IQ transplant.
...I find it interesting that they would offer such a LOW prize for this little contest! Usually, a logo design for a nationally branded product can run anywhere from 10-50K, and sometimes up into the half million dollar range, depending on complexity, desired look and feel, and a ton of 'little' factors that involve psychological impact due to font choices, colors, and design preferences. Usually, when a company wants logos designed, they want to see an entire portfolio of different designs that fall within the stated parameters, and choose the best dozen or so to bring before their Board, or owner. When I see a contest like this with a measly $100 prize, it reminds me of the 'Good Deal' that Nike got in the early '70's, running a design contest similiar to this one, where the winner was a College student, for VERY little money. And the Swoosh(tm) was born.
Wherein the letters are blockface, and of the same height as the globe (making the "net" aboveline).
The net implies it encompasses the whole "world" of computing (the pixelated globe)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I have an idea for a good logo, the only downside being the fact that people might think BSD stands for bondage sado domination, however in my opinion that would be acceptable.
"a swastika is now universally negative."
Throughout the far east the swastika remains a good symbol; or more accuratly, a symbol of something other than Hitler/Nazi/aryan/WWII.
Ok, it seems to me most people here don't seem to look at logo design from an ease of use or professionality standpoint, let alone from a design aspect. Everyone seems to be skating around the fact that with exception to the religious or mythical issues and the problem with a off-the-wall politcal cartoon feel, the design itself is quite the opposite of a business/ease of use point-of-view. Sure it's open source but NetBSD is in the "business" of supplying an open source medium for its users to enjoy and interact with. If anything the logo should almost have a conservative corporate fee, with just a wee bit of open-source attitude to the side just to show that open-source is the sort of black sheep child of the WWW network infrastructure not to mention the software world. So keep your minds open guys. This is a world-based community, and there's probably someone out there offended by the spoof of the Iwo Jima memorial and there could also be some "religious stiff" offended by the devil/daemon aspect. Also remember that the general public doesn't know anything about the greek background of language and their english counterparts, let alone would they really want a lecture on it. When designing you have to take the audience seriously but not yourself too seriously. Creativity can come in spades but if you don't know how to apply it properly it won't get you anything but trouble.
you know jack chick is full of shit in his Death Cookie tract
Other than the confusion between JESus and three Egyptian deities, does Jack Chick get anything else materially wrong in that tract?
I'm amazed it's taken them this long -- the Iwo Jima logo is copyright Theo de Raadt, now of OpenBSD.
SCO :)
NAA! (Not Another Acronym!)
Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.
IIRC, the story came out in 2000, the year the New Jersey Devils defeated the Dallas Stars in the Stanley Cup Finals.
Similar story: This Christmas, my in-laws gave my brother-in-law's daughter a Fisher-Price Little People Noah's Ark. As we're sitting around playing with the little plastic animals, my brother-in-law noticed the flag for the top of the ark. Visibly furious, he turned to me and hissed, "Why is there a rainbow on this flag?" Now, I'm not a religious guy, but I managed to recall a rainbow at the end of Noah's story in the Bible. He disagreed with my reasoning and insisted that this, like all rainbows, was a pro-gay-rights symbol.
If a rainbow sticker (with the colors in the wrong order for a rainbow, no less) on a child's toy and a lollipop shaped like a cartoon train can offend, then I'm sure folks will manage to find the "three daemons raise a pitchfork" image offensive.
"Be Happy or Die." -- AoN
The problem is that using Lara Croft as the NetBSD mascot might land them in some legal quagmires.
Constitutionally Correct
This submission is a quick mock-up. I can do a better one if you think it's good...
-3Suns
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The Revolution will be Slashdotted
That's really good! A cockroach, with a motto like "Surviving all conditions and terrains."
This is positive indication that Pepsi should be winning the cola wars among Linux users. Because penguin == !polar bear == !Coke == Pepsi, right?
Constitutionally Correct
A female devil:)
What about a creature known for adapting to many environments
Were you hoping to be modded-up +5, Informative, you sycophant?
...I do not like to see him go.
Those whom are offended by it should be educated.
Portable: dandelions grow everywhere, and its flying seeds are a strong sign of portability.
Adaptable: the flowers close at night or when raining, and it is active in all seasons.
Useful: with dandelions you can make salads, wine, or medicine. Kids like to play with them.
Simple: dandelions are simple yet elegant. Furthermore, they're a familiar sight to everyone.
Well-designed: the leaves form channels to bring all the rain water to the root, which otherwise would not get enough. Well, flowers are evolved and not designed, but you get the idea.
Unique: with all those animal logos, a flower will be easy to remember.
Not a mascot: since it is a logo, not a mascot, NetBSD people can informally keep Beastie.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
All the religious nutz need to go to their respective hell, and leave technology alone.
Wait a minute. Hear me out.
Poodles come in a wide variety of sizes, from the diminuitive "tea cup" variety weighing two pounds, to the standard, weighing as much as seventy pounds.
They also come in a wide variety of colors, including the mottled or parti-colored variety.
They are about the most versatile dog on the planet. Poodles make great companions; are show dogs; hunting dogs; retrievers; service dogs; protection dogs; law enforcement; therapy dogs; search and rescue; and poodles love to play games.
They are found almost everywhere in the world, and while the French claim them as their own, their origins are truly unknown and are probably a mixture of breeds from various places.
Poodles are about the smartest dogs anywhere.
Finally, who, WHO could possibly be offended by a poodle logo?
Give me a red poodle with a pitchfork and you've got your NetBSD logo.
Proverbs 21:19
* Due to the issues identified above, the current NetBSD daemon character cannot be used.
... it specifically says the daemon character is a big problem. People may have been offended by the similarity to the imagery of (WWII) US Marines raising the flag over Iwo Jima, but NetBSD specifically wants to get rid of the daemon.
(Well, okay, maybe a little problem
Personally, I'm a Christian and I don't get too creeped out by the BSD daemon, but I'll be just as happy when it's gone.
Just change his color to blue. That should be more socialy "acceptable". If Duke University tries to pull a SCO, point out that the character is actually a daemon.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
The submission guidelines seem to contradict themselves or am i missing something?
The relevant paragraph starts "The final design must be submitted as a scalable vector
format EPS (Adobe Illustrator, Macromedia Freehand or similar), therefore no halftone
(photographic or bitmap)" but then goes on to say "All designs shall be submitted for
judging in electronic form as JPEG or PNG.". The original JPEG format (which I'm sure
they mean) doesn't support vectors and PNG isn't the most obvious choice for a vector format.
If I win. I could spend the prize money a new 486 to install NetBSD on!!
But seriously. I think we should chip in a couple bucks to the cash prize and fatten the pot. Who is with me? I think NetBSD deserves are really fantastic logo, and I think whoever comes up with it should be rewarded!
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Why would NetBSD run a Lego competition?? Oh wait .. nevermind.
Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
I think we are forgetting here what the old logo stands for:
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let's not forget what we stand for.
Of course the netbsd jellyfish!!! Found in tropic and artic waters.
Ya know, I have a story about a dead squirrel I had in a cardboard box(really), and I never thought it would be on topic in a Slashdot forum. I don't think the dead squirrel was running NetBSD, but whatever OS it did have had apparently crashed hard. :)
We may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode. -Capt. Mal Reynolds
Wow, I just recently changed my sig, and it's already on topic! I don't really want to change, though, so I stay out of Soviet Russia. (Does subtlety help here?)
We may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode. -Capt. Mal Reynolds
The pepperered moth is an example of MICRO-evolution, not MACRO-evolution. MICRO-evolution fits with Darwin's "survival of the fittest" notion where certain EXISTING attributes cause one group to thrive rather than another. In the example of the peppered moth, more of the darker moths survive in a polluted environment because they camouflage better than white moths and therefore are less likely to be caught by predators.
MACRO-evolution is the next step in that concept which asserts that certain previously NON-EXISTANT attributes develop over time due to some magical mutation which occurs during breeding (ie: the monkey-to-man concept). Creationists have no problem with the concept of micro-evolution. It's a common misconception. And, just because micro-evolution is true, doesn't mean that macro-evolution is necessarily correct.
alive, and kicking!
I wonder what your brother-in-law does whenever he sees a rainbow in the sky?
-Lasse
ohhhhhhhh come on, he's just a little devil!
... we don't like devils or for that matter anything that might make us think of devils!!!
This is a democracy and as such, majority wins AND majority says
... rules the jungle without fear.
Hmmmm, troll looks HUNGRY.. guess I'll toss a bone.
I, personally, am deeply offended by the insane attempts of far too many otherwise intelligent people in this decade to bury the age-old stereotypes, differences of belief, and general feelings beneath a very thin veneer of political correctness. What's so wrong about being honest?
I'm not against integration, and I cherish diversity. Learning about other cultures is a good thing, but pretending they aren't different when they are is stupid. If wearing a red shirt is offensive to the group of people who were extras on ST:TOS, should everyone stop wearing red shirts because they MIGHT feel bad? I'd suggest that those people who become upset over P.C. issues should ask themselves why they're upset... and maybe grow up a little.
Where are the Satanists to defend their beliefs? Seriously, if Christians can get all bent out of shape at the logo of a devil, why can't Satanists demand that the cross be banned from public display because it offends them? Either it works both ways, or not at all.
The logo in question is being dragged through the mud because a few religious zealots woke up and started looking at free operating systems and saw a devil? What, are they so stupid that they assumed this literally meant "Satan Inside"? Didn't the cute smile tip them off about the concept of caricature?
I checked my calendar... it's not 040401 yet, and 040104 has passed (YYMMDD anyways), so let's repost this when the time is right.
That looks like a retarded 11 year old
1) Your analysis is based on bad assumptions so your result is way off. 2) You're a sick bastard for fucking a horse.
How about the logo currently on display at http://www.sco.com/ It should be for sale cheap, quite soon.
Why not piss off religious extremists and violate copyright at the same time by using the Tazmanian Devil as a logo?
Long live the Speaker Bracelet
Rolo D. Monkey
What is offensive about the Iwo Jima Monument? Is it the fact that it reminds hippies of americans raising a flag?
I doubt if any Marine would be insulted that a bunch of freaks from Berkely want to emulate anything related to a Marine victory!
Mt suribachi is a good analogy for what netBSD is up against, climbing a mountain of freeBSD ignorance, while getting sniped at by openBSD holdouts.
I've got a logo that NetBSD could use for free ... well, in a couple of months or so. Just change the 'S', 'C', and 'O' to a 'B', 'S', and a 'D'.
If people want religious, I don't think you can get much more religious than Utah, where (I hear) this logo comes from.
I'm surprised she'd consent to working at a McD's that was on a road with such a filthy name.
"I sixty-nine."
I mean, really.
+++ATH0
In Hoc Signe Vincet -- In this sign you shall conquer, Constantine I -- St. Constantine the Great. Remember. The burning Chi-Rho in the sky? reunification of the Roman Empire...??
I'm trying to mate with that Darwin platapus in order to make offspring which will carry on the fight.
Seriously, they are everywhere. NetBSD wants to run on everything. Cockroaches do run on everything (literally).
If I could draw, I'd make a logo with a cockroach coming out of (or from behind) a computer, or maybe a front on shot showing a cockroach standing over a computer (with perspective making it seem large compared to the computer). The catchphrase could be something like "we'll look after your machine".
has negative cultural, and religious ramifications.
So political correctness has made it to open source.
Afriad so.
It's a pity the Daemon is out. There's a logical derivative of the BSD Daemon-in-tennies-with-pitchfork that just REEKS of NetBSD.
Dress him up as a retiarius!
He's already got a bare head and the trident in his right hand. Put him in a tunic, put a dagger in his belt, and put a round, weighted net in his left hand. (Keep the tenni-runners and grin, of course.)
For those of you not familiar with it, a retiarius ("net-thrower") is one of the classic arms-and-armor forms for a Roman gladiator - and perhaps the most formidable.
In a battle with his common and more well-known opponent (the "secutor" - short sword, smooth helm {to avoid entanglement in the net}, some body armor, curved rectangular shield - much like a private in the Roman army), the retiarius was the winner likely winner - fending off the sword and attacking the legs and exposed part of the arms with the trident, entangling him in the net, pulling him over with the net or tripping him with the trident (all from a distance), then finishing him off (if the audience thought the secutor had performed badly) with the dagger. (This was such a foregone conclusion that the secutor's helm typically had a fish on it as its only potentially net-tangling ornimentation - to indicate that he was the retiarius' natural prey.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Have a look at this Jack Chick tract where he exhorts us all to accept Cthulhu as our personal saviour. Heartwarming stuff.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
That damn link just crashed my SGI!
DAMN X-ISTS!!
prabob
for a tour of unix logos, please see http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/freebooks.html for a tour of the lambda logo, see http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/lambda_logo.htm l
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xahlee.org
http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html
Not able to access http://www.netbsd.org/images/NetBSD.gif (probably due to Slashdotting), I hopped on the Google Bus.
Considering the issues surrounding the proposed replacement of the NetBSD image, I find it very ironic that the first image showing up in a Google Image Search for NetBSD.gif was in fact the homepage of the Japan NetBSD Users' Group.
I think that the penguin for Linux is cute - Maybe a Puffin?
Not really. A swastika is the symbol of an organization that verifiably eradicated six million jews and similar numbers of gay people, Romany gypsies, etc.
Did six million really die?
My history book says 5-6 million, so is it verified?
(from rec.humor.funny archive)/ satan.773. html
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/new89
The following is a true story.
Last week I walked into a local "home style cookin' restaurant/watering hole" to pick up a take out order. I spoke briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would be done in a few minutes.
So, while I was busy gazing at the farm implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two, uh, um... well, let's call them "natives." These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks--complete with ten-gallon hats, snakeskin boots and the pervasive odor of cheap beer and whiskey.
"Pardon us, ma'am. Mind of we ask you a question?"
Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I nodded.
"Are you a Satanist?"
Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.
"Uh, no, I can't say that I am."
"Gee ma'am. Are you sure about that?" they asked.
I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and said, "No, I'm positive. The closest I've ever come to Satanism is watching Geraldo."
"Hmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have the lord of darkness on your chest there."
I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene--then I stopped and noticed the T-shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish looking creature that has for quite some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In this particular representation, the creature was wearing sneakers.
They continued: "See, ma'am, we don't exactly appreciate it when people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he's lookin' so friendly."
These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.
Me: "Oh, well, see, this isn't really the devil, it's just, well, it's sort of a mascot."
Native: "And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?"
Me: "Oh, it's not a team. It's an operating-- uh, a kind of computer."
I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the word "unix" I would only make things worse.
Native: "Where does this satanical computer come from?"
Me: "California. And there's nothing satanical about it really."
Somewhere along the line here, the waitress has noticed my predicament--but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.
Native: "Ma'am, I think you're lying. And we'd appreciate it if you'd leave the premises now."
Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves by talking to each other.
Native #1: "Do you think the police know about these devil computers?"
Native #2: "If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about 'em."
They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time: "You're really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this `kind of computers.' Universities, researchers, businesses. They're actually very useful."
Big, big, BIG mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.
Native: "Does the government use these devil computers?"
Me: "Yes."
Another BIG boo-boo.
Native: "And does the government pay for 'em? With our tax dollars?"
I decided that it was time to jump ship.
Me: "No. Nope. Not at all. You're tax dollars never entered the picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye."
Texas. What a country.