Konqueror itself will be released with KDE2- the web site is there to be a place for users to find out information about it and decide whether or not they want to use it. If GNOME's killer app will be Evolution, KDE's killer app is definitely Konqueror. It is the testbed and backbone for nearly every one of the new KDE2 technologies- KIO, KParts, KHTML, and several more.
It's an interesting world to be in, and the site is only going to get better. As the webmaster, I can say that it *will* definitely get better.
There is one factual error in your post- Stallman isn't/wasn't/never has been against "paying for software"- IIRC he used to charge quite a bit for a couple of floppies with emacs on them. Ridiculous amounts, for a few floppies... but he used that cash to found the GNU project. This is of course what I remember from my self-taught history about GNU/Linux and all... take with a grain of salt. However, I'm pretty sure that he's always meant "freedom" as in liberty, not as in gratuity.
BTW: My dream distro is Debian with *all* of the above... imagine it with the 2.4 kernel, KDE2 with Konqueror or GNOME2 with Mozilla and Evolution on top of XFree86 4.0 all placed on a nice journaling filesystem... oh, what a glorious day that shall be. I can then die in peace and happiness.
I was looking through all of the comments and, seeing that no one had asked a question I had been wondering about for a long time, I felt I had to ask- why the letter "G"? Any particular significance? By this, I mean- GNU is obviously, to those who know it, a recursive acronym; however, could it not as easily have been PNU? Or FNU? Or even ZNU? Why G? (Obviously, everything else that follows is based on that G, so it seems to have had a significant role...)
Gaming on Linux is still something of a lackluster area; this could be the most incredibly cool thing to happen since the Mindcraft benchmarks (anybody remember how the kernel developers suddenly figured out some really cool ways to squeeze extra juice out of multiple processors? : )
LOL- you hit it right on the head with your last comment; Linux-Mandrake has security settings. I'm amazed you don't know about it. : )
I'm not sure that it's definitely a "secure" linux but it has configurable security options, which is definitely a step above the rest of the distros; maybe you should grab a copy of Mandrake7.0. Or maybe you meant something totally different and I'm just stupid.
-Chris
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This release was already released on all the major mirrors- it's how I've been running BeOS on my box, since I refuse to install Windows... : )
I enjoyed the article; but I think that credit belongs where credit is due, and the author makes it seem like GNOME has been the only one copying M$ with the component model. Am I the only one who noticed that there was a working model called KOM/OpenParts in the alpha versions of KDE2?
::sighs:: I guess so. The KDE team decided that CORBA was too big and heavy to use in a lightweight desktop environment, so they scrapped it in favor of DCOP/KParts. Still, it works right now.... for me, at least. Your mileage may vary... : )
PS: Anybody else notice that he mistakenly claims that Miguel started GNOME because of IE? Doesn't that seem kind of... odd? Here I thought it was because Miguel didn't like the licensing of Qt... silly me.
The KDE 1.x.x series did use CORBA but KDE 2.x.x will not. The KDE team has replaced it with KDE Parts, which is not CORBA. If you want a object oriented desktop then gnome is better with true CORBA and bonobo objects, but none of that stuff should really matter to a regular user.
No, actually- the KDE2.x series *was* based on CORBA, and you're right that it's been replaced- but they replaced it with DCOP, not KParts. KParts is the replacement for the KOM/OpenParts mess that they used to have- and the KParts stuff works. Fast as hell, too.
All I'd like to know is- who gives Mr. Bezos the right to patent the "One-Click" shopping that Amazon uses so much? Is he not satisfied with the billions of dollars that he's already currently worth? Does he feel that he has to do it for the shareholders, or is he just greedy? Just a couple of things that I think we should all think about....
That... and really, is one-click shopping really what it is? I mean, don't you have to make at least a few clicks anyway (choose a novel, type in your name/credit card number [at least the first time] and then follow that by the confirmation, choosing the shipping....)? Is it really One-Click, and is it even revolutionary?
My point was exactly that- technically, what are the advantages of using GNOME over using KDE, especially from a programming perspective? I don't know how many other/.'ers use the pre-alpha version of KDE2, but I'm one of the lucky few- and I can tell you, it's impressing the hell out of me.
To start with, there is the whole idea of KParts and the embedding of parts within eachother. From what I can tell, Bonobo does equal KParts in basic functionality; but IMHO the KParts mechanism is/would be more attractive to prospective developers since it is already working/in use by two MAJOR (albeit pre-alpha) projects: Konqueror and the KOffice suite. The beauty of the KParts mechanism comes into play when you realize that you have the ability to embed a web page into a KWord document which could be embedded into a Kpresenter presentation... which could on the next slide have a Kspreadsheet with an embedded Kchart. It's true desktop office functionality- with source, and for free.
Also, maybe not as impressive as KParts (or maybe more, depending on how you look at it) is the new KIO library. KIO is what provides the getting/putting of files for applications within KDE- and it's new implementation is over 5 times faster than it used to be. It blazes (by my calculations, Konqueror with KIO is about two or three times faster than Mozilla currently) and it's totally internet transparent. So by including a couple of headers and writing a few small lines of code, one could theoretically have a very nice application which integrated with the entire KOffice suite while also being lightning-quick and providing a nice viewing component for the Konqueror.
What I'd like to know is- what are the structural advantages of GNOME over KDE's? Especially since GNOME-2.0 has a lot more time left to take (KDE2 is supposed to be released this spring); what will they be offering to developers to convince them that GNOME is where to be?
I've used the GNOME panel - I like it, but in my experience (from versions.66 to 1.0.53) it's never been quite stable and it hasn't always reacted as expected- if I start Sawmill and then the panel, half of the time GNOME-pager complains that I'm not running a GNOME-compliant window manager. I like the panel's functionality- when I use GNOME, I have a vertical bar in the upper right, a horizontal bar in the lower right, and a single button Menu launcher (with the foot icon) in the lower left corner. It's great- but I run KDE2 almost all of the time now, because it offers (to me) everything that I need from a desktop.
That doesn't mean it's perfect, but it works well enough. The pixmap themes are more stable (and leak one hell of a lot less memory) than the GTK+ equivalents, and it's relatively straightforward to convert a GTK theme to a KDE2 one. I've done so at my web page and you can see that although it's not *quite* the same, it works and it looks a lot better than the default settings.
Anyway, back to your post. Everything in Kicker, the new KDE panel for KDE2, is also an applet- and there's a nice structure and backbone provided for building your own custom applets with it. However, I like it relatively simple, so I leave well enough alone. However, I am most impressed by Konqueror, the new KDE file manager/everything browser. Somebody pointed out that you can coax Explorer into doing some of the things Konqi does (automatic embedding of document views, like a Word doc or a KWord doc [in konq's case]) but you can't do the frames! Once you actually see the frame action working, you'll switch back.... ; )
This is good. TINAFB (this is not a flame but) does it seem like GNOME is playing "catchup" with KDE in more than one way? They've been left behind with the release versions, they've had to come up with their own implementation of a COM-like mechanism, and they don't have an integrated office suite or a web browser. (Clarification: GNOME Office is not *yet* integrated, from what I can tell.) What exactly will they offer that you can't get with the other desktop?
I'm actually curious about this- Gnumeric is awesome, and I could probably never convince anybody who uses windows/excel currently to even *try* linux without it- but what do they offer that you can't get with KDE? What's the added value? How would you sell GNOME to your manager, especially if he's read some article waxing poetic about KDE?
funny... I don't recall actually seeing the ability in Explorer to *open* a document for *viewing* only in the *same* exact window that you've been using for *everything* else. That's my point. If you can, then hey, great. But I don't trust the stability of Microsoft's implementation of it; that's not to say that the current state of KDE's implementation is any better, *but* they don't claim in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM that it's even close to ready for mass use yet. Unlike Microsoft.
I think that you have a good point BUT I do have to point out KOffice and the GNOME-Office suites. Now, they're not perfect by far and maybe they don't offer all of the features of MS-Office (yet) but they have the *ability* to do so via the OpenSource development model that they use. Not only are they nearly as functional, but in some cases they actually work *better* than their MS-equivalents.
Example: PowerPoint only creates presentations that will work correctly with IE4.x or higher; KPresenter creates (albeit static) presentations you can even view with G!zilla and/or KFM, Konqueror, mozilla, IEx.x, NSx.x... any web browser that supports images, basically. I like that.
Also, when was the last time that you saw Explorer embed a Word document? In a frame? How about PostScript or PDF? Spreadsheets? Microsoft is going to have to worry about people wanting these cool features- I already show them to my friends and they drool, because they want a desktop that can do what mine can.
But I've put up a theme for KDE2 at my web site for anyone with KDE2 to check out. Also, I've got screenshots of what my desktop looks like while running it (yeah, it's not perfect yet- so sue me.:)
Linus has never, in my opinion, had any sort of an "official" opinion on fragmentation; if I can recall correctly, he had once stated that the possibility of fragmentation worried him a bit, but that he wasn't worried about it. Maybe he's decided that it can be good after having thought about it more- who are *you* to decide how his opinions should be?
Next: Metcalfe has never been right from what I can tell. I've never had any respect for him and I don't like being compared to farm animals, and even less to Communist farm animals. One thing that you should realize is that this is really a new paradigm in the whole processor arena- and how many people here enjoy being ruled by the Intel monopoly? Argue as much as you want, and yes, AMD is a threat- but as far as everything goes, Intel owns the market; if the Code-morphing software and its entire API were opened, Intel could take over and crush Transmeta. Personally, I don't enjoy monopolies myself, so I will be voting iwth my money for a Crusoe-powered laptop when the time comes.
Linux isn't working for anything- if you meant that Linus is now working for a proprietary software/hardware company, why don't you look at his alternatives? This is the BEST POSSIBLE option that he could have chosen, IMHO. The only non-proprietary hardware/software companies I can think of :
Software: RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake... Linux distro-producers etc..
Hardware: None
By joining any kind of a Linux company, he gives that company an unfair advantage in the market - "Look! Linus Torvalds works for RedHat! They must have the best version of Linux out there!" So his options are kind of limited. I think that Transmeta has got something here; just because they prefer to stay alive in the process of being the owners of a great new product has no effect on my opinion of them.
Also, there is some small difference between an application and the hardware instructions that the Code-Morphing software provides. Mainly that an application provides a way for people to use a computer, and the Code-Morphing software provides a way to use the processor.
While I respect the opinions of the author of this article, I have to say that in my experience the apps for Linux just aren't up to the same caliber as those available for Windows yet. I mean, can you show me a mail client as powerful and easy to use as Outlook Express? How about a word processor with the feature set of Word (and I know a lot of/. readers think of a spell checker as "bloatware", but some of us like having a lot of options we can configure).
On the whole, I do agree with your post- but I would like to take an exception to this particular part of it. If the spell checker is all that you care about, hell, even kEdit and gEdit can use the (default in most linux distros) ispell program, and they do. Does notepad or wordpad include a spellchecker? I didn't think so.
But on the whole, as I said above- you are mostly right. We don't need to keep patting ourselves on the back, we need to bring things up to par- and Outlook is a damn good example, as is IE. Mozilla's not there yet. It's getting closer every day (I'm downloading the latest build as we speak) and I think that it's great, but we don't have a great web browser yet. Nor do we have a great mail client. We still lack the one thing that Microsoft can claim over us- unification and easy drop-in replacements of parts. KDE is doing great things in regard to this- KParts is a great stride forward in this field (as also noted in another post) but it's not perfect and it's not even public yet.
Does anybody else notice that PA seems to be trying to actually gather more technologically-minded people in their area? Is there a reason? Are they not fulfilling their FBI/CIA quota now? Do they think that by drawing techies and hackers towards the city, they'll improve morale and also maybe up their FBI/CIA output levels? Does anybody think that this post is useless?
Miguel was NOT SIMPLY REFERRING TO AQUA'S LOOK. If you would care to do some looking around and reading, you'd notice that he was actually insinuating the idea that perhaps it would be trivial to make GNOME/SM or GNOME/E to look like Aqua (an E theme is already there, isn't it?) but also that the whole Quartz idea could be implemented in GNOME by the use of the brand new Libart toolkit. Do you follow this news?
STD DSCLMR: I'm not a GNOME evangelist; I'm actually a KDE guy. Moderate me accordingly.;-) BUT I'm pretty excited about the possibility of an OpenSource and free alternative to picking up Apple's systems; that, and I really don't have the cash for a shiny new Apple computer. So, if Libart=Quartz for X, then I'm all for it and the GNOME camp could have just found a new member. It's that impressive.
What the hell is the/. crew doing up at these crazy hours of the night? It's about 4:00 AM here in AZ, and... man. no lives... ; )
Ah well. This survey is pretty cool- but what's it good for? So we can pat ourselves on the back and grin, and point at MS and laugh? How about instead of that, we work on getting our uptimes to be better (and would somebody help out the BeOS people? Don't they deserve it?) and stop laughing at MS. Hey,... well, no, I can't really argue that they're trying. Nevermind.
Sorry, I must have misheard you. Did you just call it limited? I honestly can't believe that- go check out the W3C's Style Sheet Reference and come back and tell me that again. Style sheets offer so much more customizability and layout freedom than standard HTML, but they rejuvenate an admittedly limited standard... and Mozilla is the way to go for the correct rendering of them!
I'll have no problem with them releasing their own client that plays DVDs across EVERY version of Linux if they can produce one. If I've got a DVD-ROM and I have drivers for the board (Thanks, Creative!) then I damn well expect that I should be able to play some f*cking DVDs, whether I'm using Windows or not.
But if they're not offering anything, then they sure as hell shouldn't be putting down these guys who are just trying to simply provide for us when the big guys won't. Put up or shut up, I say.
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Konqueror itself will be released with KDE2- the web site is there to be a place for users to find out information about it and decide whether or not they want to use it. If GNOME's killer app will be Evolution, KDE's killer app is definitely Konqueror. It is the testbed and backbone for nearly every one of the new KDE2 technologies- KIO, KParts, KHTML, and several more.
It's an interesting world to be in, and the site is only going to get better. As the webmaster, I can say that it *will* definitely get better.
-Chris
There is one factual error in your post- Stallman isn't/wasn't/never has been against "paying for software"- IIRC he used to charge quite a bit for a couple of floppies with emacs on them. Ridiculous amounts, for a few floppies... but he used that cash to found the GNU project. This is of course what I remember from my self-taught history about GNU/Linux and all... take with a grain of salt. However, I'm pretty sure that he's always meant "freedom" as in liberty, not as in gratuity.
-Chris
I've got my money on KDE2.0.
: )
BTW: My dream distro is Debian with *all* of the above... imagine it with the 2.4 kernel, KDE2 with Konqueror or GNOME2 with Mozilla and Evolution on top of XFree86 4.0 all placed on a nice journaling filesystem... oh, what a glorious day that shall be. I can then die in peace and happiness.
I was looking through all of the comments and, seeing that no one had asked a question I had been wondering about for a long time, I felt I had to ask- why the letter "G"? Any particular significance? By this, I mean- GNU is obviously, to those who know it, a recursive acronym; however, could it not as easily have been PNU? Or FNU? Or even ZNU? Why G? (Obviously, everything else that follows is based on that G, so it seems to have had a significant role...)
-Chris
Gaming on Linux is still something of a lackluster area; this could be the most incredibly cool thing to happen since the Mindcraft benchmarks (anybody remember how the kernel developers suddenly figured out some really cool ways to squeeze extra juice out of multiple processors? : )
Very cool.
LOL- you hit it right on the head with your last comment; Linux-Mandrake has security settings. I'm amazed you don't know about it. : )
I'm not sure that it's definitely a "secure" linux but it has configurable security options, which is definitely a step above the rest of the distros; maybe you should grab a copy of Mandrake7.0. Or maybe you meant something totally different and I'm just stupid.
-Chris
This release was already released on all the major mirrors- it's how I've been running BeOS on my box, since I refuse to install Windows... : )
Kinda late notice there, eh?
I enjoyed the article; but I think that credit belongs where credit is due, and the author makes it seem like GNOME has been the only one copying M$ with the component model. Am I the only one who noticed that there was a working model called KOM/OpenParts in the alpha versions of KDE2?
::sighs:: I guess so. The KDE team decided that CORBA was too big and heavy to use in a lightweight desktop environment, so they scrapped it in favor of DCOP/KParts. Still, it works right now.... for me, at least. Your mileage may vary... : )
PS: Anybody else notice that he mistakenly claims that Miguel started GNOME because of IE? Doesn't that seem kind of... odd? Here I thought it was because Miguel didn't like the licensing of Qt... silly me.
No, actually- the KDE2.x series *was* based on CORBA, and you're right that it's been replaced- but they replaced it with DCOP, not KParts. KParts is the replacement for the KOM/OpenParts mess that they used to have- and the KParts stuff works. Fast as hell, too.
-Chris
All I'd like to know is- who gives Mr. Bezos the right to patent the "One-Click" shopping that Amazon uses so much? Is he not satisfied with the billions of dollars that he's already currently worth? Does he feel that he has to do it for the shareholders, or is he just greedy? Just a couple of things that I think we should all think about....
That... and really, is one-click shopping really what it is? I mean, don't you have to make at least a few clicks anyway (choose a novel, type in your name/credit card number [at least the first time] and then follow that by the confirmation, choosing the shipping....)? Is it really One-Click, and is it even revolutionary?
-Chris
My point was exactly that- technically, what are the advantages of using GNOME over using KDE, especially from a programming perspective? I don't know how many other /.'ers use the pre-alpha version of KDE2, but I'm one of the lucky few- and I can tell you, it's impressing the hell out of me.
To start with, there is the whole idea of KParts and the embedding of parts within eachother. From what I can tell, Bonobo does equal KParts in basic functionality; but IMHO the KParts mechanism is/would be more attractive to prospective developers since it is already working/in use by two MAJOR (albeit pre-alpha) projects: Konqueror and the KOffice suite. The beauty of the KParts mechanism comes into play when you realize that you have the ability to embed a web page into a KWord document which could be embedded into a Kpresenter presentation... which could on the next slide have a Kspreadsheet with an embedded Kchart. It's true desktop office functionality- with source, and for free.
Also, maybe not as impressive as KParts (or maybe more, depending on how you look at it) is the new KIO library. KIO is what provides the getting/putting of files for applications within KDE- and it's new implementation is over 5 times faster than it used to be. It blazes (by my calculations, Konqueror with KIO is about two or three times faster than Mozilla currently) and it's totally internet transparent. So by including a couple of headers and writing a few small lines of code, one could theoretically have a very nice application which integrated with the entire KOffice suite while also being lightning-quick and providing a nice viewing component for the Konqueror.
What I'd like to know is- what are the structural advantages of GNOME over KDE's? Especially since GNOME-2.0 has a lot more time left to take (KDE2 is supposed to be released this spring); what will they be offering to developers to convince them that GNOME is where to be?
I've used the GNOME panel - I like it, but in my experience (from versions .66 to 1.0.53) it's never been quite stable and it hasn't always reacted as expected- if I start Sawmill and then the panel, half of the time GNOME-pager complains that I'm not running a GNOME-compliant window manager. I like the panel's functionality- when I use GNOME, I have a vertical bar in the upper right, a horizontal bar in the lower right, and a single button Menu launcher (with the foot icon) in the lower left corner. It's great- but I run KDE2 almost all of the time now, because it offers (to me) everything that I need from a desktop.
That doesn't mean it's perfect, but it works well enough. The pixmap themes are more stable (and leak one hell of a lot less memory) than the GTK+ equivalents, and it's relatively straightforward to convert a GTK theme to a KDE2 one. I've done so at my web page and you can see that although it's not *quite* the same, it works and it looks a lot better than the default settings.
Anyway, back to your post. Everything in Kicker, the new KDE panel for KDE2, is also an applet- and there's a nice structure and backbone provided for building your own custom applets with it. However, I like it relatively simple, so I leave well enough alone. However, I am most impressed by Konqueror, the new KDE file manager/everything browser. Somebody pointed out that you can coax Explorer into doing some of the things Konqi does (automatic embedding of document views, like a Word doc or a KWord doc [in konq's case]) but you can't do the frames! Once you actually see the frame action working, you'll switch back.... ; )
Or not. But that's why choice is good, no? : )
This is good. TINAFB (this is not a flame but) does it seem like GNOME is playing "catchup" with KDE in more than one way? They've been left behind with the release versions, they've had to come up with their own implementation of a COM-like mechanism, and they don't have an integrated office suite or a web browser. (Clarification: GNOME Office is not *yet* integrated, from what I can tell.) What exactly will they offer that you can't get with the other desktop?
I'm actually curious about this- Gnumeric is awesome, and I could probably never convince anybody who uses windows/excel currently to even *try* linux without it- but what do they offer that you can't get with KDE? What's the added value? How would you sell GNOME to your manager, especially if he's read some article waxing poetic about KDE?
funny... I don't recall actually seeing the ability in Explorer to *open* a document for *viewing* only in the *same* exact window that you've been using for *everything* else. That's my point. If you can, then hey, great. But I don't trust the stability of Microsoft's implementation of it; that's not to say that the current state of KDE's implementation is any better, *but* they don't claim in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM that it's even close to ready for mass use yet. Unlike Microsoft.
I think that you have a good point BUT I do have to point out KOffice and the GNOME-Office suites. Now, they're not perfect by far and maybe they don't offer all of the features of MS-Office (yet) but they have the *ability* to do so via the OpenSource development model that they use. Not only are they nearly as functional, but in some cases they actually work *better* than their MS-equivalents.
Example: PowerPoint only creates presentations that will work correctly with IE4.x or higher; KPresenter creates (albeit static) presentations you can even view with G!zilla and/or KFM, Konqueror, mozilla, IEx.x, NSx.x... any web browser that supports images, basically. I like that.
Also, when was the last time that you saw Explorer embed a Word document? In a frame? How about PostScript or PDF? Spreadsheets? Microsoft is going to have to worry about people wanting these cool features- I already show them to my friends and they drool, because they want a desktop that can do what mine can.
But I've put up a theme for KDE2 at my web site for anyone with KDE2 to check out. Also, I've got screenshots of what my desktop looks like while running it (yeah, it's not perfect yet- so sue me. :)
Linus has never, in my opinion, had any sort of an "official" opinion on fragmentation; if I can recall correctly, he had once stated that the possibility of fragmentation worried him a bit, but that he wasn't worried about it. Maybe he's decided that it can be good after having thought about it more- who are *you* to decide how his opinions should be?
Next: Metcalfe has never been right from what I can tell. I've never had any respect for him and I don't like being compared to farm animals, and even less to Communist farm animals. One thing that you should realize is that this is really a new paradigm in the whole processor arena- and how many people here enjoy being ruled by the Intel monopoly? Argue as much as you want, and yes, AMD is a threat- but as far as everything goes, Intel owns the market; if the Code-morphing software and its entire API were opened, Intel could take over and crush Transmeta. Personally, I don't enjoy monopolies myself, so I will be voting iwth my money for a Crusoe-powered laptop when the time comes.
Linux isn't working for anything- if you meant that Linus is now working for a proprietary software/hardware company, why don't you look at his alternatives? This is the BEST POSSIBLE option that he could have chosen, IMHO. The only non-proprietary hardware/software companies I can think of :
Software: RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake... Linux distro-producers etc..
Hardware: None
By joining any kind of a Linux company, he gives that company an unfair advantage in the market - "Look! Linus Torvalds works for RedHat! They must have the best version of Linux out there!" So his options are kind of limited. I think that Transmeta has got something here; just because they prefer to stay alive in the process of being the owners of a great new product has no effect on my opinion of them.
Also, there is some small difference between an application and the hardware instructions that the Code-Morphing software provides. Mainly that an application provides a way for people to use a computer, and the Code-Morphing software provides a way to use the processor.
On the whole, I do agree with your post- but I would like to take an exception to this particular part of it. If the spell checker is all that you care about, hell, even kEdit and gEdit can use the (default in most linux distros) ispell program, and they do. Does notepad or wordpad include a spellchecker? I didn't think so.
But on the whole, as I said above- you are mostly right. We don't need to keep patting ourselves on the back, we need to bring things up to par- and Outlook is a damn good example, as is IE. Mozilla's not there yet. It's getting closer every day (I'm downloading the latest build as we speak) and I think that it's great, but we don't have a great web browser yet. Nor do we have a great mail client. We still lack the one thing that Microsoft can claim over us- unification and easy drop-in replacements of parts. KDE is doing great things in regard to this- KParts is a great stride forward in this field (as also noted in another post) but it's not perfect and it's not even public yet.
Just give us time...
Does anybody else notice that PA seems to be trying to actually gather more technologically-minded people in their area? Is there a reason? Are they not fulfilling their FBI/CIA quota now? Do they think that by drawing techies and hackers towards the city, they'll improve morale and also maybe up their FBI/CIA output levels? Does anybody think that this post is useless?
STD DSCLMR: I'm not a GNOME evangelist; I'm actually a KDE guy. Moderate me accordingly. ;-) BUT I'm pretty excited about the possibility of an OpenSource and free alternative to picking up Apple's systems; that, and I really don't have the cash for a shiny new Apple computer. So, if Libart=Quartz for X, then I'm all for it and the GNOME camp could have just found a new member. It's that impressive.
These are, quite arguably, some of the most successful pieces of Open-Source(tm) software out today. Rebuttals?
-Chris
What the hell is the /. crew doing up at these crazy hours of the night? It's about 4:00 AM here in AZ, and ... man. no lives... ; )
... well, no, I can't really argue that they're trying. Nevermind.
Ah well. This survey is pretty cool- but what's it good for? So we can pat ourselves on the back and grin, and point at MS and laugh? How about instead of that, we work on getting our uptimes to be better (and would somebody help out the BeOS people? Don't they deserve it?) and stop laughing at MS. Hey,
-Chris
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Sorry, I must have misheard you. Did you just call it limited? I honestly can't believe that- go check out the W3C's Style Sheet Reference and come back and tell me that again. Style sheets offer so much more customizability and layout freedom than standard HTML, but they rejuvenate an admittedly limited standard... and Mozilla is the way to go for the correct rendering of them!
</plug>
I'll have no problem with them releasing their own client that plays DVDs across EVERY version of Linux if they can produce one. If I've got a DVD-ROM and I have drivers for the board (Thanks, Creative!) then I damn well expect that I should be able to play some f*cking DVDs, whether I'm using Windows or not.
But if they're not offering anything, then they sure as hell shouldn't be putting down these guys who are just trying to simply provide for us when the big guys won't. Put up or shut up, I say.
Those damn Injuns... running on over 5 million sites now? Cletus, go get the shotgun.
LOL
seriously, though, what a great thing- and what percent of the market share belongs to Microsoft?