If you really want to see the difference, then, please, by all means - either install KDE 2.0 binaries, and watch how long KDE takes to start up and work, and then try KDE 2.2, and then 3.0, and 3.1. If you really just want to be lazy, then try just going from 2.0 to 3.1 - there is an insane amount of speed difference.
As far as things go from KDE1 - well, KDE1 was insanely fast compared to KDE2 and KDE3, but it also had almost none of the features that we're all enjoying with the newer releases.
But KDE has been getting progressively faster as time goes on, not slower.
Personally, I don't drink anything that's hot enough to cause third degree burns on my skin, but if that's your bag, then more power to you.
Maybe you can drink coffee that is near the boiling point of water, but us normal humans like to wait for it to cool down a little bit before we melt our tongues and cheeks off.
The problem is of course that SCO sponsored a lot of Linux development, and we don't have any proof that they didn't put the code their themselves.
As far as the bike analogy goes - if your bike "shows up" in my garage because you planted it there, and then you say I stole it, you're not only lying, but you're slandering me by calling me a thief and you're also guilty of conspiracy to frame me. SCO is doing all of this and more.
Also, one last thing - keep in mind that just because SCO might actually have a case does NOT mean that they will win, not by a long shot. They obviously have no idea what they're doing or what they're talking about when it comes to patent infringement (hint: patent owners have the right to choose when and how they enforce their patents), and for all of their talk about how wrong the GPL is, they are still distributing the kernel sources from their own FTP server right now, without securing them via any sort of authentication mechanism. No password, no public-key handshaking, nothing.
So, as much as I doubt that SCO even has a case, I'm willing to grant the possibility that they might, but they're destroying it themselves via their own unprofessional actions and statements. Not only that... but they decided to go after IBM for an IP case. IBM, the company that out-litigated the Department of Justice. And we're not even talking "convinced a Republican president to call off the DoJ hounds" out-litigated - we're talking "spent more money and had better lawyers" out-litigated. So, even if they are in the right (which I personally seriously doubt) they still don't get to win necessarily, just because of our amazing legal system here in the USA.
And, even though Boies may be famous, he is an ex-IBM lawyer. He's also under review in Florida and may be disbarred.
All in all, I've got my popcorn ready. I've always got FreeBSD to fall back on if things get too out-of-hand.
Heh. And since Apple only has, what, 3% of the computer market, then they must only be making a paltry $82.25 off of their music, too, right? Please.
Even if Mozilla users only make up 1% of the Internet, which I find extremely unlikely (I don't know if you know this, but every new Sony, Compaq, and HP machine I've seen at Best Buy has Netscape 7 preinstalled), that's still a ridiculously large potential market. And don't forget that Mozilla users aren't just on Windows, either; on Linux, Mozilla is quite popular, and on the Mac, Chimera/Camino has still got quite a following too. The amount of Mozilla users on the Net is a pretty large potential market.
It's the kind of market that would make purchases just because the site supports Mozilla and its ilk. Or the kind that would outright refuse to do so, AND recommend to all of their friends that they not use it.
The potential loss is so much greater that your post is just wrong. And you can, of course, never really accurately measure the potential loss - but I would be willing to bet that it's well over a few thousand dollars, if not a few hundred thousand dollars.
Just keep in mind, if you ever use Konqueror in KDE 3.2 (which will be the first release of KHTML with Safari's changes included), or if you ever notice that a few of those Linux programs start to get Rendezvous-enabled, you're using Apple's code. They've given back, and they're still doing so.
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Wow.
I think that this is quite possibly the first time I've ever seen you post something that I agree with, 100%.
I really don't think that IBM has anything to worry about as far as cash reserves go.
It's one of the classic blunders! The first of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second of which, and only less well known, is never get involved with a Sicilian when death is on the line. And the third, of course, is never get involved with IBM over an IP dispute!
No, I'm not totally disconnected from the internet.
I'm a KDE developer who happens to think that the majority of users - the non-pirating ones who use Kazaa and shut it off when they're not using it - the same ones who would rather buy a new PC than bother upgrading it - would rather pay for the feeling of being "legit" than bother with all of the hassle of spending their time downloading software from some sites that may have the same version, or may not.
Listen, most people value their time more than they value software. Are there people who would try to share the software that they bought? Of course. Would I care if someone redistributed my GPLed software? Not really. There are people who value their time more than they value getting their software without paying for it. And I'd dare say that the vast majority of the market is these users, as opposed to you guys.
Why does Adobe still make a profit, even though you can easily download Photoshop over Kazaa or eDonkey? Because people like paying for legitimate software, and because once they've paid for it, they don't necessarily want to share it with others.
Of course, I could be wrong, but the issue is definitely a lot more complicated than "Well, sure, you can sell GPL software, but only one person will ever buy it."
I sell you a copy for $25 and say it is redistributable. You then give away a million copies to anyone that asks.
I'd just like to point out that you would have to figure out a way to do this "for free". If you want to "give away" a million copies, how are you going to do it?
Bandwidth costs money. CDs cost money. Shipping, if you're going to go with some sort of physical media that does actually need to be shipped, also costs money.
It doesn't make _sense_ to spend money to "give away" something that you paid money for. It only takes a little while to figure this out.
Why do you think that there are so many more leechers than there are sharers on the P2P networks? What makes you think that someone is going to fund the giving-away of the software that they paid good money for?
I'm sorry, but it's your argument that falls apart in my eyes, especially after you give it a bit more thought. Of course there's no _legal_ stopping, and it might happen to be simple and legally allowed to share it with others, but greed if nothing else will stop people from giving away software that they pay money for.
That doesn't even begin to get into the trust issues.
Now, let's take your analogy farther. The Coder sells his GPL software to people for $25 per copy. An Evil User (TM) decides that he's going to give away the software that he paid $25 for, to other people, for free, and foot the costs of the bandwidth and the disk space and electricity bill on the server where he's offering it for free. Why would people trust the Evil User to not add backdoors, or trojans, or any other forms of virus to the software in the transition phase? Especially when you consider that the more people that download the software for free from the Evil User, the higher his costs are for providing it.
I'm kind of interested to see what you think about this.
-clee
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Heh. "old" Nextel phones?
The current ones still do it. I know exactly what you're talking about, because it's annoying as all hell.
(For those who don't know: A few of the Motorola phones that Nextel provides have the annoying habit of generating a really evil distortion in speakers. Especially louder speakers. The distortion seems to happen whenever the phone makes contact with the outside world - checking the voicemail service for new messages, receiving an incoming call, etc.)
Oh, right. So I must have imagined that Apple told the truth on their own web site about winning 3 out of the 4 SPEC benchmarks, using the same compiler on both platforms.
Please.
And they do admit that the only area where the P4 beats them is on the low-end single-processor SPECint test.
But for Slashdot, I guess that doesn't matter, since even when Apple tells the truth, all they get is "THEY LOST ONE BENCHMARK IT ISN'T AS FAST AS THEY SAID OMG THEY MUST BE LYING TO US".::sigh::
Damn. I was hoping that you guys were going to come up with something that sucked less than Nautils, too.;)
Although, honestly, even though it has been a long time coming, I really don't think that the file selection dialog is that big of a deal for the desktop. It's annoying in its current state, sure, but I don't think that anyone is going to say "OH! Look! GNOME has a superior file-selection dialog now! WE MUST SWITCH TO GNOME!"::grin::
However, you guys are definitely doing good work - please keep it up. I like using software that sucks less, and (if nothing else) I can honestly say that GNOME sucks less now than it used to... so by my book, at least, you guys are cool.
Except that the post I was replying to was claiming that Microsoft had not, in fact, been found guilty of this, when I proved that they had.
Just because the Bush administration gave them an easy ride doesn't mean that they weren't found guilty.
And in a court of law, the 'guilty' verdict is what matters, not your opinion or mine. Sadly, it appears that having a metric assload of money matters even more, since it was enough to get them out of it.
It is a fact, as found by a US court, that Microsoft is not only a monopoly, but an abusive one, deserving of severe punishment. The Bush administration got a large sum of cash from Microsoft, and made it go away conveniently.
Ugh. From what I hear, JBoss and Tomcat are evil if you're installing them. Not so bad to use once you get them going, but an absolute nightmare to install. (Never attempted it myself... too busy coding.)
I'd recommend PHP, but then so will a lot of people. JSP is kinda heavy if all you're doing is simple database work; app service integration, IMHO, should be done directly on top of the database (SOAP anyone?) but not from your web site's code.
Not only that, but with PHP, you can do simple database stuff (and even a lot of not-so-simple database stuff) very easily, and you can even use SOAP from a PHP page/application. The PHP/GTK+ guys even have an entire toolkit ready for you if you want to write apps in PHP... not that I would personally, since I have a personal vendetta against GTK+ myself, but it's definitely something to consider if all you want is simple database integration + remote API calls.
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Actually, that's not true.
There are patches that you can apply to VMware to get it to work properly with 2.6.
Gentoo handles this automatically if it detects that you're running a 2.6 kernel.
I found out how to do it manually here. Hope that helps.
You obviously don't remember KDE 2.0.
If you really want to see the difference, then, please, by all means - either install KDE 2.0 binaries, and watch how long KDE takes to start up and work, and then try KDE 2.2, and then 3.0, and 3.1. If you really just want to be lazy, then try just going from 2.0 to 3.1 - there is an insane amount of speed difference.
As far as things go from KDE1 - well, KDE1 was insanely fast compared to KDE2 and KDE3, but it also had almost none of the features that we're all enjoying with the newer releases.
But KDE has been getting progressively faster as time goes on, not slower.
Personally, I don't drink anything that's hot enough to cause third degree burns on my skin, but if that's your bag, then more power to you.
Maybe you can drink coffee that is near the boiling point of water, but us normal humans like to wait for it to cool down a little bit before we melt our tongues and cheeks off.
Uh...
The coffee at McDonald's in the United States was 185 degrees.
It was 185 degrees Fahrenheit.
You do the math.
The problem is of course that SCO sponsored a lot of Linux development, and we don't have any proof that they didn't put the code their themselves.
As far as the bike analogy goes - if your bike "shows up" in my garage because you planted it there, and then you say I stole it, you're not only lying, but you're slandering me by calling me a thief and you're also guilty of conspiracy to frame me. SCO is doing all of this and more.
Also, one last thing - keep in mind that just because SCO might actually have a case does NOT mean that they will win, not by a long shot. They obviously have no idea what they're doing or what they're talking about when it comes to patent infringement (hint: patent owners have the right to choose when and how they enforce their patents), and for all of their talk about how wrong the GPL is, they are still distributing the kernel sources from their own FTP server right now, without securing them via any sort of authentication mechanism. No password, no public-key handshaking, nothing.
So, as much as I doubt that SCO even has a case, I'm willing to grant the possibility that they might, but they're destroying it themselves via their own unprofessional actions and statements. Not only that... but they decided to go after IBM for an IP case. IBM, the company that out-litigated the Department of Justice. And we're not even talking "convinced a Republican president to call off the DoJ hounds" out-litigated - we're talking "spent more money and had better lawyers" out-litigated. So, even if they are in the right (which I personally seriously doubt) they still don't get to win necessarily, just because of our amazing legal system here in the USA.
And, even though Boies may be famous, he is an ex-IBM lawyer. He's also under review in Florida and may be disbarred.
All in all, I've got my popcorn ready. I've always got FreeBSD to fall back on if things get too out-of-hand.
According to the guys in #Micro95, it's their next target.
I'm not sure if you're just trolling or if you're seriously that underinformed.
In any case...Red Hat is doing something about it.
And IBM "will stand behind our products and our customers."
So... Let's see where this goes.
...Then ask your employer how much it would cost to add your girlfriend to your policy, if you were to get married.
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Heheheheheh.
Girlfriend? Wrong site, man.
Heh. And since Apple only has, what, 3% of the computer market, then they must only be making a paltry $82.25 off of their music, too, right? Please.
Even if Mozilla users only make up 1% of the Internet, which I find extremely unlikely (I don't know if you know this, but every new Sony, Compaq, and HP machine I've seen at Best Buy has Netscape 7 preinstalled), that's still a ridiculously large potential market. And don't forget that Mozilla users aren't just on Windows, either; on Linux, Mozilla is quite popular, and on the Mac, Chimera/Camino has still got quite a following too. The amount of Mozilla users on the Net is a pretty large potential market.
It's the kind of market that would make purchases just because the site supports Mozilla and its ilk. Or the kind that would outright refuse to do so, AND recommend to all of their friends that they not use it.
The potential loss is so much greater that your post is just wrong. And you can, of course, never really accurately measure the potential loss - but I would be willing to bet that it's well over a few thousand dollars, if not a few hundred thousand dollars.
Oh. So, it's not like Apple has ever advanced the state of the art in autoconfiguration or given back to the community that gave them the code for their shiny new web browser.
No, not at all.
Just keep in mind, if you ever use Konqueror in KDE 3.2 (which will be the first release of KHTML with Safari's changes included), or if you ever notice that a few of those Linux programs start to get Rendezvous-enabled, you're using Apple's code. They've given back, and they're still doing so.
Wow.
:)
I think that this is quite possibly the first time I've ever seen you post something that I agree with, 100%.
And I never thought I'd see the day!
Of course WebCore is JavaScript-enabled.
Or haven't you heard of JavaScriptCore? It's a part of WebCore.
I really don't think that IBM has anything to worry about as far as cash reserves go.
It's one of the classic blunders! The first of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second of which, and only less well known, is never get involved with a Sicilian when death is on the line. And the third, of course, is never get involved with IBM over an IP dispute!
Even if Microsoft were to come out and openly show that they're the ones behind this, they don't win.
How many companies have ever, in the history of IP, won an IP infringement case against IBM?
Hint: None.
No, I'm not totally disconnected from the internet.
I'm a KDE developer who happens to think that the majority of users - the non-pirating ones who use Kazaa and shut it off when they're not using it - the same ones who would rather buy a new PC than bother upgrading it - would rather pay for the feeling of being "legit" than bother with all of the hassle of spending their time downloading software from some sites that may have the same version, or may not.
Listen, most people value their time more than they value software. Are there people who would try to share the software that they bought? Of course. Would I care if someone redistributed my GPLed software? Not really. There are people who value their time more than they value getting their software without paying for it. And I'd dare say that the vast majority of the market is these users, as opposed to you guys.
Why does Adobe still make a profit, even though you can easily download Photoshop over Kazaa or eDonkey? Because people like paying for legitimate software, and because once they've paid for it, they don't necessarily want to share it with others.
Of course, I could be wrong, but the issue is definitely a lot more complicated than "Well, sure, you can sell GPL software, but only one person will ever buy it."
I sell you a copy for $25 and say it is redistributable. You then give away a million copies to anyone that asks.
I'd just like to point out that you would have to figure out a way to do this "for free". If you want to "give away" a million copies, how are you going to do it?
Bandwidth costs money. CDs cost money. Shipping, if you're going to go with some sort of physical media that does actually need to be shipped, also costs money.
It doesn't make _sense_ to spend money to "give away" something that you paid money for. It only takes a little while to figure this out.
Why do you think that there are so many more leechers than there are sharers on the P2P networks? What makes you think that someone is going to fund the giving-away of the software that they paid good money for?
I'm sorry, but it's your argument that falls apart in my eyes, especially after you give it a bit more thought. Of course there's no _legal_ stopping, and it might happen to be simple and legally allowed to share it with others, but greed if nothing else will stop people from giving away software that they pay money for.
That doesn't even begin to get into the trust issues.
Now, let's take your analogy farther. The Coder sells his GPL software to people for $25 per copy. An Evil User (TM) decides that he's going to give away the software that he paid $25 for, to other people, for free, and foot the costs of the bandwidth and the disk space and electricity bill on the server where he's offering it for free. Why would people trust the Evil User to not add backdoors, or trojans, or any other forms of virus to the software in the transition phase? Especially when you consider that the more people that download the software for free from the Evil User, the higher his costs are for providing it.
I'm kind of interested to see what you think about this.
-clee
Heh. "old" Nextel phones?
The current ones still do it. I know exactly what you're talking about, because it's annoying as all hell.
(For those who don't know: A few of the Motorola phones that Nextel provides have the annoying habit of generating a really evil distortion in speakers. Especially louder speakers. The distortion seems to happen whenever the phone makes contact with the outside world - checking the voicemail service for new messages, receiving an incoming call, etc.)
Oh, right. So I must have imagined that Apple told the truth on their own web site about winning 3 out of the 4 SPEC benchmarks, using the same compiler on both platforms.
::sigh::
Please.
And they do admit that the only area where the P4 beats them is on the low-end single-processor SPECint test.
But for Slashdot, I guess that doesn't matter, since even when Apple tells the truth, all they get is "THEY LOST ONE BENCHMARK IT ISN'T AS FAST AS THEY SAID OMG THEY MUST BE LYING TO US".
Damn. I was hoping that you guys were going to come up with something that sucked less than Nautils, too. ;)
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Although, honestly, even though it has been a long time coming, I really don't think that the file selection dialog is that big of a deal for the desktop. It's annoying in its current state, sure, but I don't think that anyone is going to say "OH! Look! GNOME has a superior file-selection dialog now! WE MUST SWITCH TO GNOME!"
However, you guys are definitely doing good work - please keep it up. I like using software that sucks less, and (if nothing else) I can honestly say that GNOME sucks less now than it used to... so by my book, at least, you guys are cool.
Is Owen working on a new file manager, or file selection dialog?
Replacing Nautilus will be kind of silly for you guys, won't it?
-clee
Except that the post I was replying to was claiming that Microsoft had not, in fact, been found guilty of this, when I proved that they had.
Just because the Bush administration gave them an easy ride doesn't mean that they weren't found guilty.
And in a court of law, the 'guilty' verdict is what matters, not your opinion or mine. Sadly, it appears that having a metric assload of money matters even more, since it was enough to get them out of it.
Uh, actually, he's right.
Why don't you research what you say next time?
It is a fact, as found by a US court, that Microsoft is not only a monopoly, but an abusive one, deserving of severe punishment. The Bush administration got a large sum of cash from Microsoft, and made it go away conveniently.
Where's _your_ research?
Except that you're wrong.
Almost all of the new "wireless phone" systems being sold in the US today are 2.4GHz.
-clee
Ugh. From what I hear, JBoss and Tomcat are evil if you're installing them. Not so bad to use once you get them going, but an absolute nightmare to install. (Never attempted it myself... too busy coding.)
I'd recommend PHP, but then so will a lot of people. JSP is kinda heavy if all you're doing is simple database work; app service integration, IMHO, should be done directly on top of the database (SOAP anyone?) but not from your web site's code.
Not only that, but with PHP, you can do simple database stuff (and even a lot of not-so-simple database stuff) very easily, and you can even use SOAP from a PHP page/application. The PHP/GTK+ guys even have an entire toolkit ready for you if you want to write apps in PHP... not that I would personally, since I have a personal vendetta against GTK+ myself, but it's definitely something to consider if all you want is simple database integration + remote API calls.
Nah, you'd confuse all of the Perl guys.
:)
"$CO? What's the CO variable for? Colorado?"
I think the ($)COX idea was much better.