So are things going to get better anytime soon or should I look to find a job in another field?
I love technology and I am a CS grad, but I cannot compete with $8k a year and I don't want to be forced to.
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Finally, someone who can give me an explanation.
Why do I have a headache after using my cellphone? I know it's not from the things that the whack-os complain about, but I'd really like to know if it's psycological (sp?) or not...
The single mother is still employed at her minimum wage job while the middle-class person is trying to get ANY job whatsoever to pay his mortgage. The rich get richer and the middle class get poor. God bless the GOP!
The bubble that burst was the MOTHER of all bubbles.
We will never see again a transfer of wealth from the upper class back to the middle class. We will never see good hard working people feeling safe in their jobs again.
It's really sad.
You must read BusinessWeek with all their cheerleaders to believe the bullshit you spew.
Decreasing wages is a CLEAR sign of deflation. Prices go down (of course), this causes less corporate profits, which causes layoffs, which causes people to accept lower wages. Lower wages is the HALLMARK of deflation, and we're going to see it soon.
The unemployment numbers are artifically low because so many people who would have been counted are in jail today. There are close to a million people in jail who wouldn't be in jail if their "crimes" were committed in Amsterdam. That million people would quite likely be unemployed anyway, which would increase the unemployment "Rate" by 1% or more.
Unemployment and underemployment are two different things. Wages are DECREASING right now. This is called deflation. Deflation is BAD.
Yes, unemployment went down during the 90s. One BIG factor in this is the fact that we incarcerated all kinds of "criminals" who would be out on the streets in other countries (pot dealers, etc) presumably unemployed.
Stop believing everything your Econ teacher teaches you. He's never had to REALLY look for a job in an industry where there are people who are more than willing to do your job for 1/10 what it takes to survive here.
The only thing that will stop them is a war with Pakistan. Our own companies are selling us out to send moeny over there.
You know, I've never had any prejudice toward anyone for any reason. Now when I hear about India or Indians, I just think "mushroom cloud". Is this what globalization does to people?
I hope you're right and I hope someday I'll share your optimism.
I wish I shared your optimism. Getting laid off every 6 months or so will do that to a guy. Just wait, you'll stop your free market talk once you realize I'm right!
I still don't get why people feared the Japanese in the 80s. They didn't work 18 hour days for $6k/year, even in the 80s.
I read the article again. I still see them saying that top notch guys there still make 40% of what I do here. Their government pays for health care. Ours doesn't! Food, health, and housing are three very important things to me. I can't get all 3 on $8k/year here!
The problem is that I don't have a solution. The real solution is pain, unemployment, re-schooling (while my wife and children live in squalor), and then hoping for a job outside of IT (where I will most certainly make less than before globalization). Doesn't sound like George's vision of the US where everyone is computer literate and can write code, does it?
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I imagined my father's company keeping him on and not laying anyone off in good times and bad for over 30 years and having less than 10% turnover. Maybe that was something I imagined.
"finds out the world is a little bit harder than it looked when you were a kid"
A bit harder? A bit harder? We cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, compete with $8,000/year salary. We will NEVER be able to compete with an $8,000/year salary and I don't want to compete with it.
Bush wants more people in technology fields, right? Maybe he should take a look at why so many of us are struggling, clawing, fighting our way out of IT and into something more stable, no?
The idea with Globalization was that crappy jobs like shirt making would be moved off shore so those folks could get better jobs doing something else.
I guess my programmer job at EDS sucked ass anyway, so when they moved it off shore I got the job of watching TV all day on unemployment while searching for any job (ANY) job possible on the 'net. I got one and accepted a 20% pay cut just for the privalige of working with no benefits.
Thanks, globlaization! I can buy cheap shirts, but if I get sick, I'm in deep shit!
Gosh, CEO positions can be had in India for less than $100,000 a year. Why aren't more CEOs living in India?
It's not about competition. It's about people at the top relentlessly trying to force the people at the bottom further and further down the standard of living scale.
Why are CEO wages still rising while everyone else's are falling right now? Have you stopped to think about this?
Japan was subsidizing all of their industries in the 1980s and still do today, that is why their crap was so cheap. Look at the situation they got themselves into from this practice!!
India labor is cheap because they live in squalor, not because their government is helping them out. Also, with 200 million unemployed people, there is NO chance that wages will ever rise in that country in our lifetime. Japan had FAR fewer people.
Don't compare Japan to India, at least not in this sense.
Don't you see that this is 100% different than the 1980s? In the 80s, employers were loyal to employees. Now, the US companies they mention (specifically EDS) ships everything they can to subcontractors in India.
This WOULD all blow over if our companies weren't taking advantage of the cheap labor over there. As it stands, it will continue to rack us in the nuts until our salaries match the ones in India.
Globalization = cheap shirts, fewer jobs, and a fast-paced race to the bottom.
That's not the issue he's trying to address. He's trying to say that if we tax cheap indian software, they'll just raise taxes on our stuff that THEY import....and that would be ABSOULUTELY NOTHING...
Nobody imports our stuff, so what can they trade war us with?
You're right. It IS a scam. However, the AMERICAN taxpayer is funding the damned thing and all it's used for is bailing out Citigroup, Bear Sterns, etc who make idiot loans to 5th world countries.
The countries shouldn't be mad. They get free cash money. It's the american taxpayer that should be mad as hell, but nobody is. Why, you ask?
Could it be because the media is owned by the big banks?
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So are things going to get better anytime soon or should I look to find a job in another field?
I love technology and I am a CS grad, but I cannot compete with $8k a year and I don't want to be forced to.
Finally, someone who can give me an explanation.
Why do I have a headache after using my cellphone? I know it's not from the things that the whack-os complain about, but I'd really like to know if it's psycological (sp?) or not...
The single mother is still employed at her minimum wage job while the middle-class person is trying to get ANY job whatsoever to pay his mortgage. The rich get richer and the middle class get poor. God bless the GOP!
Are you independantly wealthy by any chance?
"Blast" sounds just like the best technology I want to have smashed up against my head while I'm walking around outside.
Does anyone have any updated statistics on cellular safety? I wonder if this technology will affect that aspect of cellular use?
The bubble that burst was the MOTHER of all bubbles.
We will never see again a transfer of wealth from the upper class back to the middle class.
We will never see good hard working people feeling safe in their jobs again.
It's really sad.
You must read BusinessWeek with all their cheerleaders to believe the bullshit you spew.
Decreasing wages is a CLEAR sign of deflation. Prices go down (of course), this causes less corporate profits, which causes layoffs, which causes people to accept lower wages. Lower wages is the HALLMARK of deflation, and we're going to see it soon.
The unemployment numbers are artifically low because so many people who would have been counted are in jail today. There are close to a million people in jail who wouldn't be in jail if their "crimes" were committed in Amsterdam. That million people would quite likely be unemployed anyway, which would increase the unemployment "Rate" by 1% or more.
I'm with you, cowardboy... I wouldn't want anyone to be hurt, mind you, just all of the buildings vaporized.
That would have taught those a-holes a lesson, eh?
Glad I'm not the only person who feels this way about it.
Unemployment and underemployment are two different things. Wages are DECREASING right now. This is called deflation. Deflation is BAD.
Yes, unemployment went down during the 90s. One BIG factor in this is the fact that we incarcerated all kinds of "criminals" who would be out on the streets in other countries (pot dealers, etc) presumably unemployed.
Stop believing everything your Econ teacher teaches you. He's never had to REALLY look for a job in an industry where there are people who are more than willing to do your job for 1/10 what it takes to survive here.
The only thing that will stop them is a war with Pakistan. Our own companies are selling us out to send moeny over there.
You know, I've never had any prejudice toward anyone for any reason. Now when I hear about India or Indians, I just think "mushroom cloud". Is this what globalization does to people?
I hope you're right and I hope someday I'll share your optimism.
I wish I shared your optimism. Getting laid off every 6 months or so will do that to a guy. Just wait, you'll stop your free market talk once you realize I'm right!
I still don't get why people feared the Japanese in the 80s. They didn't work 18 hour days for $6k/year, even in the 80s.
I read the article again. I still see them saying that top notch guys there still make 40% of what I do here. Their government pays for health care. Ours doesn't! Food, health, and housing are three very important things to me. I can't get all 3 on $8k/year here!
The problem is that I don't have a solution. The real solution is pain, unemployment, re-schooling (while my wife and children live in squalor), and then hoping for a job outside of IT (where I will most certainly make less than before globalization). Doesn't sound like George's vision of the US where everyone is computer literate and can write code, does it?
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I imagined my father's company keeping him on and not laying anyone off in good times and bad for over 30 years and having less than 10% turnover. Maybe that was something I imagined.
"finds out the world is a little bit harder than it looked when you were a kid"
A bit harder? A bit harder? We cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, compete with $8,000/year salary. We will NEVER be able to compete with an $8,000/year salary and I don't want to compete with it.
Bush wants more people in technology fields, right? Maybe he should take a look at why so many of us are struggling, clawing, fighting our way out of IT and into something more stable, no?
The idea with Globalization was that crappy jobs like shirt making would be moved off shore so those folks could get better jobs doing something else.
I guess my programmer job at EDS sucked ass anyway, so when they moved it off shore I got the job of watching TV all day on unemployment while searching for any job (ANY) job possible on the 'net. I got one and accepted a 20% pay cut just for the privalige of working with no benefits.
Thanks, globlaization! I can buy cheap shirts, but if I get sick, I'm in deep shit!
Gosh, CEO positions can be had in India for less than $100,000 a year. Why aren't more CEOs living in India?
It's not about competition. It's about people at the top relentlessly trying to force the people at the bottom further and further down the standard of living scale.
Why are CEO wages still rising while everyone else's are falling right now? Have you stopped to think about this?
Japan was subsidizing all of their industries in the 1980s and still do today, that is why their crap was so cheap. Look at the situation they got themselves into from this practice!! India labor is cheap because they live in squalor, not because their government is helping them out. Also, with 200 million unemployed people, there is NO chance that wages will ever rise in that country in our lifetime. Japan had FAR fewer people. Don't compare Japan to India, at least not in this sense.
Don't you see that this is 100% different than the 1980s? In the 80s, employers were loyal to employees. Now, the US companies they mention (specifically EDS) ships everything they can to subcontractors in India.
This WOULD all blow over if our companies weren't taking advantage of the cheap labor over there. As it stands, it will continue to rack us in the nuts until our salaries match the ones in India.
Globalization = cheap shirts, fewer jobs, and a fast-paced race to the bottom.
Canadians benefit from Globalization by working one-American jobs. Quit your bitching, Canuck!
Programmers really aren't affected by trade itself, except the procurement of cheaper equipment.
Globalization rapes programmers, no doubt, but trade and globalization are not the same.
That's not the issue he's trying to address. He's trying to say that if we tax cheap indian software, they'll just raise taxes on our stuff that THEY import. ...and that would be ABSOULUTELY NOTHING...
Nobody imports our stuff, so what can they trade war us with?
You're right. It IS a scam. However, the AMERICAN taxpayer is funding the damned thing and all it's used for is bailing out Citigroup, Bear Sterns, etc who make idiot loans to 5th world countries.
The countries shouldn't be mad. They get free cash money. It's the american taxpayer that should be mad as hell, but nobody is. Why, you ask?
Could it be because the media is owned by the big banks?
Export tech jobs, import people to do tech jobs.
If we look at the economics of the situation, there is no reason for anyone to become a programmer anymore.
There is only an incentive to become a pencil pushing manager or a lawyer.
I'm not trying to troll or to get flamed here. If you think about it, this is a huge reason why we have all these problems!
Does everyone remember the movie "Weird Science"?
If I were to create a new life form, I'd do what those guys did!!!
Will it remember where I put my @#$!$ car keys?
I was the dorky guy in your school who had the calculator wristwatch.
Should I try that again with this thing? After the beatings and the finger pointing? I think not!
...when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Because I'm sick of replacing my cheap-o Abit board every 6 months (and constantly be near-layoffs due to globalization), I'm a xenophobe?
I've got an Intel-made motherboard from the mid-late 90s that works perfectly like it did from day 1. Can't buy them like that anymore