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Real PDA Wristwatch

Larry Groebe writes "Just before COMDEX, Fossil announced a new PDA in a wristwatch. Based on the Palm OS, this is nothing less than a complete Palm Pilot on your wrist. See here for features and a picture. This is completely UNLIKE Fossil's *first* attempt at a wrist PDA, which was a hopeless view-only gadget. This new model allows regular Graffiti input and appears to run all Palm programs! At $149, I may be the first in line when it comes out next spring."

309 comments

  1. Time Travel Possible??? by Dugsmyname · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the Google headline was a little deceiving...

    "Fossil unveils wrist-worn Palm OS PDA"

    It made me think of Back to the Future and all of the time travel Star Trek episodes!

    1. Re:Time Travel Possible??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U betcha. That was way too intriguing and hilarious at the same time.

    2. Re:Time Travel Possible??? by scubacuda · · Score: 4, Funny
      When I saw that headline, I expected to see Bob Dole doing some promo with them...

    3. Re:Time Travel Possible??? by fenix+down · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does everybody pick on Bob when you have Strom Thurmond? Dole at least still looks human. I mean, Strom looked older than Dole when Eisenhower was president.

      Oh, and YEARRRGHH!

      I'll be sad when the guy finally dies and it's politically incorrect to comment on how how much better he looks enbalmed.

    4. Re:Time Travel Possible??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does This remind anyone of the Dick Tracy watch. (If only it had video confrencing)

  2. i'm avoiding it by greechneb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds tempting... but I prefer to not have a palm device. Not having one gives me an excuse for forgetting appointments and such

    1. Re:i'm avoiding it by stienman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well DUH. Read the headline, this is a wrist device.

      Sheesh. Talk about not reading the article, now they're not reading the headline before posting!

      -Adam

    2. Re:i'm avoiding it by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      Well DUH. Read the headline

      Ummm, actually I think he figured out that it was a wrist device. He was just giving a blanket reason for not wanting ANY pda regardless of form factor -- he doesn't want to be held responsible for missing appointments. You see that bulge in his cheek? That's his tongue.

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    3. Re:i'm avoiding it by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 2
      I'd avoid the first generation anyway... sounds like trouble. Here's a quote from the FAQ:
      Can I beam addresses that haven't been set up as business cards?

      It is best not to do so. If multiple addresses are beamed at once, they can corrupt the watch's programming. When beaming, select the handheld's Beam Business Card function (instead of Beam Address).

      Corrupt the watch's programming? By beaming addresses? That ain't right.
    4. Re:i'm avoiding it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see this bulge in my pants....it's my phone.

    5. Re:i'm avoiding it by OzeBuddha · · Score: 1

      This one sounds good, but the thing I'm waiting for is an all-in-one pda, phone, camera, wristwatch. Should be here any day now ;)

  3. Linux watch by tsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cool. This brings to mind the Linux watch IBM made some time ago. Does anyone know what's become of that? Is it still in development or was it just a showpiece?

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    1. Re:Linux watch by GoRK · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was a research project.

      The interesting thing about this watch, though, is that the dragonball ports of ucLinux run on palm already, so this watch with it's (likely dragonball ez) cpu will run linux out of the box.

    2. Re:Linux watch by Nos. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was at our LUG's first annual Expo a week or so ago (www.losurs.org/expo) and Jim Elliot from IBM was there. He said they are still working on it, but trying to bring the price down. They had hoped to release it for this holiday season, but it won't happen. I think they're now targetting this time next year.

    3. Re:Linux watch by Doppler00 · · Score: 2

      It was probably just a project to keep bored engineers at IBM busy. :) I mean, how many people are actually interested in a linux wristwatch?

    4. Re:Linux watch by spotter · · Score: 5, Informative

      I worked on it 2 summers ago at IBM Research (get paid well to work on cool things, who can ask more).

      It was never meant to be an IBM product (at least from my understanding). It was meant to be a sort of cool "testbed" for all these mini technologies. Such as OLEDs (at the time we had the highest density OLED displays in production on our prototypes), mini linux on the software side and similiarly on the hardware side.

      We were also trying to figure out what cool things we could do with it, such as we had a bluetooth module for it, so we initally had a demo of that that one could switch ones slides via the watch's thumbwheel, (so one's giving a talk, and walking around and just tap the watch to switch slides back and forth). But we were experimenting with different things as well, such as imagine sticking a GPS receiver in your backpack while you are hiking and just use the watch as a display for the GPS, it stores the data in the backpack. Since the OLED display was 640x480 (1bpp) it was fairly detailed.

      doing this also involved getting things like PPP working on the watch (which since I had gcc working on our testbed's that had ethernet (nfs mount w/ nfs swap), meant we could get gcc working on the watch, though wouldn't have been so much fun as testbench was 70-80mhz, while watch ran at something like 17mhz (these numbers might be off)

      We were also doing work on getting the system even smaller than it was (glibc's a hog, a simple fix was getting uClibc working on it, I was then able to take this know how to make a bootable linux floppy that boots directly into a windows terminal services server full screen (basically kernel, X, dhcp, rdesktop all on a single bootable floppy) for a school project).

      That summer there was interest from citizen (They actually made some PR announcmenets) in making a product out of it, but dont know whats happened since in regards to that.

      people in charge of IBM Research wanted to put funding behind the watch to give out samples to U's involved in pervasive devices (I believe CMU and Georgia Tech are big into it) to basically have them see what they can do with these pieces of tech, but dont know what's happened on that either.

    5. Re:Linux watch by spotter · · Score: 2

      you are sort of right. :)

      IBM wanted to figure out how to put linux in small places. However, what would you rather work on. "Linux on your coffee maker" or "linux on a watch", linux on a watch, has much higher "Cool" factor.

    6. Re:Linux watch by axxackall · · Score: 3, Funny
      Cool. This brings to mind the Linux watch IBM made some time ago. Does anyone know what's become of that? Is it still in development or was it just a showpiece?

      The project scope has been temporary moved to Beowulf cluster of such watches - required for military special force teams.

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    7. Re:Linux watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, think of all the Java jokes you could make if the put it in a coffee machine.

    8. Re:Linux watch by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      though wouldn't have been so much fun as testbench was 70-80mhz, while watch ran at something like 17mhz (these numbers might be off)


      If it runs at 17 millihertz, it's not practical for use as a watch. Maybe as a calendar, but probably not one with day or week resolution.

    9. Re:Linux watch by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 1

      *cough*bullshit*cough*

    10. Re:Linux watch by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      The Dragonball CPU is basically a 68000 with add-ons right?

      /me Looks at Atari ST (8MHz, 1M ram) in the corner on floor waiting for a good excuse to toss it.

      Dried frog pills. LOTS of dried frog pills. Narrr...

      My only .. complaint .. is that I'd probably have to wear it on my right wrist, oh dear. On the other hand (literally! :^), my Casio "Databank" watch has served me well for many years (100 phone#s and alarms!), and has a nice retro look these days. And it handles the bistromathic calculations at the end of the meal.

      This thing is cute and powerful, but why do I need it? (I know, I'm not supposed to ask that question.) Other than playing nethack on the bus. I think I'll wait until an 8M version is out.

      As for running Linux "out of the box", doubt it. The 2M ram is pretty light even for the RAM, and it's doubling as the hard drive. It's going to take a pretty tight install to pack it in with programs and data.

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    11. Re:Linux watch by spotter · · Score: 1



      think what you want.

    12. Re:Linux watch by Idou · · Score: 1

      "I was then able to take this know how to make a bootable linux floppy that boots directly into a windows terminal services server full screen (basically kernel, X, dhcp, rdesktop all on a single bootable floppy) for a school project)."

      Do you have the image of this floppy laying around somewhere? I have been looking for something like that for a long time. Could you release that for the good of humanity?

      Sure . . . I believe you. Really. Of course, if you
      really wanted to convince me then you would release the image so we could check it out;)

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    13. Re:Linux watch by Not+One+Of+Us · · Score: 1

      This has to be the most offtopic post ever. You go from PDA wristwatches to Dragonball Z. What the hell's wrong with you?

    14. Re:Linux watch by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2

      Uh, the CPUs used in the PalmOS line of PDAs (to date) is a "Motorolla Dragonball" processor. That's the name of the chip...

      Nothing to do with an awful anime series...

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    15. Re:Linux watch by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      This sounds cool, but if you were working at a research lab, weren't you under NDA? How can you release information about this w/o IBM getting on your ass about it?

    16. Re:Linux watch by spotter · · Score: 2

      here's what I was able to scrounge up (kernel only has 3c905 driver installed)

      http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~spotter/floppy.bin

      that startup scripts aren't all there, but you should be able to get a shell via busybox, run udhcpc ("micro" dhcp client), and then run startx which would connect you to our windows terminal server, edit the startx file (think it's in /bin) to change that.

      Oh, and these shared libraries might be really "Stripped" i.e. the point oft the project was to see how small we could make the C library, by pulling out everything we dont need. (making a bootable terminal services floppy was just sort of the "cool" factor)

    17. Re:Linux watch by Not+One+Of+Us · · Score: 1
      It was a joke.

      Sorry, it was bad.

    18. Re:Linux watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't it suck when these losers don't get such obvious humour? Just trying to lighten the place up.

    19. Re:Linux watch by Idou · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

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    20. Re:Linux watch by spotter · · Score: 2

      As I said, it was 2 summers ago. (that was a summer internship, currently working on getting my masters/phd at columbia)

      AFAI Remember What I Signed, the NDA didn't last for that long. (6 months was the limit it I think). Also, everything confidential that I said (basically limited to the citizen information) has already been posted in the news (As well as /.)

      and if I did release any info I shouldn't have, all I can say is sorry, I made a mistake in trying to show the world IBM's "coolness".

  4. Too small... by gazuga · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't even use a PDA, but looking at that picture, it strikes me that maybe this thing is *too* small. How can you input anything? You'd better be good with a stylus...

    --Gaz

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    1. Re:Too small... by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is a "look what I got" executive toy, like all other palmtops.

      I've never seen one put to task on anything I'd call remotely 'useful'.

      Most of us can remember 'meeting at 4' without a little beeping mini-computer in our pocket.

      Portable games seem to be the killer app for these things, and I'll stick to my Gameboy/GBA/Neogeo Pocket/TGXpress/Sega Nomad/Sega GameGear and Atari Lynx - all of which combined cost me less than an entry level palm.

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    2. Re:Too small... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'll stick to my Gameboy/GBA/Neogeo Pocket/TGXpress/Sega Nomad/Sega GameGear and Atari Lynx - all of which combined cost me less than an entry level palm.

      You got all of that for less than $100?
      Even if they were all used from ebay or garage sales, I don't think you can find a GBA for less than $60... that leaves $40 for the remaining 6 systems. I call bullshit.

    3. Re:Too small... by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Troll

      The GBA was free, but besides the point.

      When I said an entry level Palm/Pocket, I wasn't talking about some cheesy calendar, but something that could replace my handheld gaming goodness.. Like a

      Zaurus ($350 to $500ish)
      or a
      Maestro Handheld Pocket PC (329.99$) at CompUSA.

      Though of course, these days the TGXpress will run you 200-300 bucks... I virtually stole that thing from a pawn shop who had it priced as a gameboy. The Nomad is even more rare, though oddly less expensive. You should have called bullshit on that. GBA's are hella-cheap in comparison.

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    4. Re:Too small... by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      The GBA was free, but besides the point.

      Funny that, my Palm was free.

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    5. Re:Too small... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 2

      Where do you work? Lots of folks in my office use PDAs. Ever go to the PDA websites and portals such as PDABuzz.com? Tell them that their just useless executive toys. Remembering one appointment is one thing. Having your entire week scheduled along with daily, weekly, and monthly events pre-programmed for the next 6 months, along with 100's of phone numbers and contacts, a detailed to-do list and memo pad is another. And it doesn't have to beep, you can set it to vibrate.

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    6. Re:Too small... by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Most of us can remember 'meeting at 4' without a little beeping mini-computer in our pocket.

      If all you've got is one meeting per day, I want your job. Most of the time I have to juggle six or seven meetings per day on completely different topics, and I still have to manage to get 8 hours of programming in per day. While I don't take my iPaq with me (because I don't trust it), I frequently carry my laptop because I need to refer to information on it during the meeting. A Palm or any other PDA serves the same purpose. My manager probably has twice the meeting load that I do, and I honestly don't think he could live without his. The only executives in our company who don't use one have permanent staff members assigned to assist them.

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    7. Re:Too small... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      The ability to wave it in front of a computer that has your Enterprise CRM schedule for auto-updating would be nice. (Remember the Timex watch that did funky reading of bars on the monitor? How quaint!) Speaking of bars, I'm sure it would make a dandy universal remote control complete with a TV schedule. Flip the bar TV from WWF to the Space channel (CDN).

      A few generations later, this could be interesting with the wireless displays in the pipe. Needs more ram, needs better I/O, probably needs more battery life.

      Irony Alert: Gordon Moore just got an ant species named after him, Pheidole mooreorum. How long before Moore's Law enables a watch to be smarter than that ant? Ever? (Not a karma 'Ho. Capped long ago.)

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    8. Re:Too small... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait a minute. Your idea of an entry level Palm isn't even a Palm (which *do* go down to $100)?

      Hell, you'd have to get an m515 to get up to even $350 (acc. to Palm's online store).

    9. Re:Too small... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      You have *upwards of six meetings a day* and also program full time?

      Where the *hell* do you work, and why do you have that many?

      I'd go mad.

    10. Re:Too small... by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2
      The ability to wave it in front of a computer that has your Enterprise CRM schedule for auto-updating would be nice.

      One way to accomplish this is to replicate CRM schedules into Outlook tasks / appointments, and then synchronize through infrared with the handheld. I know we did some experimental stuff in synchronizing our CRM system with Outlook contacts and then on to the handheld, but we never got around to scheduling.

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    11. Re:Too small... by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      Where the *hell* do you work, and why do you have that many?

      I can't answer the first question, as these days everybody is looking for an excuse to layoff. But the answer to the second question is that there have been layoffs. Right now, I don't see anything that pays enough for me to change jobs. I'm just hoping things will get better as the economic environment changes.

      I suppose I could have avoided this situation by performing poorly for the last couple years, but that's just not my motto. Needless to say, I don't get much sleep lately.

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    12. Re:Too small... by pwarf · · Score: 1

      The input area looks like it is about the same size as one side of the Graffiti input area on my Handspring, which is plenty (assuming you take the time to get used to Graffiti).

      The area I would most like to see improved is the screen size. And I have an idea for it: electronic ink (http://www.eink.com/) on a reel, like a very small measuring tape. (Or electronic paper: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1292852.stm). I don't think the displays are flexible enough yet, but being able to view a full line of text at once off your watch would be neat.

    13. Re:Too small... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2

      Wristheld, no? :^) Been there, done that at Janna Systems before they were Seibelized. Outlook inhales deeply, but at least it has a nice automation interface. If you sync'ed contacts, scheduling would have been no biggy. (Give me 30 minutes alone with it and Delphi. It'll talk.)

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    14. Re:Too small... by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2

      Our CIO doesn't like us to bring PDAs into any meeting where he is present. He believes we'd all be playing games instead of taking notes with it. So I'm stuck with pen and paper notes and transcription to PDA.

    15. Re:Too small... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 2

      Thats absolutely asinine. Does he consider you to be children or what? Or have your coworkers proven themselves to be children? Does he himself use a PDA? Try getting him hooked on one.

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  5. Now... by ejdmoo · · Score: 1

    Now they just need to fix the largest problem of all: it's running palm. :P Actually, I'm sure palm OS is great for something like this, I'd just rather see Pocket PC OS. Better yet, Opie (OSS palmtop enviroment, FYI).

    1. Re:Now... by Sir+Homer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pocket PC? All I need is another thing to be able to BSOD on me... Chick: What time is it? Me: It's *bsod* 4B:1A5EDB1

    2. Re:Now... by Doppler00 · · Score: 2

      No, Pocket PC OS has way too much overhead for such a small device. Do you really need a TCP/IP API and multitasking in a watch??? Probably not. Besides, the technology isn't their yet and it would probably require too much power to run.

    3. Re:Now... by Sloppy · · Score: 2
      Running an efficient OS is what lets it use a low power CPU, which what lets it run on a tiny battery for 4 days instead of 40 minutes.

      This is why Palm PDAs are still better for most people, than the Wince and Linux ones: changing the batteries every two months in a $100 m105 is way more convenient than having to charge it every single night.

      4 days is still too short, though. I'll pass.

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    4. Re:Now... by M3wThr33 · · Score: 1

      But are you ever going to spend 4 days away from your home?
      The only question I have is for button usage, I'd wish they'd just add the 6 common to the front, 8mb and maybe a backlight(unless it already has one).
      There's a BUNCH of graffiti programs made for the Treo devices(First palms missing the area, sans the laptop-thingie), like NewPen, so it shouldn't be a problem.

  6. Too small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    isn't this a bit too small to be usable.

    1. Re:Too small by zapfie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ssh, don't be logical! You are ignoring the infamous Inverse Law of Computer Size.. that is, the smaller a computer is, the more you are supposed to mindlessly want one.

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  7. Almost there... by BrianWCarver · · Score: 2


    Get me one of these that is Zaurus-like (based on linux) and is also a cell-phone and also has voice-recognition software that works (who wants to tap a stylus on a tiny little watch face??) and THEN I'll really be excited...

    BWCarver

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    1. Re:Almost there... by kingkade · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get me one of these that is Zaurus-like (based on linux) and is also a cell-phone and also has voice-recognition software that works [...] THEN I'll really be excited...

      Yeah, can't wait to sit next to you on the train home after a long day...

    2. Re:Almost there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and don't forget the Go Go Gadget Camera and Microphone so that you can keep in contact with Headquarters!

  8. /.'d by cjustus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if Fossil's website is powered by one of their watches?

    1. Re:/.'d by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

      Look around on the floor next to your computer, I think you dropped a packet somewhere. Not /.'d yet. I can still get there.

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    2. Re:/.'d by sulli · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a large pic.

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  9. I was "THAT guy" by anonymousman77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was the dorky guy in your school who had the calculator wristwatch.

    Should I try that again with this thing? After the beatings and the finger pointing? I think not!

    1. Re:I was "THAT guy" by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey man, this is Slashdot. We were all THAT guy :)

      One of my good friends even added some small solar panels to his watch, so it would charge the batteries in the sunlight...

      Of course, the batteries burst and burned a hole in his shirt. But still, very geeky...

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    2. Re:I was "THAT guy" by scubacuda · · Score: 2
      Hopefully it didn't burn his pocket protector...

    3. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      I still have one of those watches! Hmm... maybe it's time a buy a new one. The calculator watch I have is from Casio, I've only had to change the batteries maybe 3 times in the last 10 years. I think it actually locked up at one time when it's batteries were low.

    4. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      I was very excited when I got my calculator watch with a touchscreen back in the early 80s. I could be a geek with my calculator watch, but also could stay under the radar since it looked like a normal digital watch. :)

      I tried to find a picture, but was unsuccessful... anyone else have one of these and remember the manufacturer, etc?

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    5. Re:I was "THAT guy" by matt4077 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think solar panels close to the body of a _real_ geek would work

    6. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Bobartig · · Score: 2

      Ha! I had four of those watches... More accurately, by fifth grade, I'd lost 4 of those. Couldn't keep my hands on them, but couldn't live without them. I'd fill the thing with my friends' phone numbers, along with test/quiz dates, then a couple months later I'd lose it.

      Shortly after, I swore off all wrist watches, and went to all sorts of extremes to avoid carrying one. (my PalmV kept remarkably good time for weeks on end). I'd love to get one of these, and simultaneously 1) relive a part of my childhood, and 2) have a use for my palm software again.

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    7. Re:I was "THAT guy" by happystink · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he was truly hardcore, he never would have been able to test it, you need to go outside to see sunlight.

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    8. Re:I was "THAT guy" by tigertigr · · Score: 1

      Hey, I had a calculator watch as well, but it broke one day for some reason.

      Later I won a crazy water-powered watch. The only problem was that I had to regularly let the thing soak up water under a nearby water fountain else it would fade and die and I'd have to set the time again. I remember having to sneak inside during recess just to resuscitate it.

    9. Re:I was "THAT guy" by theguru · · Score: 1

      You know, some physical activiy durring recess might have helped keep it running. Striking out at kickball rarely made us geeks break a swaet though.

    10. Re:I was "THAT guy" by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know that we were all that guy.

      There might be some people from Sun Microsystems here.

      Scot McNeely at Sun is/was a hockey player, and he keeps that sort of guys around him.

      He was the guy who slammed you up against the lockers.

    11. Re:I was "THAT guy" by kisrael · · Score: 2

      You were hardercore than I was at that time (and age I think)....we mostly just had those watches that transformed (ala the transformers, but not so branded)...one was a little man, one was a scorpion, don't remember if there were any others.

      Dang, can't wrangle up a google search to find any pix.

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    12. Re:I was "THAT guy" by dcobbler · · Score: 1

      Nope. I wasn't that guy. My dad was the physics teacher in my high-school. I kep my head down, man. Way down. When I got to 1st-year sciences at U. I discovered all the profs were like my dad. No wonder I flunked ;-)

      dcobbler

    13. Re:I was "THAT guy" by crapulent · · Score: 3, Informative

      For your viewing please, the Nerd Watch Museum. On that same site you may also want to check out the Walkman Museum, the Boombox Mueeum, and the miscellaneous gadgets of the 70s and 80s.

    14. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah... there it is, the Casio TC-500, baby. Great for geeks who don't want to look like nerds. :)

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    15. Re:I was "THAT guy" by psych031337 · · Score: 2
      Hey man, this is Slashdot. We were all THAT guy :)

      Before: People in the bus looked at you and saw a geek fumbling with a hand-held thingy that you can write on, figuring that you were a guy who knew how to program VCRs.

      After: People in the bus look at you and see you staring at and fumbling with your watch for _ages_, figuring out you're too stupid to grasp the concept of reading the time.
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    16. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      I don't know that we were all that guy.


      I feel less geek. I've had some werid abhorration towards wrist watches for as long as I can remember... even the calculator variety. However it didn't stop me from grabbing my friends arm and playing with their calculator watch.

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    17. Re: I was "THAT guy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hey man, this is Slashdot. We were all THAT guy :)

      No, I never got a calculator watch and never want to get one. Only wimps need calculators.

    18. Re:I was "THAT guy" by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2
      I still have one of those watches! Hmm... maybe it's time a buy a new one. The calculator watch I have is from Casio, I've only had to change the batteries maybe 3 times in the last 10 years. I think it actually locked up at one time when it's batteries were low.
      I still own and wear a Casio Data Bank daily. Some tips for extending the durability and life of the watch are given below (I've had mine for 8 years, with only one battery change so far):
      • Replace the plastic watch band with a metal link wrist band. You will need a 22mm band, which is rare these days. For me, a roommate's brother had an old box full of wristbands, and I luckily found a 22mm black metal band. The plastic bands are crap and only last about two years before exceeding their limits of elasticity. With metal links you can bend them all around, and swap in more links if others go bad.
      • Disable all beeping by switching to the calculator function and holding down the "Start/Stop" button for 2 seconds. This will make your battery last much longer than average. Also keep the use of light, alarm, and hourly chime functions to a minimum. I was able to get 5 years use on a single CR2016 watch battery.
      • Replace the standard Panasonic CR2016 battery with a CR2025. Yes, it's a thicker battery but it can be done. The watch casing will be a very tight fit when you try to close it, but it will work with a little force. The CR2016 has a nominal capacity of 90 mAh, while the CR2025 boasts a nominal capacity of 165 mAh. They are both 3V and 16mm in diameter, so the only difference is the capacity of the battery and the thickness (1.6mm thickness for the CR2016, vs. 2.5mm thickness for the CR2025). I expect roughly 8-9 years out of the CR2025.
      • Don't go swimming with your Data Bank. That's how I killed the first one when I was a kid. Ironically, the beeper it had wasn't working for years before that, and after submerging the watch the beeper worked again for a short while until the whole watch died.
      As for the watch locking up, I have noticed this behavior when the orientation of the watch battery is not *perfect* during installation. Also, as the battery approaches the end of its life, the voltage drops off fairly rapidly (ah, the joy of lithium batteries), which could be the cause.
    19. Re:I was "THAT guy" by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2

      He was the guy who slammed you up against the lockers. Right up until he tried to shove Billy Gates into a locker, evidently. Billy paid his friends to give Scot a major swirly on Wall Street.

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  10. ill wait by Spicy+Bisquit · · Score: 1

    until it comes with the new Nvidia GeForceFX

  11. Redundant by gadgetboy1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While it looks cool and all, it may have hit the market be too late. Cell phones and PDA look to be heading for convergence and almost everyone I know carries a cell phone. Does my watch with its much smaller screen really need to be a (Palm) PDA too? Isn't that why its called a "Palm" and "PocketPC" device?

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    1. Re:Redundant by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 2

      Oooh....

      Just think. You'll be able to IR synch your Kyocera 7135 SmartPhone and your Fossil/Palm watch!

      Instant backup, baby! Yeah, yeah, yeah!

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    2. Re:Redundant by Soko · · Score: 2

      Unless of course they find a way to integrate the cell phone in there too, perhaps with a Bluetooth earpiece/microphone (Been done, IIRC) and transmitter (Perhaps a small belt clip device with more powerfull batteries?). No more carrying around that little brick - I'd seriously consider it then.

      Soko

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    3. Re:Redundant by Digitalia · · Score: 1

      I don't carry a cell phone regularly. I own one, but I don't like having yet another thing like that on my belt. However I'd like to integrate my watch and a palm, because I already carry my watch and it is unobtrusive. However, I don't like wrist-watches. If someone would release a PDA that looked like a pocket-watch, I'd buy it in a second.

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    4. Re:Redundant by danimrich · · Score: 1

      The problem is that cellphones need a lot of battery power. A couple of years ago, there were watches with integrated pagers around. As far as I recall, when you bought one of these, you also got a keychain for carrying around spare batteries for the watch. Also, these watches were really large. I'm not sure whether today's cellphone watches have rechargeable batteries. Surely an organizer needs less power because it does not need to send and receive data all the time.

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    5. Re:Redundant by notb4dinner · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good but does everyone have to use th same solution? While a PDA/phone may suit you well, someone who is constantly accessing their data may be better served by a lighter phone and this style of thing. Part of the problem I see with people reactions to new tech is that simply because it may not be well suited to their needs they assume it wn't fill anyones needs. Basically we don't all have to use the same solutions...

    6. Re:Redundant by Jahf · · Score: 2

      Not to mention I still would have issues having a constant RF source strapped to my body. I've never seen a case of wrist cancer and I would really rather not be the first.

      I love the idea of the convenience, but it isn't always worth the added risk. I know that cellphones have gotten better, but you're still talking about having a constantly transmitting high frequency radio source on your body for a significant amount of time each day.

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    7. Re:Redundant by blowhole · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and if your wristwatch backup gets damaged, you probably have bigger problems than data loss. :)

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    8. Re:Redundant by Woggle · · Score: 1

      Mmm, a good idea, and as pocket watches are often a tad larger than a wrist watch(and my best pocket watch was a square stainless steel model from a skateboard shop), it'd give a more reasonable input/viewing area. Basically, it'd just be a really small Palm Pilot.

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  12. Fossil Wrist PDA's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

  13. More news at infoSync by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 5, Informative

    They've got more news on the new watch, as well as some nice pictures.

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  14. and it weighs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    1 pound has a 3 inch large screen...

    everyone will point and laugh at the hopeless geek when one of his arms is 3 inches longer than the other...

    1. Re:and it weighs by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      Well, the geek could always wear it on their weaker hand, getting the excersize to make it match the muscular one ;)

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  15. still fails.. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and like all the other pda/pc watches it's missing one crucial feature...

    WATERPROOF!

    Why cant they throw in that small and desperately needed thing? It must be waterproof... so I can wear it swimming,snorkling,in the shower... how about just in the shower/tub without fear of it getting killed?

    why cant they do that?

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    1. Re:still fails.. by unicron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people don't recognize the difference between "water-resistant" and "water-proof" when they buy a watch. Water-resistant means that it can survive the shower. If your watch is truly water-proof, then odds are it's a dive watch, and you're going to be spending some bucks.

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    2. Re:still fails.. by shadow303 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do you wear a watch in the shower? Unless you are timing your spank time, I fail to see why you should be wearing it.

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    3. Re:still fails.. by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Then can you explain why my watch says "water-resistant to 50M"? I've never seen a shower that's 50M deep. (50M =~ 150')

    4. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't feel like taking it off.

      Not that I wear a watch...

    5. Re:still fails.. by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I believe no modern watch claims to be "waterproof", it's always "water resistant to xx meters". This is certainly more accurate, since nothing is truly "waterproof" given enough pressure.

      I am curious, though: Does anyone have a watch purchased in the last 15-20 years that claims to be "waterproof"?

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    6. Re:still fails.. by unicron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because it looks nice written on the packaging.

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    7. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same reson I have a sealed piece of plexiglass and a LCD monitor below the showerhead with 4 waterproof buttons. all connected to a computer. Information baby!

    8. Re:still fails.. by Havokmon · · Score: 2
      how about just in the shower/tub without fear of it getting killed?

      Tub/Shower? For what? Smaller than life porn?

      I suppose if you're one-handed you would have a hard time taking it off.. but then wouldn't you have a hard time watching it too?

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    9. Re:still fails.. by Reage · · Score: 1

      Because it's the most convenient way to wash it after I get in from a run.

    10. Re:still fails.. by Mike1024 · · Score: 1

      Hey,

      Why cant they throw in that small and desperately needed thing? It must be waterproof... so I can wear it swimming,snorkling,in the shower...

      Uh... why would you want a PDA in the shower?

      Having it rainproof I could understand, but who takes thier PDA with them into the shower?

      Michael

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    11. Re:still fails.. by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

      and like all the other pda/pc watches it's missing one crucial feature...

      WATERPROOF!


      Nah, this isn't even close to crucial for the only guy I personally know who wants one. He wants it to replace a scientific calculator watch that isn't made anymore and which is decidedly non-water-resistant.

      Ergo, not every geek showers with their Geek Watch on (I admit I've forgotten to take mine off until after turning the water on, once or twice after too little sleep, so I'm glad mine is water resistant, but even so I would surely never try to submerse it).

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    12. Re:still fails.. by delfstrom · · Score: 2

      Water resistant for accidental dunks in the dishwater, sure.

      But waterproof? SNORKLING? What are you doing looking up your addresses while snorkling? It's not like you're going to be making a phone call from down there.

      You don't require your cell phone or PDA to be waterproof, so neither should the wristwatch.

    13. Re:still fails.. by pgpckt · · Score: 2


      I never take off my watch. Even to sleep. Yep, I am wierd that way.

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    14. Re:still fails.. by Tokerat · · Score: 2

      ...because your water-resistant watch was designed to take pressures of up to 150 feet underwater?

      I've never seen a shower that's 50M deep.

      Exactly, so then you shouldn't have a problem, should you?

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    15. Re:still fails.. by Victors+Monster · · Score: 1

      true that - I got a tetris watch out of a box of cereal when I was a kid, it was the coolest toy I ever had!

      But it was so vulnerable to water that it broke on the back of my toilet while I was taking a steamy shower - from the moisture of the shower!

    16. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a waterproof cellphone (Nokia 8510)... It weighs half the amount this watch does, and has a diary & alarm. The batteries last way more than 4 days, provided I don't phone anyone.

      Kinda underwhelmed.

    17. Re:still fails.. by belroth · · Score: 2
      Don't forget that it's only water resistant until you have the battery replaced. Manufacturers might guarantee their watches when new but as soon as the seal is broken ....

      When I thought I needed a new watch I was thinking of one with a solar cell as a dial (Citizen iirc), but the old one's ok now I know how to set it. It was water resistant to 100m (10 bar) but not any more - it may be better with a new 'O' ring but there's no way I'm going swimming in it.

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    18. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palmasutra...duh. ;)

    19. Re:still fails.. by targo · · Score: 2

      You don't require your cell phone or PDA to be waterproof, so neither should the wristwatch

      But of course I need my PDA/cell be waterproof! My first Palm was killed by someone accidentally pouring orange juice on it, cost me quite a lot of money. Sometimes I think the gadget manufacturers make them as fragile as possible on purpose, so that people could break them more often and they could sell more units.

    20. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why the rolex ones are self winding - they have a flywheel that winds the spring as you move your arm. There is no need to open it on a regular basis.

    21. Re:still fails.. by fritz_269 · · Score: 1
      From this excellent FAQ:
      2. Why aren't watches ever labeled or described in advertising as "waterproof" even if they can be worn deep-sea diving?
      According to guidelines issued by the Federal Trade Commission, watch marketers are not allowed to label their watches "water-proof." Even watches designed for deep-sea diving cannot claim to be water-proof.
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    22. Re:still fails.. by dublin · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that it's only water resistant until you have the battery replaced. Manufacturers might guarantee their watches when new but as soon as the seal is broken ....

      Of course, Rolexes (and other brands of "superlative chronometers", to use their marketing catch-phrase) are entirely mechanical devices, and require no batteries of any kind, ever. I know, it's hard to imagine, but it's true - technology that doesn't asphyxiate in the absence of electron flow. You know, this sort of thing just might catch on...

      Seriously, it's sad that everyone the world seems too easily staisfied with cheesy quartz watches (accurate though they may be) when there are still so many Swiss mechanical works of art out there, that are a true mech hacker's dream...

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    23. Re:still fails.. by dublin · · Score: 2

      He wants it to replace a scientific calculator watch that isn't made anymore and which is decidedly non-water-resistant.

      You know, I hadn't realized it, but this could be the first watch in history that provides a calculator I'd find useful - one that uses RPN. (*All* us techno types only use RPN calculators, right? It's right up there with vi for validating real technical prowess, rather than just being a pretender and emacs weenie [ducks])

      Seriously, though, so far as I know, there's never been an RPN calculator watch - even HP's famous HP-01 was algebraic as have been the myriad Casio and Sharp(?) calc watches. The utterly cool thing about this watch is that it is a *real* Palm, with a full 160x160 screen, so it's capable of runnning any real Palm program, including RPN or even MathPad (one of my personal favorites.)

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    24. Re:still fails.. by Galvatron · · Score: 2
      My watch is water-resistant to 100 (feet? meters? can't remember). Anyway, the instructions that came with the watch basically said, their company makes 4 levels of water resistance: no resistance, resistant to 10 feet, resistant to 100 feet, and resistant to 1000 feet.

      When explaining what each of these meant, the basic impression was "it's waterproof only to the previous level." So for example, no resistance means take it off when you wash your hands, 10 feet means you can wash your hands, but don't submerge it completely in water. 100 feet means you can submerge it, but don't take it down to any depth. 1000 feet means you can scuba dive with it.

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    25. Re:still fails.. by njdj · · Score: 2

      Most people don't recognize the difference between "water-resistant" and "water-proof" when they buy a watch.

      That's true, but the worthless piece of crap being discussed isn't even "water resistant". Getting caught outdoors in a sudden rain shower can kill it!

      Conclusion: it's not a watch/PDA, it's a throwaway geek toy. $149 for a watch/PDA would be terrific, $149 for a throwaway toy is way over the top.

    26. Re:still fails.. by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Not having to change battery is certainly not a privilege of mechanical watches only, as you probably well know quartz watches can, and do, function with either light or kinetic power. With added benefit of that these can still have a rechargeable battery, or capasitor, and thus be functional for quite a bit longer without their main power source than when the "surplus" power store is in form of spring.

      I know, it's hard to imagine, but it's true - technology that doesn't asphyxiate immediately when the spring doesn't have kinetic energy left. You know, this sort of thing just might catch on... :)

      There is no technical reason to have a mechanical watch. They have the "work of art", sentimental value, but that's the only value there is. Sorry.

      It may be sad from mech hacker's point of view, but so for your normal everyday people.

    27. Re:still fails.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it blows my mind as to how stupid the average slashdotter is..

      FOR WHEN YOU FORGET TO TAKE IT OFF YOU IDIOT.

      sheesh, the people that have a brain versus the clods are 5 to 1 in favor for the idiots...

    28. Re:still fails.. by belroth · · Score: 2
      There is no technical reason to have a mechanical watch. They have the "work of art", sentimental value, but that's the only value there is. Sorry.
      Er, how about EMP? :-)
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    29. Re:still fails.. by belroth · · Score: 2

      Considering a Rolex Oyster (for example) runs 8k-12k ukp where a reasonable battery watch (Seiko,Citizen etc) runs 100-300 ukp I may as well just treat watches as disposable - it's still way cheaper than buying a Rolex.

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  16. interesting, but by xenocyst · · Score: 1

    how much do you think it weighs, there is no mention of that on thier site, and I have no use for something that feels more like a handcuff than a watch on my wrist =)

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    1. Re:interesting, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It weighs in at approximately 5.7 ounces (162 g), and measures 1.4" x 2.0" x 0.5" (3.5 x 5.1 x 1.25 cm).

    2. Re:interesting, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from the website
      Approx. 5.7 oz (including stylus)
      So most likely just a little bulky.

    3. Re:interesting, but by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      That might be a selling point for some... :)

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  17. Imagine... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 0, Redundant

    a B...

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  18. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, not even CLOSE. You are the worst troll ever.

  19. Does anyone do market research anymore??? by Nefrayu · · Score: 1

    Another crossover device destined for failure because no body would ever use it.

    Nice work on getting it done, but does the market research really support a device like this?

    Can it play Ogg or run Linux? I didn't think so. Make one that can, and you can sell it to at least 20 /. readers. More than this device will sell.

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  20. Palm OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Fuck yeah! Palm OS is for the working class, pissed off, real man. Not some corporate faggot with his boss's dick up his ass. I'm 30lbs overweight, with the fuckin' hairiest ass crack this side of a gorilla. I've got a 10 inch bone that wont quit. My wife loves it, and so does yours. I jackhammer streets all day, and jackhammer cunt all night. is for the working class, pissed off, real man. Not some corporate faggot with his boss's dick up his ass. I'm 30lbs overweight, with the fuckin' hairiest ass crack this side of a gorilla. I've got a 10 inch bone that wont quit. My wife loves it, and so does yours. I jackhammer streets all day, and jackhammer cunt all night.

  21. Why they chose Palm OS by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 5, Funny

    They decided to go with Palm OS because there was no way they could fit Windows CE's EULA into something that small.

    RMN
    ~~~

    1. Re:Why they chose Palm OS by tigertigr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, Wrist OS was not yet available.

  22. I hate it when that happens!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • 2002-11-18 16:46:56 Fossil Watch Runs Palm OS (articles,news) (rejected)


    I feel so inadequate.
    1. Re:I hate it when that happens!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel your pain...

  23. Batteries... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 3, Funny

    And type quickly before the batteries run out :)

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  24. Re:Does? by scubacuda · · Score: 3, Funny
    Perhaps if you use the vibrating stylus jussssst right......

  25. Special gadgets by AskedRelic · · Score: 1

    Wheres the grapping hook or laser?
    I want the super cool spy stuff!

    1. Re:Special gadgets by kingkade · · Score: 1

      The IR port can be replaced by a -- *makes deliberate air-quotes -- "laser", if you wish.

    2. Re:Special gadgets by scubacuda · · Score: 2
      The important question is:

      Can sharks wear this laser watch?

    3. Re:Special gadgets by tmhsiao · · Score: 2

      Dr. Parsons spent an extraordinary amount of time getting the hardware for the laser small enough to fit on a wristwatch, and powerful enough despite the small batteries.

      The effort was called "The Alan Parsons Project"

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    4. Re:Special gadgets by coryboehne · · Score: 2

      Nah, we don't need no stinking high powered lasers on our wrist watches, just a nice Green one.

    5. Re:Special gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL
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    6. Re:Special gadgets by idontgno · · Score: 1
      Grepping hook?

      I just wanted a frickin' laser, or maybe some grep(1) hooks. A regex API, for God's sake. Geez.

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    7. Re:Special gadgets by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you are officially old... ;)

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  26. Chester Gould... by ackthpt · · Score: 0
    Chester Gould would have approved.

    By the way Segways are now for sale, not shipping until March, but if you've got $4K rattling around and want to look like Dick Tracy, all else you'll need is the hat and trench coat.

    Diet Smith, we hardly new you.

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    1. Re:Chester Gould... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently the moderator doesn't know their Dick Tracy. Diet Smith was the inventor of all of the high tech stuff.

  27. It's so big... by palmpunk · · Score: 1

    ...on my wrist, yet I must squint to see the screen.

    This looks like a great product for people who are after a pda-as-an-address book type device. I'm just scared to think what a monthly calendar will look like on it.

    I am used to the high-res screen on my Clie and using my girlfriend's palm vii hurts my eyes. Just as a guess, it looks like this screen is about the quarter of the size of a standard palm, which isn't even as big as the graffiti area. Oh my, I can't even think about having to scribble graffiti characters on my wrist...

  28. that is rad by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    Who cares how unusable, small, etc it is... that is one bad gadget! Tres Batman... can't wait for the color internet-capable cellphone version.
    sir_haxalot

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  29. It actually looks nice. by Marty200 · · Score: 1

    It has a bit of style. Not something I would have to hide when I'm out.
    MG

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  30. Uhhh.. by unicron · · Score: 2

    Yes, because your current Palm OS device is a massive, unruly behemoth of a machine, right? I thought we were all in agreement that the wearable, smaller and smaller computing equipment was a weird and dying trend. Hell, I think the screen on my Visor is too small, now it's a watch?

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  31. silly little stylus by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Would anyone seriously use the dinky little stylus that's part of the band? Talk about an ergonomic nightmare (and a choking hazard). Why not just include a selectable-point pen with every watch, that will let you switch between blue/black/red ink and a stylus? That seems to make much more sense from an actual functionality standpoint than that tiny stylus, letting you use the PDA concurrently and seamlessly with more traditional dead-tree technology.

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    1. Re:silly little stylus by spotter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      on the IBM linux watch our experiments seemed to imply that using a wheel that you could scroll around (selecting things) and also "click" was a good comprimise, however, one cant do everything that one would do with a palm w/ a device like that.

      It's like a tradeoff b/w those REX pcmcia devices and a full fledged palm. Do you want something that you aren't going to do full fledged input on (but can input things into), but is mostly for info retrieval, or something that you actually want to do lots of input into.

    2. Re:silly little stylus by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Talk about an ergonomic nightmare (and a choking hazard).

      I don't think you're supposed to hold it in your teeth. I would imagine your fingers would work better.

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    3. Re:silly little stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you're supposed to hold it in your teeth. I would imagine your fingers would work better.

      I have to hold my fingers with my teeth while using the PDA?? Forget it, I'm not buying one.

    4. Re:silly little stylus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't think you're supposed to hold it in your teeth. I would imagine your fingers would work better.


      What about people without arms? How are they expected to hold it?

    5. Re:silly little stylus by sapped · · Score: 1

      What about people without arms? How are they expected to hold it?

      Why would people without arms buy a wristwatch you clod!

    6. Re:silly little stylus by Feynman · · Score: 1
      Talk about an ergonomic nightmare . . . Why not just include a selectable-point pen with every watch . . . ?

      A PDA watch also poses a problem for those odd folks like me who wear their watch on the same wrist as the hand with which they write . . .

      Nobody ever told me that was not the "right" way to wear a watch!

    7. Re:silly little stylus by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Nobody ever told me that was not the "right" way to wear a watch!

      I think normally one wears their watch on their off-hand, because that generally avoids banging it on things more often. At least, that was the logic I always used.

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    8. Re:silly little stylus by Hays · · Score: 1

      Why would people without arms buy a wristwatch you clod!

      To tell the time. duh.

    9. Re:silly little stylus by murgee · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for them to put a really big Palm on a gold chain, so that maybe Public Enemy can make a comeback.

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    10. Re:silly little stylus by jafuser · · Score: 2
      on the IBM linux watch our experiments seemed to imply that using a wheel that you could scroll around (selecting things) and also "click" was a good comprimise
      The new Sidekick PDA uses this wheel-click user interface... Now if they'd make one of those into a wristwatch, it would be the ultimate geek gadget...
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  32. Problems by silvakow · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are some inherent problems with this solution. Screen size is an issue, ie. is there even enough space to display a full name on one line? How about their address and phone number?

    Also, you had better hope there's a smart keylock implemented so you aren't walking around erasing all of your files without realizing it (damn, sure is crowded on these New York subways ...)

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  33. Ubergeeky ubertiny uber not for me. by tinrobot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Never went in for calculators on my hips or wrists - this seems like the logical extension of that sort of geekwear. Not the kind of fashion statement I want to make.

    Plus - it's sooooo tiny, don't think I could read it anyways.

    Next!

  34. Power? by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2

    I change the batteries enough in my Handspring. I can only imagine how hard it's gonna be to pry the back off of the watch let alone trying to switch out the small watch batteries.

    1. Re:Power? by Xformer · · Score: 1

      Unless they managed to squeeze the HotSync port into the side somewhere, you're likely going to be prying the back off anyway to sync it. OTOH, if the port is exposed back there, then your wrist will definitely be itching.

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    2. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Lithium-Ion! (In other words, it's rechargeable. So, you won't have to change the batteries.)

    3. Re:Power? by neowolf · · Score: 1

      The FAQ on their (Fossil's) Web site talks about changing the batteries. It also says you have to reset the time when you change them, and they estimate you can get about 4 days out of a set if you actually use the watch for 30 minutes a day. What a joke! Assuming you barely use it- you can probably get a week out of it.

    4. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All watch batteries are Lithium. But they are NOT rechargeable!

  35. screen size... by Frobnicator · · Score: 2
    The screen looks to be quite a bit smaller than the Palm standard of 160x160. With the 6cm screen it is hard enough to get within a single pixel for selecting. The screen on their site looks to be about 3cm squre.

    If they do have 160x160, those icons look awfully big. If they don't have it, lots of apps will break. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the specs really say...

    frob.

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  36. Wow.. by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

    .. a 4-day battery.

    Where do I sign up?

    No thanks, I'll stick to using my Seiko Kinetic watch and carrying my Palm IIIxe.

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  37. That's nice and all, but... by falser · · Score: 3, Funny

    When can I have my Dick Tracy phone-watch?

    It's only been, what, 60 years since everyone has been waiting for it. We finally get something, and all it can do is graffiti? Sigh, the pace of evolution is slowing to a crawl...

  38. let me be the first in line to say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    At $149, I may be the first in line when it comes out next spring.

    You are a whore.

  39. Extending the lifespan of the 68000 by dsandler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's underpowered, sure, but the 68k architecture has been around long enough that, by now, it's a straightforward proposition to manufacture cores at low cost. Device makers are still trying to figure out how to put together ARM devices that land in impulse-buy territory, but Fossil can pack a totally functional 68k PDA into a $150 wristwatch. Nifty.

    1. Re:Extending the lifespan of the 68000 by silvakow · · Score: 4, Funny

      ARM? I thought it was a WRIST architecture!

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    2. Re:Extending the lifespan of the 68000 by bored · · Score: 2
      ...by now, it's a straightforward proposition to manufacture cores at low cost. Device makers are still trying to figure out how to put together ARM devices that land in impulse-buy territory

      I don't think it has anything to do with the cost of the ARM. There are numerious manufactures (Atmel, cirrus, etc) that are selling ARM microcontrollers for just a couple of $. Its more a problem of thinking up cool things to do with a CPU, that doesn't have a lot of RAM, (for mp3's etc) or a display attached that cannot be done with a little 15 cent PIC, or a 50 cent 8051.

  40. I would rather by kaosrain · · Score: 2

    This is definately neat, but I would much rather get this Palm Product for the same price as the watch, but with four times as much memory.

  41. I'd rather... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2

    Be able to have my watch not run out of batteries after an hour like it would running one of those. Also, do you think you could fit PocketWindows on a 2MB device? That thing is horribly bloated by comparison to PalmOS.

    This is exactly what I'm looking for, or at least it could be: a step up from my Timex Ironman Datalink. Now if they just get rid of the touchscreen, make it interface with the PC the same way as my watch, make it have night light, and 100M water resistant, ti'll be perfect.

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    1. Re:I'd rather... by xoff00 · · Score: 1

      Needs to have a laser and a high-tension garrote and I'd buy it.

      Or better, get the office to expense it. ;) ...Xoff

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  42. 4 days? by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If it only lasts for 4 days, they should have at least included the ability to wind it.

    Of course, I could be high.

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  43. Battery Life by SysPig · · Score: 1

    "...and sports a battery that according to Fossil will keep the watch running for approximately 4 days - based on an average of approximately 30 minutes of use per day with the backlight off."

    Wow - a watch that can last a whole four days without recharging?

    1. Re:Battery Life by grimsweep · · Score: 1

      To take this literally, I could buy a $150 watch that can (ideally) tell me the time for 2 consecutive hours.

      What happens when Palm starts making headway into the car market? A car with a completely customizeable digital dashboard, interprets your hand gestures to steer (steering wheel itself to be released in June), has green headlamps, and gets roughly 10 gallons to the mile.

  44. I'll bet you will... by ryanvm · · Score: 2

    At $149, I may be the first in line when it comes out next spring.

    I'll bet you will.

  45. Lefties? by bziman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Waterproof is important... but for something like this, it would also be nice to have a left-handed model -- or a reversible model. I'm sure their engineers could do that. It would suck to have to use the rocker-control with my left thumb instead of my index finger, like designed.

    And what's with the two hour battery life?

    Otherwise, very very cool.

    1. Re:Lefties? by XFriday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd think it would be pretty simple to make a left handed version. Rotate the display 180 degrees (in software), and have lefties put it on backwards, and flip the pgup/down keys, along with the rocker switch.

      The "Back" button would be oriented towards the top (rather than the bottom) and the clasp would probably be a bit weird to put on, but other than that it should be perfect.

    2. Re:Lefties? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, So far as I can figure without actually using it, It would probably be better to user the rocker control with your thumb, kind of like on the blackberries..... I think they designed this thing backwards for the majority of people who are going to put this on their left wrist. I don't care how it was "meant" to be used, it seems to me that using your thumb would be the easiest way to operate the rocker controller

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    3. Re:Lefties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FlipHack is capable of rotating the display in increments of 90 degrees. Using it in conjunction with FlipGraffitti it is possible for lefties to use the device.

  46. When can you get it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There doesn't seem to be any way to buy the thing. There also doesn't seem to be any arrival date or any useful information on availability. Am I missing something here?

  47. One important detail: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the screen is 2.5 X 4 inches, it is only for the fattest of fatties.

  48. Cute! Cool! I want it! by Uninvited+Guest · · Score: 1
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  49. an aggressive strike by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Although Fossil brought Palm to the table for this one, does anyone else get the distinct impression that they might be making an end-run into the PDA market?

    Fossil is a hugely popular brand (they even have Fossil stores in airports!) and with the low margins on watches, they might be looking for a new market. I mean, right now, any Taiwanese sweatshop can put together a POS digital watch, hell, some kid in his garage could do that.

    Remember when watches only had an hour and a minute hand? And then all of a sudden, they had a second hand, and now the date, several time zones, "chrono" mode and other stuff.

    The PDA is the next step in complexity and "needed" features for a wristwatch. If Fossil were to come out with its own Palmtop OS, or maybe even take Opie or something, they could ink a deal with a few fortune 500 companies just with the force of their name.

    And what happens at "What's up Wednesday" when your technology-fetishizing boss passes out a gaggle of huge PDA-watches to all the gals in accounting? I think you may have to start firing up the copy machine to print out resumes!

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    1. Re:an aggressive strike by Telecommando · · Score: 2

      Remember when watches only had an hour and a minute hand? And then all of a sudden, they had a second hand,

      My grandfather had a POCKET watch with a second hand. Which raises the question,

      "DUDE! Just how old are you anyway?""

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  50. Re:screen size... Questions answered. by Frobnicator · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The cnet link answered the questions.

    It does have the regular screen, but they modified the default apps to have bigger icons. Even so, it would have about .2 mm pixels; way to small to be useful. With even the .5 mm mechanical pencils you would end up always hitting multiple pixels on the digitizer.

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  51. get one of these ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... and be the first one on your block to NEVER EVER GET LAID AGAIN.

  52. Does anybody know by Boyceterous · · Score: 1

    if the thing has a CLOCK anywhere? I didn't see it mentioned. I used to always run out of time until I started wearing two watches :)

    1. Re:Does anybody know by Bobulusman · · Score: 1

      Since it's based on the Palm OS, it probably has a clock in the upper corner. Let me look.... ...yep. It does. However, given how big this screen is going to be, I doubt it will be very readable. Perhaps they should have a button on it to switch it to a large screen view?

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    2. Re:Does anybody know by enclaved · · Score: 1

      This is why they put the words next to the picture. CUSTOMIZABLE WATCH FACE You can configure the time display of your choice when not in PDA mode

  53. Fwap Fwap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can think of other reasons one arm may be longer than the other. ;)

  54. It runs Palm OS? by ParnBR · · Score: 1

    This is just paradoxical. Wrist OS should be more compatible.

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  55. mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 FUNNY

  56. anyone who waars one of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    deserves to be beatdown. I'm sure the developers of this are the little boys that you see running around with the calculator watches, and the stack of D&D books under their arms. The ones that were fun to drop in the trash cans, and throw crap at at lunch time.

  57. No hope... by lanky_boy_2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like slashdotters aren't already having enough trouble getting a date without wearing one of these goofy things.

    At least it doesn't have an antenna...

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  58. You can't take it on a plane, though. by wls · · Score: 2

    The stylus, hidden in the band, is confused by most airport guards as a prison shank.

    1. Re:You can't take it on a plane, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stylus, hidden in the band, is confused by most airport guards as a prison shank.

      For midgets.

  59. A likely absence of features by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not the first wrist-pda made by fossil, just the first Palm based one.

    They've been advertising their products as something that could interface with a PDA. In other words, they expect you to already have a PDA when you use it. The process of inputting data into it is something like this:
    1) Buy a PDA
    2) Put your data on your PDA
    3) Beam your data from your PDA to your fossil.

    I don't really like that too much. What's the point of the middle man? I want a pda for two reason, and two only:
    1) Addressbook
    2) Expenses data entry (not NEARLY as important).

    I need to be able to get data to my PC and from my PC, and I don't need another PDA. And for what I need, I don't need a touch screen, really. I'd rather have a more rugged watch than a touch screen.

    I expect that I am not alone in this assessment. I wonder when fossil will get the idea; reviewers have been talking about the serious shortcoming in their product (that they can't interface directly with PCs) for quite some time.

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    1. Re:A likely absence of features by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 2

      there's one BIG plus to having a palm-PDA-in-a-watch even if you already have a PDA: getting decent alarms!

      I don't keep my Palm on me all the time (obviously) which limits its usefulness for alarms quite a bit: having a watch that can be synced with my iiic would be a really nice bonus.

      Being able to look up somebody's phone number wherever you are, is really good, and if they mod this to be able to do DTMF (sp?) directly, it would be even better.

      Also, if they are smart, they will also include a vibrating alarm in this watch, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.

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  60. 5 seconds... by rocjoe71 · · Score: 2

    ...is how long it would take me to lose that itty-bitty stylus that comes with the wristband!

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  61. Against God by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

    A palm on the back of your wrist! You know what's next. We'll be eating with our butts and walking on our hands.

  62. can it handle real use? by xeno · · Score: 2

    This looks like a great entry into the stagnating pda field. However, can really stand the abuse associated with everyday life? First, I probably slam my wrist into some object or another about once every two weeks or so. This used to destroy cheaper watches until my wife bought me a near-indestructable watch (ESQ for anyone who cares). When I think about the fragile touch-screen on my Handera and my old Workpad (both palmOS devices), I wonder how Fossil manages to get a touch-screen that won't get smashed the first time I bump into something when working under my car.

    Second, you've gotta wonder about battery life on an item that small. A closely-related third concerns accessories -- If they came out with one of these that could take an MMC card, supported bluetooth, or had any other fancy doodads, the battery life would be pretty abysmal. Then again, I'd nab one of these if it had any sort of expansion or networking capability. The notion of hotsyncing over bluetooth while in a charger stand next to my bed is very cool AND useful. And musing about the possibilities for corporate espionage with a SDIO 802.11 card in your watch strike me as the ultimate anti-Dick-Tracy chic.

    I guess I will be first in line... for the second release.

    Jon

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  63. It's not really a palm device... by ParnBR · · Score: 1

    ...but a wrist device, actually. :)

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  64. TMy next UberPDA by Lispy · · Score: 1

    Yea, and it doesnt look cool. It looks like someone put todays tech into an 80s series vision of the future. And can it be called a palm anymway?

    Next time i buy a PDA it will play Mp3s and answer calls in my teeth, display right on my retina and take input via a projected keyboard. Until then ill stay with my atari portfolio...

    cu,
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  65. Important Safety Tip by serutan · · Score: 3, Funny

    WARNING: Using this product to view pr0n on your wrist can cause eyestrain and motion sickness.

  66. Watch only good for 4 days!!! by toupsie · · Score: 2
    The watch uses a USB interface for synchronizing with a PC, and sports a battery that according to Fossil will keep the watch running for approximately 4 days

    I tend to like my watch to keep time for more than 4 days before switching the battery out. If you have to replace the battery every 4 days and a battery costs $.50 US, it will cost you ~$45 a year to keep it running. No thanks! My Ericsson T68m has a PDA and clock with the side benefit of letting me call anyone, anywhere in America plus its not much bigger than this clunker of a watch.

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    1. Re:Watch only good for 4 days!!! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2

      Uh...it recharges. Probably from the USB port.

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    2. Re:Watch only good for 4 days!!! by neowolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the FAQ on their Web site- you have to CHANGE the batteries. That means it doesn't charge when syncing. What a joke!

  67. Ah yes, but Nokia have a Videphone watch coming by Wonderkid · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And that's from someone I know who works at the firm.

    In addition, I was on a train from Paddington Station in London, England this week, and got to see an actual 3G phone working. An employee was testing it (yes, there is a nearly complete 3G network in the UK). The phone was from a Japanese manufacturer, had twin cameras and a very high quality feel. But what blew me away, and this will mean the death of ALL OTHER phones the moment this puppy is launched in the UK in a few months is the fact that it has a PIP (Picture In Picture) feature thanks to the two cameras. The other person sees your face in a window in front of the view you can see, or the other way around. The video quality was at least 10 fps, and the killer app will be shopping. "Dahling, is this the wine you wanted me to get?" And of course, there will be the drunk twit who forgets he has a videophone and while at the bar with a cute chic in view calls his wife to say he will be home late because he's working late at the office. (What he meant to say was orifice.)

    (All the above is true. I am not revealing my sources, but within 3 months, everything is going to change. Goodbye privacy. Everyone will be in view of someone's video phone at some point every week. Get out the lipstick baby!)

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    1. Re:Ah yes, but Nokia have a Videphone watch coming by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2


      Hey, it's the same "Videophones are the next big thing" hype that we've been hearing since the 1950s! But this time, it's got a cellular twist.

      I'm not buying it. The hype, or the video wristwatch.

    2. Re:Ah yes, but Nokia have a Videphone watch coming by ewieling · · Score: 1

      How much? US$600? It's not going to rock too many people's world at that price. --Eric

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  68. Neat indeed... by Gropo · · Score: 1

    I heard a rumor that Fossil was going to introduce a LED Display watch at some point in the near future... PDA-schmee-dee-ay! I want retro geek!

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  69. If it just had a phone integrated by Pi+Kapp+142 · · Score: 1

    Dude I am all about this thing. I am a little worried aobut the 2 MB and there is not a shot of how big it will actually be, but I think I am going to get this. I am also a big fan of Fossil watches anyway so this is just the thing.

  70. Market Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This does not have any serious rear entry potentail to an already over-saturated marketplace. People are worrying too much about the economic instabality of the US to spend money on such frivilous things (1929 anyone? We are not too far off). To ask an already over paniced public to spend money on an appliance that seems only as an attempt from a gloating competitor seems somewhat downright senseless.

    People need to understand that in the complex social structure that we live in others will not so willingly spend their only remaining consumable income on a frivilous device whose sole purpose (i.e. existance) is to further isolate them from societu (that is the last thing we need)

    Stock needs to be taken of consumer whims and demands of an over flatuating market. These times are scary

  71. I can imagine the frightened looks now... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    ...that I'll get when I'm sitting at my desk with one of these watches on and the USB line going from my wrist into my notebook. Borg chic, anyone?

    If Fossil had any brains, they'll hopefully let the battery recharge through the USB port. I'll definitely buy one in that case.

  72. Cheating In Exam by atam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now you can cheat at your exam by storing hard to remember formula, historical events, famous quotes, etc, in the palm enabled watch. When no one is watching, you could browse the information at your own pace. When your teacher is walking nearby, press a couple of the button, it becomes an ordinary watch again. Also, use the IR to beam back and forth for networked cheating. (Assuming your next chair neighbour also has this watch) It is the student's ultimate learning tool :-)

  73. Can we port the amiga dos for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then, one must figure out how to make believe intuition that there are custom chips such as fat agnus and amazon bitch.

  74. Obvious Knight Rider Quote... by Lispy · · Score: 1

    We were promised A.I. cars and all we got was his lousy wrist watch...

    cu,
    Lispy

  75. Battery life? Speed? Video games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long will the batteries last? Is it as fast as a regular Plam Pilot? Can I load Palm video games on it?

  76. Obligitory Joke by MBCook · · Score: 2

    Just image in a beowulf cluster of these! It'd fit on your arm and have enough power to emualate a REAL PDA at about 1/10th speed! Of course, it'd be cool to put five on and get super-micro-wide-screen.

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  77. ruputer? by gTsiros · · Score: 2

    Anyone remember the RUnning comPUTER?

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  78. Geek stands down by forged · · Score: 1
    This beats my Casio GPS watch (here).

    In other geek news, one of my friends got his iPaq to run Linux today (opi). This definitely beats me :'-(

  79. Why didn't I think of this? by xchino · · Score: 1

    This sure beats my Palm OS Based sweatband idea.

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  80. another distraction by aneurysm36 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    holy crap...now we'll have some bitch in a SUV on her cell phone planning her calendar on her watch

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  81. Battery Life? by dokebi · · Score: 1

    Any one have any info on this?

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  82. Just great except... by jmcwork · · Score: 2

    It's so small it will take me forever to scroll over when I want to look up Paulina Porizkova's phone number!

  83. Two Palms, one hand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So would masturbating while wearing this new watch be considered menage a trois?

  84. Palm clinched a alliance with RealNetwork by viggen · · Score: 1

    at Internet.com to read, which gives the fossil pda at least a useful feature listen to your mp3 collection.

  85. where's the one for lefties? by wardk · · Score: 1

    all the buttons are on the wrong side!

  86. Any cool watches out there now? by dancedance · · Score: 1

    I have an old ironman from timex, but it has just recently died and now I am in the market for a new watch. This would probably be the watch I would get if it were available sooner. Anybody have suggestions of other cool watches that are available right now?

  87. Misleading... by WeirWolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Shouldn't they call this a wrist pilot?

    -Chris

  88. I'll be last in line to get one by Illserve · · Score: 2

    Frankly, I can't imagine using such a thing. PDA's are tough enough at that size, but a watch? The huge sacrifices in usability are certainly not worth the tiny size. Also, it's going to take a tremendous amount of abuse on your wrist, as opposed to a PDA hiding safely in a breast pocket most of the time.

    This is, IMO, a perfect example of a gee-whiz product that has minimal practically for all but the most determined gadget freak.

    Let's face it, CPU/Memory are no longer the major limiting factors in PDA design. The real issue is(or should be) how to interact with the damn thing in a convenient and rapid manner using our clumsy fingers. A PDA watch is a step in the wrong direction.

  89. Pr0n on your wrist by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Funny
    Let's see. 2Mb. I don't know what the screen res is - let's say 160x160, which is probably an overestimate. Assume mono so that's 8 pixels/byte. That means 2,000,000/160/160*8 = 625 images.

    I'll be watching carefully to see how much longer people with these things spend in the bathroom.

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  90. Extra Bonus! by edremy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doubles as a birth control device! Wear one of these puppies and watch the women cross the street to avoid you!

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  91. Re:Battery Life? (really blows) by DigitalDad · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yea, according to their specs, battery life is like 4 days! The only good thing is that the batteries are Lithium-ion rechargable. They don't say how they are recharged, but according to the linked page, the watch has a USB port. So onw can assume you hook it up to your computer's USB port to recharge at night or something.

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  92. bicch-ass mods! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to take the wind out of my sails, mods.
    Not like you could have used that mod point to upmod a good post!

    I'm still gonna tell Mom I'm not the worst troll ever! She'll be so proud, she never thought I'd amount to anything!

  93. palm OS version by satsuke · · Score: 1

    Not to nitpick .. but the press release linked to refers to the latest version of palmOS being 4.1 .. last time I checked that Sony running 5.0 is in Best Buy and is a product.

    Seems like they would want to make a specialized toolkit for this thing that only dislayed the completely relevent information rather than a standard palm display and scrolling around like mad.

    Phone number or name in the datebook function that takes the entire screen or some such.

    Sort of like the clock function on some of the Palm m100 series devices.

    With only 2 megs of memory though .. don't expect to play your game boy emulator on it with any speed or fidelity.

    1. Re:palm OS version by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 2

      Yes, but the PalmOS 5 doesn't add any user-visible features over 4.1. It *does* run ARM code, however, whereas 4.x and earlier only run Dragonball code.

      As for games ... you can run the Greatest Palm Game of all: Space Trader (http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/p.spronck/picoverse/Spac eTrader/STDownload.html)
      so quitcherwhinin!

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  94. Beyond Zire... by DroppedPacket · · Score: 1

    I just zoomed beyond Zire and went into full out geek lust...

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  95. waterproof by sg3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > Actually, I believe no modern watch claims to be
    >"waterproof", it's always "water resistant to xx meters"

    Rolex Oyster Perpetual watches are designated as "waterproof": From their website: "An Officially Certified Swiss Chronometer, the Rolex Oyster Perpetual is equipped with a waterproof case, a sapphire crystal and a self-winding movement." Sorry, their site is too annoying to navigate, so I can't give an actual link.

    Urban legend used to say that this was because Rolex trademarked the phrase "waterproof", so everyone else had to use "water resistant." I'm not sure if this is the case (I've never seen them stick TM at the end of the phrase in their literature), but the reason could be that Rolex watches are made a little differently than a regular watch.

    Rolex Oyster watches are cast all in one piece or slug, rather than assembled from multiple pieces. As a result, when the watch is put together, it is basically sealed. The result is rather heavy -- to give you an idea, take off your shoe, attach that to your wrist, and then walk around for a while -- but they're built to last.

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    1. Re:waterproof by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly, one of the Oyster watches (I didn't take note of which one, you're right that site is very annoying): "Waterproof to 100 metres/330 feet, all models are fitted with a crystal crafted from a solid block of synthetic sapphire that is virtually scratchproof."

      100 meters is no better than a decent quality casio.

      On the other hand, the "Submariner" is "waterproof" to 300 meters or 1000 feet. That's more impressive. That's a lot pressure.

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    2. Re:waterproof by Skyfire · · Score: 1

      except that they probably are "waterproof" to 100 meters. ALl of the casio and timex watches that I've run into have drowned in repetitive 20 feet of water.

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    3. Re:waterproof by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are 100 metres deep, you are either going to be:

      a) already dead, or about to die from decompression sickness
      b) a highly experienced scuba diver (in which case you will have a dive computer strapped where your watch would be) or
      c) in a pressurised submarine

      You are unlikely to return alive and well from 50m unless you really know what you are doing, get anywhere near 100m and your watch will be the least of your worries.

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    4. Re:waterproof by Kirth+Gersen · · Score: 1

      My Casio (F-28 W, just says "water resist" with no rating) didn't die down to about 15 m, according to my dive instructor. He also said that Casios are reasonably reliable (which is why I wore it on the dive), but if I remember rightly he said the ones with higher ratings don't perform any better than the others.

    5. Re:waterproof by Sdrawcab · · Score: 1

      I have a Fossil titanium that says its waterproof to 200 meters/660 feet, wich I find to be rather impressive. And the back is screw-in, so it should still be pretty good after the battery is changed. The most ridiculous watch I wver saw was one that was filled with silicone oil or some such fluid. It was good to 20,000 feet or so IIRC!

  96. Battery Life by Spudnuts · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the specs (linked from Fossil's PDA page), the battery does last only 4 days with use, but is rechargable Li-Ion.

  97. Naked Lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You know what's next. We'll be eating with our butts and walking on our hands.

    You jest, but it could happen! Remember the man who taught his asshole to talk?

  98. Lefthand/righthanded issue by sohp · · Score: 2

    I would just not buy this at all. I write with my left hand, and the Palm PDA is already somewhat righty-specific, but not so that it matters, just annoying. This may be odd for a lefty, but I wear my watch on my left wrist. Even the most flexible person I've met can't touch their left fingers to their left wrist, so clearly I'm not going to be doing any Graffiti with it. I would probably be able to get comfortable using my right hand on the controls, but it would take practice. I would never get comfortable with my watch on my right wrist.

    Anyway, that's my lefty/righty rant for today. Discuss amonst yourselves.

  99. I'll pass by jmichaelg · · Score: 2
    If my experience is indicative, Fossil watches lean more towards glitz than function.

    I had a Fossil watch that lasted all of a year. The first battery went south after 6 months and the stainless steel finish rubbed off after 10 months. What had started out as a very nice looking, functional watch ended up being shabby and definitely not worth the $125 price tag.

  100. No way! by raehl · · Score: 2

    We should revoke your /. membership - a true /. geek does his math in his head, not on his wrist.

  101. timex datalink by asv108 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone remember the Timex Datalink?. It wasn't a full fledged PDA, but it was really cool back in 1996. The watch would read bars on the monitor to dowload information from the PC. It was a nice way to keep track of phone numbers and Appointments.

    1. Re:timex datalink by ericnewton · · Score: 1

      Yah, but if you look REALLY closely at one, you'll
      see it says "microsoft" on the face. Eeeww.

      I was getting my wallet out for this, when I saw the logo. I put it right back.

  102. Re:Redundant...try a mod by lugonn · · Score: 2
    Remove the wristbands, and attach a gold chain. Viola! Pocket watch.

    Or you could swap the gear guts in an old watch for the PDA guts. That'd be too cool to bust out an old brass pocket watch, pop it open, and check you appointments. For full effect you'd have to do this is a room full-o-geeks.

  103. Any mention of aa left-handed version? by marhar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most watches aren't too bad worn on the right wrist, but this one looks like it's going to be really inconvenient for lefties... :-/

  104. Re:screen size... Questions answered. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
    With even the .5 mm mechanical pencils you would end up always hitting multiple pixels on the digitizer.

    Since when have Palm used 1px sized widgets?

  105. You must be REALLY OLD by swb · · Score: 2

    Remember when watches only had an hour and a minute hand? And then all of a sudden, they had a second hand, and now the date, several time zones, "chrono" mode and other stuff.

    Mechanical (NO electronics) watches with chronograph function have been around for decades as mass-market watches and continue to be made in the high-end watch market.

    Also, the high-end watch world disdains pretty much everything that isn't 100% mechanical -- no quartz movements.

    1. Re:You must be REALLY OLD by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Also, the high-end watch world disdains pretty much everything that isn't 100% mechanical -- no quartz movements.

      That's because they are all about craftmanship and using quartz movement is cheating in a way. I just wish I could afford one of them. I have received many compliments for the watch that I do have though.

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  106. Much like real life... by cmeans · · Score: 2
    It's a PALM, running of an ARM, on your WRIST.

  107. Re:screen size... Questions answered. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    .2 mm pixels; way to small to be useful. With even the .5 mm mechanical pencils you would end up always hitting multiple pixels on the digitizer.

    When have you needed to address individual pixels in the normal course of PDAing?! Certainly not for Graffiti or selecting icons or widgets.

  108. How Does This Compare To My Palm V? by Grail · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does this watch compare to my Palm V?

    The main reason I got the Palm V was to be an alarm clock. I kept missing appointments, even though I had them written in my DayRunner(tm) diary - I just never got into the habit of checking my diary every 15 minutes.

    This watch would make life a little easier for me - as slim as the Palm V is, it's still something extra to bulk up my shirt/trouser/backpack pockets with.

    The biggest drawback for me would be that the watch isn't designed to be a PDA by itself. It's almost like Fossil only wanted the watch to be a fancy alarm clock with address book function. So you'd have to have the watch as well as a PDA in order to get full functionality from it (using beamed business cards for example).

    But for the original purpose that I bought the Palm V - reminding me of appointments (and putting out the trash, and leaving the computer game to go to bed) - this watch is just right. I don't think I'd be willing to pony up the $AU600 though - that kind of money would get a really nice watch from Casio.

    Since I already have a PalmOS device, this watch wouldn't really be much use to me. If I didn't have a PalmOS device, I'd consider buying it, if it was half the price.

  109. And the answers are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    well I think I can finally pass my GRE...

  110. Re:YEARRRGHH! by Gropo · · Score: 1

    He fought for the Confederacy, correct?

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  111. This watch is going to be annoying... by thelinuxking · · Score: 2

    Its probably going to lose its battery every week, and have to be replaced. It says in the faq that all data is stored in flash, and the only thing that will have to be reset is the time...

    I don't know about you, but I think it would be worth it to have a cheap backup battery inside the watch to keep the time when the watch loses main power. You know, to make it actually function well as a watch.

  112. Re:Ah yes,but Nokia have a VideoPhone watch coming by Wonderkid · · Score: 1
    It's not hype. I'll back it up:

    1. Within the last 3 months, 10million still image camera phones (such as Nokia 7650) were sold.

    2. Photography is the world's largest hobbyist industry by far.

    3. The concept of being able to transmit live moving pictures from anywhere will have huge implications beyond obvious new baby to Grandma 2000 miles away. Please consider what happened on Sept 11 where the public were those who RECORDED the traumatic images from various angles. Now, with the advent of video mobile phones, we will all become instant LIVE news reporters.

    I think this is such an important issue that it should be an independent topic on /.

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  113. Don't dulplicate desktop stuff to mobile device by taoguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We keep duplicating desktop User Interface (UI) metaphor to mobile device, i.e., copy GUI, web stuffs to PDA, cellular phone and now, watch. Come on, it wouldn't work well. We need an innovative UI for mobile device. I don't know what it will be. But I do know it wouldn't be GUI stuff. Probably audio based UI.

    1. Re:Don't dulplicate desktop stuff to mobile device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at this devices, your'll quickly see that (with the exception of WinCE) THEY ARE DIFFRENT to Desktops.

  114. I guess that explains... by Charlie+Bill · · Score: 1

    ...why Fry's was unloading these for about $80...

  115. Suuuuure by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Lovely piece of fantasy, give it a score of 2 for originality..

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    1. Re:Suuuuure by spotter · · Score: 1

      as I told the other person, believe what you want. you could confirm easily enough if its on my resume or not.

    2. Re:Suuuuure by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      And a resume has never had bogus material on it... Yep im a beliver.. bah.

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  116. Man, it figures... by X-Nc · · Score: 2

    I got the Fossil watch a few months ago and it was $149. To bad I didn't wait. Heh, doesn't matter really... I lost my Handspring Visor Delux on Saturday so I need a new PDA now.

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  117. fsck that fossil by presearch · · Score: 2

    Figures. I gave an email address to the developers
    link on the fossil site, hoping to get some insight
    on writing apps for the thing. Within an hour I
    got an email from fossil.com welcoming me to
    their "Fossil Collector's Club" , trying to sell
    me watches. Screw them and their worthless
    little trinkets.

  118. Re:Battery life? Speed? Video games? by mlk · · Score: 1

    4hrs
    Only has 2MB, most WinCE PDAs come with 32-64 and PalmOs 8-32.
    Does not have have CPU specs, but at a guess it would be low.

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  119. I'd be interested too by jago25_98 · · Score: 0

    that's all.

    The one thing that I really need to have on me all the time is something roughly as good as a notepad.

    If it's a watch that'll help. Been waiting for this sort of thing all my life though

  120. Read more carefully... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2

    If you look carefully, you'll see that this is a FAQ for the currently existing Wrist PDA, as it mentions problems that have occurred since the device's inception (look at the title of the FAQ). This is not a FAQ for the new watch.

    The only thing available for the new watch are specs , data, and a really, really bad flash demo.

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  121. Too big for a watch by ksheff · · Score: 1

    The screen is too small, but overall this is going to be a big friggen watch. I don't see many watches that are 1/2" thick. I used the original PDA watch for a while and it was cumbersome. To me, watches are pieces of machinery that you strap on and forget about them until you need them. The PDA watch was a relatively heavy clunky thing that one always was aware of. If they reduce the thickness by 50%, I'd consider buying one.

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    1. Re:Too big for a watch by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2

      My Timex Beepwear PRO is 1/2 thick. You'll also find a lot of "G-Shock" like watches sold these days to be just as thick.

      They never seemed too cumbersome to me.

      A PDA watch at 1/2" thick is probably a good size for a first design. I'd expected it would have been thicker to start.

  122. Wonder how scratch-resistent it is? Or not. by jpdbest · · Score: 1

    Cool geek toy factor aside, you have to wonder how practical it is to have a touch screen PDA as a wrist watch. No matter how careful you are with a watch, you're going to eventually end up scratching the face. And that'll happen with normal watch faces that are *meant* to take a beating. Scratching a touch screen PDA that small would be disasterous, forget about using the stylus afterwards (if the screen itself is still functional). Maybe they should think about bundling some watch-sized Fellowes Screen Overlays with it, or at least have a transparent, protective flip-cover.

  123. I bought a PDA watch years ago... by saskboy · · Score: 2

    I bought a Timex Data Link, that reads the phone numbers, birthdays, and more from the database you type into the computer. It uses a barcode reader, but the program doesn't work on a Pentium II unless I slow it down.

    The battery lasted for 3 years as promised, and I'm only on my second battery now. I would highly recommend this watch to anyone who doesn't want to carry around a wallet full of membership numbers, and such. Great phonebook too.

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  124. Re:screen size... Questions answered. by Frobnicator · · Score: 1
    Several apps use small blocks. The PalmOS 4.0 NotePad program has 1-pixel accuracy. Some games I have played use 1px lines that you need to move around. Some custom tools I have used wanted 4-pixel square accuracy.

    frob.

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  125. coolest... watch... ever by Galvatron · · Score: 2

    Mine has a circular slide rule. Not as visually offensive as the casio calculator, but even more geeky (plus, it takes square roots, which I don't believe the casio did).

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  126. Rocker (R) by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

    Anyone notice that the Fossile press release list "Rocker" as a registered trademark?

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  127. "Waterproof" to 10,000 feet! by Doug+Merritt · · Score: 2
    You made me curious, so I searched, and found:

    BREITLING has accomplished a new technical feat with the launch of the AVENGER SEAWOLF a professional diver's watch that is water-resistant to 10,000 feet (3,000 meters)

    And yes, they say "water resistant".

    It seems to imply that helium is forced into the case at great depths, which they evacuate through a safety valve. Helium is an extremely agile molecule, so it makes sense that it would creep in through the best of seals, but I was not aware that there was any appreciable amount of helium dissolved in sea water. Hmm.

    The second hit in the search seemed to be about robustly water-resistant makeup that can withstand facial expressions being projected over a thousand feet...I believe they're talking about some theater thing, not diving, though, unless diving has changed really radically since I last went! :-)

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    1. Re:"Waterproof" to 10,000 feet! by Sdrawcab · · Score: 1

      http://www.wcj.ca/sdw/ HYPERBAR, WITH THE HYPERBAR DEEP-DIVER-SYSTEM SWISS DIVER WATCHES REACHES A DEPTHS 12000 METERS / 39600 FEET. For sure you recognized already that the inside the HYPERBAR watch except a more or less a small bubble, is completely filled out with a liquid. More precisely all the components, including the movement are plunged in this liquid. Only the patented filling system (patent no. CH686989B5) makes the incredible durability possible, tested and certified by EGI - Swiss Federal Inspectorate of Dangerous Materials, test report no. 102433. Besides, the HYPERBAR Deep Diver System is based on a simple physical principle, which starfish and sea-urchins are making use of for millions of years already: the incompressibility of the liquid. These aborigines of the sea are consisted of a texture, permeable to the water surrounding them. That means: The pressure from the outside will be equalized by the same pressure from the inside, equivalent a force zero, which for the starfish and the sea-urchin means not more and less than surviving in a few thousand meters / ten thousand feet. Adapting this system into a wrist watch seems to be a relatively simple, nevertheless it took us years of research and development until the realization. One of our major tasks was to choose, test and harmonize very carefully all the different components and materials. Besides, for the case of the HYPERBAR watch it was of course impossible to be permanent as a starfish. That means we had to mix a liquid which was A stable under all conditions and B at the same time digestible for all the material and components.

  128. So is it a wristwatch? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2

    You know, all those palm functions would be nice, but what I really want from a thing I wear on my wrist is the ability to know at a glance what time it is. If this thing tells you about all your meetings at 11:30, 2 and 4 without telling you what time is now, I'll laugh. An ordinary watch is still a pretty good personal organizer if you ask me.

  129. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snap the straps off, attach a string and wear it around your neck. I guess. That might be an acceptable size, plus it would be closer to your face than if it were on your wrist.

  130. Now imagine.. by varjag · · Score: 2, Funny

    a Beowulf cluster of those!

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  131. Finally! by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 2

    At last, I can play SimCity Classic on my wristwatch!

    Now, my life is complete and I can die happily.

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