This is the first sign that the "pendulum" is swinging toward having local job creation again. HP admitted that having the IT folks TOGETHER makes them better. You couldn't be more apart than California and India. Of course, your programmers have been telling you this for YEARS, but it takes a pointy-haired boss to implement it.
There's a HUGE f-ing difference. If I get a 50% paycut, my mortgage and car payments will remain the same. Sure, I can buy a $5 t-shirt from wal-mart, but I've still got a mortgage to pay that HASN'T been sliced in half.
Didn't really cost the supporters $10mm/either!
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They bought an insurance policy for something like $100,000 saying that it would only pay if someone fulfilled the requirements. Some insurance company weasel is getting his ass chewed right now by his boss!!!
Err... Honda started up here (along with all other foreign transplants) because Reagan (the bastion of the "free" market) put up 25% tariffs on imported cars to save Detroit.
Yes, they moved production here because it was "cheaper". It was "cheaper" because there were no tariffs.
You said it's no longer an American's right to have a good job. Guess what, lady? It's no longer your right to skee-roo the taxpayers out of millions of bucks so you can have a fat salary.
My Algebra teacher said that all the advanced classes he taught had 90%-100% attendance, while his remedial classes had 25%-45% absentees that day. Dumb parents breed dumb children.
But when it comes right down to it, how do you know it isn't your $19 CD-ROM drive you're using to try to read it? Or perhaps the OS just simply not agreeing it? Every time a disk is "unreadable" in my Plextor Ultraplex, for some reason it is perfectly fine in another PC containing an old-school 12x drive, therefore it's not "unreadable".
That researchers will say anything to get published.
Have any of you ever had a CDR become unreadable for any reason other than scratching it? I sure haven't, and I've used CDRs on a regular basis for 5-6 years now.
Monopolies existed everywhere Railroads were allowed to import Chinese folks and pay them literally in rice...yet fantastic estates were formed by the few who had 99% of the wealth (Hurst, Rockefeller, Kennedy, et al) while everyone else pretty much lived in poverty.
After the unions formed, a middle class started emmerging in America. Business started paying good wages. Saftey standards started rising. Standard of living rose dramatically.
While TODAY'S unions help some lazy people keep their jobs, do you want the alternative?
I can't imagine EDS surviving. With the number of people they have pissed off.
It's going to be a beautiful thing with the baby boomers retire from their high-ranking positions and hand the reigns over to us. We will certanly not talk to EDS. Well, except to make them waste $100,000 or so writing a proposal.:)
As an EX-EDSer myself, I CHEERED when I saw this news yesterday. This is the start of the end of the relentless pursuit of the cheapest labor possible (Read: INDIA).
Dick Brown was a scourge of the IT industry. I hope his $55 million from last year and $38 million in severence serve him well while he's frying in hell for his deeds.
I'm glad I was able to leave EDS on my own accord, and I don't care WHO they put in there, I'd never work there again.
Consider how bad it is to have a wife, house, etc and no job. It's a lot worse than not having a paid internship.
My suggestion is that you spend the summer reading. Maybe subscribe to the Wall Street Journal and learn something other than how to bang out code? Turn off the TV, put down the pipe, and READ.
If I was in your situation, I'd probably take a few classes in Chinese at your local community college to suppliment my learning. Can you imagine the responses a programmer would get if he put "speaks fluent Chinese" on his resume?
You people bitch and moan about wanting cheap broadband, but when SBC comes in and says "we want to build a network without threats that you'll force us to subsidize the competition", everyone screams "MONOPOLY!!!"
The only way you'll ever get cheap broadband is if there is more than one way to get it. Cable is the ONLY way to get it in many areas. DSL would be the second way if legislators would just let the market take its course.
Soon, this will all be a moot point since wireless broadband will end the debate within 5 years.
So what can we do? I will avoid using the "U" word because the auto-modder will mod me as a Troll if I use it.
I am actually in an MBA program (and I was in it BEFORE all the reports came out saying that MBAs are worthless/dime-a-dozen/etc). I am under no delusions that this will help get be a better paying job, I'm just hoping to become the guy that orders American programmers out the door and hires Indians to replace them.:(
H1B is the biggest red herring EVER. H1B is NOT the problem. It's the offshore outsourcing that is destroying our profession, not H1B. IEEE is incredibly stupid for suggesting that H1B is anything more than a distraction from the real problem.
BTW: What part of the country are you in? I am from the Midwest...
Money, of course, isn't A number 1 for me. However, stability IS A number 1. All that matters to me is that I get a steady income (I don't care if I never get a raise again).
There are far more out of work programmers than there are out of work attorneys. AND they are not forced to compete against people demanding $8k/year as salary. PLUS they have the American Bar ASsociation making sure that never happens!
What do WE have? The programmers guild!?!? Bhahahah!!!
Hell yeah, I'd love to be a beach bum. Have you ever visited Florida in the wintertime? Still nice weather!!!
Oh, we can't? Just like we can't have all the steel imported, we can't have all the textiles imported, and we can't have all the kid's toys imported?
India will ruin this industry that I have loved for so many years. Sure, I'd like to be a beach bum, too, but that doesn't pay very f-ing well, does it? Just because someone likes doing something for a "living" doesn't mean it can be done anymore.
I have a family to support, not just a dream of staying solvent. I want something I can support us on. IT was supposed to be that something, but thanks to our short-sighted government and a flood of nearly-free-as-in-beer programmers from another country, I can't have it.
All I'm asking is "what now"? You say there are far too many lawyers, I say there are far too many PROGRAMMERS. Do you know any out of work lawyers?
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This is the first sign that the "pendulum" is swinging toward having local job creation again. HP admitted that having the IT folks TOGETHER makes them better. You couldn't be more apart than California and India.
Of course, your programmers have been telling you this for YEARS, but it takes a pointy-haired boss to implement it.
There's a HUGE f-ing difference. If I get a 50% paycut, my mortgage and car payments will remain the same. Sure, I can buy a $5 t-shirt from wal-mart, but I've still got a mortgage to pay that HASN'T been sliced in half.
They bought an insurance policy for something like $100,000 saying that it would only pay if someone fulfilled the requirements. Some insurance company weasel is getting his ass chewed right now by his boss!!!
Err... Honda started up here (along with all other foreign transplants) because Reagan (the bastion of the "free" market) put up 25% tariffs on imported cars to save Detroit.
Yes, they moved production here because it was "cheaper". It was "cheaper" because there were no tariffs.
Carly Fiorina--
You said it's no longer an American's right to have a good job. Guess what, lady? It's no longer your right to skee-roo the taxpayers out of millions of bucks so you can have a fat salary.
Dec 3, 1990 was the predicted date.
My Algebra teacher said that all the advanced classes he taught had 90%-100% attendance, while his remedial classes had 25%-45% absentees that day. Dumb parents breed dumb children.
Interresting, no?
But when it comes right down to it, how do you know it isn't your $19 CD-ROM drive you're using to try to read it? Or perhaps the OS just simply not agreeing it? Every time a disk is "unreadable" in my Plextor Ultraplex, for some reason it is perfectly fine in another PC containing an old-school 12x drive, therefore it's not "unreadable".
That researchers will say anything to get published.
Have any of you ever had a CDR become unreadable for any reason other than scratching it? I sure haven't, and I've used CDRs on a regular basis for 5-6 years now.
The phone company seems to have had fewer women than the brokerage house.
Join me on the dark side where the guys wear ties.
=)
We had no women, but we sure had a sweet-assed solar car. =)
Truck driver ...
Litigator
Congressman
That's about all. =(
Do you see any way of stopping this (other than another Great Depression and a world war?)
:(
I hope you're wrong, but I know you're right.
I wonder if people feel this way during every recession?
Think about what America was like pre-unions.
...yet fantastic estates were formed by the few who had 99% of the wealth (Hurst, Rockefeller, Kennedy, et al) while everyone else pretty much lived in poverty.
Monopolies existed everywhere
Railroads were allowed to import Chinese folks and pay them literally in rice
After the unions formed, a middle class started emmerging in America. Business started paying good wages. Saftey standards started rising. Standard of living rose dramatically.
While TODAY'S unions help some lazy people keep their jobs, do you want the alternative?
Brazil has this thing I like to call a "unionized workforce".
TRUE Democracy and parity would NEVER occur without unions. That's why there is no parity here anymore, no unions!
Think about it before you flame me.
Gill--
:)
I can't imagine EDS surviving. With the number of people they have pissed off.
It's going to be a beautiful thing with the baby boomers retire from their high-ranking positions and hand the reigns over to us. We will certanly not talk to EDS. Well, except to make them waste $100,000 or so writing a proposal.
Good luck to you!!
Unigraphics was written by McDonell Douglass and purchased (pillaged) by EDS in the early-mid 1990s.
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As an EX-EDSer myself, I CHEERED when I saw this news yesterday. This is the start of the end of the relentless pursuit of the cheapest labor possible (Read: INDIA).
Dick Brown was a scourge of the IT industry. I hope his $55 million from last year and $38 million in severence serve him well while he's frying in hell for his deeds.
I'm glad I was able to leave EDS on my own accord, and I don't care WHO they put in there, I'd never work there again.
Visit this site:
http://www.edslawsuits.com
LOTS of hatred there.
Consider how bad it is to have a wife, house, etc and no job. It's a lot worse than not having a paid internship.
My suggestion is that you spend the summer reading. Maybe subscribe to the Wall Street Journal and learn something other than how to bang out code? Turn off the TV, put down the pipe, and READ.
If I was in your situation, I'd probably take a few classes in Chinese at your local community college to suppliment my learning. Can you imagine the responses a programmer would get if he put "speaks fluent Chinese" on his resume?
If you can't beat 'em join 'em!
To Dell's CIO:
Do you see planes landing where you are?
Are you standing next to a short guy named Tatu?
I only ask because, I think you're living on Fantasy Island.
UNIX is not dead. Windows is dead.
I a world without boundries or borders, who needs Windows and Gates?
You people bitch and moan about wanting cheap broadband, but when SBC comes in and says "we want to build a network without threats that you'll force us to subsidize the competition", everyone screams "MONOPOLY!!!"
The only way you'll ever get cheap broadband is if there is more than one way to get it. Cable is the ONLY way to get it in many areas. DSL would be the second way if legislators would just let the market take its course.
Soon, this will all be a moot point since wireless broadband will end the debate within 5 years.
So what can we do? I will avoid using the "U" word because the auto-modder will mod me as a Troll if I use it.
:(
I am actually in an MBA program (and I was in it BEFORE all the reports came out saying that MBAs are worthless/dime-a-dozen/etc). I am under no delusions that this will help get be a better paying job, I'm just hoping to become the guy that orders American programmers out the door and hires Indians to replace them.
H1B is the biggest red herring EVER. H1B is NOT the problem. It's the offshore outsourcing that is destroying our profession, not H1B. IEEE is incredibly stupid for suggesting that H1B is anything more than a distraction from the real problem.
BTW: What part of the country are you in? I am from the Midwest...
Money, of course, isn't A number 1 for me. However, stability IS A number 1. All that matters to me is that I get a steady income (I don't care if I never get a raise again).
There are far more out of work programmers than there are out of work attorneys. AND they are not forced to compete against people demanding $8k/year as salary. PLUS they have the American Bar ASsociation making sure that never happens!
What do WE have? The programmers guild!?!? Bhahahah!!!
Hell yeah, I'd love to be a beach bum. Have you ever visited Florida in the wintertime? Still nice weather!!!
Oh, we can't? Just like we can't have all the steel imported, we can't have all the textiles imported, and we can't have all the kid's toys imported?
India will ruin this industry that I have loved for so many years. Sure, I'd like to be a beach bum, too, but that doesn't pay very f-ing well, does it? Just because someone likes doing something for a "living" doesn't mean it can be done anymore.
I have a family to support, not just a dream of staying solvent. I want something I can support us on. IT was supposed to be that something, but thanks to our short-sighted government and a flood of nearly-free-as-in-beer programmers from another country, I can't have it.
All I'm asking is "what now"? You say there are far too many lawyers, I say there are far too many PROGRAMMERS. Do you know any out of work lawyers?
Unique skills like what? Forth? Python? TCL?
As soon as a unique skill becomes needed, India will just pump out another 50,000 paper tigers to take the 2,000 jobs available.
The American IT industry is doomed.
Was it an Analog or Digital that is being blamed for your friend's cancer?