Recording from the Wire coming out of the back of your stereo system, is not a perfect digital copy. That is what they are trying to stop.
When you rip a CD, you get a (near) perfect digital copy. When you record from the analog output, you get analog with all the extra little effects, artifacts and whatever that various layers of cd player, pre-amp, amp & recording equipment add into the mix.
When you rip a CD, you just have to deal with the little skips & jumps you always get off a CD, the rest of it is a perfect copy.
Exactly. You could pay MS a vast amount of money, and, if it decides that you won't be too much of a threat, it might let you use their Native API to create your own subsystem. Like that's going to happen.
Or you can code to their documented API (Win32) and use their GUI and front end.
If you actually read what I said, I said that some win32 API calls are actually wrappers around the NT Native API, I didn't say that they all are.
The difference here is openness. Anybody with a compiler can write a Win32 application. You try porting something like X to run as the native graphical front end (instead of an application on top of Win32). It just won't happen without a vast amount of reverse engineering & major hackery.
Yes, you can replace the Explorer shell, written to the Win32 API, but you can't replace the Win32 API, even though that is not the native NT API. NT does have a Posix subsytem built in, but you can't write your own, because they don't publish the API for it.
Am I getting my point across here?
My Point
Microsoft is forcing you to use their own Win32 Windowing system. You don't have a choice. You can't get it to load up with any other windowing system. Sure you can get shells that do a good job of pretending to be another system, and programs that bend the existing API to look like another system (Windowblinds), but you can't write your own window system to REPLACE win32.
In this time period, as the Web was exploding, why wasn't Microsoft justified in integrating Windows with its much-hyped OS?
No doubt I'm going to get jumped on for pointing out a logical error in this article, but this line made me think.
Why wasn't Microsoft procescuted for requiring Windows to run on top of it's OS. They don't give you a choice of Window manager. You only get one choice. Microsoft Win32. What happened to Desqview for NT? Why couldn't IBM port Presentation Manager to NT, along with the PM API? Because MS has used a secret API (the Native NT API) and only allowed people to use the Win32 Window Manager and it's API (which in Many cases is just a wrapper to the Native NT APIs.
Assembly language is NOT machine code, so it does need a compiler to turn it into Machine code. Thats what this is, its a compiler for assembly language.
Assembly language is pretty much a straight one for one conversion into machine code, but the assembler does do things like, convert labels into relative jumps. Things like that are a real pain when you are coding in straight Machine Code.
You obviously havn't checked Wine out lately. It runs 32bit apps better than 16bit apps in the majority of cases. I've even heard from somebody who has had IE5 running on it.
Wasn't the whole point of mp3's to listen to songs you don't have?
No. The whole point of MP3 isn't so you can listen to songs you don't have. The whole point of MP3 is to compress music. That's it. Nothing else. It seems that the point of this service is so that you can tell the server what CDs' you have, and then you can listen to them from anywhere in the world, without having to carry the CD around with you.
No I want more features instead, why would I want a small, compact usfull program, when I can have a wordprocessor with built in file system. How about "Now with embeded Linux kernel!" You could use your star office desktop as a virtual machine upon which to launch many other copies of other operating systems </SARCASM> I've got a feeling that the developers will want to add more features to compete with MS office, rather than reduce the code size. People need to change their focus from features to solid code. Thats what Linux has got a good balance of. Maybe open source (proper open source, not the SCSL) would help, maybe it wouldn't. I'm sure that star office is more complicated than Mozila. I think that open source would help, evenutally, maybe they could just release the source code now, and then carry on developing their version. Why not? I bet they want to concentrate on the star portloo anyway, so why not do that.
Yes, but he already said that they are getting more email than they can handle.
More testers = more feedback, so they spend more time looking at bug reports and less time coding.
Thats the whole idea of a Beta test. Once they have got it stable enough to be used by everybody, they release the Beta. Then they gather info about the hard to find bugs, and squash them.
I know it's difficult to understand, coming from an open source background. Closed source development is very different to open source:) With open source everybody gets to hack at the code, send in patches whatever. With closed source, the bugs are harder to pin down, because the people who can don't have the source code. This makes release cycles longer, and the code quality lower. Not that I'm dissing the Opera guys. I've used their browser on Windows, and I think it's very good, but it is closed source, so I doubt I'll use it on Linux. I actually voted for them to make a Linux version, and I said that I would pay for it. Back then I would have, but that was a long time ago, and a lot had happened. Now I won't use it, because there are many good open source alternatives available.
typing tar filename.tar.gz isn't going to do anything but give you a bunch of error messages.
You don't need to go and have a snack while you are compiling your kernel. Linux is a multitasking operating system. You can do something else while the kernel compile is going on. Why do you have to shut everything down first. Fine, if you're really really low on memory, getting out of star office and X will speed up your kernel compile, but if you've got enough memory (64MB) then it won't make that much difference.
The article is actually refering to the MS Office version that is supposed to be "Internet Distributed" like the plans Sun has for Star Office. Sounds like typical MS Vapourware to me, I wouldn't fancy downloading the 5 MB Word EXE file (not to mention all the accociated DLLS) just to type up a letter. Even Corel Office for Java (I've still got the beta lying around somewhere) was smaller than the whole word exe file. I wouldn't fancy downloading it on demand.
It's only a violation if your download the rom, and then request to see the source, and they don't let you.
They only have to give out the source code to anybody who asks for it. Using the GPL dosn't meen that you have to give your source code to anybody who asks. Using the GPL meens you have to give the source code to anybody who requests it who you have supplied your product to. You can't stop the people who have got the source code off you distributing it in any way they want (within the terms of the GPL)
Besides, it sounds like the Porting the Kernel is a small part of what they have done. The other modules of their product sound like they have nothing to do with the Linux kernel.
Hey, guess what. You're 4 months out of High School, and you got lucky enough to find a good job. I bet it dosn't pay that well. What about when you start getting taken for granted, you don't want to push the management too much because you don't want to rock the boat and you've got a family to feed. You are inexperienced, wait until you have spent 4 years in the business, and then come back and read this post, you will laugh at yourself.
If you're given more responsibilty, ask for more pay. What if they say no? Go and find another "Dream" job?
If you have to work longer, ask for more time off. Again, what if they say no?
This is not a flame. Just me ranting. I've been working in the IT industry longer than you have, believe me, it won't be long before your dream job starts turning into a nightmare. I hope it dosn't happen, I really do, but I would be supprised if it didn't.
When did they claim to have invented this technique? If it's after 1989 then they will be in trouble. The popular DOS language Clipper had a command in the language to enable this date window. A simple SET EPOCH TO 1980 would mean that any date entered as 01/01/80 would be seen as 01 Jan 1980, and 01/01/79 would be seen as 01 Jan 2079. You can change this to any date window you desire. Are they going to go after every Clipper programmer who has used that command in their program. Do we all now owe this company money? What about the free software project Harbour who are creating an open source, cross-platform Clipper compiler. Can the participants be sued for including the command in their compiler?
The US Patent system is a Joke. Software patents should not be allowed. I'm glad I don't live in the "Land of the free"
Yes, I'm sure that people sitting at a computer checking the Public list of items for sale at ebay and other Aution sites are going to read your email.
Since when does a company searching ebay for "Stock for sale" or "Company for sale" read your email.
This also happens to my Win98 system at home, which just happens to have a Banshee. Anybody see a theme occuring here. I don't find it very suprising that a bug in a Kernel level driver can take down the OS. A buggy linux Kernel driver can take down the whole OS as well, it just happens a lot less.
I think this whole idea is really really good. It's definatly the best thing to happen to Slashdot. I like slashdot, but I used to hardly ever read the comments. Picking out the interesting, well thought out comments from the "You suck" comments was starting to get really boring. Now we have the slashdot posters moderating themselves. People who have posted interesting and well thought out comments get to become moderators. The moderators raise the score on other well thought out comments. This not only raises the S/N ratio, but encourages people who just couldn't be bothered, people who just couldn't be doing with getting flamed, people who were intimidated by the loud mouthed nay sayers. Those people can just bump up their comment threshold and post away. Bit of a shame to stick the "Open source" in the title, but it's the sort of community action that makes Linux and other open source projects tick. The comunity at large overseeing itself.
Good work Rob (and all those un-named moderators) keep up the good ideas.
Looks like they've been reading David Brin. Some of his short stories, and some of his novels talk about using discarded space shuttle parts (as well as using whole discarded space ships) as material to build a space station.
Yeah, lets all use Red Hat because it's the biggest. If everybody had that sort of attitude, Linux wouldn't be the OS it is today, everybody who used a PC would be using Windows.
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A cut and paste of an article from another site, apart from violating their copyright, is not insightful, it's karma whoring.
I've got a little over 400 hours of snuff I've downloaded off of usenet
http://www.tivo.com/linux/index.html gives you the source code for their modifications to the Kernel. No violation there.
Recording from the Wire coming out of the back of your stereo system, is not a perfect digital copy. That is what they are trying to stop.
When you rip a CD, you get a (near) perfect digital copy. When you record from the analog output, you get analog with all the extra little effects, artifacts and whatever that various layers of cd player, pre-amp, amp & recording equipment add into the mix.
When you rip a CD, you just have to deal with the little skips & jumps you always get off a CD, the rest of it is a perfect copy.
Exactly. You could pay MS a vast amount of money, and, if it decides that you won't be too much of a threat, it might let you use their Native API to create your own subsystem. Like that's going to happen.
Or you can code to their documented API (Win32) and use their GUI and front end.
If you actually read what I said, I said that some win32 API calls are actually wrappers around the NT Native API, I didn't say that they all are.
The difference here is openness. Anybody with a compiler can write a Win32 application. You try porting something like X to run as the native graphical front end (instead of an application on top of Win32). It just won't happen without a vast amount of reverse engineering & major hackery.
Yes, you can replace the Explorer shell, written to the Win32 API, but you can't replace the Win32 API, even though that is not the native NT API. NT does have a Posix subsytem built in, but you can't write your own, because they don't publish the API for it.
Am I getting my point across here?
My Point
Microsoft is forcing you to use their own Win32 Windowing system. You don't have a choice. You can't get it to load up with any other windowing system. Sure you can get shells that do a good job of pretending to be another system, and programs that bend the existing API to look like another system (Windowblinds), but you can't write your own window system to REPLACE win32.
In this time period, as the Web was exploding, why wasn't Microsoft justified in integrating Windows with its much-hyped OS?
:)
No doubt I'm going to get jumped on for pointing out a logical error in this article, but this line made me think.
Why wasn't Microsoft procescuted for requiring Windows to run on top of it's OS. They don't give you a choice of Window manager. You only get one choice. Microsoft Win32. What happened to Desqview for NT? Why couldn't IBM port Presentation Manager to NT, along with the PM API? Because MS has used a secret API (the Native NT API) and only allowed people to use the Win32 Window Manager and it's API (which in Many cases is just a wrapper to the Native NT APIs.
We should sue
In your dreams (:
Assembly language is NOT machine code, so it does need a compiler to turn it into Machine code. Thats what this is, its a compiler for assembly language.
Assembly language is pretty much a straight one for one conversion into machine code, but the assembler does do things like, convert labels into relative jumps. Things like that are a real pain when you are coding in straight Machine Code.
You obviously havn't checked Wine out lately. It runs 32bit apps better than 16bit apps in the majority of cases. I've even heard from somebody who has had IE5 running on it.
Wasn't the whole point of mp3's to listen to songs you don't have?
No. The whole point of MP3 isn't so you can listen to songs you don't have. The whole point of MP3 is to compress music. That's it. Nothing else.
It seems that the point of this service is so that you can tell the server what CDs' you have, and then you can listen to them from anywhere in the world, without having to carry the CD around with you.
Looks like it, the fron screen isn't refreshing anyway.
No I want more features instead, why would I want a small, compact usfull program, when I can have a wordprocessor with built in file system. How about "Now with embeded Linux kernel!" You could use your star office desktop as a virtual machine upon which to launch many other copies of other operating systems
</SARCASM>
I've got a feeling that the developers will want to add more features to compete with MS office, rather than reduce the code size.
People need to change their focus from features to solid code. Thats what Linux has got a good balance of. Maybe open source (proper open source, not the SCSL) would help, maybe it wouldn't. I'm sure that star office is more complicated than Mozila.
I think that open source would help, evenutally, maybe they could just release the source code now, and then carry on developing their version. Why not? I bet they want to concentrate on the star portloo anyway, so why not do that.
Yes, but he already said that they are getting more email than they can handle.
:) With open source everybody gets to hack at the code, send in patches whatever. With closed source, the bugs are harder to pin down, because the people who can don't have the source code. This makes release cycles longer, and the code quality lower. Not that I'm dissing the Opera guys. I've used their browser on Windows, and I think it's very good, but it is closed source, so I doubt I'll use it on Linux.
More testers = more feedback, so they spend more time looking at bug reports and less time coding.
Thats the whole idea of a Beta test. Once they have got it stable enough to be used by everybody, they release the Beta. Then they gather info about the hard to find bugs, and squash them.
I know it's difficult to understand, coming from an open source background. Closed source development is very different to open source
I actually voted for them to make a Linux version, and I said that I would pay for it. Back then I would have, but that was a long time ago, and a lot had happened. Now I won't use it, because there are many good open source alternatives available.
I noticed some errors in the article.
typing tar filename.tar.gz isn't going to do anything but give you a bunch of error messages.
You don't need to go and have a snack while you are compiling your kernel. Linux is a multitasking operating system. You can do something else while the kernel compile is going on. Why do you have to shut everything down first. Fine, if you're really really low on memory, getting out of star office and X will speed up your kernel compile, but if you've got enough memory (64MB) then it won't make that much difference.
The article is actually refering to the MS Office version that is supposed to be "Internet Distributed" like the plans Sun has for Star Office. Sounds like typical MS Vapourware to me, I wouldn't fancy downloading the 5 MB Word EXE file (not to mention all the accociated DLLS) just to type up a letter.
Even Corel Office for Java (I've still got the beta lying around somewhere) was smaller than the whole word exe file. I wouldn't fancy downloading it on demand.
It's only a violation if your download the rom, and then request to see the source, and they don't let you.
They only have to give out the source code to anybody who asks for it. Using the GPL dosn't meen that you have to give your source code to anybody who asks. Using the GPL meens you have to give the source code to anybody who requests it who you have supplied your product to.
You can't stop the people who have got the source code off you distributing it in any way they want (within the terms of the GPL)
Besides, it sounds like the Porting the Kernel is a small part of what they have done. The other modules of their product sound like they have nothing to do with the Linux kernel.
You are inexperienced, wait until you have spent 4 years in the business, and then come back and read this post, you will laugh at yourself.
This is not a flame. Just me ranting. I've been working in the IT industry longer than you have, believe me, it won't be long before your dream job starts turning into a nightmare. I hope it dosn't happen, I really do, but I would be supprised if it didn't.
When did they claim to have invented this technique? If it's after 1989 then they will be in trouble. The popular DOS language Clipper had a command in the language to enable this date window. A simple SET EPOCH TO 1980 would mean that any date entered as 01/01/80 would be seen as 01 Jan 1980, and 01/01/79 would be seen as 01 Jan 2079. You can change this to any date window you desire. Are they going to go after every Clipper programmer who has used that command in their program. Do we all now owe this company money?
What about the free software project Harbour who are creating an open source, cross-platform Clipper compiler. Can the participants be sued for including the command in their compiler?
The US Patent system is a Joke. Software patents should not be allowed. I'm glad I don't live in the "Land of the free"
Yes, I'm sure that people sitting at a computer checking the Public list of items for sale at ebay and other Aution sites are going to read your email.
Since when does a company searching ebay for "Stock for sale" or "Company for sale" read your email.
Not all surveillance is underhand.
The Linux Emporium has got stock of 3.2, although I don't think it is a big mover.
This also happens to my Win98 system at home, which just happens to have a Banshee. Anybody see a theme occuring here.
I don't find it very suprising that a bug in a Kernel level driver can take down the OS. A buggy linux Kernel driver can take down the whole OS as well, it just happens a lot less.
I think this whole idea is really really good. It's definatly the best thing to happen to Slashdot. I like slashdot, but I used to hardly ever read the comments. Picking out the interesting, well thought out comments from the "You suck" comments was starting to get really boring.
Now we have the slashdot posters moderating themselves. People who have posted interesting and well thought out comments get to become moderators. The moderators raise the score on other well thought out comments. This not only raises the S/N ratio, but encourages people who just couldn't be bothered, people who just couldn't be doing with getting flamed, people who were intimidated by the loud mouthed nay sayers. Those people can just bump up their comment threshold and post away.
Bit of a shame to stick the "Open source" in the title, but it's the sort of community action that makes Linux and other open source projects tick. The comunity at large overseeing itself.
Good work Rob (and all those un-named moderators) keep up the good ideas.
You'd have thought after the number of rants posted on /. about the mix up between hacker and cracker, /. it's self would be able to get it right.
Looks like they've been reading David Brin. Some of his short stories, and some of his novels talk about using discarded space shuttle parts (as well as using whole discarded space ships) as material to build a space station.
Yeah, lets all use Red Hat because it's the biggest. If everybody had that sort of attitude, Linux wouldn't be the OS it is today, everybody who used a PC would be using Windows.