Soooo... if instead, say, you had the "Rocky the Dog" assistant loaded, would you have proceeded to go around the neighborhood and start kicking random dogs?
Editor comments -always- appear as non-italicized text.
Not necessarily. In BackSlash (the script that lets you edit the posts) it's just raw HTML, with <i> tags around what was loaded by default. But you are free to change whatever you want.
I suppose we are to trust that particular editor's credibility, but hey, look who posted this article. I'm telling you it made me think twice.
Sure, we could say that, but if they exploit never went public, would the Apache group have sat around with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing? IOW, I think that if it never went public, we certainly wouldn't have seen a patch today. I mean, Apache has known about this for months --- another developer secretly exploited it for the Apache folks. I think sometimes you need the extra kick in the behind to get those patches out. I'm 100% convinced that if that exploit didn't go public yesterday, we wouldn't have a patch today. Yet in all that time, hackers could have been exploiting all those Apache servers on the net... which according to Netcraft is the most popular Internet web server.
Strangely enough, I think we can all safely tell the zealots now to go fuck themselves when they cite "security by obscurity" against Microsoft, as it seems like it's an epidemic in the Open Source community as well. Only reason Microsoft patches take a lot longer to go public is that since they're not a loose band of hackers like most open source projects, they can't just go out and release a patch---it has to be subject to all sorts of corporate hoopla, like quality testing and that sort. They need to be absolutely sure it doesn't do something like turn your box into liquid shit... they could get SUED big time. If an open source project released a bum patch, who/what is there to go after if something messes up? Nobody. That's where the fundamental difference lies... with open source, there is no organization to go after.
I'm sure they're out there, but I don't personally know anyone who codes much client-side Java anymore, and I'm guessing it's for this reason.
Oracle does. It sucks. Big time. Java may be portable and all, but it is mad slow.
Also, on another note, Oracle ships with a JVM (Sun's I think) so there's that problem soved.
Maybe what should be done is everyone tell Sun to "fuck off." An open-sourced version of Java should be written, with, you guessed it, Microsoft providing help with it. They can include it into Windows, and tadah, peace and harmony all around, except of course, Sun, who gets raped in the ass.
And let me clarify that the reason it's a rather old version of the JVM is because MS signed an agreement with Sun saying that they wouldn't release a newer JVM.
Oh, let's turn the tables here and say MS was trying to hurt Sun, huh? Well I'm not saying they didn't, but the real reason that the JVM wasn't included with XP is because of licensing issues with Sun. That's also why it's an outdated version... yet people are still laying the smackdown on MS. It royally pisses me off that Sun is acting pissed off now that MS did this... I mean, who would waste their time going searching Sun's site to download their JVM? Here is the real story:
Microsoft: No Java support in Windows XP CNET,
SEATTLE--Microsoft will not include the software needed to run programs written in the Java programming language in its new Windows XP operating system, the software giant said Tuesday.
Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said the company decided not to include support for the language so it wouldn't violate a legal settlement agreement.
Java maker Sun Microsystems in January settled a lawsuit it brought against Microsoft three years ago in the U.S. District Court in San Jose, charging Redmond-based Microsoft with infringing a licensing agreement to use Java.
Java, introduced by Sun in 1995, lets developers write a software application that can run on a variety of computers, regardless of the underlying operating system. The language is widely used on Web sites and Sun had hoped to make Java a universal programming language.
Sun alleged that Microsoft violated the terms of an agreement signed in 1996 by creating a Windows-only version of Java that was incompatible with other software. Sun also claimed copyright infringement, but a judge later dismissed that part of the claim.
Under an agreement, Microsoft agreed to no longer license from Sun any current or new versions of Java, but it would have been allowed to distribute products carrying outdated versions of the Java technology for seven years.
Microsoft also had to pay Sun $20 million, and was barred from using Sun's "Java Compatible" trademark.
"In the wake of the settlement agreement with Sun and the resolution of that litigation, this approach simplifies our implementation and adherence of that agreement," Pilla said.
In light of the settlement agreement, which gave Microsoft just seven years to phase out Java, he said the decision should come as no surprise. "The reality is that (Java) represents a lot of code that the vast majority of users don't need," Pilla said.
A Sun spokeswoman could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.
Pilla denied that the move was aimed at phasing out support for Java in Microsoft applications. He said Windows XP users will be able to easily download Java off a Microsoft update site if they come across a software application running on Java.
The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia also addressed Microsoft's use of Java in its ruling last month that unanimously reversed the breakup of Microsoft.
The court overturned the court-ordered breakup of Microsoft, but upheld the trial judge's finding that the software giant violated antitrust laws by muscling hardware and software companies into giving its operating systems preferential treatment.
In its ruling, the court said making an incompatible version of Java was not illegal, but said Microsoft's agreements with software vendors to use only the Microsoft-compatible Java version was illegal.
Microsoft, meanwhile, has recently begun developing a set of Internet services, called.Net, based on Extensible Markup Language (XML). The.Net strategy calls for selling a series of paid services over the Internet that users can access on any computer device. This could range from booking plane flights to buying concert tickets.
There. Let's set the record straight. This is all Sun's fault... yet they are trying to offload the blame. It's one evil fighting a worse evil... you don't know who to root for, really.
Huh? It was my understanding the reason WinXP didn't ship with Java is cause Sun complained! Sun wanted people to go out and download their own JVM, that's why. Well, knowing Windows users, that never happened for 95% of the userbase, so now they're putting it back in and everyone is like "it's Microsoft't fault." Well, if it wasn't for Sun bitching, this never would have happened.
"News for Nerds" to "News for ultra-leftist pinko commie bastards?"
Oh wait, it's a michael article.
Seriously, what's with the paranoia? Why should we give up national security to please the leftists? Honestly, this isn't red-fucking-China... it's not that the government will be spying on you, Joe Blow, with his wife and little daughter. They're after the bad guys, the guys who deserve having their phone tapped.
I am so god-damned sick of liberals siding with the bad guys! I know this is the United States, home of oodles of personal freedoms, but it shouldn't be known as "the United States --- you know, the place where you can conduct criminal and terrorist activities without worry that anyone will try and catch you."
Here is a prime example of the crowd you might meet there:
Graham Age:14 Interests: Gaming,./, Linux (newbie), learning Perl
Just browse some of the cities and you will see. I worry for some of these younger kids... get them in a room with JonKatz-types and who knows what'll transpire...
Yeah, and notice they never posted a story about the recent exploit in BIND 9 (which shipped in most recent Linux distros) which allows you to shut down the server. But any little Windows bug, well, it's always front page material. Funny for a site whose "supposed" major audience is Lunix lusers.
A simple WHOIS shows that it's registered to some Belgian dude. Why should we think anything on there is even credible (I mean did you even read it???)
Although whining will get you nowhere, I have to agree that "Overrated" is a pussy mod -- as it is immune from MetaModeration. I think it should be done away from the system completely, but CmdrTaco mandates that "abuse of the Over/Underrated mods is actually not as much as people think it is." Although why intentionally you would create a hole in the system that could very easily be abused is beyond me.
This not to say some bad driver vendors don't write printer/scanner/HID drivers that run in kernalspace.
Hence the message window with the giant yellow exclamation point that basically says:
"This driver is not certified, so we're not responsible if this fucks up your system, if it catches fire, screws your wife, and kidnaps your children... etc, etc. Click STOP to halt driver installation, or click OK to continue."
(If we use the logic of RMS, would Darwin be more accurately called FreeBSD/Mach--or for MacOSX, OpenStep-FreeBSD/Mach?)
Wouldn't it just be GNU/MacOSX?
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The original MacOS had it made. It was just like DOS -- everything in their own directory; yet, it was an advanced GUI. Want to uninstall Netscape? Drag Netscape folder to Trash. Done. Want to uninstall Photoshop? Drag Adobe Photoshop folder to Trash. If you want to get rid of the Adobe font extensions, go to System Folder, Extensions, drag them to trash. Done.
The parent poster asked for "a smart.tar.bz2 package" that could detect the platform. Ever get one of those "This application is not designed to run on your Macintosh." message boxes?
MacOS Classic was eons ahead of the world and no one realized it and buried it into the ground.
They need to take a lesson from Windows XP. Write a daemon that keeps an eye on the libraries for consistency (like system file protection). Also, you could have a script or binary that acts as an "uninstaller." You know, people here dog on Windows too much. They always say how crappy the registry is and "who needs \Program Files" and that "loading text files into vi is so much easier" but what they don't realize is how organized Windows is. About 90% of the time you can simply find its folder under program files, find it's registry key under HKLM and HKCU, delete those and you're done. All the uninstaller really takes care of is the libraries in System32. That's why Linux needs a) more organization and b) more scripted installation/uninstallation.
Now, wait a second. If RMS thinks that the OS is really GNU and not Linux, realize that GNU was designed to be like old-skool unix... i.e., all the files strewn within/bin and/sbin and/usr/bin and/usr/local/bin and/opt..... you get the point:). What this means is that Linux, by taking a step like this, can actually further itself against the Unixes by being the more organized, and yet easier to use of the bunch. It also means that Linux should be called Linux... as it's departure from the original "OS" that RMS envisioned. The reason I put OS in quotes is that I think the idea of "GNU/OS" is a bunch of baloney. I think the project was orignially formulated to write some utilities. You can't have an OS without a kernel. Look at HURD. It's nowhere near completion. How do you start writing an OS and leave the kernel for last?!? IMHO, Linux is Linux, and it could really be furthered with some innovative changes. Remember, going in the direction of WinNT in usability is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Just my $0.02 USD.
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You should go into SourceForge and look up Slashcode, and file a bug report saying that the "integrated spell checker" doesn't work.
Soooo... if instead, say, you had the "Rocky the Dog" assistant loaded, would you have proceeded to go around the neighborhood and start kicking random dogs?
Editor comments -always- appear as non-italicized text.
Not necessarily. In BackSlash (the script that lets you edit the posts) it's just raw HTML, with <i> tags around what was loaded by default. But you are free to change whatever you want.
I suppose we are to trust that particular editor's credibility, but hey, look who posted this article. I'm telling you it made me think twice.
Ok, so a root exploit is bad, but a plain 'ol DOS on 32-bit UNIX/Linux is just fine. I see how that works.
That seems a little self-defeating. Why not just hack into thatchicksite.com?
Sure, we could say that, but if they exploit never went public, would the Apache group have sat around with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing? IOW, I think that if it never went public, we certainly wouldn't have seen a patch today. I mean, Apache has known about this for months --- another developer secretly exploited it for the Apache folks. I think sometimes you need the extra kick in the behind to get those patches out. I'm 100% convinced that if that exploit didn't go public yesterday, we wouldn't have a patch today. Yet in all that time, hackers could have been exploiting all those Apache servers on the net... which according to Netcraft is the most popular Internet web server.
Strangely enough, I think we can all safely tell the zealots now to go fuck themselves when they cite "security by obscurity" against Microsoft, as it seems like it's an epidemic in the Open Source community as well. Only reason Microsoft patches take a lot longer to go public is that since they're not a loose band of hackers like most open source projects, they can't just go out and release a patch---it has to be subject to all sorts of corporate hoopla, like quality testing and that sort. They need to be absolutely sure it doesn't do something like turn your box into liquid shit... they could get SUED big time. If an open source project released a bum patch, who/what is there to go after if something messes up? Nobody. That's where the fundamental difference lies... with open source, there is no organization to go after.
I'm sure they're out there, but I don't personally know anyone who codes much client-side Java anymore, and I'm guessing it's for this reason.
Oracle does. It sucks. Big time. Java may be portable and all, but it is mad slow.
Also, on another note, Oracle ships with a JVM (Sun's I think) so there's that problem soved.
Maybe what should be done is everyone tell Sun to "fuck off." An open-sourced version of Java should be written, with, you guessed it, Microsoft providing help with it. They can include it into Windows, and tadah, peace and harmony all around, except of course, Sun, who gets raped in the ass.
And let me clarify that the reason it's a rather old version of the JVM is because MS signed an agreement with Sun saying that they wouldn't release a newer JVM.
Oh, let's turn the tables here and say MS was trying to hurt Sun, huh? Well I'm not saying they didn't, but the real reason that the JVM wasn't included with XP is because of licensing issues with Sun. That's also why it's an outdated version... yet people are still laying the smackdown on MS. It royally pisses me off that Sun is acting pissed off now that MS did this... I mean, who would waste their time going searching Sun's site to download their JVM? Here is the real story:
.Net, based on Extensible Markup Language (XML). The .Net strategy calls for selling a series of paid services over the Internet that users can access on any computer device. This could range from booking plane flights to buying concert tickets.
Microsoft: No Java support in Windows XP
CNET,
SEATTLE--Microsoft will not include the software needed to run programs written in the Java programming language in its new Windows XP operating system, the software giant said Tuesday.
Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said the company decided not to include support for the language so it wouldn't violate a legal settlement agreement.
Java maker Sun Microsystems in January settled a lawsuit it brought against Microsoft three years ago in the U.S. District Court in San Jose, charging Redmond-based Microsoft with infringing a licensing agreement to use Java.
Java, introduced by Sun in 1995, lets developers write a software application that can run on a variety of computers, regardless of the underlying operating system. The language is widely used on Web sites and Sun had hoped to make Java a universal programming language.
Sun alleged that Microsoft violated the terms of an agreement signed in 1996 by creating a Windows-only version of Java that was incompatible with other software. Sun also claimed copyright infringement, but a judge later dismissed that part of the claim.
Under an agreement, Microsoft agreed to no longer license from Sun any current or new versions of Java, but it would have been allowed to distribute products carrying outdated versions of the Java technology for seven years.
Microsoft also had to pay Sun $20 million, and was barred from using Sun's "Java Compatible" trademark.
"In the wake of the settlement agreement with Sun and the resolution of that litigation, this approach simplifies our implementation and adherence of that agreement," Pilla said.
In light of the settlement agreement, which gave Microsoft just seven years to phase out Java, he said the decision should come as no surprise. "The reality is that (Java) represents a lot of code that the vast majority of users don't need," Pilla said.
A Sun spokeswoman could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.
Pilla denied that the move was aimed at phasing out support for Java in Microsoft applications. He said Windows XP users will be able to easily download Java off a Microsoft update site if they come across a software application running on Java.
The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia also addressed Microsoft's use of Java in its ruling last month that unanimously reversed the breakup of Microsoft.
The court overturned the court-ordered breakup of Microsoft, but upheld the trial judge's finding that the software giant violated antitrust laws by muscling hardware and software companies into giving its operating systems preferential treatment.
In its ruling, the court said making an incompatible version of Java was not illegal, but said Microsoft's agreements with software vendors to use only the Microsoft-compatible Java version was illegal.
Microsoft, meanwhile, has recently begun developing a set of Internet services, called
There. Let's set the record straight. This is all Sun's fault... yet they are trying to offload the blame. It's one evil fighting a worse evil... you don't know who to root for, really.
Huh? It was my understanding the reason WinXP didn't ship with Java is cause Sun complained! Sun wanted people to go out and download their own JVM, that's why. Well, knowing Windows users, that never happened for 95% of the userbase, so now they're putting it back in and everyone is like "it's Microsoft't fault." Well, if it wasn't for Sun bitching, this never would have happened.
"News for Nerds" to "News for ultra-leftist pinko commie bastards?"
Oh wait, it's a michael article.
Seriously, what's with the paranoia? Why should we give up national security to please the leftists? Honestly, this isn't red-fucking-China... it's not that the government will be spying on you, Joe Blow, with his wife and little daughter. They're after the bad guys, the guys who deserve having their phone tapped.
I am so god-damned sick of liberals siding with the bad guys! I know this is the United States, home of oodles of personal freedoms, but it shouldn't be known as "the United States --- you know, the place where you can conduct criminal and terrorist activities without worry that anyone will try and catch you."
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Here is a prime example of the crowd you might meet there:
./, Linux (newbie), learning Perl
Graham
Age:14 Interests: Gaming,
Just browse some of the cities and you will see. I worry for some of these younger kids... get them in a room with JonKatz-types and who knows what'll transpire...
I wish...
You're a fucking idiot. It's not fixed yet.
If anything, this hole just serves (ha!) as a reminder of how superior Apache and open source are in general. Only a fool would use anything else.
I guess that fool is me. Been an IIS user for years. Never r00ted. Not once.
It's called "good system administration."
Hahah, classic Ralph Wiggum quote right there...
Yeah, and notice they never posted a story about the recent exploit in BIND 9 (which shipped in most recent Linux distros) which allows you to shut down the server. But any little Windows bug, well, it's always front page material. Funny for a site whose "supposed" major audience is Lunix lusers.
A simple WHOIS shows that it's registered to some Belgian dude. Why should we think anything on there is even credible (I mean did you even read it???)
Although whining will get you nowhere, I have to agree that "Overrated" is a pussy mod -- as it is immune from MetaModeration. I think it should be done away from the system completely, but CmdrTaco mandates that "abuse of the Over/Underrated mods is actually not as much as people think it is." Although why intentionally you would create a hole in the system that could very easily be abused is beyond me.
Please, go fuck your mother. Karma means nothing, jackass. If you weren't living in your parents' basement you might realize that.
This not to say some bad driver vendors don't write printer/scanner/HID drivers that run in kernalspace.
Hence the message window with the giant yellow exclamation point that basically says:
"This driver is not certified, so we're not responsible if this fucks up your system, if it catches fire, screws your wife, and kidnaps your children... etc, etc. Click STOP to halt driver installation, or click OK to continue."
(If we use the logic of RMS, would Darwin be more accurately called FreeBSD/Mach--or for MacOSX, OpenStep-FreeBSD/Mach?)
Wouldn't it just be GNU/MacOSX?
The original MacOS had it made. It was just like DOS -- everything in their own directory; yet, it was an advanced GUI. Want to uninstall Netscape? Drag Netscape folder to Trash. Done. Want to uninstall Photoshop? Drag Adobe Photoshop folder to Trash. If you want to get rid of the Adobe font extensions, go to System Folder, Extensions, drag them to trash. Done.
.tar.bz2 package" that could detect the platform. Ever get one of those "This application is not designed to run on your Macintosh." message boxes?
The parent poster asked for "a smart
MacOS Classic was eons ahead of the world and no one realized it and buried it into the ground.
They need to take a lesson from Windows XP. Write a daemon that keeps an eye on the libraries for consistency (like system file protection). Also, you could have a script or binary that acts as an "uninstaller." You know, people here dog on Windows too much. They always say how crappy the registry is and "who needs \Program Files" and that "loading text files into vi is so much easier" but what they don't realize is how organized Windows is. About 90% of the time you can simply find its folder under program files, find it's registry key under HKLM and HKCU, delete those and you're done. All the uninstaller really takes care of is the libraries in System32. That's why Linux needs a) more organization and b) more scripted installation/uninstallation.
/bin and /sbin and /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin and /opt..... you get the point :). What this means is that Linux, by taking a step like this, can actually further itself against the Unixes by being the more organized, and yet easier to use of the bunch. It also means that Linux should be called Linux... as it's departure from the original "OS" that RMS envisioned. The reason I put OS in quotes is that I think the idea of "GNU/OS" is a bunch of baloney. I think the project was orignially formulated to write some utilities. You can't have an OS without a kernel. Look at HURD. It's nowhere near completion. How do you start writing an OS and leave the kernel for last?!? IMHO, Linux is Linux, and it could really be furthered with some innovative changes. Remember, going in the direction of WinNT in usability is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Just my $0.02 USD.
Now, wait a second. If RMS thinks that the OS is really GNU and not Linux, realize that GNU was designed to be like old-skool unix... i.e., all the files strewn within
But the only thing you'll ever do is jack off to her picture. I would say that masturbation is pretty much the same thing as trolling.
I guess you've never masturbated to a picture of a Cray SX-6 before.