How many clusters in the top500 are built using a central storage node and thin compute node model ? Most, if not the vast majority. Thumpers are a shit server for this space because in a 4U system the compute density is crap, power usage is crap and storage is easier to scale (GFS, GPFS, SOFS etc etc).
You go ahead believing that model works, you have a handful of customers who could even feasibly operate in that range, and not many outside the US gov't even bother.
When factoring in the top500, look past the top 25 on that list. There are a crap load of blade and 1/2U clusters. Getting lower down the list that percentage increases greatly. Because the largest cost of operating a large cluster is not hardware, its maintenance and facilities.
I know people who have been involved with rolling out a good number of those setups, I've seen 3 of the top 40 in person (and could go see #4 at my leisure). I used to work exclusively in that space. I am not kidding when I tell you that the vast majority of hpc environments on or off of the list are using shitty commodity (x3450 or pe1950 or lower) hardware.
I have one of the z-series boxes at the office, and I've in the past had sun E-series boxes.
Solaris on E series all the way. Linux just lacks the big iron feature set, the more complex task management set. The more complicated workload the more it falls down and cant get out of its own way.
Ah yes, but a kernel compile is not a viable test set. Though it is a neat observation. There was (is?) some oddity regarding the way Linux calculates load average with regards to I/O bound process's vs the way other nix's (incl solaris) do.
Try getting a Linux box thats doing application or DB transactions into a unhappy place (bad code, bad queries what have you) and see what happens.
My list of linux gripes is long, the core hit list: shitty nfs support on the client side. (3 is bad, 4 is worse) SAN. Try it sometime, it'll make you cry. In 2008 your cating and echoing things into/proc to setup SAN attached storage. Networking. It was half assed before, now with things like network manager is getting worse. The way it handles bonding config is silly and why for the love of god does redhat load ipv6 by default when it breaks shit and nobody uses it ? in-flight process control. ulimit is nice, limits.conf is nice, now how do I give that oracle DB/apache instance more file descriptors while its already running ? (the 2.6.24 scheduler stuff solves the other problem - user priority)
I can go on and on. For a desktop or laptop linux is great, for low end servers in bulk linux is good. Start getting into more complex 'non-wintel' market space and application needs and it gets less and less attractive. (not even touching on things like zones, zfs, dtrace, key management etc)
As a random observation Linux also is suffering from incomplete project creep where lots of things are 'good enough' but not many are 'awesome'. I'm also a bit upset about most distro's starting crap like avahi and hald. Give me a 'server' check box. I dont want or need that crap (or any of the other crap like bluetooth - wtf ?). Yes its easy to fix, but why is this the default ? Is Linux trying to be Windows now ?
That works when there is a utopian zen type balance.
That doesnt exist. They have the guns, money and data needed to control everything. Try building a private army to resist and see what happens.
We were given these rights, and people sacrificed more than you know defending these rights. Now we are flushing it all away for security (not a new concept) god (ditto) and 'protecting' the kids/grandma/your sister. (that one is kinda new).
In the good old days (retarded statement) there would have been bloodshed over something like this, and that is where balance would have been achieved. Revolutions are not fought and won in a voting booth.
Right, and they should control speech as well. Its kinda out of control. Ditto print, TV, Radio, smoke signals... and thought. Dont forget about controlling thought.
When the fuck did the people in this country (the world) just cash it in and end up a bunch of whiny pussies.
"oh the big bad internet, please mister senator protect me"
and what makes you think bad people are being caught at a higher rate because these cameras are in place ? optimistic much ?
More than likely there is a flat number of tickets and arrests over the prolonged period, because what will happen is once they get 'buy in' after the big surge up front they will cut costs on the back end by laying people off.
I've never seen anything on Linux that touches dtrace.
For the sake of IP networking the multipathing in question is largely known in linux has bonding, and its ugly. Half the modes only work in idealistic circumstances.
and for the record, vmware is not a linux solution, its an additional product, which has a cost attached to it.
I know how to do all the stuff mentioned in Linux, but for real installs with real requirements Solaris 'just works' and Linux requires a lot more effort. Where a rookie user or a small install is typically the exact opposite. (linux is easy, solaris is hard)
I love the SAN song and dance on Linux. Pissing into the wind effort if ever there was one.
KVM might someday compete with zones, but really they are worlds better for most uses than either Xen or Vmware. (and I'm a xen fan for the record)
+1 about linux being better at HPC, the deployment mechanisms are better, as are the distributed management tools.
That being said, Solaris scales on single nodes like its nobodies business if you follow the best practices and know what your doing. I've seen big Sun boxes hit loads in excess of 300 and keep chugging. I *still* havent seen a Solaris box that was well maintained crash. (cant say that about Linux -- if anything its getting less stable).
AIX hasnt impressed me in the limited exposure I have had.
I've worked at a few different 'named' companies in IT. Including Sun. They are doing FAR better than when I was there, but they still do a piss poor job of making people choose their stuff.
The two things missing are: 'ooh thats cool' and 'ooh thats easy'. ZFS alone doesnt cut it, I have storage gear for that. What else can you do for me ?
Package management is still a joke. Package/software availability is even worse. The hardware is great, but its all designed for solaris, and the new hardware (ultrasparc T1) takes a serious performance hit when you run linux or bsd on it.
That being said, I'm not horribly impressed with RedHat... which has made what advancements lately ? ext3 still ? rpm is still crap. Now they appear to be adding more random useless cruft (a la network mangler) to the install.
Microsoft is clicky clicky crap that doesnt make my job easier when were talking hundreds or thousands of servers.
Two problems about that, the first being that HPC is more about cheap low power hardware and density neither of which the thumper provides.
Second hardware is commodity now. Thats something Sun has been struggling with since I was there 4 years ago. The t1000 and t2000 did a good job of bringing TCO in line with the rest of the universe except the fact that solaris is running behind linux in terms of admin awareness & love.
How many SA's do you know who would choose solaris over linux ?
last I checked the presidents job was not to organize disaster recovery efforts. This was a failure of many things, of which you could theoretically place some blame on bush, but its certainly not a lot of the blame. The local & state governments hold more blame, then FEMA, then the federal government but the first and foremost issue was dumb fucks not evacuating like they were told to.
Also, the situation was exacerbated after the fact by the same dumb fucks doing silly shit like shooting at the rescue choppers.
no, you read that correctly and so did I. It is not my job to provide you with jack shit. The argument could be made that it is not the governments job to provide you with jack shit either. It is merely our lazy ass handout driven society that trains people to think they deserve something.
To put it another way: Society shouldnt try to help everyone it should merely enable everyone to help themselves. Sure some people cant, but thats a small small percent of people, and we'd be better off without them to be honest.
yes for *desktops* ubuntu is much more suitable & popular. Now what percentage of Linux systems are desktops ? IBM, HP, Dell and even Sun have made Red Hat the default distro for server installations, where linux has a much larger number of installs and has a much larger install footprint.
Also worth noting is that the Dell offering is going so well with Ubuntu that they offer more systems with freakin openDOS.
Going down the list of options for new players:
A) Mine
B) Missions
C) Canon fodder in large corp (or a frigate based corp)
D) Market work (trade, transport, building etc)
But the game is not meant to be played solo, you need to get into a good corp where you get groups of people together to do... everything. Trade in teams, build, distribute etc, run missions in groups with different types of ships (try running a l4 with a handful of AF's or inties if you fear low-sec/0.0). Then you can get into market scalability, invention etc etc
None of this even touches on doing stuff like roaming gangs, fleet combat or the like.
Eve is only limited by your social skills, and your interest.
If that is indeed the case then perhaps it would be wise to make the law only apply to terrorist investigations.
Or perhaps requiring more than a fucking officers assumption (or minimal evidence) to get access to financial data, personal communications etc. (and no this isnt limited to computer files IMHO)
Like it or not its a power play via invasion of privacy and the fucking terrorist shit doesnt fly. (no pun intended)
What you want is irrelevant. People are usually lazy or thick and to be rather blunt they are fucking happy about it. Ignorance is bliss is no longer just a statement, its the new american dream.
I'm sorry I kicked your title off whatever ivory tower you had it perched on. The definition I quoted is the original, the definition you are implying is a simple minded bastardization meant to make jackasses with inferiority complexes feel superior.
Then again judging by your sig, I'm not the least bit surprised.
This is the real key. I spend close to 2 hours per day in my car, I'm not lugging CD's with me, and I'm not futzing with the ipod when I'm going 80. I want to use my steering wheel controls, a remote or some other style of easily memorizable (ie no looking) control.
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They need to hire better lawyers.
7 years only applies to certain data, and its almost certainly not email.
(the opposite end of the spectrum is they are doing this to be safe, which is doubtful)
How many clusters in the top500 are built using a central storage node and thin compute node model ? Most, if not the vast majority. Thumpers are a shit server for this space because in a 4U system the compute density is crap, power usage is crap and storage is easier to scale (GFS, GPFS, SOFS etc etc).
You go ahead believing that model works, you have a handful of customers who could even feasibly operate in that range, and not many outside the US gov't even bother.
When factoring in the top500, look past the top 25 on that list. There are a crap load of blade and 1/2U clusters. Getting lower down the list that percentage increases greatly. Because the largest cost of operating a large cluster is not hardware, its maintenance and facilities.
I know people who have been involved with rolling out a good number of those setups, I've seen 3 of the top 40 in person (and could go see #4 at my leisure). I used to work exclusively in that space. I am not kidding when I tell you that the vast majority of hpc environments on or off of the list are using shitty commodity (x3450 or pe1950 or lower) hardware.
I have one of the z-series boxes at the office, and I've in the past had sun E-series boxes.
Solaris on E series all the way. Linux just lacks the big iron feature set, the more complex task management set. The more complicated workload the more it falls down and cant get out of its own way.
Ah yes, but a kernel compile is not a viable test set. Though it is a neat observation. There was (is?) some oddity regarding the way Linux calculates load average with regards to I/O bound process's vs the way other nix's (incl solaris) do.
/proc to setup SAN attached storage.
Try getting a Linux box thats doing application or DB transactions into a unhappy place (bad code, bad queries what have you) and see what happens.
My list of linux gripes is long, the core hit list:
shitty nfs support on the client side. (3 is bad, 4 is worse)
SAN. Try it sometime, it'll make you cry. In 2008 your cating and echoing things into
Networking. It was half assed before, now with things like network manager is getting worse. The way it handles bonding config is silly and why for the love of god does redhat load ipv6 by default when it breaks shit and nobody uses it ?
in-flight process control. ulimit is nice, limits.conf is nice, now how do I give that oracle DB/apache instance more file descriptors while its already running ? (the 2.6.24 scheduler stuff solves the other problem - user priority)
I can go on and on. For a desktop or laptop linux is great, for low end servers in bulk linux is good. Start getting into more complex 'non-wintel' market space and application needs and it gets less and less attractive. (not even touching on things like zones, zfs, dtrace, key management etc)
As a random observation Linux also is suffering from incomplete project creep where lots of things are 'good enough' but not many are 'awesome'. I'm also a bit upset about most distro's starting crap like avahi and hald. Give me a 'server' check box. I dont want or need that crap (or any of the other crap like bluetooth - wtf ?). Yes its easy to fix, but why is this the default ? Is Linux trying to be Windows now ?
That works when there is a utopian zen type balance.
That doesnt exist. They have the guns, money and data needed to control everything. Try building a private army to resist and see what happens.
We were given these rights, and people sacrificed more than you know defending these rights. Now we are flushing it all away for security (not a new concept) god (ditto) and 'protecting' the kids/grandma/your sister. (that one is kinda new).
In the good old days (retarded statement) there would have been bloodshed over something like this, and that is where balance would have been achieved. Revolutions are not fought and won in a voting booth.
Right, and they should control speech as well. Its kinda out of control. Ditto print, TV, Radio, smoke signals ... and thought. Dont forget about controlling thought.
When the fuck did the people in this country (the world) just cash it in and end up a bunch of whiny pussies.
"oh the big bad internet, please mister senator protect me"
Grow a pair.
and what makes you think bad people are being caught at a higher rate because these cameras are in place ? optimistic much ?
More than likely there is a flat number of tickets and arrests over the prolonged period, because what will happen is once they get 'buy in' after the big surge up front they will cut costs on the back end by laying people off.
Here I was thinking that the gist was people are ignorant and lazy.
Who knew it was merely a matter of opinion ?
I've never seen anything on Linux that touches dtrace.
For the sake of IP networking the multipathing in question is largely known in linux has bonding, and its ugly. Half the modes only work in idealistic circumstances.
and for the record, vmware is not a linux solution, its an additional product, which has a cost attached to it.
^^ What he said. (segfaultcoredump)
I know how to do all the stuff mentioned in Linux, but for real installs with real requirements Solaris 'just works' and Linux requires a lot more effort. Where a rookie user or a small install is typically the exact opposite. (linux is easy, solaris is hard)
I love the SAN song and dance on Linux. Pissing into the wind effort if ever there was one.
KVM might someday compete with zones, but really they are worlds better for most uses than either Xen or Vmware. (and I'm a xen fan for the record)
+1 about linux being better at HPC, the deployment mechanisms are better, as are the distributed management tools.
That being said, Solaris scales on single nodes like its nobodies business if you follow the best practices and know what your doing. I've seen big Sun boxes hit loads in excess of 300 and keep chugging. I *still* havent seen a Solaris box that was well maintained crash. (cant say that about Linux -- if anything its getting less stable).
AIX hasnt impressed me in the limited exposure I have had.
I've worked at a few different 'named' companies in IT. Including Sun. They are doing FAR better than when I was there, but they still do a piss poor job of making people choose their stuff.
... which has made what advancements lately ? ext3 still ? rpm is still crap. Now they appear to be adding more random useless cruft (a la network mangler) to the install.
.... who ?
The two things missing are: 'ooh thats cool' and 'ooh thats easy'. ZFS alone doesnt cut it, I have storage gear for that. What else can you do for me ?
Package management is still a joke. Package/software availability is even worse. The hardware is great, but its all designed for solaris, and the new hardware (ultrasparc T1) takes a serious performance hit when you run linux or bsd on it.
That being said, I'm not horribly impressed with RedHat
Microsoft is clicky clicky crap that doesnt make my job easier when were talking hundreds or thousands of servers.
That leaves
Two problems about that, the first being that HPC is more about cheap low power hardware and density neither of which the thumper provides.
Second hardware is commodity now. Thats something Sun has been struggling with since I was there 4 years ago. The t1000 and t2000 did a good job of bringing TCO in line with the rest of the universe except the fact that solaris is running behind linux in terms of admin awareness & love.
How many SA's do you know who would choose solaris over linux ?
last I checked the presidents job was not to organize disaster recovery efforts. This was a failure of many things, of which you could theoretically place some blame on bush, but its certainly not a lot of the blame. The local & state governments hold more blame, then FEMA, then the federal government but the first and foremost issue was dumb fucks not evacuating like they were told to. Also, the situation was exacerbated after the fact by the same dumb fucks doing silly shit like shooting at the rescue choppers.
no, you read that correctly and so did I. It is not my job to provide you with jack shit. The argument could be made that it is not the governments job to provide you with jack shit either. It is merely our lazy ass handout driven society that trains people to think they deserve something. To put it another way: Society shouldnt try to help everyone it should merely enable everyone to help themselves. Sure some people cant, but thats a small small percent of people, and we'd be better off without them to be honest.
yes for *desktops* ubuntu is much more suitable & popular. Now what percentage of Linux systems are desktops ? IBM, HP, Dell and even Sun have made Red Hat the default distro for server installations, where linux has a much larger number of installs and has a much larger install footprint.
Also worth noting is that the Dell offering is going so well with Ubuntu that they offer more systems with freakin openDOS.
and I wouldnt touch Red Hat with a stick if the CEO was making technical decisions like this.
Apache, Bind, Sendmail or openGL. Not everything innovative or open is end-user oriented.
Going down the list of options for new players: A) Mine B) Missions C) Canon fodder in large corp (or a frigate based corp) D) Market work (trade, transport, building etc) But the game is not meant to be played solo, you need to get into a good corp where you get groups of people together to do ... everything. Trade in teams, build, distribute etc, run missions in groups with different types of ships (try running a l4 with a handful of AF's or inties if you fear low-sec/0.0). Then you can get into market scalability, invention etc etc
None of this even touches on doing stuff like roaming gangs, fleet combat or the like.
Eve is only limited by your social skills, and your interest.
If that is indeed the case then perhaps it would be wise to make the law only apply to terrorist investigations.
Or perhaps requiring more than a fucking officers assumption (or minimal evidence) to get access to financial data, personal communications etc. (and no this isnt limited to computer files IMHO)
Like it or not its a power play via invasion of privacy and the fucking terrorist shit doesnt fly. (no pun intended)
What you want is irrelevant. People are usually lazy or thick and to be rather blunt they are fucking happy about it. Ignorance is bliss is no longer just a statement, its the new american dream.
just because his statement is the exact one made by a famous dead guy doesnt make it any less true.
Pocket PC implies an OS not an application.
I'm sorry I kicked your title off whatever ivory tower you had it perched on. The definition I quoted is the original, the definition you are implying is a simple minded bastardization meant to make jackasses with inferiority complexes feel superior.
Then again judging by your sig, I'm not the least bit surprised.
Ding.
This is the real key. I spend close to 2 hours per day in my car, I'm not lugging CD's with me, and I'm not futzing with the ipod when I'm going 80. I want to use my steering wheel controls, a remote or some other style of easily memorizable (ie no looking) control.