Agreed. Abortion is more properly termed feticide (spelling?). Just wanted to point out that partial birth abortion blurs the boundaries between the two terms. The procedure is documented here. Often a babies aborted this way can survive (as a premature delivery), and would be called an infants if the abortionist pulled their head out of the birth canal before killing them (the head is the only part of the body kept within the mother before the baby is killed). This does fit the word meaning: infant-i-cide.
Ultimately, all abortion definitely involves killing life that is not the mother's own. And that is evil.
My company - Corporate Express - has an online ordering site called "Netxpress" that implemented the features in the Amazon patent application way back in 1997.
Since '97, our system lets a customer keep multiple shopping carts open (we just call them "orders"), assign a name to each order ("customer reference"), add items to each order, and check each order out seperately.
You can check out this functionality on our demo site, which has an automated sign-up here:
(ignore the state-code - it's Australian).
To create multiple orders, go to the "orders" screen, then press "create" to create a new order. You can add items to this order, or you can press "create" again to create another order. Pressing the "select" button allows you to switch between your open orders.
The icing on the cake: our site runs purely on Linux (including the database) and is the largest transacted site in Australia (4,500 orders/day, AU$1 Million/Day).
Hmmm, you have a point there. There are a fair few cheap "server" motherboards in use in small companies with AGP slots free... IIRC AGP has much higher b/w, with less-latency, than vanilla PCI. Anyone with throughput figures?
However, device manager ("view by connection") in my Win2K system shows the AGP card hangs off the PCI bus via a PCI-to-PCI link. Does this mean that AGP runs off a higher-speed PCI bus?
> Cows are worshipped, people left to die... > one of the most corrupt governments... > Kickbacks? Bribes? Abuse of authority?... True, this goes on. And there is more corruption there than, say, the US. But there are _tons_ of people who try to do right, and...
> Become one of the "untouchables"... > because of an accident of birth, > you literally aren't *allowed* to do > anything but scrub public urinals for the rest > of your life, get any sort of education, or > look the higher castes in the eyes. An Indian _President_ - the previous one - was one such "untouchable".
Did you really spend time in India? Was it in transit?
> how insensitive humans can be to their > own kind. We'd respect what you said more, if you actually do something to help.
> if Gates paid the customary round bribes, > you'd see Windows XP on every one of those PCs.
I guess you mean Licensed copies, no? I don't quite think India can afford that.
[ From another post of yours ] > No, they stuck their hands out and ordereed > "PAY US TO USE WINDOWS", Gates said no.
> I don't need to read his words. I have my own families words to read.
Surely, a slave-holder would like to pass down white-washed version of his own deeds.
By ignoring other witness in favor of what you prefer to read, you are wilfully blind.
Hi - the updated link is here:
http://www.shoppingpda.com/catalog/product_info.ph p?products_id=33
This is a pretty good deal - US$235. I'm surprised they got it into this form factor!
Its sad, but it seems you're right about DECT being a threat to mobile vendors - I spoke to a SAGEM rep (here in Australia) a few months ago on sourcing a DECT+GSM module. He said SAGEM did sell dual mode DECT+GSM phones abroad but that they were "definitely not" (he was quite vehement here) introducing them to Australia. He didn't help much with sourcing the module either. I eventually gave up.
DECT is great for voice: nodes can be configured in ad-hoc networks easily (in under 2-3 seconds), voice quality is superb (better than GSM or 802.11b streaming), it scales well, and has the largest installed base of digital cordless voice phones (not in the US though).
There was some talk about a GSM cordless technology called CTS -- supposed to be a "DECT-killer" -- but no one seems to be using it.
Hmmm, what if Clean Flicks sold *data*, that your 'intelligent' DVD/VCD/VHS player could interpret as commands to apply to the movie in question. For instance there could be commands like: "Time 1013-1025 seconds::Delete footage" or "Time 2300::Superpose EmbeddedGraphic#234 on RectangleRegion (232,334-677,234)".
The distinction between movie and review in this case is very clear.... and perfectly legal. It would in essence be a sort of like a super "TV Guide", with granularity down to the second.
What Clean Flicks seems to do is very close to this - modify a copy of the movie at the request of the customer who owns the rights to watch the movie as he sees fit. I think this should be legal.
Just thought I'd correct myself on one thing - parent poster is right in that Mandrake don't have to put their programs (DiskDrake etc) under the GPL since they aren't derivative works of existing GPL programs. However since they have done so (I think), most of my points above, stand.
Thanks dude. I'm sure the parent to your original post would appreciate your candor here.
About the rest of the post: I just wasn't comfortable with a Corporate setting a arbitrary price on all access to GPL code, but as I understand (see discussion below) there is a third unpublicized option for transferring sources.
However - I don't think the GNU license Sec.1 that you quoted (which deals with verbatim copies) applies to the Mandrake Distro. I think rather that Sec 2 and 3 (dealing with packages *based* on GNU-copyrighted works) apply. These are also the sections that talk about availability of sources.
> Btw, sending these sources on 5 1/2` floppies by camel-post is (legaly) perfectly acceptable too.
Yup, that's fine, except the offer isn't visible on the Mandrake website (I guess making the offer visible *isn't* required by the GNU license, but the offer itself must exist)
IIRC, one restriction in Sec.2. is that media copying charge be reasonable. I'm don't think US $60 is currently a reasonable media copying charge for a couple of ISOs worth of data transferred over the *Internet* - so I guess Mandrakesoft have an unspoken , (possibly cheaper), offer to copy sources.
> It isn't NICE to do so,... but folks like you make me wonder...
Get used to the wonderous world we live in! Seriously: I hope you got my drift. I'm not trying to suck Mandrakesoft dry. My point is if they can set an arbitrary price now for access to s/w, what's to stop this price reaching a zillion dollars in the future? What would people think about the concept of 'free software' then?
To answer my own question: I guess its the 'reasonable' copying charge clause (for sources only) under the GNU license.
I could be wrong about this but I wish this GNU license clause 2/3 had a sub-clause forcing the provider to publicise the clause somehow (like a statutory reference to the GNU license Version 1.1 somewhere in the sales page).
> I don't know how long it may have taken a genius like you... >...freeloaders... > Schmucks like you.... > You schmucks... Warez...
Hey ! Wash your mouth out and consider the following instead of being abusive:
The Mandrake download page requires you to either: A. Have previously *paid* them a minimum of $60 OR B. *State* you *will* pay them a minimum of $60 in future
There is no other option that allows you to download their software.
What's to stop them hiking this 'download price' from $60 to $1000000?
Sec 2.b. of the GNU license states that packages based on GNU-licensed software must also be licensed "as a whole at no charge to all third parties". What they are doing seems to violate this section, and Section 3 as well. (though I cannot say for sure).
Mr. Moderator !!!!!!!! This is the first post that addresses the question -- peer-to-peer file sharing using 802.11b-- and you mark it offtopic! Wake up!.
Ideas about uPnP, Netbios, etc are useless if a 802.11b network isn't even *established*.
Mozilla's XUL offers basic GUI functionality like Tabbed panes, Forms, etc. This is useful, but I don't think XUL provides the following:
(1) A general purpose drawing component. Eg: Can I write an mapping application in XUL that allows me to zoom in and out of a vector map seamlessly. Am I forced to use SVG and nothing else?
(2) A way to invoke external components using a bridge provided by the host OS. Eg: Can I make a Windows/COM call to an installed CrystalSpace graphics engine so it displays in an XUL window?
I think requirements (1) & (2) above are provided by C# and (1) is provided by Java.
Hi - thanks for your input. I did take a look at the Tactex product before posting, but the problem is that its product is opaque. I don't quite know how it works but do see Fiber optics mentioned. I think that's pretty interesting, if really think strands were used...
No sorry man, i meant this to be a walk-up-and-use system. I had an idea myself about using gloves to detect motion on flat surfaces on the cheap - take apart a cheap infrared mouse! (the type that don't use the rubber balls). The sensor is small enough to mount on a glove on your fingertip and its behavior is quite ideal for detecting motion - it doesn't move the pointer unless you apply it against a surface. Heck, with a membrane keyboard (the sort with keys under a flat rubber membrane) one probably could do away with the mouse completely by mounting the infrared sensor on an index finger! (mouse motion occurs if the hand is not depressing keys and the sensor indicates motion against a flat surface)
Hmmm.... Thanks! I hadn't heard about them. They look really interesting and high tech. I took a look at their site and they talk about 'depositing' a sensor layer on a surface. Looks like they have something that essentially a CCD. Its quite high resolution too (compared to what I have in mind) but heaps more expensive.
> . A touchscreen with hundreds of tiny > etched "wires" across the inside of two > surfaces that "connect" when you touch can get
Just as an aside: the most efficient 'layer' to build this would be LCD display manufacturers. The way I see it, they already adress each pixel individually to output data (light); they could do the same to input data (pressure).
Hi! I'm trying to avoid a stylus in favor of just using fingers (which is why the screen only needs to be low-res).
> you have two sheets covered with resistive > material, one which has conductors on the > vertical sides and one with conductors on > horizontal sides. Increase the conductors (say, > four shorter conductors on each side, and make > them points instead of lines).
Actually, I was looking at using something similar to the circuit in the U.Toronto paper. That circuit seems to require only one layer of sensors that sense touch and pressure by measuring capacitance at the point being touched. I think this method also provides infinite resolution.
I was thinking on the lines of using this idea and painting-on the sensors to the screen with transparent conductive paint. Another layer of transparent insulating paint would cover the track upto the sensor point.
I'm aiming at detecting different pressure levels and detecting all points.
In the billbuxton.com PDF paper, they actually outline a circuit that detects different pressure levels. I was thinking of just adapting that idea to a transparent touchscreen.
"Make VNC windows oriented"...Good idea, and the first one to suggest a decent, workable, solution.
What are the moderators thinking... giving this post a 2, but giving the weak post on 'URLs' above a 4?!
> I hate to tell any scientists out there this, > but accurate human research takes DECADES on a > reasonable number of people (i.e. NOT 50).
You're wrong. A lot of useful research gets done in months, not lifetimes. Think penicillin; think insulin.
In the case of Japanese-American breast cancer study, do you really want scientists laboring away for a couple of lifetimes without presenting their findings for peer review.
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> you do know infanticide != abortion, right?
Agreed. Abortion is more properly termed feticide (spelling?). Just wanted to point out that partial birth abortion blurs the boundaries between the two terms. The procedure is documented here. Often a babies aborted this way can survive (as a premature delivery), and would be called an infants if the abortionist pulled their head out of the birth canal before killing them (the head is the only part of the body kept within the mother before the baby is killed). This does fit the word meaning: infant-i-cide.
Ultimately, all abortion definitely involves killing life that is not the mother's own. And that is evil.
Why should a few politicians outvoice the masses who have chosen to buy cheap printers with expensive cartridges?
That's because these politicians are the voice of the masses. They were voted-in by the masses with the mandate to make laws like this.
My company - Corporate Express - has an online ordering site called "Netxpress" that implemented the features in the Amazon patent application way back in 1997.
Since '97, our system lets a customer keep multiple shopping carts open (we just call them "orders"), assign a name to each order ("customer reference"), add items to each order, and check each order out seperately.
You can check out this functionality on our demo site, which has an automated sign-up here: (ignore the state-code - it's Australian).
To create multiple orders, go to the "orders" screen, then press "create" to create a new order. You can add items to this order, or you can press "create" again to create another order. Pressing the "select" button allows you to switch between your open orders.
The icing on the cake: our site runs purely on Linux (including the database) and is the largest transacted site in Australia (4,500 orders/day, AU$1 Million/Day).
God created all of us. We're tenants in decaying bodies; wisps of vapour that will soon die.
The day you recognize this, and follow it to the conclusion laid out in the Gospels of the Bible; that's the day you will finally live forever.
Hmmm, you have a point there. There are a fair few cheap "server" motherboards in use in small companies with AGP slots free... IIRC AGP has much higher b/w, with less-latency, than vanilla PCI. Anyone with throughput figures?
However, device manager ("view by connection") in my Win2K system shows the AGP card hangs off the PCI bus via a PCI-to-PCI link. Does this mean that AGP runs off a higher-speed PCI bus?
> Cows are worshipped, people left to die... ... ...
> one of the most corrupt governments
> Kickbacks? Bribes? Abuse of authority?
True, this goes on. And there is more corruption there than, say, the US. But there are _tons_ of people who try to do right, and...
> Become one of the "untouchables"...
> because of an accident of birth,
> you literally aren't *allowed* to do
> anything but scrub public urinals for the rest
> of your life, get any sort of education, or
> look the higher castes in the eyes.
An Indian _President_ - the previous one - was one such "untouchable".
Did you really spend time in India? Was it in transit?
> how insensitive humans can be to their
> own kind.
We'd respect what you said more, if you actually do something to help.
> if Gates paid the customary round bribes,
> you'd see Windows XP on every one of those PCs.
I guess you mean Licensed copies, no? I don't quite think India can afford that.
[ From another post of yours ]
> No, they stuck their hands out and ordereed
> "PAY US TO USE WINDOWS", Gates said no.
Gee, you are one investigative Troll!
> I don't need to read his words. I have my own families words to read. Surely, a slave-holder would like to pass down white-washed version of his own deeds. By ignoring other witness in favor of what you prefer to read, you are wilfully blind.
Hi - the updated link is here: http://www.shoppingpda.com/catalog/product_info.ph p?products_id=33
This is a pretty good deal - US$235. I'm surprised they got it into this form factor!
Its sad, but it seems you're right about DECT being a threat to mobile vendors - I spoke to a SAGEM rep (here in Australia) a few months ago on sourcing a DECT+GSM module. He said SAGEM did sell dual mode DECT+GSM phones abroad but that they were "definitely not" (he was quite vehement here) introducing them to Australia. He didn't help much with sourcing the module either. I eventually gave up.
DECT is great for voice: nodes can be configured in ad-hoc networks easily (in under 2-3 seconds), voice quality is superb (better than GSM or 802.11b streaming), it scales well, and has the largest installed base of digital cordless voice phones (not in the US though).
There was some talk about a GSM cordless technology called CTS -- supposed to be a "DECT-killer" -- but no one seems to be using it.
Hmmm, what if Clean Flicks sold *data*, that your 'intelligent' DVD/VCD/VHS player could interpret as commands to apply to the movie in question. For instance there could be commands like: "Time 1013-1025 seconds::Delete footage" or "Time 2300::Superpose EmbeddedGraphic#234 on RectangleRegion (232,334-677,234)".
The distinction between movie and review in this case is very clear.... and perfectly legal. It would in essence be a sort of like a super "TV Guide", with granularity down to the second.
What Clean Flicks seems to do is very close to this - modify a copy of the movie at the request of the customer who owns the rights to watch the movie as he sees fit. I think this should be legal.
Just thought I'd correct myself on one thing - parent poster is right in that Mandrake don't have to put their programs (DiskDrake etc) under the GPL since they aren't derivative works of existing GPL programs. However since they have done so (I think), most of my points above, stand.
> Hey, sorry if you consider my post abusive.
Thanks dude. I'm sure the parent to your original post would appreciate your candor here.
About the rest of the post: I just wasn't comfortable with a Corporate setting a arbitrary price on all access to GPL code, but as I understand (see discussion below) there is a third unpublicized option for transferring sources.
Firstly, I'm no lawyer.
... but folks like you make me wonder...
However - I don't think the GNU license Sec.1 that you quoted (which deals with verbatim copies) applies to the Mandrake Distro. I think rather that Sec 2 and 3 (dealing with packages *based* on GNU-copyrighted works) apply. These are also the sections that talk about availability of sources.
> Btw, sending these sources on 5 1/2` floppies by camel-post is (legaly) perfectly acceptable too.
Yup, that's fine, except the offer isn't visible on the Mandrake website (I guess making the offer visible *isn't* required by the GNU license, but the offer itself must exist)
IIRC, one restriction in Sec.2. is that media copying charge be reasonable. I'm don't think US $60 is currently a reasonable media copying charge for a couple of ISOs worth of data transferred over the *Internet* - so I guess Mandrakesoft have an unspoken , (possibly cheaper), offer to copy sources.
> It isn't NICE to do so,
Get used to the wonderous world we live in!
Seriously: I hope you got my drift. I'm not trying to suck Mandrakesoft dry. My point is if they can set an arbitrary price now for access to s/w, what's to stop this price reaching a zillion dollars in the future? What would people think about the concept of 'free software' then?
To answer my own question: I guess its the 'reasonable' copying charge clause (for sources only) under the GNU license.
I could be wrong about this but I wish this GNU license clause 2/3 had a sub-clause forcing the provider to publicise the clause somehow (like a statutory reference to the GNU license Version 1.1 somewhere in the sales page).
> I don't know how long it may have taken a genius like you... .... ... Warez...
>...freeloaders...
> Schmucks like you
> You schmucks
Hey ! Wash your mouth out and consider the following instead of being abusive:
The Mandrake download page requires you to either:
A. Have previously *paid* them a minimum of $60
OR
B. *State* you *will* pay them a minimum of $60 in future
There is no other option that allows you to download their software.
What's to stop them hiking this 'download price' from $60 to $1000000?
Sec 2.b. of the GNU license states that packages based on GNU-licensed software must also be licensed "as a whole at no charge to all third parties". What they are doing seems to violate this section, and Section 3 as well. (though I cannot say for sure).
Mr. Moderator !!!!!!!! This is the first post that addresses the question -- peer-to-peer file sharing using 802.11b-- and you mark it offtopic! Wake up!.
Ideas about uPnP, Netbios, etc are useless if a 802.11b network isn't even *established*.
Mozilla's XUL offers basic GUI functionality like Tabbed panes, Forms, etc. This is useful, but I don't think XUL provides the following:
(1) A general purpose drawing component.
Eg: Can I write an mapping application in XUL that allows me to zoom in and out of a vector map seamlessly. Am I forced to use SVG and nothing else?
(2) A way to invoke external components using a bridge provided by the host OS.
Eg: Can I make a Windows/COM call to an installed CrystalSpace graphics engine so it displays in an XUL window?
I think requirements (1) & (2) above are provided by C# and (1) is provided by Java.
Is this correct?
Hi - thanks for your input. I did take a look at the Tactex product before posting, but the problem is that its product is opaque. I don't quite know how it works but do see Fiber optics mentioned. I think that's pretty interesting, if really think strands were used...
No sorry man, i meant this to be a walk-up-and-use system. I had an idea myself about using gloves to detect motion on flat surfaces on the cheap - take apart a cheap infrared mouse! (the type that don't use the rubber balls). The sensor is small enough to mount on a glove on your fingertip and its behavior is quite ideal for detecting motion - it doesn't move the pointer unless you apply it against a surface. Heck, with a membrane keyboard (the sort with keys under a flat rubber membrane) one probably could do away with the mouse completely by mounting the infrared sensor on an index finger! (mouse motion occurs if the hand is not depressing keys and the sensor indicates motion against a flat surface)
Hmmm.... Thanks! I hadn't heard about them. They look really interesting and high tech. I took a look at their site and they talk about 'depositing' a sensor layer on a surface. Looks like they have something that essentially a CCD. Its quite high resolution too (compared to what I have in mind) but heaps more expensive.
> . A touchscreen with hundreds of tiny
> etched "wires" across the inside of two
> surfaces that "connect" when you touch can get
Just as an aside: the most efficient 'layer' to build this would be LCD display manufacturers. The way I see it, they already adress each pixel individually to output data (light); they could do the same to input data (pressure).
Hi! I'm trying to avoid a stylus in favor of just using fingers (which is why the screen only needs to be low-res).
> you have two sheets covered with resistive
> material, one which has conductors on the
> vertical sides and one with conductors on
> horizontal sides. Increase the conductors (say,
> four shorter conductors on each side, and make
> them points instead of lines).
Actually, I was looking at using something similar to the circuit in the U.Toronto paper. That circuit seems to require only one layer of sensors that sense touch and pressure by measuring capacitance at the point being touched. I think this method also provides infinite resolution.
I was thinking on the lines of using this idea and painting-on the sensors to the screen with transparent conductive paint. Another layer of transparent insulating paint would cover the track upto the sensor point.
They go like this:
1. Get the slashdot community (which includes myself) to provide plans for a pressure-sensitive, multi-point touchscreen.
2. Build one as a component for my project.
3. Taiwanese/Chinese/American/.... manufacturers notice the plans on slashdot.org
4. Cheap pressure-sensitive multi-point touchscreen become available.
I'm aiming at detecting different pressure levels and detecting all points.
In the billbuxton.com PDF paper, they actually outline a circuit that detects different pressure levels. I was thinking of just adapting that idea to a transparent touchscreen.
"Make VNC windows oriented" ...Good idea, and the first one to suggest a decent, workable, solution.
What are the moderators thinking... giving this post a 2, but giving the weak post on 'URLs' above a 4?!
> I hate to tell any scientists out there this,
> but accurate human research takes DECADES on a
> reasonable number of people (i.e. NOT 50).
You're wrong. A lot of useful research gets done in months, not lifetimes. Think penicillin; think insulin.
In the case of Japanese-American breast cancer study, do you really want scientists laboring away for a couple of lifetimes without presenting their findings for peer review.