While there are other laptops in this price range, this one has features specially designed for this cause. The battery lasts longer than most, and can be manually recharged, it's virtually dust proof, and drop proof, it automatically mesh networks to chain an Internet connection (with crazy range on the wireless), you can switch to a code view of whatever program you're running, etc.
Sharing and learning about technology where power and 'Net access are scarce is what this is about, not just the price, though the press has made the most of the cost instead of the cause.
He's alive. And not just to leave it open for a movie or new series, but because the entire show was about this same cycle. The show was never about closure, or redemption, or the hero's journey. It was about making you sit in his seat for awhile, and see the world through his eyes, not a glorified "Top of the world ma!" go out in a blaze of glory type thing. It was an "end up in a wheel chair unaware of who you are" sort of thing.
The break away to black was a crescendo to the tension they created with the folks walking in, looking shifty. "OMG, that guys gonna whack him!", "OMG, that dude is gonna shoot AJ", "OMG, Meadow's car will blow up."
Why kill him? Why not show him being killed if he is? What lesson would we learn from that that we don't learn by him being alive, but trapped. By the life, the fear, the machine. He's not afraid to die, he's afraid of that senile old man in the chair.
"This thing of ours, once you're in, there ain't no gettin' out." Which is a fitting prison for Tony, locked in a life of his own making, nostalgically trying to reach out for the "old days" when his Dad and Uncle June ran N. Jersey. But those days are gone, if they ever existed. There are no good old days, just days, and life goes on. Let's get some onion rings tonight, b/c there's a good chance we'll all be dead tomorrow.
> To err is human, to apologize and publicly shoot one's own demonic brainchild in the foot is divine.
His recalcitrance doesn't repeal the law. The purpose of the system is what it does, and the purpose of his "demonic brainchild"--whatever it was originally--has become to allow the RIAA to bludgeon whomever they'd like. So whatever the RIAA has done with his baby, it's still his fault for spawning it.
Why tell lies or half truths like: "I cannot be positive beyond a reasonable doubt. My religion prevents me from bearing false witness.", when the truth is he doesn't have to reveal his source material. There's a reason they made that amendment first, they knew first hand what a hostile and oppressive government would try and attack first. They knew first hand what tools we would need if faced again with a hostile and oppressive government that needs replacing.
He doesn't have to turn over his tapes, and not showing up to court to "eat the hors d'ouevres" is called "civil disobedience". In fact showing up is feeding the lie that they are entitled to even ask him for them. They're on a fishing expedition to add dissidents to their growing list of people to watch and illegally monitor, or they're out to show this blogger punk who's boss. Otherwise the judge could review the tape privately and decide as he has been offered. Well, we know who's boss, the Constitution.
Just because someone is from a "large party of important people" doesn't mean they are better than you, have more rights than you, or are somehow entitled to ruin your life because you don't come over and play ball with them. My hat's off to Josh. Damn the man, fight the power, fuck the police.
> I think an anlogy would be: I drive back and forth to work everyday, or 400 times a year. My speed on each trip is 60mph, so in a year my speed is 60x400 or 24000mph.
I think the better analogy is: "You drive to work each day at light speed, despite work being less than an hour away." In other words, their entire data array can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. Which is good if you are creating, sharing and batch rendering massive 3D and/or compositing fx files across a network.
That's not his point. His point is that Suse benefits and is obliged by the GPL. So long as Novell carves out a separate agreement, built on the same GPL base, it will begin to establish a legal fracture in that Novell and MS will have a chance to get courts to uphold their intermingled stack at the expense of others.
Meaning that a non-MS partner can suffer legal scrutiny, penalties, or at least a chilling effect for the same code that is not under family "protection", despite having the same origins, license and legal status. This allows MS to sue companies one day without seeming anti-competitive, b/c folks will have an ostensibly "legal" path out of infringing.
What many are afraid of is that this will create a new "legal" use of Linux (which is already legal to use), or create a regime of extortionist threats (or at the very least, some good FUD) about potential patent suits. Thereby making other distros seem "not legal". This suits Novell, b/c they are losing the Linux war, and of course suits MS which now has Novell inside their walls, and they've already put Novell on their asses before, and want the world back the way it was before Novell tried to revive itself. MS doesn't want Novell to succeed, they want Red Hat and everyone else to fail. Novell wants to survive the onslaught and is willing to create any disruption that will bring them favor.
In actuality, a partnership that was really in the interest of these companies and their customers would be interoperability via APIs and protocols that included patent protections for the codebase, and not the corporate entity. Not misty fictions like "legal" and "not necessarily illegal, until we get a court rulling or two in our favor and sue the crap out of you" deals.
Neither Linux, nor open source needs anything from MS (or from Novell for that matter) to become what is has become or continue. This is a desperate move by a sad shell of a company and their sleazy rich uncle.
Here's a hip hop Halloween video to go with the CDs. It's awesome, if only for the appearance of Dragon Mummy and the revelation that werewolves can give people Parkinson's disease. CC licensed BY-NC-ND.
Try out Lulu TV for doing short videos/trailers/webisodes and Lulu.com for DVD sales. Lulu TV converts to Flash for browser viewing, MP4 for iPod/PSP and 3GP for phones. We support OGG uploads, and will support the Gnash player when it releases. You also get your own RSS feeds, etc.
I work there, so I could just be a shill. But it's free, so you've nothing to lose by trying.
We have a guy using Lulu TV for webisodes of a documentary he's filming to raise funds and drive awareness. It's also a good place for all the footage he can't use for the film. He sells the DVDs of another documentary via Lulu.com:
Right, and Billboard and iTunes both only look at, care about, and pimp "head content". There is not nearly enough tail content in iTunes to make any real determination as to how it affects sales.
Actually, no one pays to watch the content. People who create videos can pay to have enhanced hosting (greater clip sizes, etc) and in return, we give them back 80% of that revenue, paid based on their share of the traffic.
So we are paying creators in direct proportion to their virality. And we don't use ads to do it.
There is also a free account that you can host an unlimited number of ~32M clips.
> I think what you want to be is, in effect, like Switzerland - you want to be the people of unquestionable integrity.
Ahh yes. The unquestionable integrity of hidden bank accounts, tax shelters, war profiteering and Nazi gold. What a jackass.
I read every RH related comment roughly as "See what we want to do is be *exactly* like Red Hat, all the while bashing Red Hat" (e.g. "influence but not own Linux, switch to Gnome default, Burlington Coat Factory customer references" etc).
Also, I doubt there's any such public proclamation of Red Hat aspiring to be the M$ of Linux that meant "the unstoppable soul swallowing juggernaut whore goddess". They probably meant "successful". And analysts need a metaphor of success, so they don't have to think so hard.
These guys should worry about being the "Novell of Linux", whatever that is beyond a cautionary tale, But it will at least be *their* tale.
I don't know what purpose it serves, but art doesn't need a purpose. It's a nice little instant subliminal/incidental art maker. Not unlike the patterns formed by city workers continually painting over graffiti.
Assembling all that noise and making it at all tolerable to watch or hear is neat. It still made more sense to me than anything I've seen on Fox News in 6 years.
And if you watch there are a number of happy accidents. Like assembling a shot of riot police under narration talking about fighting Iraqi insurgents, or toggling the top of a talking head's head off everytime he opens his mouth.
Lulu isn't actually the publisher, these kits were published by the projects themselves, or by a member. And of the projects in there now, only Fedora has an aggressive update cycle.
The docs include info on how to get updates.
So for the canned answer go to: http://www.redhat.com/mktg/which_rhl/
But most of the folks in this thread have summed it up just as well.
1) If you need 5-7 yr lifecycle, extended product/tech support, ISV certification, go with the Red Hat Enterprise Linux line 2) If you are more of a do-it-yourselfer, need more recent bells and/or whistles, have a smaller deployment, with less dependance on third party solutions go with Red Hat Linux (or the vendor that you already know, etc)
A few things I wanted to clarify:
When the fellow mentions the "stability" trade off, that means stability of the API/ABI, libraries, etc... not how often it crashes or not.
Also tech support and RHN are indeed available for both lines. There was a post that indicated that we took away RHN for his product. We limited the free/demo RHN product. While he could have purchased the full version, switching to BSD worked for him.
Lastly, for those who have pointed out the gap we seem to have left between hobbyist and enterprise, we are looking into that as well. We are always looking to fill in the gaps in our offering.
I've seen a couple of comments that an admin can say it's no viable and opt into proprietary solutions. That the bill is unenforcable or accomplishes little. Consider this:
1) It gets F/OSS on the list of allowable purchases
2) Portland school districts estimate 1.5M in licensing alone as pre-bill adopters. Savings indicative of larger statewide saving spotential.
3) Incentive for gov't focused VARs to deploy
4) Precludes use of EULA 6 type licensing
5) Considers the disposition of the a merit, protects integrity of public data systems
Not all of the benefits translate directly to savings, some will beget savings, some will encourage out of the box thinking, some are just the right things to do.
The GPL requires that we make GPL and GPL derivative source code available to recipients of the binaries. We do that, AND post the source on ftp for anyone to use, which we don't have to do for this or any other of our products which are posted on ftp. We feel we should adhere to the spirit of the GPL as much as to the letter.
AS has a stack of support and services that require a fee for use, reality is that no one will stop you from building your own or installing on multiple machines. But you won't get full support,,services, RHN, and in some cases ISV/IHV support.
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Wasn't that an R. Kelly video?
While there are other laptops in this price range, this one has features specially designed for this cause. The battery lasts longer than most, and can be manually recharged, it's virtually dust proof, and drop proof, it automatically mesh networks to chain an Internet connection (with crazy range on the wireless), you can switch to a code view of whatever program you're running, etc.
Sharing and learning about technology where power and 'Net access are scarce is what this is about, not just the price, though the press has made the most of the cost instead of the cause.
He's alive. And not just to leave it open for a movie or new series, but because the entire show was about this same cycle. The show was never about closure, or redemption, or the hero's journey. It was about making you sit in his seat for awhile, and see the world through his eyes, not a glorified "Top of the world ma!" go out in a blaze of glory type thing. It was an "end up in a wheel chair unaware of who you are" sort of thing.
The break away to black was a crescendo to the tension they created with the folks walking in, looking shifty. "OMG, that guys gonna whack him!", "OMG, that dude is gonna shoot AJ", "OMG, Meadow's car will blow up."
Why kill him? Why not show him being killed if he is? What lesson would we learn from that that we don't learn by him being alive, but trapped. By the life, the fear, the machine. He's not afraid to die, he's afraid of that senile old man in the chair.
"This thing of ours, once you're in, there ain't no gettin' out." Which is a fitting prison for Tony, locked in a life of his own making, nostalgically trying to reach out for the "old days" when his Dad and Uncle June ran N. Jersey. But those days are gone, if they ever existed. There are no good old days, just days, and life goes on. Let's get some onion rings tonight, b/c there's a good chance we'll all be dead tomorrow.
> To err is human, to apologize and publicly shoot one's own demonic brainchild in the foot is divine.
His recalcitrance doesn't repeal the law. The purpose of the system is what it does, and the purpose of his "demonic brainchild"--whatever it was originally--has become to allow the RIAA to bludgeon whomever they'd like. So whatever the RIAA has done with his baby, it's still his fault for spawning it.
--jeremy
Why tell lies or half truths like: "I cannot be positive beyond a reasonable doubt. My religion prevents me from bearing false witness.", when the truth is he doesn't have to reveal his source material. There's a reason they made that amendment first, they knew first hand what a hostile and oppressive government would try and attack first. They knew first hand what tools we would need if faced again with a hostile and oppressive government that needs replacing.
He doesn't have to turn over his tapes, and not showing up to court to "eat the hors d'ouevres" is called "civil disobedience". In fact showing up is feeding the lie that they are entitled to even ask him for them. They're on a fishing expedition to add dissidents to their growing list of people to watch and illegally monitor, or they're out to show this blogger punk who's boss. Otherwise the judge could review the tape privately and decide as he has been offered. Well, we know who's boss, the Constitution.
Just because someone is from a "large party of important people" doesn't mean they are better than you, have more rights than you, or are somehow entitled to ruin your life because you don't come over and play ball with them. My hat's off to Josh. Damn the man, fight the power, fuck the police.
> I think an anlogy would be: I drive back and forth to work everyday, or 400 times a year. My speed on each trip is 60mph, so in a year my speed is 60x400 or 24000mph.
I think the better analogy is: "You drive to work each day at light speed, despite work being less than an hour away." In other words, their entire data array can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. Which is good if you are creating, sharing and batch rendering massive 3D and/or compositing fx files across a network.
That's not his point. His point is that Suse benefits and is obliged by the GPL. So long as Novell carves out a separate agreement, built on the same GPL base, it will begin to establish a legal fracture in that Novell and MS will have a chance to get courts to uphold their intermingled stack at the expense of others.
Meaning that a non-MS partner can suffer legal scrutiny, penalties, or at least a chilling effect for the same code that is not under family "protection", despite having the same origins, license and legal status. This allows MS to sue companies one day without seeming anti-competitive, b/c folks will have an ostensibly "legal" path out of infringing.
What many are afraid of is that this will create a new "legal" use of Linux (which is already legal to use), or create a regime of extortionist threats (or at the very least, some good FUD) about potential patent suits. Thereby making other distros seem "not legal". This suits Novell, b/c they are losing the Linux war, and of course suits MS which now has Novell inside their walls, and they've already put Novell on their asses before, and want the world back the way it was before Novell tried to revive itself. MS doesn't want Novell to succeed, they want Red Hat and everyone else to fail. Novell wants to survive the onslaught and is willing to create any disruption that will bring them favor.
In actuality, a partnership that was really in the interest of these companies and their customers would be interoperability via APIs and protocols that included patent protections for the codebase, and not the corporate entity. Not misty fictions like "legal" and "not necessarily illegal, until we get a court rulling or two in our favor and sue the crap out of you" deals.
Neither Linux, nor open source needs anything from MS (or from Novell for that matter) to become what is has become or continue. This is a desperate move by a sad shell of a company and their sleazy rich uncle.
> It's not the government's job to sort out your stupid business problems
It is their job to un-fuck copyright law, though.
--jeremy
Here's a hip hop Halloween video to go with the CDs. It's awesome, if only for the appearance of Dragon Mummy and the revelation that werewolves can give people Parkinson's disease. CC licensed BY-NC-ND.
Monster Rap:
http://www.lulu.tv/?p=3904
Try out Lulu TV for doing short videos/trailers/webisodes and Lulu.com for DVD sales. Lulu TV converts to Flash for browser viewing, MP4 for iPod/PSP and 3GP for phones. We support OGG uploads, and will support the Gnash player when it releases. You also get your own RSS feeds, etc.
I work there, so I could just be a shill. But it's free, so you've nothing to lose by trying.
We have a guy using Lulu TV for webisodes of a documentary he's filming to raise funds and drive awareness. It's also a good place for all the footage he can't use for the film. He sells the DVDs of another documentary via Lulu.com:
http://www.lulu.tv/vlog/robhill
http://www.lulu.com/fortfisherhermit
> [...] sales "closely track Billboard."
Right, and Billboard and iTunes both only look at, care about, and pimp "head content". There is not nearly enough tail content in iTunes to make any real determination as to how it affects sales.
--jeremy
Actually, no one pays to watch the content. People who create videos can pay to have enhanced hosting (greater clip sizes, etc) and in return, we give them back 80% of that revenue, paid based on their share of the traffic.
So we are paying creators in direct proportion to their virality. And we don't use ads to do it.
There is also a free account that you can host an unlimited number of ~32M clips.
--jeremy
> I think what you want to be is, in effect, like Switzerland - you want to be the people of unquestionable integrity.
Ahh yes. The unquestionable integrity of hidden bank accounts, tax shelters, war profiteering and Nazi gold. What a jackass.
I read every RH related comment roughly as "See what we want to do is be *exactly* like Red Hat, all the while bashing Red Hat" (e.g. "influence but not own Linux, switch to Gnome default, Burlington Coat Factory customer references" etc).
Also, I doubt there's any such public proclamation of Red Hat aspiring to be the M$ of Linux that meant "the unstoppable soul swallowing juggernaut whore goddess". They probably meant "successful". And analysts need a metaphor of success, so they don't have to think so hard.
These guys should worry about being the "Novell of Linux", whatever that is beyond a cautionary tale, But it will at least be *their* tale.
I don't know what purpose it serves, but art doesn't need a purpose. It's a nice little instant subliminal/incidental art maker. Not unlike the patterns formed by city workers continually painting over graffiti.
Assembling all that noise and making it at all tolerable to watch or hear is neat. It still made more sense to me than anything I've seen on Fox News in 6 years.
And if you watch there are a number of happy accidents. Like assembling a shot of riot police under narration talking about fighting Iraqi insurgents, or toggling the top of a talking head's head off everytime he opens his mouth.
Lulu isn't actually the publisher, these kits were published by the projects themselves, or by a member. And of the projects in there now, only Fedora has an aggressive update cycle. The docs include info on how to get updates.
IANAL, but I would think Apple would walk this line very tightly. They wouldn't want to set their own "Inducement Act" precedent, would they?
>This is what they include -which is not open source:
All non-free software add ons and plug-ins are available on a seperate disc.
>There was a time not too long ago when Microsoft barely recognized the existence of Linux.
_x_ First they ignore you,
_x_ then they laugh at you,
_x_ then they fight you,
___ then you win.
So for the canned answer go to:
http://www.redhat.com/mktg/which_rhl/
But most of the folks in this thread have summed it up just as well.
1) If you need 5-7 yr lifecycle, extended product/tech support, ISV certification, go with the Red Hat Enterprise Linux line
2) If you are more of a do-it-yourselfer, need more recent bells and/or whistles, have a smaller deployment, with less dependance on third party solutions go with Red Hat Linux (or the vendor that you already know, etc)
A few things I wanted to clarify:
When the fellow mentions the "stability" trade off, that means stability of the API/ABI, libraries, etc... not how often it crashes or not.
Also tech support and RHN are indeed available for both lines. There was a post that indicated that we took away RHN for his product. We limited the free/demo RHN product. While he could have purchased the full version, switching to BSD worked for him.
Lastly, for those who have pointed out the gap we seem to have left between hobbyist and enterprise, we are looking into that as well. We are always looking to fill in the gaps in our offering.
I've seen a couple of comments that an admin can say it's no viable and opt into proprietary solutions. That the bill is unenforcable or accomplishes little. Consider this:
1) It gets F/OSS on the list of allowable purchases
2) Portland school districts estimate 1.5M in licensing alone as pre-bill adopters. Savings indicative of larger statewide saving spotential.
3) Incentive for gov't focused VARs to deploy
4) Precludes use of EULA 6 type licensing
5) Considers the disposition of the a merit, protects integrity of public data systems
Not all of the benefits translate directly to savings, some will beget savings, some will encourage out of the box thinking, some are just the right things to do.
Scarier still, since Kesey's dead.
Well, make one or both of them stable, and maybe we'll have a new pet.
Anything calling itself Advanced Server should not ship with buggy components.
The GPL requires that we make GPL and GPL derivative source code available to recipients of the binaries. We do that, AND post the source on ftp for anyone to use, which we don't have to do for this or any other of our products which are posted on ftp. We feel we should adhere to the spirit of the GPL as much as to the letter.
,services, RHN, and in some cases ISV/IHV support.
AS has a stack of support and services that require a fee for use, reality is that no one will stop you from building your own or installing on multiple machines. But you won't get full support,
Only part of the value of AS lay in the bits.
We have an eval edition as well. Or you could download it.
Not to mention that ISVs certify against AS, so having the base product in the COE was not as useful for the gov't.