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OLPC Launches Buy One, Give One Free Program

Tha_Big_Guy23 writes "For the first time, and for a limited period only, people in North America will be able to get their hands on the XO, MIT professor Nicholas Negroponte's rugged little laptop that's designed specifically for children. And for each cutting-edge XO purchased in the West, another will be given to a child in a developing country. For $399, customers can order a laptop for themselves; bundled into the price is the cost of delivering a second XO to a child a poor country."

282 comments

  1. Other options? by ScorpFromHell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With so many other options for low cost linux based laptops coming up, how many would lap up the XOs? Yeah some geeks & some philanthropists ... the tech loving & God fearing maybe ... but will it sell like the Dells?

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    1. Re:Other options? by j-pimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With so many other options for low cost linux based laptops coming up, how many would lap up the XOs? Yeah some geeks & some philanthropists ... the tech loving & God fearing maybe ... but will it sell like the Dells?

      I think their going for the philanthropist geeks. If they sell a thousand at this price they can move towards lowering the price.

      Do they say how much of the money is shipping to the third world country? I would think if they picked one Costal City for the initial recipients, it would be cheap to ship the laptops via ship and have a local volunteer or two distribute them to the children.

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    2. Re:Other options? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      We all know how sturdy the cheap Dells and Acers are going to be. I bet they will get great battery life too.

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    3. Re:Other options? by ScorpFromHell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But certainly Asus eeepc will be a better option if not Dell/Acer?

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    4. Re:Other options? by semiotec · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, you make it sound like being a geek or philanthropist are bad things or deviant from normal behaviour.

      Second, are only the God-fearing allowed to help others? only tech-loving people should play with gadgets? You wouldn't bother helping others unless there was some strong incentive to do so? Your curiosity is only limited to that which you are familiar with? I don't wish to judge you from the few words you have typed in the comment, but the world-view presented within them seems to be extremely narrow and dogmatic. If makes you sound like the people I see who'd go bargain-hunting at charity auctions.

      I am sure you are a good person in your daily life.

    5. Re:Other options? by magarity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do they say how much of the money is shipping to the third world country?
       
      Since the price is $399 for 2 and the manufacturing costs are "about" $180 each, that leaves $20, or about 10%, for distribution and other miscellandy costs.
       
      I wonder if that's enough to cover the 'gratuities' to 3rd world customs officials who just want a little extra something for themselves no matter what it being transported.

    6. Re:Other options? by DrWho520 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why God fearing? Where does that come from? I would hope that people today would give without "fearing" God. I mean, people do not need religion to teach them what is right, correct? That is what I hear, anyway. Comments like this, however, make me very much question that statement.
      By the way, people who give out of love for their fellow man are God loving. Those who are God fearing send money to the Christian Coalition and try to legislate everyone else's behavior.

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    7. Re:Other options? by ScorpFromHell · · Score: 2

      No, I don't have anything against geeks or philanthropists ... I consider myself to be a bit of both.

      I run a group which implements Edubuntu and other FOSS at poorer schools in India for free. So, am naturally interested in XO & all its alternatives out there to better utilize the meager funds (so far zilch) we have.

      And I have a vested interested in the success of this buy one donate one concept as it will help groups like ours & many more.

      I only put up an honest query and not any rhetoric. I really want to know if the average Joe in the 'developed' countries would really buy these when they get cheaper deals from others like ASUS Eee PC, that do not donate any PC to the 'under developed' countries. I do not know the demography of the typical customer in the 'developed' countries first hand or otherwise. So put up the query.

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    8. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, you make it sound like being a geek or philanthropist are bad things or deviant from normal behaviour. Second, are only the God-loving allowed to help others? only tech-loving people should play with gadgets? You wouldn't bother helping others unless there was some strong incentive to do so? Your curiosity is only limited to that which you are familiar with? I don't wish to judge you from the few words you have typed in the comment, but the world-view presented within them seems to be extremely narrow and dogmatic. If makes you sound like the people I see who'd go bargain-hunting at charity auctions. I am sure you are a good person in your daily life.
      There, fixed it for ya!
    9. Re:Other options? by AmaDaden · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yeah that's about right. I just ordered one. Here are my numbers right from the confermation email. But I think the sipping might be for my laptop not the one being donated. It was calculated after I entered my address

      Payment Details Item Price: $399.00 USD
      Total Shipping: $24.95 USD
      Total: $423.95 USD
      Order Description: G1G1 program donation
    10. Re:Other options? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      I intend to buy one solely for the high res B&W screen. If they still sport that....I stopped paying attention because I thought they weren't planning to sell these to the public.

      And I'm someone who spends a lot of time in the countries where these will be distributed. I expect to be able to trade into one relatively cheap, but I'm also happy to support the cause.

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    11. Re:Other options? by Etyenne · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have held both an XO and an Eee in my hands (and a ClassMate, too), and the XO clearly beat the competition in term of built and robustness. It was built expressly for the purpose of surviving usage poor condition (dust, humidity, heat) and are totally centered around the needs of kids, while the Eee and ClassMate where built to be a shrunk-down imitation of full-sized laptop and be as cheap as possible.

      As an adult, I prefer the Eee though, mostly because I do not like the XO rubberized keyboard.

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    12. Re:Other options? by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The XO is:
      1) Same price (4GB w/ camera, less after tax deduction)
      2) includes a donation.

      Does the better CPU and RAM beet the low power usage reflective mode? I would have to see it to know.

      Also, pull chord is a very compelling extra (don't know if it will be available though).

      The spill-proof design also has some value to me (business part is in screen and keyboard is sealed).

      I personally can't wait to see what the XO gets for it in the hands of hackers (either in the form of full distros or addons to sugar OS).

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    13. Re:Other options? by semiotec · · Score: 1

      Like I said, I am sure you are a good person in your daily life.

      Nevertheless, your original comment suggest that you think that the "average Joes" are only charitable if they are God-fearing? That it takes some "special" people to do good for others?

      Would you be interested in the success of the OLPC project if it has absolutely zero bearing on your group?

      It is not the aim of OLPC to sell like Dells in developed countries, in case you haven't noticed already. Its hardware and software specifications are far from "normal" usages in such countries, but not far _below_, since in many areas it certain excels. This "give one get one" program serves to bring higher awareness among the developed countries, as the presence of some of these machines will certain generate interest and queries among those who were not previous aware of them.

    14. Re:Other options? by semiotec · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand the concept of quotation.

      Generally, one is not supposed to change the actual words used.

    15. Re:Other options? by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually the Bible frequently talks of the fear of God in a positive sense and being in no way opposed to God loving. A major theme of the book of Proverbs (and the Psalms for that matter) is that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

    16. Re:Other options? by MacTO · · Score: 1

      I would think if they picked one Costal City for the initial recipients, it would be cheap to ship the laptops via ship and have a local volunteer or two distribute them to the children. I went to a local talk on the OLPC a while back, and yes they have considered the shipping aspects. While they didn't mention cost, perhaps because its almost secondary when you're dealing with palettes of computers and corruption, but they were definitely concerned about the security angle.
    17. Re:Other options? by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative
      I think you've missed the point of the OLPC. It's not about a 'low cost linux laptop'. It's a computer designed for group work (mesh network), rugged to take abuse, daylight viewable screen, and educational software.

      "It's an education project, not a laptop project." -- Nicholas Negroponte

      If you want a cheap laptop, buy the Asus or Dell for $400+. If you want an educational computer designed for kids, buy the OLPC.

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    18. Re:Other options? by should_be_linear · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long before we see all-in-one chip with CPU + GPU + Flash (32GB) + Sound + 1Gb Net + 2GB RAM. At price around $100 would be huge for low-end computers at K-Mart and Co. Such chip would allow for really small box at low price that works well with all "normal" applications (everything minus games and file servers). Maybe AMD/Intel don't want to cut own profits by such design, but VIA could try it, however I am not sure they own flash technology (GPU from VIA is nothing special too, but DVI support would be sufficient in this case).

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    19. Re:Other options? by grumbel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My main reason for wanting a OLPC XO is that it can be used as eBook Reader, i.e. the screen can be rotated and the thing converted into a tablet, none of the other cheap laptops I have seen so far allow that, heck, even the non-cheap laptops don't allow that, only the really expensive ones. And all the special eBook reader are far more expensive then the OLPC XO. The only other device that seems to come close is the Nokia N770/N800/N810, but they are all rather small.

      When it comes to selling, we have to wait and see. Currently the OLPC isn't even sold by normal means, you can buy two for the price of one, but only when you are in the USA and only when you order it in the next two weeks or so, which kind of limits it to how many people can buy one.

      I'd love to buy one, but I guess I have to wait a little longer till its even available here in germany.

    20. Re:Other options? by ScorpFromHell · · Score: 1

      One doesn't have to be a geek to be tech loving ... and one doesn't have to be God fearing (/loving) to be a philanthropist.

      And I thought 'God fearing' actually means 'God loving'? English is not my native language neither is Christianity my religion, so I might have erred.

      And the reason why I wondered if it will sell like Dells is because I inherently want more XOs to sell. And it doesn't matter if my group benefits out of it, heck our group is not for personal benefits in the first place!

      And yeah, I was following OLPC even before I formed my group, especially since India was critical about it & refused to join it. So I am interested in the OLPC project & its success even if it has zero bearing on my group. Surely, by success, you mean better education for the under privileged?

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    21. Re:Other options? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      For that price, there has to be either some philanthropy involved, or just some geekiness in messing around with the machine. I got a laptop that is much better for about $CDN 450. If you just need a laptop, and don't care about giving to third world nations, or the geek appeal, there are many other better options. However, with that said, I think that this concept might sell quite a few laptops.

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    22. Re:Other options? by secolactico · · Score: 1

      Your are quite correct. You can get for about $400 a much "suitable" laptop. Still, I will get myself one (and donate one) for the very reasons you stated. Philantropy (even tho I'm not rich nor I'm generous) and it looks like a cool toy and a functional one to boot. Separately, none of those reasons would compel me to participate in the program.

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    23. Re:Other options? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Look up, maybe you'll spot it.

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    24. Re:Other options? by jeremy_hogan · · Score: 1

      While there are other laptops in this price range, this one has features specially designed for this cause. The battery lasts longer than most, and can be manually recharged, it's virtually dust proof, and drop proof, it automatically mesh networks to chain an Internet connection (with crazy range on the wireless), you can switch to a code view of whatever program you're running, etc.

      Sharing and learning about technology where power and 'Net access are scarce is what this is about, not just the price, though the press has made the most of the cost instead of the cause.

    25. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is quite possible to both love god and fear God. One loves God because God gave us life, and regardless of God's mercy, it is difficult not to have at least a healthy doe of fear of a begin powerful enough to create and destroy a universe should that being so desire.

      Completely aside from that however, perhaps if a few people did indeed fear God, it might not be such a bad thing. Most parents will tell you that "they hope their children love and respect them, barring that, a healthy dose of fear will work". It would be wonderful if mankind did the right thing out of love of God and fellow man. Though not as good, also acceptable would be if mankind did what was right out of fear of a wrathful God. Either way, the right thing gets done.

    26. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To expound a little, you're supposed to be in a healthy, positive relationship with God. He loves you, you love him, all that fluffy stuff. You don't want a cowering fear, a "do good things or else" fear. You're supposed to do good things because you want to be a good person, which makes God happy.

      Those of you who have been in the right kind of relationship (/. joke here) may recognize a fear that you'll somehow be a disappointment to the other person, make them sad, cause them grief, or even just not-do-all-you-can to make them happy. It shouldn't be a crippling fear, or anything like that.

      Go look at Mother Teresa, if you want a good example.

    27. Re:Other options? by eean · · Score: 1

      I've used a OLPC and it was clearly just a toy. Very slow etc, not able to run normal Linux software.

      Intel's program does seem more compelling, and the Asus EeePC is just neat.

      In both instances I'm not quite sure its a good program. The laptop programs in the US have pretty much been universal failures. Of course we don't have much of a digital divide in the US, so I could see how having a laptop when before you had no computer access would be beneficial.

    28. Re:Other options? by supersocialist · · Score: 1

      Success for OLPC must be defined in the traditional capitalist sense, since the fund operates in a capitalist society. Merely improving education would be great, but it's not sustainable without some kind of business model or donation system. OLPC will have to succeed as a hardware manufacturer in some sense in order to succeed in their primary goal of improving education. God fear/love is a tricky line, because of course both terms mean slightly different things to different people and groups of people. They both suggest obedience to God, this is true, but it's arguable that obedience under duress (ie, fear of god) isn't "legitimate" faith.

    29. Re:Other options? by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      You might be able to make it into a wireless go anywhere thin client for companies.

    30. Re:Other options? by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      I ordred an XO at 6:00am. I did not see accessories offered explicitly. It seems like with the low power requirment, you can find all kinds of hooptie ways to charge it.

    31. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't it make you feel all soft and warm inside? Hopefully not. Who wants to work their asses off to pay for some useless black parasite in The Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, or South Africa, to have an OLPC? What are the chances of these useless fuckers ever doing anything USEFUL and even slightly UNSELFISH with an OLPC? Fucking liberal hand-wringers...
      If THEY want to help Africans - let the liberals go and live amongst all that lovely 'divershitty' themselves...

    32. Re:Other options? by Etyenne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Re not being able to run "normal" Linux software, I think it is really a matter of considering the use case and scope of what the XO is trying to achieve. The CPU should be plenty fast enough for a custom web browser, text editing software and IM. "Normal" Linux software, such as Firefox and OpenOffice, do not really scale down to such a tiny screen anyway, so you have to think outside the box a bit when choosing application for these platform. I think power consumption and cost are more important factors that raw CPU power in the use case that the XO is targeting.

      BTW, I have seen Compiz running on the ClassMate. Cool, but ... what the heck ?

      The ClassMate is almost ruggedized enough with the vinyl wallet, but I would trust an XO better in the hand (and school backpack) of my daughter. I would never let her handle a Eee, it is way too flimsy for kids (although the best overall package for adults).

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    33. Re:Other options? by evrybodygonsurfin · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK so am excluded from this offer but, to me, the idea of a low-cost laptop with wifi running Linux that is designed for kids to bash around sounds like a very attractive way to introduce my kids to computers.

    34. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, I think you might be onto something - something like Ayn Rand's slashdot pseudonym

    35. Re:Other options? by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      >>Order Description: G1G1 program donation

      Interesting that it's listed as a donation. Perhaps it's tax deductible?

    36. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you look up in the original post where it reads "God fearing".

      Idiot.

    37. Re:Other options? by timothy · · Score: 1

      The browser, anyhow, is at least a variant of Firefox, right?

      And AbiWord is there (in the guise of the writing activity) -- slimmed down, OK, but it's "normal" enough to write letters, etc.

      As you say, plenty of horsepower for the tasks it's designed for, and enough for playing Flash videos, shooting little movies with the built-in camera, etc. I considered an EEE (much better *looking* IMO), but definitely prefer a laptop engineered to be kid-tough. (Isn't that the slogan of some toy company?)

      timothy

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    38. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depends on whether those other options came without a harddisk and with the wind-up charging capability, and the ability to mesh with each other. Those two make it kinda rugged and able to be used as field computers for civil engineering applications. Typically, those situations don't require very powerful devices but the ruggedness of not having a harddisk, the ability to charge them when power may not be conveniently close and to setup constant backup to a not too faraway computer (in the truck or the shed), via meshing gives the system a pretty decent robustness and usability in difficult conditions. There is definitely a market for that. Surveyors would probably also be interested. Anyone who has to work in the boonies.

    39. Re:Other options? by lakeland · · Score: 1

      You're largely correct.

      There are a few amazing features in the OLPC which are unavailable in any other laptop at any price - mainly related to power saving and robustness. But generally speaking, this isn't supposed to be good value - it is supposed to be a way to encourage geeks to donate to OLPC.

    40. Re:Other options? by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      India has reversed their stance, and has purchased a small batch of OLPC laptops to evaluate. They've scrapped their "$10 laptop" project as unfeasible. Apparently, developing a low-cost, robust, durable hardware platform was more challenging than they originally anticipated.

      I'm already in for one. The OLPC is really the first project of its kind to reach some level of success, and it looks like it could take off if it can achieve critical mass.

      My opinion is that even if OLPC eventually fails, they will have laid a lot of the groundwork for successor projects to come. Right now, they are the people that I can donate funds to to bring this sort of project to fruition.

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    41. Re:Other options? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see anyone else offering a laptop with a front-lit greyscale screen. The fact that it's more durable than anything else costing less than about $2500 is a nice bonus.

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    42. Re:Other options? by eean · · Score: 1

      Well in my experience it could hardly run the software it had. It just felt very slow.

      I suppose for young children it is probably OK, but it would need to be coupled with real computers for older students.

      But really I don't buy into the whole notion of OLPC... why not One or Two Decent Computer Classrooms Per School (OTDCCPS?). It would just be a question of logistics and funding, no new tech needed for a $200 desktop in bulk.

      OLPC/Classmate is sexy and cool sounding in a candyland and unicorns kind of way, but not in a "we've done research and this really helps" way.

    43. Re:Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, semiotic, you forgot to log on. You stupid dot-head cunt.

    44. Re:Other options? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You mean introducing them to the concept of not bloody touching your computer. And I totally agree.

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    45. Re:Other options? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      the screen can be rotated and the thing converted into a tablet

      Actually, no. To be a tablet it needs more than a rotating screen; it also needs a touchscreen or digitizer. I'm pretty sure the XO doesn't have that.

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    46. Re:Other options? by xappax · · Score: 1

      but not in a "we've done research and this really helps" way.

      You just dissed their method because you were pretty sure for some vague reason that they hadn't done any research to back it up. Then you advanced your own educational method without anything whatsoever to back it up.

      I'm not a teacher or researcher, but I can give the anecdotal experiences of my friends and I in elementary school. We had a computer lab, even a computer class where we got to do nothing but interact with the computers. But we never really learned much from that. My first really engaging experiences with computer were when I was stuck at school at the end of the day, and the teacher signed me in to a computer and let me do whatever I wanted to pass the time. During those times, the time spent with the machine was mine, not part of school, and I could do things that interested me.

      Shortly after those experiences, I got a computer at home, and it was a whole new world. I had effectively endless unstructured time to mess around with it, figure out how to make it play games, get online, etc. Owning the thing gave me the freedom to use it outside of school, and that's what really got me engaged.

    47. Re:Other options? by lmpeters · · Score: 1

      I work at a nature preserve. I know a lot of people who would LOVE to have a laptop that is rugged enough for outdoor use and has a screen that's readable in daylight. Not to mention the fact that, if it were used on a prolonged trip, it has a 6-hour battery life and can be recharged by a simple hand crank if needed.

      I don't think that my MacBook Pro or the Asus Eee could survive the rigors of what we do for long, and our environment is comparatively mild (Sonoma Mountain, about 40 miles north of San Francisco). Not to mention that you'd have to sit in a shady spot under a tree just to be able to read the display.

    48. Re:Other options? by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it says it has a touchpad suitable for finger or stylus use, and nothing about a touchscreen. But, since it can convert into a tablet formfactor (if not an actual tablet), and has a directional pad and buttons in the bezel, it should be great for reading ebooks.

    49. Re:Other options? by eean · · Score: 1

      Yes your right, outside of some conservative argument (teachers have always taught things in classrooms, why not computers) my idea doesn't really have more merit.

      What you say about messing with your computer and figuring out how to do stuff was kind of what I was saying as to why the OLPC laptop isn't so great. You can't go on the internet and find a community of hundreds of thousands writing stuff for your laptop, since it lives in its own world. Granted I'm sure they want to build such a community, but it will never be as deep as the normal Linux desktop community. It just felt so limiting to me.

    50. Re:Other options? by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      Old Testament or New? Also, hello Mr. Boyd good to see you again =)

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    51. Re:Other options? by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1

      Good to see you too :) Though when I see your name, I picture a chunky monkey, rather than a chucky one.

      References to the fear of God are of course more prominent in the OT, but Jesus does validate them all as pointing towards him in Luke 24 when he says that the Law and the Prophets )i.e. the Old Testament) are about him and Paul's writings in his letters to the Corinthians concerning wisdom highlight Christ as true wisdom, which steers us in the direction of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes (and Psalms) to find out more about the wisdom of Christ. A quick check reveals that the phrase 'fear of God' at least occurs in 2 Cor 7 in reference to bringing holiness to completion. It may occur elsewhere, but I'd have to look up my Geek grammar to make sure I'm putting the right terms into the search program and right now I'm a little sleepy.

      Instead, here's the Hebrew behind the word for fear in Psalm 112:

      'to be afraid, be frightened; to revere, respect; to be awesome, be dreadful, be feared; to frighten, terrify, intimidate; in some contexts fear relates to terror and fright, in other contexts fear relates to honor, respect and awe, as in "the fear of the LORD"

      In some contexts, there is a potential conflict between love and fear (although just because someone fears you doesn't mean you don't love them), but in others, there seems to be more of a connection e.g. in relation in honour, respect and awe.

      Hope this is in some way useful. My brain is somewhat fried (and frozen - a bad combination) at the moment, so it may be churning out little of any sense.

    52. Re:Other options? by xappax · · Score: 1

      You can't go on the internet and find a community of hundreds of thousands writing stuff for your laptop, since it lives in its own world. Granted I'm sure they want to build such a community, but it will never be as deep as the normal Linux desktop community.

      Ok, so you're not going to be able to install Ubuntu packages, but it is still running Linux, it's basically just a new distro. It's not like it's that hard to put existing software into packages for a new distro - people do it every time a new version of any distro comes out.

      Alternatively, you could look at it as a feature: There's this new, undeveloped open-source platform that's unique to the third world. It's a gold-plated invitation to third-world entrepreneurs. This creates a niche market where people in the third world can learn to program, and profit from those skills by doing development for their own communities as opposed to first world code sweatshops. It also makes it more likely that the platform will evolve to suit their unique needs, instead of the people evolving to fit the expectations and requirements of preexisting first world software projects.

    53. Re:Other options? by eean · · Score: 1

      Except it looks nothing like any other linux distro, and most existing software is probably too hefty to run on it. Everything bundled with it has been heavily modified.

    54. Re:Other options? by xappax · · Score: 1

      it looks nothing like any other linux distro

      Neither does IPodLinux or Puppy Linux, or OpenWRT, both of which are designed to run on machines with even worse specs than the XO-1. However, they have very active user communities and are able to run a lot of "mainstream" Linux software (not so much on the IPod, but you'd be surprised!).

      I think the idea that if a project isn't using high-end hardware and running a "Top 5" linux distro then it's somehow alienated from the open source community is ignoring the long tradition of running Linux on unconventional platforms. The history of Linux and open source strongly suggests that it will be possible, if not trivial, to port all sorts of mainstream software to a totally new hardware platform.

  2. Nice Chance for a Donation by blh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just ordered one a few hours ago.

    Nice way to help a worthy cause and not a bad deal for a years t-mobile service.

    1. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      "a years t-mobile service."? I don't see where you got this.

      I also don't see where to buy one... I went to laptop.org, but can only find the 'donate money' area, not somewhere I can buy 2 to get one. (It occurs to me that this might make a good present for my niece.)

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    2. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by tb3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe you went to the wrong site, but it's quite obvious here. $399 for two laptops, one is given to a child in a developing nation. The cost of the second laptop is considered a charitable donation and is tax-deductible. The T-Mobile info is on that page, too.

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    3. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by desNotes · · Score: 1

      Just finished placing my order for one. Agree, it is a worthy cause and would like a first hand ability to experiment with the it.

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    4. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by LMacG · · Score: 1

      I had to reload the page (laptopgiving.org) several times before the pictures and links showed up.

      As for T-Mobile, they are giving one year of free Wi-Fi access, so you can use your XO, or any WiFi device, at Starbucks, Borders, several US airports, etc. It's not free mobile phone service.

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    5. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by Sir_Kurt · · Score: 1

      I ordered two just now. I plan to keep one and give one away. This is a great way to kickstart the project. Benefits include increasing the number of Linux desktops out there. Hopefully this will help break the Redmond monopoly, as well as provide an interesting tool to children worldwide.

        Furthermore, I like the fact that I get a $200. tax deduction for each laptop. The free T-mobile account is just gravy.

      Kurt

    6. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      I see a description of the program, a link to "Find out more" about the T-mobile wireless, and a link to "Please review our terms and conditions," (which is incidentally missing the link to go with the "to review our privacy policy please click here link.")

      I don't see any link for actually placing an order though. I suppose i could try calling the number at the bottom during lunch though.

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    7. Re:Nice Chance for a Donation by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      I should have spent a little longer investigating the issue before posting. After examining the source i found a link to paypal using an gif from ebay as the image for the button. However ebay is blocked by websense, so the button isn't showing up at all. I could try to reconstruct the link myself since paypay itself doesn't seem to be blocked for some reason, but it looks like it involves some big ass encryption key, so it's probably easier just to wait for the filter to go down during lunch and order then.

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  3. With the current state of the dollar by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    it won't be long until a couple of insert third word currency of choice will equal $399 and the deal will be reversed.

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  4. North America has poor folks too! by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Though I do not underestimate the level of need in the so called "poor" world, I wonder why the OLPC folks think everyone in America can afford this PC. We have poverty in America too, and people are living from hand to mouth.

    I will agree that what America has is what I could call "material prosperity". There appears to be infrastructure everywhere but people are hurting in the pockets. These days, the American dollar has also taken a hit, so everyday stuff is expensive.

    1. Re:North America has poor folks too! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      From my (admittedly limited) understanding of economics, there will always be a poorer class and have-nots. That being said, why should we focus on ourselves and not give to others that have needs.

      I would rather give a computer to someone I don't know (and enable them to learn), than give nothing.

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    2. Re:North America has poor folks too! by 8tim8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though I do not underestimate the level of need in the so called "poor" world, I wonder why the OLPC folks think everyone in America can afford this PC.

      Um, is there a statement from the OLPC people where they say that everyone in NA can afford one? It seems to me that they only said that individuals in NA can buy one, if they want. There is no comment about the "material prosperity" of everyone on this continent.

      Now that I think about it, the title of your comment is "North America has poor folks too!" yet you only reference [the United States of] America. There are a couple of other countries on this continent, too, don't forget.

    3. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, America does have poor people, but many of them will balk at the idea of having to crank their laptop to get it running.

    4. Re:North America has poor folks too! by kebes · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wonder why the OLPC folks think everyone in America can afford this PC. OLPC is a non-profit who will sell large shipments of XO laptops to any educational customer requesting them. Nothing stops the US from putting in an order for a bunch of laptops for underprivileged children. In fact, apparently Massachusetts and Maine are already involved.

      Yes, OLPC is focusing their efforts on third-world countries, but also the US education system is mostly ignoring OLPC. The "why" is fairly simple: it's not because US children do not deserve a good education, and not because they wouldn't benefit from computer access. But, the fact is that the US is structured such that OLPC may not be the "best fit." For instance many libraries in the US have computers in them, and many schools do also. It would appear that in the US the effort is being put into these kinds of educational resources. Whether or not that is the best way to spend US education dollars is of course up for debate.

      But it's not really fair to imply that OLPC is ignoring US education. As I said, educational institutes in the US are free to make a case for funding such projects. OLPC will gladly ship the units.
    5. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather give a computer to someone I don't know (and enable them to learn), than give nothing.

      I don't think that's the question. Why not focus on ourselves first? Arguably, helping more citizens in whatever country you happen to live in will have an impact on your life faster. As more people escape from poverty, crime rates go down. The quality of living goes up across the board.

      There's certainly nothing wrong with helping people out around the globe, but you'd probably get a better return faster on the charity that's close to home.

    6. Re:North America has poor folks too! by magarity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Though I do not underestimate the level of need in the so called "poor" world
       
      The 'poor' in America are ONLY poor in relative terms. In China, which has an up and coming boom economy, I saw people living in such abject poverty and squalor that I can't even imagine how crappy it must be in Saharan Africa where apparently people have it really rough. Panhandlers at the traffic lights here in the US have it easy compared to 95% of the 'working class' people I saw there. However, even the poorest Chinese was busting butt to better their circumstances and even the most ignorant understood that education for the children was the best way to better the entire family. How many of the poor in the US understand that vs how many understand how to wait for the next handout? Sorry, but I've worked too much with the poor in the US and become completely disillusioned with any romantic notions of how all they need is a little more 'help'. They need the help withdrawn so they'll have a little motivation.

    7. Re:North America has poor folks too! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Sure, for a faster return you should always give locally.

      But for a better long-term return (think decades down the line), give globally. There is no long-term benefit in keeping people uneducated globally.

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    8. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Tupper · · Score: 1

      Uh, these laptops have a plain old 12VDC connector, no hand cranking required.

    9. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are they poor because they're fat and lazy, or are they fat and lazy because they're poor?

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    10. Re:North America has poor folks too! by argmanah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, even the poorest Chinese was busting butt to better their circumstances and even the most ignorant understood that education for the children was the best way to better the entire family. That's generally true, but part of the reason is that in Chinese culture, you are expected to take care of your parents to a much greater degree than we are expected to here in the U.S. While any decent parent would want their child to have better than what they themselves had, that part of the culture motivates the less decent ones as well.
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    11. Re:North America has poor folks too! by SirStiff · · Score: 1

      Maybe there could be an option for Canadians buy a laptop and send one to an American child.

    12. Re:North America has poor folks too! by reclusivemonkey · · Score: 1

      Try living in "Rip Off" Britain!

    13. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Explodicle · · Score: 1

      Yes, America does have poor people, but many of them will balk at the idea of having to crank their laptop to get it running. That was just on an earlier model of the laptop. Now the laptop by default can be plugged into the wall, and the crank is an optional attachment.
    14. Re:North America has poor folks too! by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Informative

      But it's not really fair to imply that OLPC is ignoring US education. As I said, educational institutes in the US are free to make a case for funding such projects. OLPC will gladly ship the units.
      I disagree. Nicholas Negroponte in the past had flat refused to sell the computer to US schools. Only when it was looking like he wasn't going to get enough orders to begin mass -production did he start to *consider* it. Here's a snippet from a good Ars Technica article:

      OLPC founder Nicholas Negroponte had previously rejected the prospect of selling XO laptops to schools in the United States, but is now seriously reconsidering. According to Negroponte, the laptops would be sold at a higher price in the United States than in developing countries.
      So only after low order numbers and higher-than-expected unit costs did the OLPC project even consider selling to the US.

      I was unable to find out whether Negroponte ultimately changed his mind, but it's unfair to say that US schools just aren't interested. They do want the OLPC, but foundation said "no" (at least in the beginning).
    15. Re:North America has poor folks too! by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      Yes there are poor people here but everyone who wants one can have a computer. We put many working computers in landfill every year. I've tried to give away working computers. The response is mostly "what's ionside? Oh it's three years old I can't use it."

    16. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Zephyr14z · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can tell you from experience that being poor is shitty enough as to be motivation to better your circumstances all by itself. Withdrawing what tiny amount of help is given by people or governments is just going to make the poor bitter, angry, and violent. Very few people are poor because they want to be.

    17. Re:North America has poor folks too! by jrmcdaniel · · Score: 1

      While I like the buy-1-give-1 approach, how about a buy-1-get-1, too. Time Magazine (11/12/2007) said that anyone can buy one for $150 -- they forgot to tell anyone where!

    18. Re:North America has poor folks too! by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Maine already has one laptop per child (at least from 7th-12th grade). Kids there have been using iBooks and OS X for some time now. I don't think OLPC is going to meet their needs at this point. There are some real pockets of poverty in Maine (although nothing approaching sub-saharan Africa levels) and the laptops have been beneficial to education there. All the "what about here at home?" people should take a look around them. There is more than enough wealth for education reform here already. It's a matter of priorities.

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    19. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be expecting a bit much, given that many Americans have trouble remembering that there are a couple of other countries in this world , too.

    20. Re:North America has poor folks too! by yada21 · · Score: 1

      There are a couple of other countries on this continent, too, don't forget.
      Canada, but [sarcasm] they're communist so nobody's poor there [/sarcasm]
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    21. Re:North America has poor folks too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're poor, fat and lazy because they're niggers.

    22. Re:North America has poor folks too! by mikemikef · · Score: 1

      One problem with charity here is that the both the poor receivers and rich givers resent the "handout". What is needed is a "handup". We clearly have second, third and forth worlds here. Why not a micro banking loan and the community that goes with the loan so that mothers here can finance the future of their children with a $1 a week or so? ----- Very Respectfully, ----- Michael @ RecoveryByDiscovery.com

  5. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asus has upstaged (and undercut) them with the Eee PC.

    1. Re:Too late by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      How so? The Asus one costs twice as much.

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    2. Re:Too late by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Considering I've been hearing about the OLPC constantly for years so it's permanently etched in my brain, and this post is the first I've heard of the Asus one, I don't think the upstaging has gone very well.

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    3. Re:Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asus has upstaged (and undercut) them with the Eee PC.

      You know that for sure? Cause I was ready to buy an EEE PC, but now I wonder if they even exist.

      The Asus was supposed to be available months ago, but as of yet is still only to be found as pre-orders on Taiwanese web sites. The price also seems to be creeping slowly upwards. And information about why it's late, when exactly it will be available, and what the specs will actually be are sketchy at best.

    4. Re:Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Eee PC is available from Newegg now. The price for the 4G model (only model available for now) is $399. It has 4 times the storage of the XO and an x86 processor and it doesn't look like a toy.

    5. Re:Too late by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      It also has twice of just about everything. 4x the storage, 2x the processor, and 2x RAM. Of course, the OLPC has some very innovative hardware (dual-mode display, stylus/finger touchpad, hardware designed for worst-case environments) and is much more power efficient. That said, I'm more than satisfied with my Eee, and it's perfect for what I bought it for (cheap ultraportable to use on my college campus, and avoiding potential trips to the chiropractor), and I'm using it right now.

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    6. Re:Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's what they've been saying. The XO is for people who live under rocks.

  6. Ordered! by backbyter · · Score: 1

    I've been wanting one of these for my niece. Now she'll have one.

    1. Re:Ordered! by soccerisgod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Me too! For my niece, as well. Pitty I can't get one because I don't live in the US or Canada. Pitty also for a child that has to go without laptop because of that limitation. I assume it's a) because of limited manufacturing capacities and b) logicistics. Still sucks though.

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    2. Re:Ordered! by Portfolio · · Score: 2, Funny

      Got one for my inner child! How can I resist a laptop from the folks who first thought up the DynaBook?

      OK, when I get tired of it, it will probably go to my nephew (whose second birthday happens to be today).

  7. More information... by kebes · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those interested, here's a link to the actual order page.

    The two laptops will cost $399.00 USD, and shipping is $24.95 USD (for a total of $423.95 USD). Open to residents of US and Canada only. Paypal is the default payment option (credit cards are also accepted). Of that, $200 is considered a tax-deductible donation. Your contribution also gets you 1 year of free Wi-Fi access at T-Mobile hotspots.

    The website says that they will try to deliver the laptop before the holidays, but that initial supplies are limited (TFA says 40,000 units in this first month, with 20,000 ready before Christmas), so if you're keen to get one of these things, you should order sooner rather than later.

    I'm certainly curious to see how many orders get put in. If a large number of geeks buy these things as hacking toys, then they could very well become the best platform for a variety of tasks. For example, maybe this will finally be a viable e-book reader (portable, rugged, long battery life, display that can be used in ambient light, etc.). Should be interesting.

    1. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame it is US only. I'm on the look out for a new gadget for Xmas. Looks like it is an Eee PC for me after all.

    2. Re:More information... by aristofanes · · Score: 1

      only a 30 day warranty

    3. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Be careful when paying.

      I ordered one at about 6:40 EST this morning, and when it saw my e-mail was a valid paypal e-mail, wouldn't let me finish the checkout using the credit card info I had already put in.
      Instead, I had to use Paypal, and it ignored my desire to use a Credit Card, and instead hit my account with an instant transfer. (I am beginning to dislike PayPal)

      I had to scramble to transfer funds into the account PayPal chose to take them out of since I had not been using that account for a while.

  8. Is this really a good idea? by CSMatt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm sure that this has probably shown up in other OLPC arguments, but is this project really what the Third World needs? I would imagine that it is far more important to get essentials such as medicine, clean water, food, and adequate shelter before we start worrying about something like this.

    1. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is what they need. Yes it has been brought up. Information/education is what poor countries need to escape poverty... NO ANOTHER BAG OF FREE RICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. Re:Is this really a good idea? by kebes · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sure that this has probably shown up in other OLPC arguments, but is this project really what the Third World needs? That is an oft-cited criticism, and not without merit. However, no one is arguing that OLPC will bring about instantaneous change on its own. Certainly this ambitious project is meant to work in concert with other efforts to help these nations.

      First, it should be noted that OLPC is targeting developing nations where there is some momentum to improve things, but where access to technological resources and information are limiting growth. They are not focusing on the "desperately poor" countries where starvation is the overriding concern (take a look at the participating countries). Second, the XO laptops are meant to work side-by-side with other forms of relief, aid, education, and infrastructure improvement.

      Saying "why bother with OLPC when people are starving?" is like saying "why bother sponsoring a local child to go to a swimming competition when people are starving?" We can simultaneously be philanthropic in different ways to different groups. Moreover, focusing only on the "most dire" problems (and ignoring everything else) is not a good way to help the world as a whole develop into a safer, more equitable place. So, I view OLPC as a part of the overall puzzle: a positive step that can be implemented in some countries, and which will help stimulate those countries to become more prosperous and independent.
    3. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes it is.
      I sponsor a teacher in a school in South Eastern Madagascar. By this, I mean that I pay for her board & lodgings. The government pays her salay (approx $500/year) I have done this for the past 4 years.
      The village where she teaches is 4 hours by 4WD vehicle to the nearest tarmaced road. They have plenty of food, clean fresh water etc. What they lack is the rest of the things that connect them with the outside world. There is 1 TV in the village. I supplied it alone with a solar panel, some car batteries and an inverter. They have a pirated Satellite encoder and can now stay in touch with the outside world. The thirst for knowledge of the children is fantastic. If I were in the US I would buy several of these units for the village.
      The lack of infrastructure(ie no Electricity) is irrelevant for the OLPC. That said, next year I'm hoping to get a small water turbine installed and connected up to a generator. They will have electric light for the first time. Then we can start to make changes to the houses so that the epidemic of lung diseases can be tackled. This is due to the houses not having chimneys and all cooking is done over an open charcoal fire.
      I visited the village again in October. I took supplied of pencils and paper (bought in-country) I also took pictures of the children and printed them out in front of them. They took them home to very proud parents.
      The OLPC concept will help bridge the gap between the 1st world and the bottom parts of the 3rd world.

    4. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exaclty.
      Just like the saying goes. Give a man a match, he'll stay warm for a night, set the man on fire he'll stay warm for the rest of his life.

      ... or was that something about fishing? nevermind.

    5. Re:Is this really a good idea? by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that this has probably shown up in other OLPC arguments, but is this project really what the Third World needs? I would imagine that it is far more important to get essentials such as medicine, clean water, food, and adequate shelter before we start worrying about something like this.

      As an old and wise person once said:

      Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
      Teach a man to fish, and he can starve because while he's been overfishing the lake to exhaustion to supply Kwik-E-Mart, nobody has planted any rice.

      (Or something like that)

      Perhaps if he'd had a better education he'd have set up a local fisherman's co-operative, negotiated a better deal with Kwik-E-Mart and ensured that the profits from fishing were re-invested in local infrastructure. Maybe playing some well-designed ecological simulation games on his OLPC or download some good books on sustainable economics via the clever peer-to-peer mesh network would do this trick. On the other hand, maybe building a proper school with a roof to keep the books dry would also work.

      There was a comment on the OLPC site at one stage about the back-lit display possibly being the first electric light some of the customers had seen. I'm afraid I had an instant image of an OLPC hanging from the roof of a tent casting a wam glow over a family reading books...

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    6. Re:Is this really a good idea? by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      You may not see this reply, since you're posting AC, but I'll try anyway...

      How did you get involved this way? Is there a particular philanthropic/volunteering group you started out with, and then took on this village on your own? Or did you somehow get in contact with them yourself?

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    7. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Not to mention things like peace, law and order, freedom from corruption... at least some of which are prerequisites for the things you said.

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    8. Re:Is this really a good idea? by man_ls · · Score: 1

      I said the same thing in the last OLPC article discussion and got called a racist for some reason.

    9. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Azuma+Hazuki · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Off-topic it may be but I just had to say this: you are one of the people who gives me faith in humanity.

      "And ye shall know them by their works..."

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    10. Re:Is this really a good idea? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Are you..

      Are you playing Sim City.. with a real town?

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    11. Re:Is this really a good idea? by slamb · · Score: 1

      Then we can start to make changes to the houses so that the epidemic of lung diseases can be tackled. This is due to the houses not having chimneys and all cooking is done over an open charcoal fire.

      Be careful there. I don't know the situation in Madagascar, but let me relay a story I heard which is possibly relevant:

      In East Africa, Peace Corps volunteers wanted to improve the design of the huts the Masai would build. They taught them to incorporate a large vent, eliminating the smoke build-up. Worked beautifully, at least until malaria went totally out of control. Apparently the smoke kept the mosquitos out, so the pre-Peace Corps design was a reasonable compromise - lung diseases are preferable to malaria.

      You may not want to make this change without other anti-mosquito or anti-malarial precautions. Googling finds a paper on the subject: Smoke and malaria: are interventions to reduce exposure to indoor air pollution likely to increase exposure to mosquitoes?. Probably worth reading if you haven't already.

    12. Re:Is this really a good idea? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      What are you planning to do for network access? If there's cell phone coverage, it would be neat if the OLPC supported bluetooth/USB connections so the cellphones could be turned into "edge routers" for the mesh. It seems like it's either that or an expensive land line/satellite/wireless link out of the village...

    13. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      While not ideal, you can still sate a childs thirst for computing knowledge offline. Even if not connected to the outside they'll have a lan. It's still a good idea either way.

    14. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I guess that's another corollary of the law of unintended consequence. I heard - might be an urban myth - that someone designed new, streamlined trains for the London underground. The problem was, the flat fronted ones were designed that way to act as pistons to help the ventilation. (Apologies, until I clicked the link I thought you were joking)

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    15. Re:Is this really a good idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There is 1 TV in the village. I supplied it alone with
      > a solar panel, some car batteries and an inverter. They
      > have a pirated Satellite encoder...

      Great, so you have indoctrinated them into the Western consumer
      culture. Way to go. Call back in five years and they will be
      brainwashed, enslaved brand-victims who sit and wait to be told
      what to buy instead of interacting.

      A shortwave transceiver -- now that would have been productive.

  9. À la Sally Struthers by lbmouse · · Score: 1

    ... but do you get a letter and a picture from the impoverished child that gets your laptop donation?

    1. Re:À la Sally Struthers by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      No. You get a sports watch.

    2. Re:À la Sally Struthers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but do you get a letter and a picture Nope an email and a link to his new facebook page.
  10. In other news... by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 1, Funny

    "The number of nigerian presidents wanting to use your bank account to transfer money in a rush has recently doubled"

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  11. XO black market by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't I just buy one for myself and let the volume productions reduce the price for everyone?
    I bet if they tried the freemarket approach they could get the retail price down to, oh I don't know, maybe 100USD. They could name it "the $100 laptop"

    No? Oh ok, I'll just have to buy two Eee PCs for the same amount.

  12. Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't it originally $100.00, then conveniently doubled to $200.00?

    Now for only twice the money, you can buy one and get one free! Special price, $399.00 instead of just $199.00, but wait, you get one free! For a limited time only - call now while, quantities last.

    1. Re:Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could have something to do with the dollar halving in value?

    2. Re:Free? by yada21 · · Score: 1

      They should have set it's price in ounzes of gold, then the price would remain stable due to the intrinsic value.

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  13. Re:USA? Black Friday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As evil as they are, MS is the de facto standard. If you don't know windows you're missing a key skill to join the technology work force. Giving a bunch of kids a one-off linux based laptop leaves out critical skills.

    And the way to change the landscape is to get people used to using something different in a place where there isn't a de facto standard.

  14. Won't make as much impact. by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    US society already has high technology. Giving a poor kid an OLPC in North America may help him or her. Giving a poor kid an OLPC in someplace where they don't have computers available at the library down the street (which the kid never goes to because his parents and peers think libraries are for geeks and morons) will help that kid interface with the modern world and help bring up the whole country.

    Now, I'm not saying poor folks in developed countries brought it upon themselves, or are willfully poor, but I do think that there is greater room for improvement across populations as a whole in other places.

    1. Re:Won't make as much impact. by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      There's an interesting point. Instead of giving every kid a laptop, why not setup a library for whole communities including laptops in these poor areas? Then everyone including children would benefit. It would be possible for older people to learn about the modern world too.

      The other advantage is that you might be able to help more communities with it.

      Even though I feel this way, I'd consider buying one of these if I had the money. I wish it was buy one get half. At $300, it's doable for me.

    2. Re:Won't make as much impact. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one is really fun since many folks here at /. noted books especially textbooks are far more expensive than an OLPC filled with free learning materials, public domain books, etc. This incidentally makes you the winner of this small debate.

  15. Definitely too little too late by VorlonFog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering I picked up two full-feature Acer laptops at Wally World two Fridays ago for under $350 each.

    1. Re:Definitely too little too late by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Informative

      But the 'Wally World' laptops don't come with a nice warm inner glow of having helped lift some third world child out of information poverty (and you don't get $200 per tax deductable as a charitable contribution)

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    2. Re:Definitely too little too late by MidKnight · · Score: 1

      Plus, those laptops had Vista on them. I assume you've had to buy two licenses of XP as well to make them usable. That runs the price up to, what, $600 each?

      :)

    3. Re:Definitely too little too late by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I picked up a similar laptop around the back to school rush for about $CDN 450. It's a really great laptop. Came with 14.1 inch screen, and 512 MB of ram, but I think everything else was the same. Great little laptop. It was painfully slow with the preinstalled Vista, but I'm running Mandriva with CompizFusion and it works great. The only downside is the battery is only good for about 2-2.5 hours. But I mostly just use it at home one the couch, so really, it actually fits my needs very well.

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    4. Re:Definitely too little too late by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Considering I picked up two full-feature Acer laptops at Wally World two Fridays ago for under $350 each.

      No, you didn't: those laptops aren't full featured, they're missing all of the features that make the XO useful. Features such as a very robust case, daylight readable screen and the ability to run off the electricity grid.

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  16. $399 is pricey by brunes69 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Why would I pay $399 for a OLPC laptop when I can buy a NORMAL full featured laptop from CC for $299 on Black Friday or $400 any other day?

    1. Re:$399 is pricey by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because you're supporting a cause?

      Using your logic, why would I donate $100 to the Red Cross when I could just as easily get a mickey of vodka and have a good time for less!!!

      Tom

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    2. Re:$399 is pricey by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

      You're only paying $200 for it.

    3. Re:$399 is pricey by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Because it's pretty badass. At the outset they didn't intend to break new LCD technological ground with the OLPC, but they ended up doing so to meet the requirements. Also, because it's a good cause? That, and you won't get trampled on black Friday obtaining one.

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    4. Re:$399 is pricey by Etyenne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because you want to do good (whether OLPC is doing good or not is your call), and because you want a piece of tech history.

      The XO basically revolutionize the low-end portable computer market. They where the first to talk about ultra low cost, ultra-portable, low-power computing, and as such kick-start the movement which gave us recently the Asus Eee and the Intel ClassMate. Without them, the market would have slowly converge toward cheaper and cheaper hardware, but I think we would still be a couple years away before the laptop industry change its mindset from "let's pack more power for the same amount of money" toward "cheap enough to be ubiquitous". I doubt OLPC and the XO would get credit for that, unfortunately.

      The XO is also a marvel of engineering. The Sugar interface is the first completely kid-centric interface to come out of Open-Source, and leading the pack on that front. The hardware have been carefully thought-out, and it show. It may not be the best laptop for an adult (it is completely kid-centric), but this not just a bunch of discrete parts thrown together by an ODM. Finally, as if it was not enough, five words: built-in Wifi mesh network. If that does not scream "cool" to you, you need to hand over your geek card right away.

      So go grab a rebranded Asus on Black Monday and enjoy your crap imitation of a real laptop. In the meantime, I will continue to use my five years old Thinkpad, which will probably outlive the pathetic knock-off you can buy in the price range you quote.

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    5. Re:$399 is pricey by Hatta · · Score: 1

      How much does the "normal" laptop weigh? How many moving parts does it have? How thick is the plastic casing? Is the keyboard sealed with silicone? What is the battery life? Can you read the screen in full daylight?

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    6. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, you're asking? Do you really think that OLPC is trying to compete with a Black Friday $299 laptop? Okay, then: you would purchase an XO at $399 because you believe in OLPC's mission, actually want to help a kid somewhere, and at the same time, get something novel and geeky for yourself.

    7. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. I'm too lazy to look up the actual number, but the one I held was very light, and at the time, it had the heavier battery technology. The production ones should be very light.

      2. Moving parts: the screen is hinged, and there are two swiveling rabbit-ear antennas. No moving harddrive or optical drive, though.

      3. I don't recall. I remember thinking it wasn't particularly thin relative to it's other dimensions.

      4. The keyboard is fully sealed. I don't know if it's silicon.

      5. Very good; actually, this in one place where the XO is revolutionary. They developed an entirely new battery technology that's less toxic, much lighter, and has longer capacity than other batteries.

      6. In fact, you can. The laptop has a dual-mode screen, that is color when you want color in normal or low-light situations, and high-visibility black-and-white when you're trying to read the screen in sunlight. It works very well as an ebook reader.

    8. Re:$399 is pricey by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but then you don't really want the laptop, then. The "free market" plan would be to sell the OLPCs at as much of a profit as they can as well as accepting donations and use those profits (and the economies of scale from the increased volume) to fund their 3rd world profit.

      Instead, they seem to have gone the PBS, "Make a donation of X size and get a fabulous tote bag" except the tote bag in question is an expensive computer (compared to a cheaply manufactured cotton bag). The $400 hundred dollar laptops are nothing more than donation trophies and won't be sold in enough volume to gain process efficiency.

      Furthermore, there are plenty of families in North America for whom the expected price is an affordable computer they wouldn't otherwise have. If they could afford the "double" price, they'd already have a computer: there are plenty of capable models selling at or below that price now.

      Of course, that depends on them being honest about "Buy One, Give One." Which really sounds like a scam to me. Based on their stated goals, if they really were able to produce laptops at the claimed price, they ought to sell them at that price. I suspect that what's going on here is that they can't, and they're using outside donations to cover that fact. i.e. They'll "give" a free laptop for every one bought under the program, but some of the cost of producing that laptop come from other sources.

      You'd get suspicious of the Red Cross if they started charging double for the CPR program "to offer CPR classes to people who can't afford it."

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    9. Re:$399 is pricey by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want to help a kid somewhere then why don't you donate your $400 to Unicef so it can buy food and medicine for 1000 kids? Or donate it to Amnesty INternational so they can stop kids from being raped and tortured in Cambodia?

      Seriously - buying laptops for kids should not be P1 in terms of global humanitarian aid folks.

    10. Re:$399 is pricey by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Your reading comprehension is not so good, is it?

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    11. Re:$399 is pricey by sandmaninator · · Score: 1


      You have to strike at the root of the problem instead of the aftermath. A healthy society is a well educated one and that is what OLPC is trying to address.
      Handing out drugs and food will not help these cultures in the long-term. They need to change their maladapted culture before people will start living healthy lives.

    12. Re:$399 is pricey by nobodyman · · Score: 1

      Why would I pay $399 for a OLPC laptop
      Well, you wouldn't. That's where the "giving" part kicks in. The value proposition is in the fact that you're making a philanthropic gesture *and* getting a laptop out of the deal.

      To be fair, it does have a 200dpi screen (in monoscreen mode), and that aint shabby. And even at $400 it's comparable with an ebook reader.

    13. Re:$399 is pricey by firstojune · · Score: 1

      Because you might do better in providing them means of education so they can obtain everything by their own means instead of relying on a continual external supply of solutions.

    14. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For altruistic reasons, that's why. If you're not altruistic there's no reason for you to pay $399 for an OLPC instead of a full featured laptop. The point isn't "hey, here's a laptop YOU can buy!" but rather "hey, here's a laptop you can buy FOR SOMEONE ELSE and get one too"

    15. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not paying $399 for it. You're paying $200 for it and $200 to donate one to someone else.

    16. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, go ahead and buy a NORMAL full featured laptop from CC for $299 on Black Friday or $400 at any time. We do not hold you back.

    17. Re:$399 is pricey by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      And of course, none of these generously donated XOs will end up being sold on the black market for money to buy said food and drugs...

    18. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you're not a money-grubbing selfish asshole?

    19. Re:$399 is pricey by Czmyt · · Score: 1

      I think that it's hard to get a full-featured $300 laptop on Black Friday or a $400 laptop any other day because the retailers only sell a very limited number of units at that price. I do agree that the $400 is pricey for the OLPC considering what else is available for $400 (Asus eee) or a little more. Also considering that the eee and other low-cost notebooks have the infrastructure available to support them. I think that the Foundation would get a lot more sales with a 2-for-1 type deal where each US purchase cost $300 and supported half of a laptop for a third-world country. I bought one for $400 because it's such a cool little unit, but at $300 each I definitely would have bought two so that I could play with the mesh networking features. Also, at $300, it's competitive with the Sony eBook reader.

    20. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seriously used one of those $300 "Saturday Night Special" notebooks? You're lucky to get them to last beyond the 90 day warranty. With the OLPC you have -

      * No overheating or fan-filled-with-pet-fuzz issues.
      * Dead quiet. There's no tiny supersonic fan, or clicking hard drive.
      * Battery lasts longer than 20 minutes.
      * The power brick you typically have to pack along is HUGE. The OLPC uses an average sided "wall wart".
      * Water and dirt resistant, you can spill coffee on the keyboard with no damage (try that on even a $2000 NB!).
      * No hard drive to drop and crash. Some expandability via SD-HC.
      * All around better design, build, and stronger plastic.
      * The screen is visible in daylight! This is not available in any other laptop.
      * Hibernation and sleep support eventually gets lost in Windows(IMHO). Linux has stable configuration, and real input into this model's design. All reports say "it just works(TM)".
      * Long Wifi range, the antenna is more than a spare trace on the motherboard.

    21. Re:$399 is pricey by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      That's a very idealistic point of view, however it does nothing to help people who are dying TODAY or being raped and tortured TODAY.

      I would love for you to look into the eyes of a mother whose 8 year old child was just beaten to death because they would not join the military, or even worse one whose child DID join the military and was killed, and say "Oh but look, you can have this nice new laptop! And in 5 generations many less kids will die... maybe, if you work hard!"

    22. Re:$399 is pricey by 2short · · Score: 1

      You appear to have spent a good minute or two posting this post on slashdot, rather than volunteering for a worthy cause. How can you possibly justify that? I'd love to see you look into the eyes of a destitute child and explain you would help others, but you are too busy questioning exactly what charitable endeavors others support with their own money.

    23. Re:$399 is pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because with this you are also giving a laptop to a child in a poor country. If you don't care about them, then go get a normal cheapass laptop on black friday.

  17. No thanks by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Id rather get one of those tiny little asus(?) sub-notebooks for that sort of price.

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    1. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The concept of charity seems to be lost on you.

  18. Guaranteed? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it guaranteed that my purchase will be matched by the delivery to a child, or am I simply throwing my money into a huge black pit, in the hopes that the number of people who buy one in the US will be the same as those delivered to children, apart from their already-planned deliveries?

    1. Re:Guaranteed? by Loke+the+Dog · · Score: 1

      How could it be guaranteed?

    2. Re:Guaranteed? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      By specifically channeling my money to a fund that is used only for this purpose, and unusable toward their previously-planned deliveries.

    3. Re:Guaranteed? by MidKnight · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean by guaranteeing something like ...

      ... In connection with your payment of US$399 to OLPC Foundation, OLPC Foundation will provide you with one XO laptop, and a second XO laptop will be given by OLPC Foundation to a child in one of the least developed countries in the developing world....

      ... from the Terms and Conditions of the Give One Get One program.


    4. Re:Guaranteed? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The page has a reference, there are 5? specific countries that will see the donated laptops, Afghanistan and Cambodia are the only two that jump to mind.

  19. And done. by adriccom · · Score: 1

    I'm glad they followed through with the g1g1 idea, after all of the suggesting and petitioning.

    Ow, that put a dent in the amex. Oh well, great cause, new toys. If more people catch on to that formula we'll all be better off .. if slightly poorer.

    And hey it was only USD. After hyper-inflation gets fully underway ... *cough*

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  20. Re:USA? Black Friday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Come black friday I guarantee there will be plenty of $400 "real" laptops for sale"

    This is one laptop for 200$ US, another one as a tax deductable charitable gift for $200 US.

    "Oh, and for those who will say how rugged and durable the OLPC is...yes. But when you can't do jack shit with it even if it survives the trip through a dishwasher...what good is it? As evil as they are, MS is the de facto standard. If you don't know windows you're missing a key skill to join the technology work force. Giving a bunch of kids a one-off linux based laptop leaves out critical skills."

    And what might they be? Learning to use a word processor? Check, the XO has this. Browser? Check, XO has this. What exactly does a Windows XP PC have that an XO doesnt? Solitaire? The XO with sugar is a package, its a device capable of browsing, meshed networking, creating documents, and much more. And all of this shared with the rest of the class. If you actually saw the olpc image running, which you can do in an emulator if you download it from their website, you would see that this is a device, in laptop form factor.
    I really dont see the point of teaching kids to use Windows Version X and Office version X, when you can give them a specially designed device like the XO and they can use it to access information about *any* OS or software.
    After all, are you really suggesting that if these kids were given Windows laptops they would not be able to use a Mac? Or linux? Take a look at the website http://laptop.org/ and see how it works before you draw conclusions. It is not a laptop for you, nor road warriors, nor VC++ developers. It is a device for platform agnostic kids to access and share information.

  21. I ordered one. by Falkkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The North American model sadly doesn't come with the hand-crank. It's not clear if those will be available for purchase later on, or if I can use (or mod) my cell-phone hand-crank to work with the XO laptop. Excited to try out the XO though, and I'm very happy to support this project.

    1. Re:I ordered one. by Portfolio · · Score: 3, Informative

      They haven't had a built-in hand crank since the first prototype. The North American ones will come with a standard wall adapter. They are exploring all sorts of power generation ideas, such as a yo-yo shaped pull cord generator. Check here for many of the other ideas.

    2. Re:I ordered one. by jedo · · Score: 1

      Just curious where you saw that it comes without a hand crank. I thought I'd looked through the entire site and don't remember seeing that.
      I'm leaving the grid soon and was thinking that this might be the perfect laptop for me to have.

    3. Re:I ordered one. by Falkkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, it's hidden in their wiki:

      http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Give_One_Get_One

      Will the North American Laptops include any human-power system?

      no.

    4. Re:I ordered one. by Squiggle · · Score: 3, Informative

      The pullstring hand generation unit (that is designed to go with the OLPC) is from Potenco: http://www.potenco.com/

      Unfortunately you'll have to join the mailing list (http://www.potenco.com/contact-us) to find out about availability since they are focusing on the kids (away from the grid) first.

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    5. Re:I ordered one. by Falkkin · · Score: 1

      Obviously I can't moderate because I've already commented, but here's an honorary +1, Informative. :) Thanks for the info!

    6. Re:I ordered one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been trying to find info on this myself. How do you know the hand crank or yo-yo isn't included? I'd like to get one for when I'm backpacking in third world countries and this is definitely essential for me. Does anyone know how to get the yo-yo?

    7. Re:I ordered one. by mikemikef · · Score: 1

      Hey, why are they not helping out our planet here? Did someone assume something and make an a__ of you and me? :)

  22. Forget the North Americans - sell to Europe! by clickety6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    With the worth of the US dollar dropping so rapidly, most Europeans could afford to buy a couple of these with the loose change in their pockets. $399 is about 3.99 Euro these days. Maybe a slight exaggeration there, but we're not so far off the 100 Euro laptop :-)

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    1. Re:Forget the North Americans - sell to Europe! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Definitely. It'd be 274 or £193. I'm sure plenty of folks would pay that.

    2. Re:Forget the North Americans - sell to Europe! by north.coaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a pointer to a method for ordering one if you are located outside the USA and Canada.

      There are also reports that folks in Europe have been able to place orders by phone. This would only work for phone orders - the web site (PayPal) only allows USA and Canadian shipping addresses.

    3. Re:Forget the North Americans - sell to Europe! by gram3000 · · Score: 1

      Im in Ireland, I've been trying all day to buy one and send it to an American friends address. No luck. I've been on hold to their Customer Services for hours now. Thank god for Skype.

    4. Re:Forget the North Americans - sell to Europe! by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

      I'd buy one.

      Helping a good cause and getting a unique gadget at the same time? Maybe it could be a nice file server with its low power consmption.

      I'd also get the optional crank for postnuclear scenarios. Stove it in the basement with a one-armed leather jacket and a shotgun.

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  23. Mod parent funny by lorenzino · · Score: 1

    If I had mod points I will mod you up funny. Not sure you intended to, but you surely are. Wasn't this project (XO) started as the 100$ Laptop ? :P

  24. Re:USA? Black Friday... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You seem to be under the faulty impression that the OLPC laptop is meant to teach children how to use computers. It actually tries to teach them far more basic (and important) skills than that; reading, writing, math, etc. Things that will give these children a way to earn money and escape poverty in the future. That they'll also be able to learn about computers and the internet is just a bonus but irrelevant to whether the OLPC will be succesfull.

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  25. Your sig by Etyenne · · Score: 1

    ... should be "Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil". Same literal meaning, but yours is not the common French usage.

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    1. Re:Your sig by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

      It's a quote from somewhere - and it's the common usage in the English speaking world. We tend to misuse your language even more than you missuse ours

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    2. Re:Your sig by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's in Circumstances, by Rush[1], back in the days when they were good. FWIW, the form you put occurs around 3 times as often according to google.

      It's rare in speech to hear the second half at all; people tend to say "plus ça change" [pout] [that sort of shrug thing] and leave the rest as implied.

      [1] the Canadian band, not the redneck 'tard, as someone's sig used to go.

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  26. Sure but does it run... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Crysis?Realy need a PC for that :( .

  27. Re:USA? Black Friday... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As evil as they are, MS is the de facto standard. If you don't know windows you're missing a key skill to join the technology work force. Giving a bunch of kids a one-off linux based laptop leaves out critical skills.

    And the way to change the landscape is to get people used to using something different in a place where there isn't a de facto standard. Or $diety forbid teach them to think and learn so that they can make the choice themselves as to what OS to use when their country becomes less technology challenged.

    Or is education of the end-user not the ultimate goal here?
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  28. Quick Philosophical Question by HamsterRabies · · Score: 0

    Just wondering- with resources being low in these poverty stricken countries, how much does the electrical charge cost the individual users? At what point will the donation churn to salvation, that is, the point in time when the donation is sold for food or other life dependent resources? Not being sarcastic, but I am always wary of these programs, and I am left wondering if this is The cost of electricity in these countries is very very high. The cost of finding a place to use such a resource is a challenging prospect for anyone with a real need for this.

    1. Re:Quick Philosophical Question by Portfolio · · Score: 1

      The intent is to provide alternative power generation for these laptops. Ideas include human power, animal power, solar, wind, water, etc. See this page for details.

  29. I wish it was available in the UK by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would order one in an instant!

    1. Re:I wish it was available in the UK by LuckyStarr · · Score: 1

      Make that two. :)

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  30. Just like the Asus Eee PC detractors... by Corf · · Score: 1

    ...you're missing the point. "Why buy an Eee when I could get a normal, higher-powered 15" laptop for less?"

    I own an Asus Eee, and it's a near-perfect little sub-kilo device. But if I had a kid in the 3-8 age group, I'd pounce on this OLPC deal so fast my keyboard would smoke. For the same price as the Eee I can get something way more kid-friendly AND support some third-world future 1337 h4ckz0r?! I can't think of a more noble place for my nerd-donation to go. But my altruism only extends so far. I prefer the Eee for my own use, so that's what I bought.

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  31. You might consider it if... by BPPG · · Score: 1

    if you were a parent. If it's designed for youngster level wear and tear, then why not? If I had a kid, I'd much rather buy him one of those than an x-box. (Yeah, I know x-boxes have gotten cheaper, but a full set with controllers and games would likely cost about the same).

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  32. Flash support? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if these laptops have flash support? Or if it can easily be added? (Probably easy to add, since it is linux.) Planning on getting one for my kid and it would be nice to know. :-)

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    1. Re:Flash support? by jefmes · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly it has an SD memory slot, but like you mentioned if it doesn't support USB memory now I suspect someone will add the functionality soon! I just ordered one this morning so we'll see. :)

    2. Re:Flash support? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      One of the requirements of the software that ships with the OLPC is that it has to be 100% open source. As a result, they can't ship Flash. However, it's not that difficult to install Flash into Firefox yourself.

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    3. Re:Flash support? by Wierdy1024 · · Score: 1

      It supports USB memory sticks and SD cards out of the box. You can install flash player easily (there's a guide on their site). You can also install a load more codecs so it can play pretty much any video, as out of the box it'll only play .ogg - again tutorial on their wiki.

    4. Re:Flash support? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Heh. That's what you get when you use an overloaded term.

      I meant Macromedia(tm) (now Adobe(tm)) Flash(tm).

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    5. Re:Flash support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that Flash is excluded from the standard configuration. However, Pepper has made a version specifically for this laptop and it includes Flash and Java. See http://www.pepper.com/linux/olpc.html

  33. Short warranty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was set on getting one of these for my daughter - but then I saw that they only offer 30 days of warranty That seems really a short period. Is it worth taking that risk ?

  34. Compare it to other apples. by emj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually it can be considered to be better than a eee PC which costs about the same (well $100 less). I would love to have a Solid state laptop (no fan!) and a high res monochrome screen (reading!), and low power (green!).

    Bad luck I'm in Scandinavia, may be you can buy one and send it to me?

    1. Re:Compare it to other apples. by cerberusss · · Score: 1
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  35. Looks like a great first computer to me by fhmiv · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm buying one for my 3-year-old. I can see several advantages to this approach over other laptops. First, I can give her a rugged computer that actually works, something she will surely like as she sees her mom and I using our laptops all the time, and kids learn a lot by imitation. Second, I can continue teaching her about philanthropy - we bought one for her and one for someone else who could use one but can't afford it. Third, to counter the arguments about the US educational system ignoring the OLPC, education begins in the home.

    As a programmer, I look forward to seeing the software efforts that are built atop this platform. There's plenty of room for free educational software for kids and this looks like a good platform for it. Surely someone will port the platform stack to a standard Linux distro, and then any software you write for this, you can run on your PC you bought at Wal-Mart.

    Cheers, Frank

  36. I agree, but for a different reason. by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    I would not tie getting one laptop to sending one overseas. If they want money to further their mission then just focus on that and drop the gimmick. We do not need production of these devices being diverted to this country, let alone to geeks who need someway to feel good.

    There are hundreds of good charities to give money to where all the money goes to the cause. I haven't seen a guaranteee of that from OLPC. However I would be more than happy to buy the two OLPCs provided BOTH went to kids and that I had some guarantee that they did reach my intended target

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
    1. Re:I agree, but for a different reason. by Pippinjack · · Score: 1

      The website allows you to make a donation to buy a laptop for a kid in the third world without buying one for yourself

      --
      hear all, see all, say nowt; eat all, supp all, pay nowt; and if tha ever does owt for nowt - do it for thissen
    2. Re:I agree, but for a different reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just don't get it. Part of the idea of buy one give one is that it will give developers / educated people in the west a chance to work with and develop learning materials for use with the XO . I have been considering developing some basic biological teaching applications that could be used on this system. What with its ability to take external low cost sensor input, it is wonderful. Could use it to model simple ecosystems and demonstrate effect of soil depletion, etc through bad farming techniques versus good. Possibly could design home made tools such as a ph meter to use with it. The software could explain how to build this from scraps.
      Much cheaper and more durable than text books and all off the grid.

  37. Re:USA? Black Friday... by dmbasso · · Score: 1

    I don't use windows since XP, I actually never touched vista, and probably never will. I'm well employed, and the future seems bright for people with gnu/linux knowledge here (Brazil).

    Also, the XO was made to make children think, not to be locked in a specific system.

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  38. And since it's made in China--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can contribute to our balance of payments deficit and the falling dollar in addition to helping buy a child in a third world country something they can play games on.

  39. Tax Exemption in Canada? by fygment · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if the OLPC can be claimed as a charitable organization in Canada i.e. can you claim an exemption?

    --
    "Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
    1. Re:Tax Exemption in Canada? by godawsgo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Conversion: $421.26 CAD = $433.95 USD
      Currency From: CAD
      Currency To: USD
      Exchange Rate: 1.03014 From our friends at the Canadian Revenue Agency:

      "Generally, you cannot claim donations made to U.S. charities on your Canadian income tax."

      I'll take that 3 cents on the dollar though!

      (If you have US Income, you can use the donation to off-set that...)


      Dawson
  40. God Fearing by themelv · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The first post mentioned 'God fearing'. Isn't a man who gives while not fearing God more righteous than one who gives out of fear of himself not getting to heaven.

    1. Re:God Fearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, one giving out of fear of God is giving out of fear of going to hell if he dosent give or out of the greed of getting to heaven by giving... thus really "bribing" God. The true way of giving is without out of love, not out of fear! Here is a good poem I read about it

      I carry a torch with one hand
          and a bucket of water with the other
      With these things, I will set fire to heaven
          and put out the flames of hell
      So that no one worships Go,
          out of fear of hell or the greed of heaven.

      This poem was written by an Islamic mystic named Rabia.

      This point is also stressed very much in Buddhism. Giving is a way to purify your mind and letting go of the greed. If you are giving because of the the greed of heaven or fear of hell, you are not trully giving witht he best of the intentions.

  41. Re:USA? Black Friday... by xyzzy · · Score: 1

    Education of the end user IS the ultimate goal, but not education in computer skills. The XO laptop is a learning tool, and is likened by its creators to a "pencil". Their goal is to give each child in the developing world their own "pencil" to create with. No one will be reconfiguring their kernels on these things.

  42. Great for Education in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With many towns now reeling from the failure of municipal wifi whose cost was in the millions, this is a no brainer by comparison. For every $200,000 spent, 1,000 children get a laptop. That is an incredible and immediate value. Moreover, what an *intelligent* way to create city wifi -- through mesh networking! Just imagine the possibilities: if local towns work with local schools, these laptops can be tied into the cirriculum. This would be an extraordinary boon for education and technical literacy for US children. This is *exactly* the kind of thing that can tremendously surge with glass roots activism. Time for geeks to start getting involved with their local town/city officials.

    Brian Basgen

  43. You are a good man (N/T) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT

  44. Re:USA? Black Friday... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

    Education of the end user IS the ultimate goal, but not education in computer skills. The XO laptop is a learning tool, and is likened by its creators to a "pencil". Their goal is to give each child in the developing world their own "pencil" to create with. No one will be reconfiguring their kernels on these things. Nobody said they would. What was said was that because these things are not Microsoft then they are wrong.

    To go with your pencil analogy here it doesn't matter if you use a Ticonderoga or a Rotring mechanical - it's still a tool to learn with.

    When you've learned more and you can make a choice then pick the pencil that suits you. But until then the "pencils" being handed out will suffice in these cases - because the students have no "pencil" at all.
    --

    "Bah!" - Dogbert
  45. My Two Cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont like the OLPC. Why? Because these kids are going to grow up and steal our jobs for 1/250th of the pay. Instead, why dont we give them something really and truely useful, like a hammer and send them to the coal mines. really....

    1. Re:My Two Cents by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you're charging 251x what you should be for your labor. Who says your skills are valuable or difficult?

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      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
    2. Re:My Two Cents by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      They're probably not, but you seem to be under the impression that labor ought to be priced entirely by what business owners see fit to pay. Care to elaborate?

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    3. Re:My Two Cents by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Of course not! I'm saying that labor ought to be priced entirely by an agreement between what business owners see fit to pay and what potential employees see fit to be paid. If someone else is willing to do your job for 1/250th of the price, I don't think a business owner is at fault for looking into it. If you want to keep your job, I don't think you're at fault for trying to price yourself even lower.
      Business owners and employees are both selling things. Business owners are selling speaker cables, while employees are selling "the ability to manufacture speaker cables". Businesses are no less a consumer than you are, they're just consuming different things.

      If X-Mart offers a speaker cable for 1/250th of the price of Z-Mart, you'll shop at X-Mart.
      Z-Mart is expected to catch on that they're selling for way too much, and try to out-do X-Mart by selling for even less.
      Z-Mart may of course offer other incentives for keeping their price a little higher than X-Mart, but 2500% would be quite a hard sell. I suppose they could spend that extra on advertising, but how much of /your/ paycheck do you spend on advertising yourself? I'm guessing it's less than 0.01%

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      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  46. Wasn't the US$ = 2$CAD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If they'd called it "the 120Euro laptop" it would probably STILL be the 120Euro laptop.

    But the US is pissing it's money up the wall, so now it's the $200 laptop.

    1. Re:Wasn't the US$ = 2$CAD? by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

      If they'd called it "the 120Euro laptop" it would probably STILL be the 120Euro laptop. Indeed. The are only slightly over their original target if you don't cound in USD.

      But why euro? Compare to the currency of developing country X if you want to see how the deal is becoming for the potential buyers.
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      I lost my sig.
  47. This stinks... by EmagGeek · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    First of all, I don't get to deduct this as a charitable contribution, the company does. Second, I doubt the cost is actually $180 if you're standing on Chinese soil. This just doesn't pass the smell test. Who is to know if those second laptops are ever actually donated to children, or manufactured at all? Who is responsible for accounting for laptops supposedly donated to poor kids? Are we supposed to just take them at their word? Laptops that don't enter US airspace or go through US customs may as well not exist.

    "Sure, we delivered 100 laptops to poor kids in that little village in the jungle. Sure, they have no lights, no phone, and no motor cars, not a single luxury, in fact. Where is the village, you ask? Hell, I don't know, we just stumbled upon them one day, so good luck finding them."

    Smells like a tax scam, to me...

    1. Re:This stinks... by acvh · · Score: 1

      Wrong, on many levels. First, I do get a 200 charitable contribution tax deduction. Second, as a registered non-profit OLPC is subject to audit by state and federal authorities.

      Third, not everyone is a crook.

  48. I just ordered mine! by coolate · · Score: 1

    I can't wait till I get it! It is a great plus to get the year of wifi too.

  49. specs? by jefu · · Score: 1

    I'm interested in this deal, but would like more technical specs. In part because I have specific ideas about how I'd like to use one and would like to know if it will work for what I want. Is there a page somewhere (I don't see one quickly) detailing what is and is not in the machine?

    1. Re:specs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hardware specs are over here

      http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml

      and you can get software specs at

      http://laptop.org/en/laptop/software/specs.shtml

    2. Re:specs? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      http://laptop.org/ has technical specs for the computer. Wikipedia also has an article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1

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      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
  50. It's not either/or !! by curri · · Score: 1

    Nobody said you ONLY give to one thing. You can do both !!

    And there are other factors, besides just 'locally':

    1. I get an XO for $200 :) (You can't get one any other way yet. I *want* one for my kids, although I can't afford it now :(

    2. The levels of poverty plus the administrative costs etc can make a big difference. A small amount of money (say $10/mo) *can* change the life of a really poor kid in a '3rd world' country, whereas it will probably have a negligible effect on any American kid.

    I give time to local causes. Money ? Maybe it has more impact somewhere else.

  51. Only in America by david.given · · Score: 1

    (America in the geographical sense, of course...)

    I'd love to buy one. It looks great; not only would I find it useful as well as being a really cool toy, but I think this is a cause highly worth supporting. Alas, the offer is only valid for people in continental North America (plus island states of the USA). Since I live in the UK, I'm stuffed.

    Hopefully at some stage they'll run a European G1G1 programme.

    (Actually, maybe the G1G1 programme will show enough demand that some budding entrepeneur will order a million and start selling them in high-street stores. The OLPC would make a superb alternative to these 'learning laptop' toys.)

  52. bash shell? by ortholattice · · Score: 1
    This may seem like a very silly question, and maybe the answer is obvious, but I haven't been able to find it. But it is of crucial importance if I'm going to use it myself. While I'm sure it is theoretically possible given that it runs Red Hat Linux underneath, it is the first thing I'd want to do with it, and I'd be frustrated if I have to spend my first hour with it figuring out the secret to unlock it. :)

    The question is: what is the procedure for getting into a bash shell?

    A related question is whether the kid stuff can be turn off to expose the underlying Red Hat window manager (whatever it is), for adult geek usage. What is the underlying window manager?

    1. Re:bash shell? by Portfolio · · Score: 2, Informative

      The underlying window manager is Matchbox.

      There is a Developer Console activity which provides a shell, log viewer, X resource meter, and memory usage meter.

      If you want a more adult interface than Sugar, you might be more interested in PepperPad. They are providing an OLPC compatible pre-release containing both a 1.5 JVM and a more adult-oriented environment.

    2. Re:bash shell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can press "ALT+0" to get into the developer console. You have shell access there.

  53. fun gadget, but so misguided by Teriblows · · Score: 1

    did access to computers increase us students math/language scores? of course not. its books and teachers and basic infrastructure that matter but thats not sexy so gadgets are sold as miracle cures, and geek bazillionaires think they are saving the world. its fine if you give them away, slightly dodgy if you ask their poor governments to pay for this toy. i mean seriously, you are asking them to spend money on a toy when they cant even get electricity to some of these people, as acknowledged by the olpc's hand generator and other such nonsense.

    1. Re:fun gadget, but so misguided by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      did access to computers increase us students math/language scores? of course not. No, because we had textbooks. That's the difference.

      its books and teachers and basic infrastructure that matter but thats not sexy so gadgets are sold as miracle cures, and geek bazillionaires think they are saving the world. These laptops are intended as (among other things) a replacement for books. Consider the number of e-books that can fit on the XO's flash-based storage. Now consider the costs of buying that many textbooks, which the child has to lug around with them. As new editions are written, a laptop can be updated with a download over the Internet or a CD-ROM distribution, and you don't have to replace all those textbooks.

      its fine if you give them away, slightly dodgy if you ask their poor governments to pay for this toy. This article is about the "Give One, Get One" program, half of which is about giving them away.

      i mean seriously, you are asking them to spend money on a toy when they cant even get electricity to some of these people, as acknowledged by the olpc's hand generator and other such nonsense. Although it can also be used as a toy, that is not its primary purpose. This laptop is designed to be an educational tool. How effective it will be as an educational tool remains to be seen, and will depend largely on having qualified teachers that know how to effectively use this particular tool; I don't know how well this project will turn out, but it has a lot more potential than you're giving it credit for.
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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  54. Re-dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many weeks in a row is Slashdot going to repost this same story?

    Or is the fact that N^2's $100 laptop now $399 for two the "new" part of the news?

    Honestly, they would be far better off getting a Dell laptop and a hampster wheel. Plus, the laptop would run Windows, so the kids won't be locked out of the job market by only knowing a hacked up and barely functional version of Teh Lunix. Sure, Dell doesn't offer it in kid-toy colors, but at least it offers them a future.

    1. Re:Re-dupe? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      The XO is not a substitute for a computer. It is a substitute for a text book and somewhat word processor/typewriter (keys are small though).

      It allows techers to send notes home to illiterate parents, and parents to respond back (camera/microphone). It allows for reading off of the internet, an ebook, or teachers notes.

      The cost of text books can be crippling, event he cost of printing could allow one of these to pay for itself with enough use. Simply as a monochrome e-book reader with a pull cord for power it has quite a bit of value, the logic based games and other computer-like funtionality are a bonus. Internet access (where available is also great, but I expect the receiving of reading materials over the mesh is where this will shine. Everything else is just extra.

      I hope we will see efforts for K-12 level text books that are free and open like the reading one recently posted here.

      For half the price of a laptop this is a tool for educating, not a tool for computing. And it probably does a better job of educating in environments where dusk and dirt (Africa etc.) and spills (classroom) are a regular part of the day.

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    2. Re:Re-dupe? by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's great.

      So, um, why does it have game controls on the screen? Was the gameboy successful in some market I am not aware of?

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      Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
      Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
    3. Re:Re-dupe? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      How about to turn pages when the eyboard isn't exposed (as e-book)?

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  55. Here's the scoop by mihalis · · Score: 1

    $423 including shipping.

    Yes, some child in a developing nation will definitely get one if you order the buy one give one package. You get one too. I have a 4 year old daughter who currently borrows our laptops to play the flash games on PBSKIDS.ORG. I am hoping this will be easy for her to use.

    It runs Linux. Good battery life. Interesting screen. Modest CPU and graphics horsepower.

    There is no crank.

    Order soon, supplies are limited.

    Yes, I ordered one.

  56. Black Market by G-News.ch · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it will take until a black market around these things evolves. I'm sure the parents' kids in Africa wouldn't mind having 100$ instead of an OLPC laptop.

    1. Re:Black Market by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Maybe about as long as it took for a black market in expensive mobile phones to occur instead of people using them - so probably never.

    2. Re:Black Market by G-News.ch · · Score: 1

      Oh come-on, when have you last seen some nearly starving african farmer carry an expensive mobile phone? Let alone actually use it in the middle of nowhere. They're going to readily sell their gagdets in exchange for something that will actually feed them. They only need to find someone who is interested in buying it. Given a suitable middleman between those getting their laptops and the ones wanting to buy one, a black market might very well develop. Really poor people usually prefer a sparrow in their hands, instead of a pidgeon on the roof.

    3. Re:Black Market by TrnsltLife · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was in rural Cameroon in 2006. The cell phone company was rolling out 4G handsets, and people were buying them so they could watch the World Cup on their phone. People have cell phones who don't have grid electricity, running water, or paved roads. You'll also see people with cell phones and little stands. It's like walking up to a pay-phone but it's a pay-cellphone. You pay a few CFA per minute or something. A cell phone in the hand *is* a source of income in itself, and Africans are smart enough not to kill the golden goose.

  57. Limited quantities? by ansible · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know why there will only be limited quantities available for the NA market. Is there some reason for that? Don't they want to accept as many donations as possible?

    I strongly considered getting an XO laptop for myself. (Screw the kids, why should they have all the coolest stuff. :-)) I ended up going with the Asus Eee PC because it has a more traditional LCD screen, more RAM, more storage and a built-in SD card slot. Battery life isn't nearly as good with the Asus, and it is only about as rugged as a normal PC. But hey.

    I've almost finished setting up my Eee PC with standard Debian GNU/Linux (testing). Don't have open-source drivers for the WLAN, Ethernet, camera, and SD card. Did get the WLAN running with ndiswrapper though. I don't think I'll go back to the default Xandros install, I'd need to recompile too many other packages I get from Debian by hand.

    1. Re:Limited quantities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know why there will only be limited quantities available for the NA market. Is there some reason for that? Don't they want to accept as many donations as possible?
      Actually, according to the wiki the quantities are not limited; the only thing that is limited is the amount of time the offer is available. Later units ship later, but they will not cut off after a certain number.

      If you are asking "why have a limit of any kind?", there are several conceivable explanations. One might be that the purpose of the program is actually to gauge demand, and this will not be accurately reflected if people think they can buy at any time. Another might be that they don't know how big the demand might get and they want to give themselves a guaranteed end date so that they have a window to fill all orders. Another might be that Quanta will soon be distributing a similar commercial model (with real support, etc.), so they want to get as many charitable donations as possible before opening the laptop to the commercial market. Since having a limit maximizes the short-term demand, another explanation might be that they need a number of public orders to pad their governmental orders to get a lower bulk price. Or maybe they think that a showing of strong demand will be a useful argument when selling to countries/states.

      This is all speculation, mind you.
  58. I got my order in this morning ... by timothy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I set the alarm clock for 5:40 (EST), and refreshed the order page a few times ... but discovered I had to update my PayPal info, so I missed my chance to have the order in at 6:00 am on the dot ;)

    One thing I'd like this for is to take on my next (very infrequent) plane flight -- the cheapo laptops I have right now have both terrible battery life and more heft than airline trays like. (Oh, and don't open well in that tiny space the airlines call enough room for a passenger.) With the T-Mobile deal, it also means I can take it to the local Borders bookstore.

    If I were more employed than indebted, I'd have gotten one for my niece, too; maybe next year they'll have another (next-gen) sale of XOs, if the project is still around.

    timothy

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    1. Re:I got my order in this morning ... by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      I made it a 6:00am. Parly because I did not know if the demand would be too high, but mostly because I'm excited about having one of these solid state things in person. I plan to use it to run a gcc complier and various console progs.

      I guess it pays not to have ever acually signed up for paypal. Seriously I hope there is a large demand just to get this thing in to volume scale production.
      --------email log
      Nov 08, 2007 16:35 10k One Laptop per Child Give One Get One starts soon
      Nov 12, 2007 06:01 18k service@paypal.com Receipt for your Payment to OLPC Foundation
      Nov 12, 2007 06:03 12k One Laptop per Child Give One Get One starts today!

    2. Re:I got my order in this morning ... by timothy · · Score: 1

      It says (somewhere on the OLPC site, that is) that they're uncertain about exact shipping dates, and imply that early orders get early machines, rather than just [big pool of orders] drawing from [big pool of laptops].

      I do hope they sell out, though -- would make a fun story ;)

      timothy

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      jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
  59. Dutch creditcard by gwillem · · Score: 1

    I just ordered one by phone from the Netherlands with my Dutch credit card, no problem. I'll have it delivered at a friend's address in New York.

  60. looking for a sales meter somewhere ... by timothy · · Score: 1

    Is there one?

    A thermometer-style disply, or maybe an odometer? Such displays reached a nearly baroque complexity when counting hits to personal web pages was the cool thing to do, so you know it's possible ;)

    I'd like to see some sort of active feedback about the sale, the same way Woot offers lots of little statistics (how many people bought more than one? Where do the sales cluster? etc.)

    Why? Curiosity on my part, but also I think it might be a good sales tool. Some people might buy because the sale's going slower than expected, and they want to push it faster (there are clearly a lot of people excited about OLPC as a concept), others might buy sooner rather than later because extrapolating current figures might mean they'll be gone by the time they *had* planned to make a purchase, if at all.

    *Is* there a sales meter / stats page somewhere, which I'm just missing? Wouldn't be the first time, or even the 101st ...

    Cheers,

    timothy

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  61. Worth Careful consideration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a lot of flame bait and rather than reply directly to it, I will just reiterate some basic facts about the
    laptop and the project.

    A lot of super-reputable people at MIT and some of the best employees at a number of key players in the
    semi-conductor/hardware/software industries have put together a laptop specially designed for children
    in the developing world.

    * It has super low power requirements, so that it can be powered by things like a hand crank

    * You can read the screen in full sunlight. It's also ruggedized to survive rough handling, so the
    build quality has to be high.

    * It's small and lightweight so a child can lug it around.

    * The wifi antenna is way more powerful than the average laptop, and even in places with no internet
    connection at all, children will be able to network with each other via the mesh network. Moreover,
    given the antenna range, it's possible that there could be a mesh network over large regions of a
    country, which could replace conventional telephony, or provide telephony in places that don't have it.

    * It has a suite of software and an interface that would appeal to children. Developers have spent
    oodles of time coming up with packages that reside in the relatively small memory and hard disk space.

    * It has great internationalization support in the software. This much is necessary if it's going
    to be used in non-english speaking countries all over the world.

    * It has a camera. This camera might be the first one, or one a few in the places where this laptop
    will wind up.

    * When production scales up, it is designed to cost roughly $100. The only thing preventing this
    from happening now is cautious countries who are waiting to place large orders.

    Based on these points, I would say that a lot engineering challenges have been met and this is a kind of
    watershed event in the history of the distribution of computing technology.

    Why is a laptop important for education?

    While you can certainly waste time and goof off on the web, there is also a wealth of instructional
    material, learning material, free encyclopedias, and help of all kinds to be had on message boards.
    Children could learn, for example, methods of improving local sanitation, agricultural techniques,
    and health information which could end up saving the developed world millions or billions
    of dollars in humanitarian aid. They could also learn other languages which could open up entire worlds
    to them.

    Even if they didn't have the internet, they could learn how to program, how to compute, make art, photographs,
    drawings, and a whole bunch of other stuff with it. Not to mention the fun factor. It's not an educational
    panacea but it WILL change the world.

  62. Let us hope not by mkcmkc · · Score: 1

    You're operating under a misunderstanding. When you go to the bank and ask for "your money", they don't give you back the bills that they've been keeping in a drawer somewhere. The money has been invested, etc. Likewise in this case, the money that you're giving will be spent in the way that the program feels will be most productive to their overall goals. Be happy about this! They know a lot more about the details than we do...

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    "Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
  63. Because it's true? God-fearers give more. by PRMan · · Score: 1

    http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3447051.html

    The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent).

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    Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
  64. Mod parent up. by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

    These laptops are intended as (among other things) a replacement for books. So many people are missing this and thinking OLPC is only about increasing IT skills.

    How many textbooks can you get for $200? Not a whole lot.
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  65. It's now the $64 laptop by timothy · · Score: 1
    Yes, it's been mentioned many times already (justly, IMO), but that T-Mobile deal might be even better than it seems: if you were already in the market for that service (I've considered similar things, esp. when I was driving around the country much more a few years ago, but mostly used per-day service at places like Flying J truckstops), and were willing to fork over the considerable cash for it (just under $360, and I suspect that price is pre-tax -- can anyone clarify that?), this deal is a bit like getting a subsidized phone with a cell-phone contract. (Hmm -- come to think of it, web-appliance laptops might be a cool perq to make such things attractive ;))

    Playing casually (but I think reasonably) with the numbers is what led me to $64 in the subject line -- by that I mean $424-$360 (OLPC two-fer deal, inclusive of shipping, less the rack-rate for the T-Mobile access). It definitely swung me from heavily-considering to have-now-actually-purchased.

    I have not yet even tried to find, never mind read, the fine print associated with T-Mobile sign-up, where they ask for the drop of blood and have you relate your sexual history while lying in the coffin, etc, but I am encouraged to be hopeful by this phrasing:

    T-Mobile HotSpot broadband Internet service is available at more than 8,500 locations throughout the United States. Your complimentary year of service is valued at more than $350! Just use any Wi-Fi-enabled device, such as your laptop computer or a Wi-Fi-enabled mobile phone, and you can connect and communicate your way.


    Hopefully someone who is currently using T-Mobile's service can comment on this; do you need to register each device with T-Mobile, and if Yes, can you register more than one? (That "or" before "Wi-Fi enabled mobile phone" could swing either way) Or is it a simple password scheme, so as long as you supply the right login-password, you're free to beam and receive?

    Worst case (not bad) scenario, if it's strictly for one-device-on-a-contract, is that you choose which of your Wi-Fi devices you like best or find will be used most likely in Hot-Spot situations, and put that one one. It specifically does not limit you to using the XO as the connected device, even if that's the implication of what people would want to do. (If it *is* limited to one device, I think it'll be my XO that gets the honors.)

    One more thought on this topic: A best-case scenario I see in several locations wrt the capabilities of the internal antennae is 2km (unobstructed), which (thanks to a quick googling) I now know to be about one and a quarter miles. Let's assume that's wildly, fraudulently inaccurate, and 1/4 of a mile is more reasonable. Or even 1/8 of a mile. If it adds even a hundred feet to your (my) typical distances for reasonable reception, that means that the area within which you can be connected to one of these hotspots (or any Wi-Fi transponder, of course!) is vastly increased. (The new circle modulo the old circle ...) I could definitely use that!

    (Now, if only the mesh networking could be cajoled to work as DHCP/NAT/repeater droids for ordinary 802.11 base stations ...*)

    timothy

    * If that already works, awesome! My impression is that the mesh networking stuff requires upstream cooperation from the OLPC routers. Would be happy to be proven wrong!
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    1. Re:It's now the $64 laptop by fixitman86 · · Score: 1

      I'm lucky enough to have been given a production prototype model for the past couple weeks to play around with as part of a freshman program at the Media Lab.

      The mesh networking works between machines whether or not there is an OLPC "school server". The machine also seems to be capable of connecting to multiple networks (one standard and one mesh). This allows it to share a standard wifi connection to other OLPCs over the mesh. Still, I don't think there are mesh drivers yet for windows or OS X. The routing is handeled (so I am told by Walter Bender) by a chipset on the wifi card itself, so the machine can go into a very low power state and still act as a mesh repeater.

      The OS is based on Fedora, so I would assume mesh drivers exist for that OS. It runs the Sugar UI, which is PyGTK based. Interestingly, there is no root password initially. Also, sshd is enabled.

      My $0.02

    2. Re:It's now the $64 laptop by timothy · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks for the info! That's very encouraging -- I don't care all that much about the Windows / OS X possibilities for myself, since I use either of those only rarely, but I would nonetheless like it if the XO can serve as a transparent bridge given some the development of some sort of software for those users, too. I hope you're right that there are Fedora (and, unless things are too tied to Fedora per se) drivers which would allow connection to the mesh from another Linux laptop.

      (In both cases ,though, I must admit confusion as to why it should require a different driver on the client-laptop side vs .that that needed to access any other wireless network. To the client laptop -- that is, one which is seeing the OLPC as a bridge to a wider network to which the OLPC is connected -- would the signal appear different from that from any other 802.11 base station? I know -- or at least my recollection is -- that an iBook can be set up under OS X a a base station, sharing an ethernet connection via its internal airport card to other wireless equipped laptops nearby. It seems to me that this is roughly equivalent, only sharing a single wireless connection rather than a wired one. However, my technical knowledge is thin as usual on this front, so please phrase any response in large, simple letters ;))

      What did you think of the machine's keyboard? :) That's my biggest expected annoyance with it. Not that there might not be other annoyances, but that's the one I anticipate most clearly.

      timothy

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    3. Re:It's now the $64 laptop by fixitman86 · · Score: 1

      Hi! You are correct. I think the special thing about the OLPC is that it is able to share a wireless connection wirelessly. I'll do some snooping tonight to see if it actually has two wifi devices or is using a special card to tune multiple 802.11g channels at the same time. I do know that the mesh is not a standard ad-hoc wireless network. From my macbook, I can see the olpc-mesh, and I can join it, but I cannot intercept packets and the OLPC doesn't get internet from my laptop. I think the whole network topolgy is fundamentally different for the mesh stuff. It's cool to have a bunch of them in a room though. They all see each-other immediately (must be some form of multicast DNS) and you can play games and share activities between the machines. The keyboard is TERRIBLE. Still, it's probably easier for someone with little fingers to use, and I just use a USB keboard and mouse when I'm developing or doing keyboard-intensive stuff (i.e. not games). Apparently the machine runs in a shallow pool of water because the keys are sealed so well. I'm not eager to try that out though! I'll let you know what I find out.... Ben

  66. ACT now rather than complain by itsybitsy · · Score: 1

    We have poverty in America to ...

    Then this is YOUR opportunity to buy a couple of these computers and contribute one to a child in a developing country AND one to a child in America. Or even better, N to each. The best part is is that you'll be able to pick the child in America that you want to donate yours to.

    Action is what counts, not complaints.

    I just put in my order for the Give 1 Get 1.

  67. $200 of the price is tax deductible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, $200 of the price is tax deductible.

  68. Unfortunately OLPC XO's are just too slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you really can't get a fan-less pc with any reasonable amount of processing power to run 'todays' linux/GUI. I had really high hopes for the OLPC but in its current incarnation it looks like it's "not working"... At leaset to this this 8 year old user.

  69. Giant hands? by pbhj · · Score: 1

    >>> I have held both an XO and an Eee in my hands (and a ClassMate, too)

    So you have quite big hands?

    1. Re:Giant hands? by Etyenne · · Score: 1

      No, but I have two of those!

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  70. How'd they set the price? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I wonder if they made any effort to survey demand for this and estimate a demand curve to maximize their profitability on this venture, so they could give away as many free laptops as possible. How did they arrive at the $400 price to buy one laptop for a poor child, rather than any other price, like $600 to buy two more laptops, or $300 to buy half an additional laptop. In most cases, charging a 100% premium for charitable purposes isn't the number that's going to maximize charitable contribution, especially for big ticket items. I expect that if Apple charged twice as much for a Product Red iPod and donated all that extra money (plus whatever they're donating now), they'd end up with lower total contributions, because hardly anyone would buy one.

    Maybe they did research this and they're charging a reasonable price to maximize the surplus brought in through the program, and hence the number of extra laptops they can buy. It's just that nice, round number of "once extra laptop," combined with the relatively huge 100% markup on a big-ticket item, that makes me wonder if anyone bothered to think about the economics and how to maximize their charitable impact, or if someone just made up some number that sounded good. Personally, I think I'd get one for $250, and I'd think about it for $300, but $400's just too much from the point of view of the value of the laptop to me. From the point of view of charity, a $200 gift is a whole lot for me right now for a single gift. I believe in their mission, but there are a lot of other charities I believe in as much or more, and I'll split my charitable contributions among them. If I thought of it as a $200 laptop plus a $50 gift, I'd definitely sign up for one at $250. Are there four people like me for every one who'd pay $400? I don't know, but I sure hope that the OLPC project bothered to make an intelligent guess.

    One intelligent thing they may be doing is testing the market, rather than surveying it. That is, perhaps they'll be $400 for a few months, and see how many they sell, then $350, etc. That would be reasonable behavior to maximize their profits and thereby contributions on this program, possibly netting a larger portion of consumer surplus than any (even carefully arrived at) single pricing plan.

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  71. Only US and Canada... why? by Fjan11 · · Score: 1

    I tried to order twice this morning, but got an error during checkout. Now they just put up a text saying "Only US and Canada" which probably explains it: I'm from Europe. This is a shame: with the dollar being so low I know several people that said they wanted to get one at the $400 level (even though we don't have the tax deduction incentive here).

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  72. JVM? by hotsauce · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the silly questions:

    Does it run a JVM of any sort? Any in the works?

    Wikipedia just mentions Python, but with 256 MB, a JVM should be possible.

  73. Just ordered... by rapett0 · · Score: 1

    I been reading about this for quite a while now and its nice to see it finally happen. However, I do have a question about our (meaning those who purchased one) laptop. I am interested in checking out out, developing on it, etc. This got me to thinking, is it even necassary to have the laptop to develop for it? I am not familiar with its environment so I just wanted to find out if I could. If so, then I probably end up giving the laptop to some local charity to help out at home as well as abroad. I have read different bits about developing for individual projects; but what I want to do is, is there an IDE (not necassary GUI based) for it?

    1. Re:Just ordered... by Portfolio · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, you can easily run the emulated Sugar environment on a variety of platforms. See this page for emulation instructions.

      The core developers run Sugar directly on their Linux desktops. Those instructions are here.

  74. Re:Because it's true? God-fearers give more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, how convenient that the article doesn't break down the donations by recipient. Because in the absence of that I have to assume that it's counting donations to churches as charitable, in which case the only thing we can really draw from those numbers is that members of a church are more likely to donate money and time to their own church.

    I rather strongly suspect that if we had the full picture and factored out the to-your-own-church stuff that religious types end up about average. (Possibly even below average, since the article also said there's no difference income... if you're donating to your own church's upkeep and spending time at bingo night you have less money and time left over for other things... but we'd need even more detailed information to figure out what proportion of donation was member->church->good-deeds-outside-church and what proportion was member->church.)

  75. Philanthropic Speed-Cubers Can Get A Deal by davidpfarrell · · Score: 1

    Philanthropic Speed-Cubers can get a deal as I just announced on my forums that I'm offering a $5 discount on speed-cubes to anyone who purchases an XO through the Give-1-Get-1 event.

    You can read the full offer here:

    http://www.puzzleproz.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=902

    Has anyone else mentioned that they reduced the length of the event from 15 days to 12 due to the high volume of sales in the first 12 hours?

    I'm glad I got my order in already!

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  76. OT: your company drops the web filter @ lunchtime? by schwaang · · Score: 1

    Holy crap. Is that normal now?

  77. Global Charity! But only in North America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice one, because you know, North America is the only civilised Western country in the world of course...

  78. I have just one thing to say to this OLPC thing... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    Asus EEE PC

    'nuff said.

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  79. but do I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get a photo of the child who received the laptop?

    sorry just had to ask

  80. The XO by Chemosabe · · Score: 1

    Ive just ordered one, and cant wait to recieve it. It is weak, and slow, but that is totally besides the point.The small size, the unconventional design, and least but not last, the near total rethink on how a computer should work makes this the coolest ebook reader, and portable browser! Oh, and it is a good cause! Go Negroponte!!!

  81. hello ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are you frigging kidding me ?
    i've tried looking at porn on my laptop in the shower and I'm telling you, it's REALLY hard explaining what happened to the repair centre
    these little puppies are waterproof, DORK
    woohooo !!!!
     
    pfffft - you don't deserve your low slashdot number, you FAKER !

  82. Why? by Igarden2 · · Score: 1

    Why can't they just go out and buy their own?

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  83. Yes, Guaranteed by indrax · · Score: 1

    http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/terms-and-conditions.php In connection with your payment of US$399 to OLPC Foundation, OLPC Foundation will provide you with one XO laptop, and a second XO laptop will be given by OLPC Foundation to a child in one of the least developed countries1 in the developing world.