I heard a guy speak about this a while ago. He is CEO for a large Australian portal site, and like all portals, is struggling to make money. His comment was that, as a general rule, people are more likely to pay for content that is user created, rather than content that someone else creates - bad news for traditional news sites!
Some examples: Hotmail premium services, dating sites, forums (see EZBoard), and yes, even slashdot.
Sure, most of those examples have many more people not paying, but the key thing is they are all getting people to pay money. Think about sites you pay for or might be tempted to pay for...
his hair is short and reasonably neat. Obviously been cut in the last month. If they aren't letting him near razors, whoever cut his hair could have shaved him.
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I don't think the/. community could do this. Why? Too many idealists. Look at all the "successful" protocols (HTTP, POP3, etc) - they all are loaded with problems, but regardless, they get the jobs done and where appropriate, get fixed over time. A pragmatic approach is required IMHO - something that does the job and that a large group of people could agree on. Pragmatism & consensus are not things the/. community are renowned for.
Try ASP.NET. It has a non-cookie mode where it inserts a guid into the URL automatically. You can switch from using cookies to not using cookies (but still preserving state) in seconds - literally - no recoding required at all.
I believe it looks at the referring URL, gets the GUID, and then insert the guid into the response in the format: http://domain.com/yourfolder//page.aspx
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this is asking "how much do you spend on printers?" and then when they talk about their $5000 lasers coming back saying "but you can get a printer for $150!". It's just asking the wrong question. They should be asking "what is the total cost of running your IT systems?". But that would be hard work and require the Democrats to think and not get them good headlines or a nice clear number (ie. $X million to MS vs. $0 on OSS) that Grandma voter can understand.
Note I'm not saying MS is or isn't cheaper when you look at the TCO, but TCO is the question that counts.
SVG is a great format for reporting. A much cleaner & potentially more interactive way of displaying complex data than just "static, text and jpgs". Check out the adobe SVG site (http://www.adobe.com/svg), they have some great examples.
And yes, people will use it as a flash wannabe. But that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned - moving from a semi-proprietary format (I know the flash format is *kinda* open) to a standards based format - and XML based, no less.
Agree completely. But look at what happened in the 60's - they had the President in public state "We will put a man on the moon by the end of this decade". They had a *clearly* defined goal to work towards, and were resourced to do it.
What are they working on now? Do they have such a strong, defined, focused goal? Such strong executive leadership? No wonder they are floundering.
I knew a girl who, about 5 years ago, worked in Bill Gates office as the person (one of the people? Not sure) who would look after his inbox. According to her, 5 years ago he was getting in the ballpark of 3000 emails/day. I would guess now with the increased internet population and the increased spam levels he'd be getting at least double that, but I bet president@whitehouse.gov gets even more.
Not commenting for or against the post, just though it's an interesting perspective & an interesting management problem.
I read this first page, thinking "this is quite amusing". I think got to the bottom, and saw it was 11 pages long. I don't think I've *ever* read something 11 pages long online in my life. The end of page 1 he's on about deconstructionism. I skip randomly to page 7. First paragraph: "Let's take another look at the pink tennis court. I mean, the universal architectural diagram. It really isn't quite as universal as I've made it out to be. First, let's get rid of the pink."
This is the thoughts of the man behind perl. This explains a *lot* about perl.
Hmmm, I thought you said you'd used ASP.NET? It doesn't force you to use those features. It's certainly the default way of working if you are in VS.NET, but if you want to do inline code like old style ASP, be my guest, you can do it with ASP.NET, no problems.
I've heard that the free editor MS provide, Webmatrix, defaults to inline code but never used it myself. I wouldn't be surprised as that's aimed at low end developers, inline is conceptually much simpler than code behind.
You are right about the IDE being a big part of the advantage of ASP.NET (and I should have mentioned it), but it certainly can't take all the credit.
IMHO the biggest thing in ASP.NET that leaves PHP for dust is the separation of code from layout. The other big one (and closely related) is easy componentisation. These two make life so much easier, and speak to much of the architectural niceties I mentioned in my original post. Not only can it be done, but it's easy to do and the flow *encourages* you to do it. I love a tool that makes it easy for me to do things the right way.
I do agree ASP.NET has a steeper learning curve than PHP (or any of the others listed, with the possible exception of JSP). Based on my experience, it's a price well worth paying.
For a small project, PHP would usually be my first choice, but anything medium to large, IMHO, ASP.NET is just miles better. Not trying to start a religous war as I do respect PHP, but I thought this was interesting, a comment from a respected member of the PHP community: http://www.edwardbear.org/blog/archives/000189.htm l
As a pretty experienced web developer, I've worked at some level (some more than others) with most of the popular platforms: ASP, PHP, Cold Fusion, JSP and ASP.NET (very little perl, which I've always regretted if just for completeness).
From that perspective, ASP.NET just totally rocks my world. I can debug more easily. Performance is better. It encourages good architectural practices. And my productivity has gone through the roof - I haven't done any formal tests but based on personal experience I'd say I can develop at *least* 30% faster with ASP.NET compared to any other platform, possibly more. The difference is most pronounced in more complex systems where it really shines. For less than, say, a thousand lines of code it probably doesn't save as much time, but I rarely work on that anyway.
So, maybe.NET has "failed" and maybe not, but for me, ASP.NET has improved my working world radically. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Ok, IIS is the obvious choice as being the second most popular web server after Apache. But I hardly think Microsoft will be letting these guys all over the IIS source code.
It could also be Zeus, SunOne or one of the other lesser known web servers out there.
If this was a post about Windows getting shadows, there'd be dozens of posts listing the zillion OSes that already have shadows and bitching about Microsoft's lack of innovation.
How do you explain this then:
- They consistently rank amongst the top 100 employers listings in most countries they are in(number one in the UK at the moment)
- Their staff turnover is about half the industry average
- When the stock price started slowing, they increased the salary of all employees
Don't people understand not all laptop users have the same requirements?
This laptop sounds *perfect* for a lot of consultants. If you need a high-ish end machine with a decent size monitor, but move from site to site every few weeks, this machine would be a dream.
Of course it sucks for a heavy traveller, but they have plenty of other laptops out there to choose from.
I'm sure I've read here, and more than once, that people who have seen Windows source code (I believe many universities have access?) have generally described it as being very good.
Hard to find references to it though - try searching/. for "Microsoft source code quality":)
Slashdot Mirror
...which I wish I could take credit for :)
I heard a guy speak about this a while ago. He is CEO for a large Australian portal site, and like all portals, is struggling to make money. His comment was that, as a general rule, people are more likely to pay for content that is user created, rather than content that someone else creates - bad news for traditional news sites!
Some examples: Hotmail premium services, dating sites, forums (see EZBoard), and yes, even slashdot.
Sure, most of those examples have many more people not paying, but the key thing is they are all getting people to pay money. Think about sites you pay for or might be tempted to pay for...
his hair is short and reasonably neat. Obviously been cut in the last month. If they aren't letting him near razors, whoever cut his hair could have shaved him.
I don't think the /. community could do this. Why? Too many idealists. Look at all the "successful" protocols (HTTP, POP3, etc) - they all are loaded with problems, but regardless, they get the jobs done and where appropriate, get fixed over time. A pragmatic approach is required IMHO - something that does the job and that a large group of people could agree on. Pragmatism & consensus are not things the /. community are renowned for.
Differential pricing is when you charge two different people a different price for the exact same product.
Slashdot offer two product variants, one free with ads, one paid withous ads, both the same price to everyone. It's quite different.
I already downloaded a piece of software from a site and as soon as I ran it a cupholder appeared from my PC!
Try ASP.NET. It has a non-cookie mode where it inserts a guid into the URL automatically. You can switch from using cookies to not using cookies (but still preserving state) in seconds - literally - no recoding required at all.
I believe it looks at the referring URL, gets the GUID, and then insert the guid into the response in the format:
http://domain.com/yourfolder//page.aspx
The classic Coffee Cup exploit
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this is asking "how much do you spend on printers?" and then when they talk about their $5000 lasers coming back saying "but you can get a printer for $150!". It's just asking the wrong question.
They should be asking "what is the total cost of running your IT systems?". But that would be hard work and require the Democrats to think and not get them good headlines or a nice clear number (ie. $X million to MS vs. $0 on OSS) that Grandma voter can understand.
Note I'm not saying MS is or isn't cheaper when you look at the TCO, but TCO is the question that counts.
SVG is a great format for reporting. A much cleaner & potentially more interactive way of displaying complex data than just "static, text and jpgs". Check out the adobe SVG site (http://www.adobe.com/svg), they have some great examples.
And yes, people will use it as a flash wannabe. But that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned - moving from a semi-proprietary format (I know the flash format is *kinda* open) to a standards based format - and XML based, no less.
Agree completely. But look at what happened in the 60's - they had the President in public state "We will put a man on the moon by the end of this decade". They had a *clearly* defined goal to work towards, and were resourced to do it.
What are they working on now? Do they have such a strong, defined, focused goal? Such strong executive leadership? No wonder they are floundering.
I knew a girl who, about 5 years ago, worked in Bill Gates office as the person (one of the people? Not sure) who would look after his inbox. According to her, 5 years ago he was getting in the ballpark of 3000 emails/day. I would guess now with the increased internet population and the increased spam levels he'd be getting at least double that, but I bet president@whitehouse.gov gets even more.
Not commenting for or against the post, just though it's an interesting perspective & an interesting management problem.
I read this first page, thinking "this is quite amusing". I think got to the bottom, and saw it was 11 pages long. I don't think I've *ever* read something 11 pages long online in my life. The end of page 1 he's on about deconstructionism. I skip randomly to page 7. First paragraph:
"Let's take another look at the pink tennis court. I mean, the universal architectural diagram. It really isn't quite as universal as I've made it out to be. First, let's get rid of the pink."
This is the thoughts of the man behind perl. This explains a *lot* about perl.
If people want to download MP3s, charge them one price. If they want CDs, another price. Want to do *really* easy CD fulfillment? Check out CafePress.
Against some VERY stiff competition, I nominate this article for the coveted /. "Nerdiest Article of the Year".
I mean, sheesh, more acronyms in that description than unwilling virgins on this site...
Hmmm, I thought you said you'd used ASP.NET? It doesn't force you to use those features. It's certainly the default way of working if you are in VS.NET, but if you want to do inline code like old style ASP, be my guest, you can do it with ASP.NET, no problems.
I've heard that the free editor MS provide, Webmatrix, defaults to inline code but never used it myself. I wouldn't be surprised as that's aimed at low end developers, inline is conceptually much simpler than code behind.
You are right about the IDE being a big part of the advantage of ASP.NET (and I should have mentioned it), but it certainly can't take all the credit.
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IMHO the biggest thing in ASP.NET that leaves PHP for dust is the separation of code from layout. The other big one (and closely related) is easy componentisation. These two make life so much easier, and speak to much of the architectural niceties I mentioned in my original post. Not only can it be done, but it's easy to do and the flow *encourages* you to do it. I love a tool that makes it easy for me to do things the right way.
I do agree ASP.NET has a steeper learning curve than PHP (or any of the others listed, with the possible exception of JSP). Based on my experience, it's a price well worth paying.
For a small project, PHP would usually be my first choice, but anything medium to large, IMHO, ASP.NET is just miles better. Not trying to start a religous war as I do respect PHP, but I thought this was interesting, a comment from a respected member of the PHP community: http://www.edwardbear.org/blog/archives/000189.ht
As a pretty experienced web developer, I've worked at some level (some more than others) with most of the popular platforms: ASP, PHP, Cold Fusion, JSP and ASP.NET (very little perl, which I've always regretted if just for completeness).
.NET has "failed" and maybe not, but for me, ASP.NET has improved my working world radically. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
From that perspective, ASP.NET just totally rocks my world. I can debug more easily. Performance is better. It encourages good architectural practices. And my productivity has gone through the roof - I haven't done any formal tests but based on personal experience I'd say I can develop at *least* 30% faster with ASP.NET compared to any other platform, possibly more. The difference is most pronounced in more complex systems where it really shines. For less than, say, a thousand lines of code it probably doesn't save as much time, but I rarely work on that anyway.
So, maybe
Ok, IIS is the obvious choice as being the second most popular web server after Apache. But I hardly think Microsoft will be letting these guys all over the IIS source code.
It could also be Zeus, SunOne or one of the other lesser known web servers out there.
If this was a post about Windows getting shadows, there'd be dozens of posts listing the zillion OSes that already have shadows and bitching about Microsoft's lack of innovation.
When GTK2 gets it, it's cool.
Such is life.
And I, for one, welcome our new robotic masters.
How do you explain this then:
- They consistently rank amongst the top 100 employers listings in most countries they are in(number one in the UK at the moment)
- Their staff turnover is about half the industry average
- When the stock price started slowing, they increased the salary of all employees
How parent got to 5 is beyond me...
Don't people understand not all laptop users have the same requirements?
This laptop sounds *perfect* for a lot of consultants. If you need a high-ish end machine with a decent size monitor, but move from site to site every few weeks, this machine would be a dream.
Of course it sucks for a heavy traveller, but they have plenty of other laptops out there to choose from.
So are they going to go after Monty Python as well? :)
I'm sure I've read here, and more than once, that people who have seen Windows source code (I believe many universities have access?) have generally described it as being very good.
/. for "Microsoft source code quality" :)
Hard to find references to it though - try searching
Anyone got a pointer?
I'll do a patent on duplicate posts! Anyone know of any prior art?