--If the true owner is known, the finder must notify him/her/it within a reasonable time and "make restitution without compensation, except a reasonable charge for saving and taking care of the property--
--reasonable efforts to return it to the owner first.--
That's the serious issue. From what I have read, WHY didn't the guy give it to the bar owners lost and found? Trying to contact Apple over the phone to say that you have a prototype? It doesn't sound like he tried that hard. And Gizmodo bragging about how much they paid for the story and giving out the engineers name while NOT giving out the guy that sold them the story or whatever. My first reaction was to be mad at Apple but maybe they do have a good reason to pull the pin on Gizmodo.
--Meanwhile, their competitors now have many months during which they can start cloning the design and/or features.--
Uh, trust me their competitors probably knew about it before this. look on the back of that iPhone that you have. Where is it made? That's right China. Where are the rest of them made? China. Maybe a few even come out of the same factory. At the very least the Asian manufactures would be given information this way. The real mystery is what the software will look like which is still secret.
--The leg up that their competitors will receive from this information will have a ripple effect for years to come.--
You have got to be joking. Everything Apple does has been done before. They just seem to be able to market it a little better and maybe have the details down a little slicker. How is this going to hurt them really? It just makes me want to maybe put off that new Android phone to wait to see what Apple is going to build especially after seeing the possibility a video phone. Of course Nokia done tried this but maybe Apple has it actually working. They have a reputation for making things work the first time.
--Apple can't obtain or act on search warrants. Apple can't charge or prosecute anyone for a crime.--
No, but they are sitting on a committee on a computer crimes unit and all they have to is complain about it. If they even say no, then Apple can talk about withdrawing their funding and things like that. So whether they did it themselves or by proxy, what's the difference as far as the blame if any that goes to Apple?
IF there really IS a crime involved then maybe Apple might be in the right. I just have a bad feeling about it though.
--The lack of even the most basic knowledge of how our system of justice works is just appalling. Do they put you kids through a civics course in school anymore?--
Yeah, yeah there is that stuff they teach you in school hypothetically about that and then there is stuff that happens for real. If a judge signs a warrant even without cause they are going to come in no matter what.
I think is it "receiving stolen property" or "paying for a story"? The answer to this will determine the outcome. So at first I thought Apple was bad. We will see.
And this only makes me want one of their phones. I know this is rated funny but I hear that Apple has passed Microsoft in market capitalization. Apple IS well.
I have to agree. I am in the same boat. Why, because the wasn't a class you could take or a school you could go to to learn what I do. It starts with the boss saying "can you do this", and you do it inventing how to do it the whole way because no one has done it before. Fast forward to today....
Now everyone has learned and there is a school AND they may have passed you by. So it is always important to keep learning. If you have a test, make it fit the kind of work you are doing. I think everyone should be tested to find out early on how they might fir in or not.
--and the older, more experienced (and thus more valuable) employees tend to know even less.--
Here in our small company I have found the opposite to be the case. We don't have too many problems with employees compromising systems but I missed 3 questions on that test. I thought they were all phising schemes.
I have noticed some that are extremely hard to detect lately. One in particular going around is a person wanting us to price them something in several different names. We price it and send it back and then they say to send it to us in another country. We only sell within the US. So I'm not sure how the scam works as we wouldn't send them anything without money but it does waste time. There are some schemes out there that could fool anyone.
--if it were a perfect world (at least, according to my definition)--
Redundant IMO. It's NOT and NEVER will be perfect so we all have to live with it.
--we wouldn't hire anyone for a desk job that couldn't type at least 40 wpm.--
We would and no I can't. This is really not a true measure of how fast someone can go let's say on a CAD workstation.
--We wouldn't hire anyone who couldn't explain the differences between a good and bad password. We wouldn't hire anyone anyone who thought thinks it's safe to give their password out to a stranger or to click on a link that they didn't trust.--
That does get explained and now days we don't find that many people that don't know this. Like I have said before there are some new schemes out there that can fool even an IT guy no matter how smart they may be.
Damn I wish I had mod points today. You are correct. In almost all places besides California employees basically have only one right. Discrimination. Also, an employee trying to prove that one is kind of hard. Ask those guys that turned Massey Energy in for violations after the coal mine disaster. About 10 people got fired over that.
--Is the idea here to sell this product to countries looking to get their civilians killed for propaganda purposes?--
Yeah, I would say that is about the size of it. I did like the music though, kind of portraying us as the evil empire and them as just a peace loving bunch. That was cool.
Well you are right, but right now at this moment, that's the answer. It's not perfect but it uses much less resources than MacAfee does.
Maybe AGV or Kaspersky might be technically better, but buying virus software from the same countries that produces most of the best viruii is not my idea of someone you can trust.
And Microsoft stuff just doesn't catch as much IMO. Trend Micro might have been the one I would have got but it wasn't on a short list between AVG, Norton, and McAfee. That's the choices that I had.
I would guess there are more than that because of previous licensing. Luckily their licensing ran out on us and we switched to Norton since McAfee hasn't really done much since 2003. There enterprise stuff has really sucked for a while now but we had to wait to get out of the deal with them because of "you know" the economy.
One thing that bothers me though is the testing facilities not being up yo what NASA already has for manned flight. This where private industry will cut corners until enough space tourists die and end up being more of the same. I guess we shall see if this is a good idea or not. All I'm saying is a least let NASA do some of the testing because they already have the equipment.
You are forgetting one other thing. Jack Tramiel was not as smart as Jobs. He started a price war that took him down along with many others. I think he mainly did this against TI, but it took down Atari, Radio Shack computers, and eventually Commodore itself. Do you think Jobs will try to undercut anyone? I doubt it because they are known to be expensive but one thing they CAN do is gain an overwhelming share of the cell phone market and that's not a good thing. Trust me it's not.
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Yeah, this is interesting. I really haven't heard of it happening to many times but going after the clients at least those in the US is a great idea.
--so, because you have no sympathy, you are ok with a private corporation sending 'representatives' to search his house--
I thought they sent Johnny Law not a representative.
--If the true owner is known, the finder must notify him/her/it within a reasonable time and "make restitution without compensation, except a reasonable charge for saving and taking care of the property--
AND...$5,000 seems more than reasonable to me.
--reasonable efforts to return it to the owner first.--
That's the serious issue. From what I have read, WHY didn't the guy give it to the bar owners lost and found? Trying to contact Apple over the phone to say that you have a prototype? It doesn't sound like he tried that hard. And Gizmodo bragging about how much they paid for the story and giving out the engineers name while NOT giving out the guy that sold them the story or whatever. My first reaction was to be mad at Apple but maybe they do have a good reason to pull the pin on Gizmodo.
I'm not so sure. I guess we will see.
--Meanwhile, their competitors now have many months during which they can start cloning the design and/or features.--
Uh, trust me their competitors probably knew about it before this. look on the back of that iPhone that you have. Where is it made? That's right China. Where are the rest of them made? China. Maybe a few even come out of the same factory. At the very least the Asian manufactures would be given information this way. The real mystery is what the software will look like which is still secret.
--The leg up that their competitors will receive from this information will have a ripple effect for years to come.--
You have got to be joking. Everything Apple does has been done before. They just seem to be able to market it a little better and maybe have the details down a little slicker. How is this going to hurt them really? It just makes me want to maybe put off that new Android phone to wait to see what Apple is going to build especially after seeing the possibility a video phone. Of course Nokia done tried this but maybe Apple has it actually working. They have a reputation for making things work the first time.
And...just about every single one of them could get this done too so what's your point?
--Apple can't obtain or act on search warrants. Apple can't charge or prosecute anyone for a crime.--
No, but they are sitting on a committee on a computer crimes unit and all they have to is complain about it. If they even say no, then Apple can talk about withdrawing their funding and things like that. So whether they did it themselves or by proxy, what's the difference as far as the blame if any that goes to Apple?
IF there really IS a crime involved then maybe Apple might be in the right. I just have a bad feeling about it though.
--The lack of even the most basic knowledge of how our system of justice works is just appalling. Do they put you kids through a civics course in school anymore?--
Yeah, yeah there is that stuff they teach you in school hypothetically about that and then there is stuff that happens for real. If a judge signs a warrant even without cause they are going to come in no matter what.
I think is it "receiving stolen property" or "paying for a story"? The answer to this will determine the outcome. So at first I thought Apple was bad. We will see.
And this only makes me want one of their phones. I know this is rated funny but I hear that Apple has passed Microsoft in market capitalization. Apple IS well.
I have to agree. I am in the same boat. Why, because the wasn't a class you could take or a school you could go to to learn what I do. It starts with the boss saying "can you do this", and you do it inventing how to do it the whole way because no one has done it before. Fast forward to today....
Now everyone has learned and there is a school AND they may have passed you by. So it is always important to keep learning. If you have a test, make it fit the kind of work you are doing. I think everyone should be tested to find out early on how they might fir in or not.
--and the older, more experienced (and thus more valuable) employees tend to know even less.--
Here in our small company I have found the opposite to be the case. We don't have too many problems with employees compromising systems but I missed 3 questions on that test. I thought they were all phising schemes.
I have noticed some that are extremely hard to detect lately. One in particular going around is a person wanting us to price them something in several different names. We price it and send it back and then they say to send it to us in another country. We only sell within the US. So I'm not sure how the scam works as we wouldn't send them anything without money but it does waste time. There are some schemes out there that could fool anyone.
--if it were a perfect world (at least, according to my definition)--
Redundant IMO. It's NOT and NEVER will be perfect so we all have to live with it.
--we wouldn't hire anyone for a desk job that couldn't type at least 40 wpm.--
We would and no I can't. This is really not a true measure of how fast someone can go let's say on a CAD workstation.
--We wouldn't hire anyone who couldn't explain the differences between a good and bad password. We wouldn't hire anyone anyone who thought thinks it's safe to give their password out to a stranger or to click on a link that they didn't trust.--
That does get explained and now days we don't find that many people that don't know this. Like I have said before there are some new schemes out there that can fool even an IT guy no matter how smart they may be.
Can it print money? If so tell us more.
Damn I wish I had mod points today. You are correct. In almost all places besides California employees basically have only one right. Discrimination. Also, an employee trying to prove that one is kind of hard. Ask those guys that turned Massey Energy in for violations after the coal mine disaster. About 10 people got fired over that.
http://www.masseyenergyco.com/
Oh, how the US has changed. You don't have any rights any more and guilty until innocent is usually what really happens in today's world.
That has already happened and it works so move on to something that hasn't been done.
One good experiment would be to drop a rope and see if an astronaut could climb back to terra firma.
Whoops!
Umm.......that's part of the original terms.
-Subject to change without notice-
This basically means they can do anything.
--Is the idea here to sell this product to countries looking to get their civilians killed for propaganda purposes?--
Yeah, I would say that is about the size of it. I did like the music though, kind of portraying us as the evil empire and them as just a peace loving bunch. That was cool.
Well you are right, but right now at this moment, that's the answer. It's not perfect but it uses much less resources than MacAfee does.
Maybe AGV or Kaspersky might be technically better, but buying virus software from the same countries that produces most of the best viruii is not my idea of someone you can trust.
And Microsoft stuff just doesn't catch as much IMO. Trend Micro might have been the one I would have got but it wasn't on a short list between AVG, Norton, and McAfee. That's the choices that I had.
I would guess there are more than that because of previous licensing. Luckily their licensing ran out on us and we switched to Norton since McAfee hasn't really done much since 2003. There enterprise stuff has really sucked for a while now but we had to wait to get out of the deal with them because of "you know" the economy.
One thing that bothers me though is the testing facilities not being up yo what NASA already has for manned flight. This where private industry will cut corners until enough space tourists die and end up being more of the same. I guess we shall see if this is a good idea or not. All I'm saying is a least let NASA do some of the testing because they already have the equipment.
How is it going in Switzerland these days?
You are forgetting one other thing. Jack Tramiel was not as smart as Jobs. He started a price war that took him down along with many others. I think he mainly did this against TI, but it took down Atari, Radio Shack computers, and eventually Commodore itself. Do you think Jobs will try to undercut anyone? I doubt it because they are known to be expensive but one thing they CAN do is gain an overwhelming share of the cell phone market and that's not a good thing. Trust me it's not.
I thought you said you use Windows?
Just wait your time is coming too.
a) you can't get one in the first place.
b) That may be true but a citation would be nice as too how much for how long.
Go try and take too much chocolate into Switzerland and see what happens. At least it's not total confiscation. That part was left out.