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Steve Jobs Recommends Android For Fans of Porn

hansamurai writes "After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on 'sexy apps,' Steve Jobs responded, 'We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there.' Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies.'"

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  1. Ready Pitchforks! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1, Funny

    Alright, men! Let's wave our pitchforks, complain about all the Apple news, and make sure Slashdot serves as many ads as possible in the process!

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    1. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sammyF70 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Look, if you don't want to read that, why don't you, you know, just ignore it. Or tell slashdot not to show you Apple news?

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    2. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's better worded like this:

      'After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "freedom to use your property as you see fit," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep freedom away from the iPhone. Folks who want freedom can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a lot of freedom for Android, you can use it anyway you want to, you paid for the hardware, it's yours. You can download porn, your kids can download porn, it's totally free and up to you to do what you want. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there." Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from "more reputable companies."'

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    3. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot doesn't serve me any ads. So I get to flame away!

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    4. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point being that more ads being served means more iPhone stories.

    5. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone

      I wish some people would take some responsibility and stop buying Apple products because they support the immoral values of billionaires. Stooping to popular opinion and Fandom usually, at the most has led to mediocrity, and sometimes lynch mobs. If Steve Jobs thinks that sex is immoral then I hope he doesn't engage in it himself.

    6. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, the argument and merits boil down to this: You may choose between Bowdlerized digital lifestyle from Apple, or a direct pipeline into the next-generation of Total Information Awareness from Google?

      Try and get a Google account without submitting a verifiable mobile number. Combine the use of that account with any phone running Google Maps and Search. Now, multiply that potential by an order of magnitude, when you operate a phone stack that is completely designed and built by Google. Correlate your location and your content and your identity?

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

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    7. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      So, the argument and merits boil down to this: You may choose between Bowdlerized digital lifestyle from Apple, or a direct pipeline into the next-generation of Total Information Awareness from Google?

      You left out the invisible world of moblin... I would get one if I could. But I am on Verizon, the company that makes Apple look "free and open." This is also why my phone is just a phone, not a text, camera, and Internet platform.

    8. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Either way you're going to give up a ton of personal info.

      To get an iPhone you'll need an account with the mobile provider, meaning you'll need to give up your contact info as well as a lot of financial and credit information. This would be enough information to track you down and glean tons info about you.

      Plus the iPhone uses a lot of google services and even if they switch away due to Android, Yahoo or whatever replacement is chosen will collect and track you in the same fashion.

      What are you trying to hide anyway? ;)

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    9. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Yeah way to whitewash it. Nobody would suspect that anything Mr. Jobs said had any ring of truth to it that way.

    10. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sbeckstead · · Score: 2, Informative

      The point being that more iPhone stories means more ads being served.

      There fixed that for you!

    11. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      But I am on Verizon, the company that makes Apple look "free and open."

      Verizon placed few limits on the Droid (only one I am aware of is forcing Skype calls to go through their voice network), whereas AT&T's latest Android phone (the Backflip) is loaded with crap-ware and prevented from installing non-market apps.

      I'd agree that Verizon can be overpriced now, but they've significantly improved from the days of placing their custom firmware on everything to cripple features like Bluetooth.

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    12. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by vell0cet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest.

      Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?

    13. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Razalhague · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple sells the same kind of freedom as Microsoft.

    14. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, but that's not what he said.

    15. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.

      They don't care what you're doing, as long as you're doing it on their platforms. (Although I've never owned a Zune or even seen one in person).

      Apple, on the other hand, wants to completely control what you think and do when using their products.

      It's comical but Apple's trying to make sure 2010 and beyond will be like 1984.

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    16. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

      You must be new here....

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    17. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Interesting response, what good do you see in Jobs/Apple's stance?

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    18. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Microsoft prevents me from running the software I want to run on my xbox 360 and zune.

    19. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speaking as somebody who isn't interested in living within Apple's Walled Garden or cashing in my privacy with Google, neither phrasing reads like anything but propaganda.

      You guys really should listen to yourselves. "Be free! Do as I say!"

    20. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 0

      Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest.

      No, it would be like the person who built your house not offering to call OJ for you to come over. You are still free to invite OJ over yourself.

      The only thing Apple is doing is not distributing porn themselves. You are free to download all the porn you want yourself, outside of Apple's store.

      The only reason this is a problem is that Apple also only allows their own store. This IS NOT because they don't want you to have porn apps at all, but because they want to control the quality of the iPhone experience. This has worked well for them, helping keep the iPhone quality far above all the competition.

      Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?

      One analogy does not cover all cases. It's absurd to expect them to. I covered the reason above (no analogy required). Flash would degrade the iPhone experience, so Apple has kept it off of their phone. If you disagree with Apple's assessment of Flash, you are free to buy some other smart phone (which, ironically, do not actually have the Flash Player either).

    21. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Apple, on the other hand, wants to completely control what you think and do when using their products.

      This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store. They are not trying to control what you think, nor what you do while using their products. AT ALL.

    22. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So get yourself a fucking Nokia already.

      You do know that Apple and Google aren't the only game in town.

      In the phone market they aren't even the biggest.

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    23. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Apple sells the same kind of freedom as Microsoft.

      Actually, Apple sells greater freedom than Microsoft. Apple offers the freedom for non-technical people to participate in modern culture. There were MP3 players before the iPod, but the iPod allowed people to carry their whole music collection with them with minimal hassle. Mac OS X and the computers they run on are designed to be easier to use and more functional with regards to tasks people care about. iPhone is more liberating for most people than any phone before. And the iPad allows people to do more than they ever would with a netbook.

      Slashdot geeks tend to look at either tech specs or some sort of nebulous "freedom" as things that are important, and obviously to some extent they are, but those geeks take things too far. What use is the freedom to download crappy porn apps (or even well-designed porn apps), if the rest of the user experience is inferior? What's the point of having the freedom to download from other stores if that freedom brings about a lower overall quality of the phone itself?

      Sure, if porn is specifically important to you, or access to multiple stores is specifically important to you, or whatever, and in fact more important than the loss of quality inherent with the application of those "freedoms", then by all means, you are 100% free to buy an Android phone.

      But for most people, that additional bit of freedom, which they'll never use costs them far more than what they'll lose out on.

      It's like bitching about not being able to see porn at your local Regal Cinemas, or not being free to bring in your own food. Sure, you do lose some "freedom" (sort of, you can still watch porn and eat non-Regal snacks once you exit the theater), but you also gain something that exceeds the freedoms lost.

      Understand this and you'll understand a large part of Apple's success. Fail to understand this and you'll be stuck at a loss to comprehend why those around you seem so willing to "sign away" their freedom, when it's you who has the absurd and extreme point of view.

    24. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      True, although I've never owned any products in the Xbox line either so I guess I don't know first hand.

      I generally avoid Microsoft products if possible, but Windows is the only one that's really hard, nigh impossible, to completely eliminate.

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    25. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

      You must be new here....

      Yeah but, where else can you see them on a magical and revolutionary device? Can you zoom in real life with only 2 fingers?

    26. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      Thank you. "Bowdlerize" was a "word of the day" for me from a long, long time ago, and I'd yet to see it in actual use.

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    27. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to take off your apple-tinted glasses, and stop making excuses for them. Apple want to control the platform, including how it is used. If it was just a case of Apple don't want to sell you porn, then where is the alternative app-store? Oh, Apple won't allow that. Odd. Steve Jobs is a control-freak. You need to understand that just because you like their product, doesn't mean it should not be criticised. On the contrary, you (as presumably an Apple user) should be more critical of them then others - it is in your own interest after all.

    28. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .....says that he doesn't want _OJ Simpson_ in the house that YOU own..... ....How would you explain away not having _Flash_ functionality?....

      Don't you mean Slash functionality?.......

    29. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Draek · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, Apple products have generated more freedom than Linux and Android have, combined.

      Prove it.

      Yes, you get a small number of additional choices with Android. But for those choices, you give up much more.

      Prove it.

      Because right now, you're sounding like a classic Apple apologist.

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    30. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft prevents me from running the software I want to run on my xbox 360 and zune.

      ::cough:: http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/zune-hd/279317-guide-installing-custom-apps-onto-zune-hd.html ::cough::

    31. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      I don't walk around naked, with the blinds up, either.

      Discretionary privacy is a root of sovereignty - a property that attaches to individuals, not states, despite the regular abuse of this notion.

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    32. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Apple want to control the platform, including how it is used. If it was just a case of Apple don't want to sell you porn, then where is the alternative app-store?

      Please re-read my post, I cover this.

      "The only reason this is a problem is that Apple also only allows their own store. This IS NOT because they don't want you to have porn apps at all, but because they want to control the quality of the iPhone experience. This has worked well for them, helping keep the iPhone quality far above all the competition."

      The lack of a third party app store isn't because the care one whit what you do with your iPhone. What they care about is the overall iPhone experience, and they believe that third party stores would degrade that experience. I agree with them, and the success of the iPhone tends to back this up.

      You need to understand that just because you like their product, doesn't mean it should not be criticised. On the contrary, you (as presumably an Apple user) should be more critical of them then others - it is in your own interest after all.

      I never said Apple shouldn't be criticized. It's just that the current crop of criticism is nerd-nonsense.

      The fact that I agree (mostly) with how they are handling things regarding the App Store, not because Apple is beyond reproach.

      Specifically, I find the notion that Apple wants to control what people and think and do with their own devices to be completely moronic. On the other hand, if people were simply complaining about the arbitrariness of the App Store, or that Apple needs an opt-in, parentally controlled, "Adult" store, or whatever, I'd be more in agreement. But this whole "Jobs wants to control you!" line is pure rubbish.

    33. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by bnenning · · Score: 1

      But for most people, that additional bit of freedom, which they'll never use costs them far more than what they'll lose out on.

      If they'll never use it, how does it cost them anything? Is Mac OS X worse because it offers the ability to explore the Unix layer which most users won't need?

      Fail to understand this and you'll be stuck at a loss to comprehend why those around you seem so willing to "sign away" their freedom, when it's you who has the absurd and extreme point of view.

      Amazing that it's now an "extreme" position that I should be able to run software of my choice on my own hardware.

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    34. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      The only 'limits' on the Droid are the locked bootloader (which is completely normal). Skype was a software choice by Skype and Verizon, not a hardware related one.

    35. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I think someone else might have more to say about whether OJ comes to your house.

    36. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

      As long as they ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY impose that their store is the only way to get apps on the phone the two are one and the same and can not be seperated. By not allowing any other stores they are controlling all apps on the iphone. Its simple logic.
      There does not exist an app which can be installed in compliance to the user license on the iphone (by an end user) which is not an apple's store.

      They are directly preventing you from getting an app that they dont deem approvable. Today its porn. Tomorrow its something else. They are absolutely controlling what you do while using their products. They are preventing you from running an app which is deemed to be related to porn, or for that matter "adult content" or anything else they don't like.

      Until they allow you to go use a non-apple controlled store where you can put ANY app you like on it, they are doing exactly this.

      People with your logical capacity seriously scare me. You lack the ability to connect the dots and put together two simple logical statements. I'm not suggesting that this is remotely on the level of genocide or hitler but here's the parallel. Today they ban porn apps because they say protect the children... Tomorrow they ban apps that don't use apple API X (oh wait this just did this..)... the next day they say "no apps that don't show us source code which we take ownership of"...

      Apple is being beyond unethical here; its down right assinine. Their entire platform would be crap if not for the users. The biggest claimed "feature" of the iphone is the app store and its billions of apps. Who created those apps? Third parties.
      Now that apple has these apps they are saying you know what, screw the third parties without which our platform wouldn't be popular (imagine an iphone without any apps other than the ones that came installed plus the one-three Apple apps). We are now going to start changing the terms and screwing with them now that we are in a dominant position.

      its bull crap, and its why I wont renew my iphone and probably won't by an apple product again. How long until apple applies the app store to the mac as whole? Seriously if its so important to the experience you would think they would have done it there first wouldn't you?

      Apple's basic pattern is leech off of open source, polish it up real nice, then lock it down tighter and tighter once it catches on at all, and never contribute anything back. (why do you think they prefer BSD style licenses?) There is nothing extraordinarily innovative about the iPad or iPhone, it took what the Palm Pilot and Palm Smart Phone showed us in the early 90's and just went further with today's hardware capabilities. Heck we saw tablet pc's in the 2000's too.

      all i want to know is when does the anti-trust investigation start, they've gotten about as anti-competitive as you can get in the smartphone market if you believe half of what they say.

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    37. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      If they'll never use it, how does it cost them anything? Is Mac OS X worse because it offers the ability to explore the Unix layer which most users won't need?

      I never said this applies to everything, did I? That Mac OS X is a Unix is one of its strengths. The user gains a lot, while losing only very little (every time they read of some terminal command to run to do this or that).

      In terms of the App Store, if Apple opened up the iPhone to third party stores, people will have to hunt around for apps, have different accounts with different stores, will have to import non-App Store apps into iTunes, etc.

      With just the sole App Store, this complexity is entirely avoided. The user loses little in terms of additional apps, but gains a lot in terms of ease of use.

      Amazing that it's now an "extreme" position that I should be able to run software of my choice on my own hardware.

      No, it's extreme to give up so much for so little, couching this in terms of some sort of absolute freedom.

    38. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      None of the limitations under discussion are hardware issues. Removing Bluetooth was through an alternate firmware, as is the lock-in on the Apple App Store, and the Backflip store lock-in.

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    39. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

      hassle and easy != freedom

      iphone is not liberating, its not freeing you from anything.

      Improved user experience != freedom

      you can say that apple "frees" you from certain user interface detractions, but that's it.

      fanboy much?

      People like you are why we lose our civil liberties everyday.

      The movie analogy is pretty bad for a lot of other reaasons. You gain nothing from those concessions. My viewing is not improved because they control the food. Their profits are. My viewing is not affected by their refusal to show porn; if you don't want to watch it don't buy a ticket. Neither of those have any significant impact on the services they offer.

      Here's my larger issue. I can produce and sell software for the Mac OS without paying them a dime last time i checked. Similarly I can install what I like. Why is the iphone treated any differently in this regard than a mac or a macbook pro?

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    40. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by MooseMuffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store

      Oh, so I'm free to get my iphone porn apps form other stores then?

    41. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Foolicious · · Score: 1

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

      liar

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    42. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

      Or in the infamous words of Lee Iacoca:
      "You are free to have any color car that you like... as long as its black"

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    43. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Smeagel · · Score: 1

      This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store. They are not trying to control what you think, nor what you do while using their products. AT ALL.

      "AT ALL."???

      How is "you're not allowed to run programs that do things we don't want you to do" not being controlled "AT ALL"? Please let's not pretend like this is just porn. They rejected a satire app a few months ago, as has been widely publicized. The rejected the google voice app - and you can bet your ass it's not because it would "limit the iphone experience". Google apps are very high quality. The reason they did it is because you're 100% wrong, they DO want to control what you do while using their products. They want to COMPLETELY control what you do - they deny you from doing anything they don't want you to do, that's COMPLETE control, the very opposite of your claim.

    44. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by jonfr · · Score: 1

      So Steve Jobs is into fascism now, or something like it. This type of draconian idealism is a bad thing.

      It is really cheap to hide your fascism under the umbrella of "moral responsibility". I expect that iPhone is going to start censor calls on the fly because of Steve Jobs "moral responsibility" to keep "bad stuff" out of iPhone and from the people how use it.

    45. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      As long as they ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY impose that their store is the only way to get apps on the phone the two are one and the same and can not be seperated.

      You are right that they can't be separated, but they are NOT one and the same.

      They are absolutely controlling what you do while using their products.

      No, they are not. They are only controlling the source of Apps.

      Apple is being beyond unethical here; its down right assinine. Their entire platform would be crap if not for the users. The biggest claimed "feature" of the iphone is the app store and its billions of apps. Who created those apps? Third parties.

      The App Store would not be as successful as it is if Apple didn't exert control over it.

      Now that apple has these apps they are saying you know what, screw the third parties without which our platform wouldn't be popular

      No, Apple has exerted this control since day one. In fact, Apple has gradually decreased control, not increased it. They aren't crapping all over those that made their platform successful. Quite the opposite.

      its bull crap, and its why I wont renew my iphone and probably won't by an apple product again. How long until apple applies the app store to the mac as whole?

      They may add the App Store as a way to distribute Mac apps, if that's what you mean (and many developers have been calling for just that). Just like Steam is to Windows (except being more than just games). But they will never, ever lock the Mac down like they have with the iPhone. The Mac isn't an iPhone. It has different strengths and different needs.

      Seriously if its so important to the experience you would think they would have done it there first wouldn't you?

      No, because I'm not a paranoid buffoon who thinks Apple has any desire to control my mind. Macs are not iPhones or iPads or iPods. It's kind of funny, when the iPod couldn't run apps at all, you didn't hear people crying that Apple wanted to limit the Mac to only playing music (there were *jokes* about replacing the keyboard with a click-wheel, though, so there is that I guess).

      Apple's basic pattern is leech off of open source, polish it up real nice, then lock it down tighter and tighter once it catches on at all, and never contribute anything back.

      You're an idiot. Apple contributes a lot to the open source community, including entire projects created internally at Apple that they have no obligation whatsoever to distribute the code to.

      There is nothing extraordinarily innovative about the iPad or iPhone, it took what the Palm Pilot and Palm Smart Phone showed us in the early 90's and just went further with today's hardware capabilities. Heck we saw tablet pc's in the 2000's too.

      The innovation is that they are something that people will actually buy and use. That's where design and usability and user experience come into play.

      all i want to know is when does the anti-trust investigation start, they've gotten about as anti-competitive as you can get in the smartphone market if you believe half of what they say.

      Do explain how they have violated anti-trust laws. They don't have a monopoly, they haven't engaged in trust activities with other companies, they haven't exploited a monopoly to push another product.

    46. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by mrFur · · Score: 1

      Actually that's exactly the point... the app store is Apple's property and they can use it as they see fit. If I have a convenience store and I choose not to sell porn that's my business decision. I forgo the option of that revenue. You do not have the right to walk into my store and demand that I cater to your desire - I do that as a business decision.

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    47. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Obyron · · Score: 1

      It's more like the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want Sasha Grey in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having her as a guest.

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    48. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      you can say that apple "frees" you from certain user interface detractions, but that's it.

      Exactly. That one little thing frees most people, giving them the ability to actually make use of the thing. For those of us who are capable of using it, it frees us from a lot of hassle and annoyance.

      Ubuntu, for example, frees people (not entirely successfully) from having to use the terminal to use Linux.

      By entirely excluding this aspect of freedom from the discussion, you are damning people for choosing something that allows them to do many things they would otherwise not be able to do.

      This is exactly the same type of freedom that a car (for example) provides. For most people, it means they can do more than they could have done otherwise.

      Here's my larger issue. I can produce and sell software for the Mac OS without paying them a dime last time i checked. Similarly I can install what I like. Why is the iphone treated any differently in this regard than a mac or a macbook pro?

      Because the iPhone isn't a Mac. Apple understands this. It's a shame far too many geeks can't seem to grasp such a simple concept.

    49. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 1

      How is "you're not allowed to run programs that do things we don't want you to do" not being controlled "AT ALL"?

      Because the bolded part isn't true. If it were, then you'd be correct.

      Apple isn't refusing to carry porn because they don't want you to view porn. It's because they don't want to carry porn. This is so exceptionally simple.

      They want to COMPLETELY control what you do - they deny you from doing anything they don't want you to do, that's COMPLETE control, the very opposite of your claim.

      This is fundamentally absurd. They do not want to "COMPLETELY control" what I do. You're just being a paranoid delusional.

    50. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      You do realize that an Xbox is just a PC with Palladium-styled DRM built in right? It runs Windows and there's no good technical reason you shouldn't be able to run the Xbox games on a regular PC.

      Going back in history, you might remember the comment "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run" tactics (even if that quote has been debunked). Ever use Stac Electronics' Stacker? How about QEMM? Sidekick? If so you may remember some of the issues and workarounds to make Microsoft products work when they detected these utilities. Microsoft has been found guilty providing information to other internal software development teams -- the Office Team is one example -- that isn't / wasn't available to competitors. In those cases it was more of an issue of crushing the competition than preventing the software from running, but both are examples of a walled garden, which is the point of your post.

      Since Microsoft is largely responsible for the "Microsoft Tax" on almost all new computers sold, you could include that as walled / anticompetitive behavior. If the average consumer has to pay for the OS it in its own way prevents sales of competing OS's, which extends to suppressing sales of software designed for those competing OS's.

    51. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

      It came more appropriately than "censored". Neither is actually the right fit for what Jobs/Apple are doing. But once you say "censor", people jump all over you over hairsplitting definitions of what constitutes censorship.

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    52. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      I am posting this, facing Dam square, in Amsterdam. I assure you, not only is this true, but just one canal/street away it requires some effort NOT to see them. And I ain't really looking - just walking over to buy an 11 Euro pack of fags.

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    53. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by spazdor · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

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    54. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You mean except for XBox and Windows Phone 7 right?

    55. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Just wait your time is coming too.

    56. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Wain13001 · · Score: 1

      "This IS NOT because they don't want you to have porn apps at all, but because they want to control the quality of the iPhone experience..."

      I fail to see how these two ideas are not in fact the same thing. If they want to control the iPhone experience, then YES, they DO in fact care many whits about what you do on your iPhone, hence the limiting of what you can do on it.

    57. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      "If Steve Jobs thinks that sex is immoral then I hope he doesn't engage in it himself."
      That would explain the many Apple apologists on Slashdot ;)

    58. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      In that same week was "comstockery", if that fits any better.

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    59. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

      You mean, you can order real prostitutes on your phone?

    60. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      I rock the 'buntu champ, I really doubt "my time is coming" in regards to DRM and lockdown.

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    61. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      They're both failures no one really uses, they occupy a tiny fraction of the markets they're in.

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    62. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Smeagel · · Score: 1

      Because the bolded part isn't true. If it were, then you'd be correct.

      Apple isn't refusing to carry porn because they don't want you to view porn. It's because they don't want to carry porn. This is so exceptionally simple.

      What exactly isn't true about apple not allowing you to run programs that do things they don't want you to do? They don't want you using google voice, so they don't let google put an app up (aka they don't let you run it). They have a long history of trying to brick peoples devices who get through apples protection - why do that if it was all about the "user experience"? If someone willingly opted out of the user experience, why is apple deliberately destroying that persons user experience to preserve the "user experience"? Take your time responding, I realize you're very busy drinking koolaid these days.

    63. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Okay you got me on the Xbox, but other than that you're post is reading comprehension FAIL.

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    64. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      *your

      before some pedantic douche bag posts about it.

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    65. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Apple sells the same kind of freedom as Microsoft.

      Hardly. Until the advent of Android, Winmo was about the most open smartphone OS out there ... Microsoft doesn't care what you do with it, any more than Google gives a flying you-know-what about whether you watch porn videos on your N1.

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    66. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by citylivin · · Score: 1

      "You are free to download all the porn you want yourself, outside of Apple's store."

      I was under the impression that all software on the iphone had to be acquired through the apple app store, using apple itunes. You are saying there are competing app stores which do not require you to crack your phone?

      I hadn't heard about those, please enlighten us all. Surely if there are other places to get apps, then people who have had their apps banned are just whiners, as they can pick a competing store.
      Right?

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    67. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by ikono · · Score: 1

      Wow, a gay orgy for only 11 euros??? Sign me up!!!

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    68. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      No.

      It will be like someone selling you a house and actively preventing you from having parties in it because it is immoral from their perspective.

      You know what I say to that? Take your house, I am going to put my money somewhere else.

    69. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Yes to everything you said.

      But it's not a bug. It's a feature.

      Disney made a lot of money turning a swamp into a whitewashed fantasy land. Apple is trying to do that for the tiny bit of the software market they control. If you don't like it, get an Android, just as Steve Jobs suggested.

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    70. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by node+3 · · Score: 0, Troll

      What exactly isn't true about apple not allowing you to run programs that do things they don't want you to do?

      Because their blocking of programs isn't because they do things they don't want you to do.

      They don't want you using google voice, so they don't let google put an app up (aka they don't let you run it).

      Not true. They don't want you to replace the built-in phone functions with Google Voice. *NOT* because Apple doesn't want you to use Google Voice (you can, Google even has a nice web app for it that you can save as an icon right on your iPhone). It's that Apple doesn't want the user experience to be degraded by replacing the built-in phone app.

      I don't agree with them in this case, but regardless, it's not a case of Apple wanting to control you.

      They have a long history of trying to brick peoples devices who get through apples protection

      Um, no. There was one update which bricked some unlocked iPhones due to a bug in the replacement baseband used by the unlockers. Apple later released an update which fixed those phones. Even if it were deliberate, one example doesn't make for a "long history".

      If someone willingly opted out of the user experience, why is apple deliberately destroying that persons user experience to preserve the "user experience"?

      This is not because they want to control you. It's because they want to control the quality iPhone user experience. If this is offensive to you, you can simply buy another phone. Very few people have a problem with this.

      The problem for Apple here is that if it's a simple opt-out to use third-party apps, then it's a pretty meaningless distinction. People will simply opt-out, have problems, then blame Apple. Yes, putting an opt-out with a stern warning technically puts the blame on the user, but they'll still blame Apple, and it will tarnish the reputation of quality and usability that Apple strives for.

      Apple's biggest strength is the quality of their products. So it makes sense that they'll preserve that, even at the expense of some amount of freedom. Google's biggest strength is their openness and ubiquity. So it makes sense that they'll trade away some quality to become more of a commodity.

      Take your time responding, I realize you're very busy drinking koolaid these days.

      No, I'm just not a moron who thinks Steve Jobs wants to control me.

      Neither Apple, nor Steve Jobs, wants to control you, your thoughts, none of that (do you not realize how absurd it is I have to write something like that?). Their control over the iPhone is all centered around keeping the iPhone as high a quality experience as they can muster.

    71. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you just fuck off...?

    72. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to be funny, or are you really so dumb that you think Slashdot would post Apple stories if they didn't constantly generate 200+ comments?

      "We're paying Slashdot to keep running Apple stories so we can bitch about them running Apple stories!" The nitwittery on this site is breath-taking.

    73. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      Someone send Jobs to Avenue Q, stat! :P

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    74. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.

      Ever try loading a self-signed certificate on to their Windows Mobile platform?

      Just plug the brand-spankin' new phone into a machine running Windows 2008 or Vista via the USB cable and it automatically detects the phone and installs^H^H^H^H^Hfails to load the drivers. Once you get the drivers loaded, you can just copy the cert over to the pho...shit. No memory card. You can't access the phones 'internal' memory.

      No worries, it's an internet-enabled device. Although I can't connect to the company wifi because I have no cert, I can just stick it on our IIS web server and download it to the phone...except the phone won't let you download a file with .cer or .crt as the extension. So rename it to .zip...except IIS refuses to serve zip files in its default config....and .txt tries to display the raw cert data. IE on the damn phone doesn't have a 'right-click->save target as' menu either, so creating an HTML page with a link to the cert doesn't work either.

      Maybe name the certificate cert.dat....oh--that fails too. WTF?

      Ok--plug my Android phone into Windows. Shows up as a disk drive. Copy cert to Android. Use bluetooth to push it to the WinMo phone...except it won't push the cert unless the phones are actually paired. No ad-hoc file transfers. Lame. Pair phones, transfer cert, install, done.

      Gee--that only wasted about 2 hours of my life for their 'friendly' platform.

      Compare that with my android hooking up to Exchange. Put in server details, and click 'Ignore the F*&#@$& cerficate warning'. Done. Less than 60 seconds.

      And no--in a company with 15 WinMo phones, I do NOT want to spend thousands of dollars on System Center Mobile so I can auto-provision the phones with the damn cert and some very basic and crappy IT policy stuff.

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    75. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by mjwx · · Score: 1
      Disclosure: Linux fan, I doubt that puts me in the minority here.

      I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.

      MS doesn't give a crap what you do so long as you give them their yearly cheque. I'm currently managing IT in a small business and MS has said, they don't care that I'm using VLK's for the terminal server (we dont get VLK's in MAPS but do in Empower) so long as I'm only using my allotted 15 office licenses. MS has even been some help in marketing the business as they want to push MS in the BI (Business Intelligence) world.

      MS understands their customer, the business and they understand keeping their customer happy is paramount. Pay the yearly fee, keep track of licenses and MS will leave you the hell alone (the official line is if your 2% out you're fine).

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    76. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Or in the infamous words of Lee Iacoca: "You are free to have any color car that you like... as long as its black"

      That was actually Henry Ford.

      And for other great quotes there is: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols [of the Learned Elders of Zion] is that they fit in with what is going on." - Henry Ford

      "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration" - Adolph Hitler

    77. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1
      Pretty ludicrous statement this Steve Jobs makes. Is he keeping all the porn website off the iPhone as well? In that case the iPhone is not porn-free so stop throwing mud at Android. I choose freedom.

      PS: Does he keep porn off MacOS, too?

    78. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You're right, though to be fair, in both cases it's not Microsoft's "innovation". Consoles have been locked down pretty much since they first appeared, and as for WP7, it seems to be just ripping off iPhone in that regard (I guess the logic to that is rather cargo-cultish: "they make tons of $$$ on that, but we're not sure why -> let's just do the exact same thing!").

      And yet, with the new Apple licensing terms, Apple is again one step ahead in terms of lockdown - you can still use any language you want for WP7 (so long as it can be compiled to CIL).

    79. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by bakdor · · Score: 1

      Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest. Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?

      Help me out with this OJ Simpson analogy - is he driving a car?

    80. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by lxs · · Score: 1

      Being an elitist bastard, I prefer Ad usum Delphini myself.

    81. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I can look at REAL tits, thanks.

      Most of us aren't turned on by man boobs.

    82. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by ultranova · · Score: 1

      The lack of a third party app store isn't because the care one whit what you do with your iPhone. What they care about is the overall iPhone experience, and they believe that third party stores would degrade that experience. I agree with them, and the success of the iPhone tends to back this up.

      The lack of third party app stores is simply because Apple wants to milk iPhone for all it's worth. IPhone is the phone equivalent of a game console.

      Why do people insist on making elaborate excuses when the actual (business) reason is so blazingly obvious?

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    83. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sac13 · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products...

      Nope... Not you, me or the malware producers...

    84. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      I thought you said you use Windows?

    85. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      I don't see much good in his stance, but in his intent remember what paves the road to hell. In your satirical whitewashing re-hash of his words I see sour grapes.

    86. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Simply putting the cart in the correct place. Horses work better if they are pulling.

    87. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that one! I didn't know it, myself.

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    88. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Well I'm not the world's most physical guy
      But when she squeezed me tight
      She nearly broke my spine
      Oh my Lola
      Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

      Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand
      Why she walked like a woman
      And talked like a man
      Oh my Lola
      Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

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    89. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. It's OK when Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, and many other companies do it. It's only an assault on our basic human freedoms when Apple does it decades later on ONE class of devices they sell. (IE: not their PCs, where people actually expect full control)

    90. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Most of us aren't gay, either.

    91. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by soliptic · · Score: 1

      Try and get a Google account without submitting a verifiable mobile number.

      What sort of Google account do you mean?

      I've got several Gmail accounts without ever being asked for a mobile number. AFAIK those Gmail accounts serve as "google accounts" for their other services. Youtube, maps, groups, analytics - I've been able to use all of these without ever being asked for a mobile number.

      Nor can this be a "but it's changed lately" thing, because the last gmail account I signed up for, sans mobile number, was only about 10 days ago (wanted another pseudonymous throwaway email).

      If you mean an android service then I'm lost - you want to get a mobile phone without the mobile phone provider knowing your mobile phone number?

      In short: eh? wat?

    92. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by w3woody · · Score: 1

      Never lived anywhere with a Home Owners Association, have you?

    93. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Except for those who have compulsion to emphasize this publicly...

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    94. Re:Ready Pitchforks! by blackpig · · Score: 1

      Try and get a Google account without submitting a verifiable mobile number.

      I'm not sure what you mean. I've created a few Google accounts and never once been asked for a mobile number.

  2. So does he own any android phones? by hansraj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or he only watches "reputable porn"?

    1. Re:So does he own any android phones? by catxk · · Score: 1

      "Reputable porn" just rings of middle-aged American white male.

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    2. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he only watches "reputable porn"?

      Steve only goes for the classic full bush that only the reputable guys offer these days.

    3. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      "Reputable porn" just rings of middle-aged American white male.

      So, pretty much all of it, then?

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    4. Re:So does he own any android phones? by catxk · · Score: 1

      I believe porn viewers include far more people than middle-aged white Americans you insensitive clod. Take for example young Europeans, a group which ought to outnumber the middle-aged Americans a few times over.

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    5. Re:So does he own any android phones? by KharmaWidow · · Score: 1

      Wow - how does it feel to be racist?

    6. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's so noble ... I so admire Steve Jobs. He's looking out for the children. What a great guy! I think all companies should take action so that parents don't have to do any parenting. maybe there will be an iPhone babysitting app next. Oooh or a surgically implanted iPhone so you can track your kids' every move online and off!

    7. Re:So does he own any android phones? by stackOVFL · · Score: 3, Funny

      No app for that? Guess we need to wait for the iPorn? Or is that iPad? I'm so confused

    8. Re:So does he own any android phones? by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      What is "reputable porn"? Would that be porn where the woman shows no doubts whatsoever about wanting to have sex with that particular man, so as to avoid allegations of encouraging rape?

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    9. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knew there was a reason the iPhone sucks

    10. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      white American male with ring? Goatse?

      and regarding the main story, I have two words: BLOW JOBS!

    11. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knew there was a reason the iPhone sucks

      yeap - sucks 'cos there are blowJobs

    12. Re:So does he own any android phones? by j35ter · · Score: 1

      Well, as a typical European porn viewer, I can attest that "Reputable Porn" sucks. Gimme the real stuff or die!

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    13. Re:So does he own any android phones? by SupaSaru · · Score: 1

      "If you want porn that doesn't make Apple money, you can own an Android. There's a whole store on Apple that offers questionable material that makes Apple money, but if you want porn that does not make Apple money.... we don't need you as a customer." 3 Apple

    14. Re:So does he own any android phones? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      He buys Playboy to read the articles. And that's what everybody else who buys the Playboy app does too.

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    15. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Droid does Porn. Welcome to Porndroid.

    16. Re:So does he own any android phones? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Or he only watches "reputable porn"?

      Well then he can just "fuck off" ;-)

      How does reputable porn work anyway? "Pass the vagina would you please Giles." "Yes, sir"???

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    17. Re:So does he own any android phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he only watches "reputable porn"?

      I'd like to know which categories of porn will be classified as reputable and what the alternative would be called.

      IMHO Apple and Moral are two words that can't go together in just one sentence.

    18. Re:So does he own any android phones? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      they don't watch gay porn, they DO it!

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    19. Re:So does he own any android phones? by McGruber · · Score: 2, Funny

      No app for that? Guess we need to wait for the iPorn? Or is that iPad?

      iSpank

  3. In other news... by maugle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sales of Android phones increased 1000%.

    1. Re:In other news... by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Informative

      For about ten minutes before customers realized that they could still get porn using Safari and that iTunes gladly lets them transfer their porn videos to the iPhone.

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    2. Re:In other news... by exabrial · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is there porn on the itunes store? Or are you using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the origanal license?

    3. Re:In other news... by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's plenty of porn out there that's perfectly legal to transfer to a mobile device. Hell, format shifting from a DVD is likely to be legal in most countries (although for some reason I'm assuming it's a felony in the US).

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    4. Re:In other news... by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Insightful

          I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.

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    5. Re:In other news... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, we joke about it, but whatever the porn industry backs usually ends up being the winner in format wars.

      Blu Ray, VHS...

      The only favour you're doing is helping droids, not iPhone customers.

    6. Re:In other news... by alen · · Score: 1

      there is a firefox plugin to download videos from youtube that works on a lot of porn sites. and you can use handbrake which is free to convert to the native iphone/touch format for better battery efficiency. and a lot of the tube sites work natively in safari.

      and for wife proof surfing there are apps like private browser which wipes all the history of the session. kind of like IE/FF private browsing

    7. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there porn on the itunes store? Or are you using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the origanal license?

      baaahahahhahahahah

    8. Re:In other news... by Goaway · · Score: 1

      How about continuing that list? Here's one suggestion: RealMedia.

    9. Re:In other news... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ripping a DVD for your own use is legal. DECRYPTING it with an unauthorized backup tool is not thanks to the DMCA, but the vast majority of porn DVD's have no copy protection, in which case the DMCA doesn't come into play.

      Not to mention that there are sites that already cater to this. www.videobox.com for example even has an "iPod" option on their video downloads that downloads a MPEG4 file already optimized for placeback on an iPod, that will import straight into iTunes. Completely legal, and works fine.

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    10. Re:In other news... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other words, as GP says, you are using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the original license.

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    11. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For about ten minutes before customers realized that they could still get porn using Safari...

      Cool, I'll just load up RedTube in iPhone Safari here and.... look at the wonderful porn provided by the lack of Flash.

    12. Re:In other news... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only is the actual availability of porn a potential driving force, Apple has just shattered their facade of being a "cool, forward thinking company".

      As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types. Apple have far less of a need than many to worry about the older, more conservative buyers. Using porn as the bogeyman just isn't going to fly with young people - trying to drag an opponent's name through the mud by associating it with something that plenty of people now consider harmless just makes Apple look out of touch.

    13. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try it.
      h264 works without flash, specifically on redtube.

    14. Re:In other news... by Applekid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.

      Perhaps. But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."

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    15. Re:In other news... by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      Android was already the nerdier type of phone and nerds are large consumers of porn, but nerds don't pay for porn.

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    16. Re:In other news... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      You can't really say that "backed" it when it was just one choice next to .mpg and .wmv on most sites.

    17. Re:In other news... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny

      For about ten minutes before customers realized that they could still get porn using Safari and that iTunes gladly lets them transfer their porn videos to the iPhone.

      You know, being among that (apparently small) group of people who only use my phone for phone calls ... I am completely baffled as to why anyone would want porn on their phone. I just can't imagine where I'd be that porn on my phone would be what I most needed.

      Then again, I don't text, surf the web, or any of half a dozen things with my cell phone that everyone else seems to want to do. So, I'm likely missing the point. :-P

      Cheers

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    18. Re:In other news... by GreenEnvy22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True for VHS, but initially the adult industry backed HD-DVD, not bluray,and bluray still won.

    19. Re:In other news... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Funny

      But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."

      Good job he didn't mention the Kin, then you can download porn *of* your kids.

    20. Re:In other news... by MMInterface · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately most of the streaming porn that people watch on their browsers is in Flash. The same problem exists with streaming sites that play for foreign dramas. Even if HTML5 really catches on it will generally be for mainstream content. The iTunes thing is kind of a pain. Downloaded videos are rarely in a format that iTunes will recognize. You have to convert your whole library to their format which is time consuming. Porn is more of a spontaneous activity. If your not in the mood to watch it immediately you aren't going to be in the mood to convert your porn files to an iPad friendly format.

    21. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded flamebait for telling the truth? Downloading content from video streaming sites is generally illegal.

    22. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MBGMorden sez:

      but the vast majority of porn DVD's have no copy protection

      Or so you've heard...

    23. Re:In other news... by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      What is this "license" you speak of?

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    24. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My iPhone needs ribs.

    25. Re:In other news... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Is there porn on the itunes store? Or are you using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the origanal license?

      First time, I read that as 'orgasmal'...

    26. Re:In other news... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Easier still, youporn lets you download the vids directly.
      Ahem, or so a friend tells me...

    27. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beta really lost because it couldn't hold an entire movie on one tape, porn might have helped VHS but probably not that much. Blu-ray on the other hand didn't have any porn, all porn was on HD-DVD. The porn argument has become less and less relevant as time has passed. Once it became ubiquitous formats no longer mattered. I doubt very many people will buy an android phone over an iphone because of porn apps.

    28. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not a felony if the MAFIAA don't know you did it.

      so shut up about it! I want to still be able to secretly do it!

    29. Re:In other news... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      AHA! Now all the Flash burning parties going on at Apple make sense!

      Burn the Flash, down with porn! Glory be to Jobs!

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    30. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll!? Try insightful mods

    31. Re:In other news... by aBaldrich · · Score: 1

      I like it more when it's illegal.

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    32. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only they backed HD-DVD; not Blu-ray.

    33. Re:In other news... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought that was the reason they banned porn apps from the App Store, as explained here.

      "You know Steve, he's all about user interface. We considered changing the App Store so that when you enter 'boobs' it says, 'The web is that way, stupid!'"

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    34. Re:In other news... by westlake · · Score: 0

      As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types.

      Porn is adolescent.

      Pixar is adult. The iPad is adult.

      That is Job's message - and it is what his young up-scale urban-sophisticate audience wants and needs to hear.
       

    35. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grandpa, is that you...?

    36. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pixar porn?

      Lightning, Sally and Mater three-way with Marlin and Dory getting it on in the back seat while Buzz gives Woody a blowjob on the roof?

      Oh god.

    37. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a more serious note, apple does this to make their product sell to more people. Parents wouldn't let their kids have iPhones/iTouches if they could click a button and automatically download porn. Sure some sort of filter could be set up, but that makes them look bad. Right now there's not many people question wether or not their kids are downloading obscene content to their iPhone.
      In conclusion, this appeals to the majority, if it doesn't appeal to you that's okay you don't need an iPhone/iTouch.

    38. Re:In other news... by the_one(2) · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure that bluray won. It is obvious that hd-dvd lost but I doubt that bluray will catch on (in countries with decent broadband that is)

    39. Re:In other news... by jben21 · · Score: 1

      So in much the same way as HDDVD is out the window, so two will go the iPhone. Porn will clearly choose the Android now.

    40. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in fascist/totallitarian states.... oh, wait.

    41. Re:In other news... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Porn is adolescent.

      Pixar is adult. The iPad is adult.

      That wasn't the argument he made here, though. I think in this case he's missed the mark. Blocking the porn apps themselves was one thing, but painting it as a moral issue and trying to call Google 'guilty by association' is quite another. If he'd said "You're not horny teenagers any more, why not stop watching porn and just go out to a bar and find an actual person to have sex with?" I think he'd actually have come across much better!

      That is Job's message - and it is what his young up-scale urban-sophisticate audience wants and needs to hear.

      In my experience, few young adults consider porn dangerous, immoral or corrupting. The way that Jobs put this forward (using the word 'moral', especially) makes them look extremely out of touch with the feelings of their customer base.

    42. Re:In other news... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types.

      No, they are just the small market of trendsetters - the core market in terms of revenue are all those that want to mimic the young, rich, art/media types. For example, there's quite a huge market of wannabe teenagers/students who is dependent on their parents to get money for their flashy new toy. If android is the pr0n phone and iPhone the clean phone, which is the one you think you'll see under the Christmas tree, as birthday presents and so on? The iPhone. And while I'm sure the art/media types watch pr0n as much as the rest of us, the outward profile is classy and pr0n has never been classy except maybe a few art movies. Not like the older people no, far more relax with regards to sex and nudity and porn and all that but I still most will think pulling up your phone to watch hardcore slapping is more tacky than anything else.

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    43. Re:In other news... by mrjohnson · · Score: 1

      "Pixar is adult. The iPad is adult."

      Uhm, adults have sex.

      Ok well, some adults have sex. This is slashdot.

    44. Re:In other news... by al3 · · Score: 1

      All he had to say was "I choose not to sell that stuff in my store" and no one could argue with that position. This "moral responsibility" statement sets him up for all kinds of criticism.

    45. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the porn industry had chosen HD DVD as their format of choice since it was cheaper to release onto and Sony had taken the same "no porn" stance as Apple does today...

      I find it humorous when people think that in this day in age that the porn industry has any kind of sway in deciding what physical media is decided upon by the public when it comes to format wars. It seems like the people that make these arguments are overlooking one small but important technological advance that the porn industry helped spurn: the adoption of broadband Internet.

      It was true in the olden days when one could only obtain their porn in physical formats: VHS vs Betamax, VHS vs DVD. But when broadband Internet hit the scene things changed dramatically for the porn industry. You now have entire studios having trouble just staying afloat as they compete with the a service that customers are already paying for. Compound that by a society full of closet freaks and exhibitionists and now you have a majority of studios disappearing almost overnight. Hell, with an empornium.us account and a USB drive recognizing media player why would I ever buy a disc?

      Face facts. A vast majority of people got broadband Internet for faster porn delivery because web sites in those days weren't as interactive or traffic intensive. I know I didn't get broadband to stare at crappy ass Geocities web pages. By pushing broadband Internet they effectively slit their own throats.

    46. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pixar is adult.

      ... what? The children's-movie studio?

    47. Re:In other news... by Rasperin · · Score: 1

      Tiger woods would!

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    48. Re:In other news... by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Or neither one.

    49. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! 20 people have bought Android phones.

    50. Re:In other news... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Uhm, adults have sex.

      Show us the evidence ...

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    51. Re:In other news... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Don't judge me!

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    52. Re:In other news... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      It might just be that the porn industry backs the format that looks like it's going to win. They don't really have enough pull compared to non-porn to sway the market.

    53. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading content from video streaming sites is generally illegal.

      I just love those video sites that don't allow downloading. The problem is I don't have the appropriate plug-in to view the videos ... I evidently need some new meta-physical quantum fiddle-faddle so that local movie files are generated from random bits and, by some miracle, match exactly what is on the server.

    54. Re:In other news... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Grandpa, is that you...?

      No, now get off of my fucking lawn. :-P

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    55. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt having a 'clean' aka porn app free iPhone is really going to matter on that level. Consider that you can still surf the web where free porn is. Its like stating that come Christmas which will you see under the Christmas tree? The computer with internet capabilities that can find online porn or the computer unable to go online and thus 'clean' of porn?

    56. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is the actual availability of porn a potential driving force, Apple has just shattered their facade of being a "cool, forward thinking company".

      As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types. Apple have far less of a need than many to worry about the older, more conservative buyers. Using porn as the bogeyman just isn't going to fly with young people - trying to drag an opponent's name through the mud by associating it with something that plenty of people now consider harmless just makes Apple look out of touch.

      Most people that own Apple product are older actually. It's a common misnomer that "youngsters" are the driving force behind Apple.

    57. Re:In other news... by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1

      Are you saying nobody lived in caves until someone drew boobies on the wall?

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    58. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do surf the web, and dozens of other things with my smartphone. I like porn too, my desktop has some, and on occasion I've iTunes'd it over to the iPhone without problems. But there's one thing I don't want at all, and that's porn applications. I'm about as interested as installing those on my iPhone (where I can't) as I am on my Windows / Linux PCs (where I don't). The few porn apps I've seen just seem to get in the way of the media. All I've ever done with them is figure out how to extract the raw media (if it does something for me) and throw away the app.

    59. Re:In other news... by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, the caves that had the women with boobies were probably the most popular ones.

          There was an interesting piece on the History Channel (I believe) about the brothels of Pompeii.

          An awful lot of our history has been determined by either sex or driven because of sex. Occasionally people try to deny this, but in the end it is what drives humanity. Well, humanity is a bit narrow minded, it's what has driven any organism that thrives. Without these instinctual urges, an organism would be a dead end on their evolutionary path.

          Someone will probably want to go all religious on this, so let me beat them to the punch.

      God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth...

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    60. Re:In other news... by stimpleton · · Score: 1

      "As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types"

      Very true. I am showing my age but I am observing the younger girls at work(juniors etc) referring to "their porn" and "Porn... alright".

      I suspect things are very different from the current generation over mine where it was a few dog eared mags under your bed.

      As a side issue I approach them with outright professionalism. I dont want "That creepy guy" tag.

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    61. Re:In other news... by mrjohnson · · Score: 1

      Uhm, adults have sex.

      Show us the evidence ...

      I have no evidence. I'm married.

    62. Re:In other news... by nemoss · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what have they actually won? Bluray's done poorly enough to be considered a failure

    63. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

          I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.

      It's counterproductive for Apple to make this announcement. The semi-geeky public is fresh out of the debates about "no Flash on iPad or iPhones." They are still looking for a cheap satisfying way of scratching the Flash itch, and though we have many cheap Windows 7 and a few Android tablets, it's still up to time and marketing to have a word-of-mouth competitor to Apple in the mainstream on $500 Tablets.

      When it comes to porn sources that can be watched from the privacy of one's bathroom on an iPhone or iPad, people can't care less for the "Store" source they use. No amount of Playboy-like apps at the App store is going to be more up-to-date than hundreds of Flash based sites like redtube. iPad haters who believe their "kids" are safe near their devices will find Steve Job's words as an endorsement for future Android-based TABLETS. They can have their cakes and [fap] it too. Then apple will just lift the App store bans silently in light of increasing competition. Unlike the similarly family-friendly Nintendo game consoles, iPhone subscriptions aren't paid for by kids, and the cellphone units are meant to have a time-forced password lock to prevent unauth. calls and snooping. Apple is just afraid of bandwidth increase through their carrier's network, and of the dangers of porn lovers who would pressure them in favor of Flash for their naughty sites.

    64. Re:In other news... by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Yes well, surprise! The iPhone/iPod has a web browser. They don't need a stinkin' app to put tits on the small screen, they just need WiFi.

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    65. Re:In other news... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Ripping a DVD for your own use is legal. DECRYPTING it with an unauthorized backup tool is not thanks to the DMCA

      NO that is FALSE.

      As the act itself says:
      Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.

      Decrypting is legal - possession of said tool is legal, it is the distribution of said tool that is illegal.

      Witness Slysoft's corporate move to Antigua, where distribution of such tools is legal, as a means to circumvent the DMCA and european equivalents's restrictions on distribution of copy-prevention circumvention tools.

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    66. Re:In other news... by Froboz23 · · Score: 1

      "Folks who want [open access to software applications and development environments] can buy an Android phone."

      There, fixed that for you, Steve.

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    67. Re:In other news... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Don't tell Steve Jobs; he'll start monitoring your browsing history and media library. :P

    68. Re:In other news... by masmullin · · Score: 1

      and for those of us in a trailer park "your kids' kids can download .... "

    69. Re:In other news... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Nah. He still gets to be called a megalomaniac for only allowing his store to exist.

      If Microsoft did this people would be comparing Bill Gates to Ghengis Khan and Ming the Merciless.

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    70. Re:In other news... by hduff · · Score: 1

      For about ten minutes before customers realized that they could still get porn using Safari and that iTunes gladly lets them transfer their porn videos to the iPhone.

      Tell Jobs so he can have those apps block that porn. Bad porn!

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    71. Re:In other news... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      >> As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types.
      >
      > Porn is adolescent.
      >
      > Pixar is adult. The iPad is adult.
      >
      > That is Job's message - and it is what his young up-scale urban-sophisticate audience wants and needs to hear.

      That's fine until you end up in some part of the deep south where the church ladies get their panties in a bunch over Michaelangelo's David.

      Real artists engage in shocking sh*t that makes porn seem positively pedestrian.

      The problem with "porn" definitions is that they inevitably cause "high art" to end up as collateral damage. Genuine artsy types realize this. If you try to ban anything that's remotely controversial, you quickly become completely irrelevant.

      Steve Jobs is not being "metrosexual". He's acting like a big fat cracker.

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    72. Re:In other news... by sorak · · Score: 1

      Either you forgot to click "post anonymously", or you, sir, are very brave.

    73. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forgot to add "The Internet"

    74. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is basically google and pr0n... and you're saying that google makes a phone and it, not apple's phone, can get me to all the pr0n in the world wide web and even get me a desktop stripper errr mobile stripper... awesome!!!!

      Jobs is a commi (in the IT sense of the word) and wants everyone to conform more than any socialist yet americans love his stuff....

    75. Re:In other news... by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Excepts it's bollocks, because you can access porn through the Web as always (who the hell downloads a "porn app" for their PC?) and a search for "porn iphone" returns 37 million results!

    76. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't somebody think of the children (and buy them an iPhone.) We swear Safari won't let you surf porn (of non-existent species of fungi).

    77. Re:In other news... by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Blu-Ray didn't "win", at least not in the honourable sense of "besting one's opponent in a challenge of skill". Sony just threw money at key people to make sure HD-DVD never got a fair shot.

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    78. Re:In other news... by edjs · · Score: 1

      Or at least stop getting off on my lawn.

    79. Re:In other news... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Porn industry was behind HD-DVD not Blu Ray, Sony however bought out all the key players to come from behind for a win.

    80. Re:In other news... by flubby! · · Score: 1

      Porn = harmless ?
      Porn = "cool, forward thinking" ?

      That makes me kind of sad...

      Can't you realize that Jobs maybe want to enforce a personal policy ? Maybe he really doesn't like that sort of things from an ethical point of view.

      No, I'm not that knew around here :)

      That don't explain the Playboy stuff, I know.

      And no, I'm not an Apple fanboy !

    81. Re:In other news... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      DECRYPTING it with an unauthorized backup tool is not legal in the USA thanks to the DMCA

      Fixed that for ya. It's legal to "circumvent" DRM in free countries.

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    82. Re:In other news... by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 1

      Or when a format wins and was backed up by the porn industry, it is more likely to be mentioned.

    83. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn we gotta spin this somehow....

      ok I got it.... if you want your kids to be sexting get an Iphone
      ehhhh I dunno... I got nothing

    84. Re:In other news... by jn20 · · Score: 1

      It may be illegal in some countries(US), however some countries actually have sane laws! It's legal to decrypt a dvd in Denmark if you own it. You can transfer the content of the dvd to any device you own legally.

    85. Re:In other news... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Porn = harmless ?

      I don't see what harm it's doing, and more than any other industry. I'd be genuinely interested to hear why you think otherwise, but from experience I assume it will be based on a moral code to which I do not subscribe. Apologies if my assumption is mistaken.

      Porn = "cool, forward thinking" ?

      That's not what I meant. Porn is neither inherently cool nor uncool. I was suggesting that using archaic moral standards in an attempt to taint their competition is what goes against that "cool, forward thinking" image.

      Can't you realize that Jobs maybe want to enforce a personal policy ? Maybe he really doesn't like that sort of things from an ethical point of view.

      Call me cynical, but I don't think I'll ever believe that a company exec is acting on anything but financial grounds. Sure, this might coincide with his personal principles (or it might not), but either way I don't think he would've said it without putting the (predicted) market impact first.

    86. Re:In other news... by alexo · · Score: 1

      Uhm, adults have sex.
      Show us the evidence ...

      My evidence is... You!
      (Unless you're a product of agamogenesis)

    87. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pshaw, hipsters don't have kids.

    88. Re:In other news... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Nah. He still gets to be called a megalomaniac for only allowing his store to exist.

      If Microsoft did this people would be comparing Bill Gates to Ghengis Khan and Ming the Merciless.

      Or Kahless the Unforgettable...

      Yes, I'll always remember that wonderful weekend Kahless and I spent in France... That little cafe... and what was the waiter's name?

      Er, anyway - we already make those comparisons.

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    89. Re:In other news... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Afaict it won the market for home-cinema buffs but many normal people don't care about HD enough to pay the extra and lose compatibility with their existing players.

      in countries with decent broadband that is
      to reliably stream proper HD video you probably want at least a nominal 10 megabit connection that actually delivers a significant proportion of it's bandwidth. How many countries can reliably deliver that?

      Plus I bet the quality still won't be good as bluray and the DRM will probably be worse.

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    90. Re:In other news... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Blu-Ray didn't "win", at least not in the honourable sense of "besting one's opponent in a challenge of skill". Sony just threw money at key people to make sure HD-DVD never got a fair shot.

      Yeah, well, couldn't the HD-DVD people have also thrown money at key people? Seems like just another set of skills being challenged, to me...

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    91. Re:In other news... by the_one(2) · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I'm probably a bit spoiled from living in a student town where everybody have between 10-100 Mbit. That's not really the norm for the rest of the country (yet). Also, since most people I know (that is, young, nerdy people) pirate video over the internet already I over extrapolated a bit. You are probably right on that point. Still I doubt how large market share bluray will have. It will be interesting to see.

    92. Re:In other news... by kramulous · · Score: 1

      You know, it's funny. I've not actually met anybody with a Bluray player. How many years has it been?

      I'd say Sony has lost as well.

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    93. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, we joke about it, but whatever the porn industry backs usually ends up being the winner in format wars.

      Blu Ray, VHS...

      The only favour you're doing is helping droids, not iPhone customers.

      Actually, the porn industry backed the HD DVD format, not Blu Ray.

    94. Re:In other news... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      This one.

      As far as I know, those are legally binding in the US.

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    95. Re:In other news... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, "

      Wrong. adult industries jump onto all technologies. This gives the appearance of being a driving force, but when you take into account all the failed technologies that they also used you quickly realize it's a myth.

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    96. Re:In other news... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Tell me was that on after the piece on Aliens, or before their piece on Bigfoot?

      Sex drives people, but porn does not determine which technology wins or loses.

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    97. Re:In other news... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Why didn't you mention Laser Disk, HD-DVD, Betamax, Zune?

      Porn gets on all formats. The people that make it don't care and the never 'back' anything.

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    98. Re:In other news... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Contrary to myth, Porn published titles on Betamax.

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    99. Re:In other news... by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, they aren't. Just because someone says (or writes) something doesn't make it legally binding...

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    100. Re:In other news... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      However, as I understand it, you can supply a license to the effect of, "If you don't like this license, you can't use this site." At least, that's the current theory.

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    101. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "your kids can download porn."

      Damn, I didn't know Safari on the iphone blocks porn.

    102. Re:In other news... by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Like most of the Slashdot crowd, I think you have got the core market completely wrong. Apple's core market nowadays is the everyday consumer: that includes young and old, liberal and conservative. And you definitely don't need to be rich to buy Apple products. By pandering to the Disney oh-think-of-the-children crowd, Jobs is appealing to the safest common denominator.

      I also disagree with you about lots of people thinking porn is harmless. Just about every male consumes porn, that is true. But in public, they're not going to admit that.

    103. Re:In other news... by deniable · · Score: 1

      I can't show you the evidence until you stop using the iPhone.

    104. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just about everyone I know buys into porn in one manner or another. Some of them joke about it, but none of them admit to it in any serious context. Maybe I just don't know the right people.

    105. Re:In other news... by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."

      I'm not afraid of my son downloading some of the same porn I look at.

      My greatest fear is that my dad might download some of the same porn I look at. That would just be #$%^& creepy. Ew, why did you even bring it up? I really hope he has some much different porn that would in no way overlap with my tastes.

    106. Re:In other news... by Builder · · Score: 1

      Ripping a DVD for your own use is legal.

      That depends on where you live. In the UK, it is illegal to rip a CD and copy it to your iPod. The same is likely true for DVDs.

    107. Re:In other news... by Zoxed · · Score: 1

      > I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn."

      Depends on the target market: for parents buying/OKing phones for their kids what Jobs says is just what they want to hear.

    108. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.. Let's start with the entirety of western Europe, significant portions of Asia (Japan, Korea and China spring to mind), then there's Canada, even though their government is doing everything they can to stop this from being so (We would've had a proper corporatist state if it wasn't for you meddling kids!), and then there's Brazil, growing very rapidly. Eastern Europe is catching up as well.

      So that's basically anywhere but real 3rd world countries and rural America.

      Can't comment about the quality, I avoid Bluray like the plague and do not give a shit about movies, HD or otherwise.

    109. Re:In other news... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Do you count the UK in western europe?

      Afaict most people in the UK are on some form of rate adaptive ADSL. If you are lucky you get about 8 Mbps out of this if it's ADSL1 (most BT wholesale stuff) and more (up to 24MBPs in theory but i've if it's ADSL2 (most LLU stuff). If you are not so lucky you may only get 1MBPs or so.

      Furthermore with BT wholesale based providers (who are the only option in many areas) the cost of links into the BT wholesale backend network is rather high. So ISPs tend to have at least one of bad congestion, throtting or traffic limits.

      Virgin cable is pretty good on perfomrance for traditional server based services but afaict they take steps to deliberately throttle bittorrent.

      --
      note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
    110. Re:In other news... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      An awful lot of our history has been determined by either sex or driven because of sex

      Yeah without sex hardly any of us would be here today.

    111. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sales of Android phones increased 1000%.

      ...at least in the male demographic

    112. Re:In other news... by flubby! · · Score: 1

      I agree there's more than a little chance he said that for marketing of financial reasons. I don't think you're cynical here, you're basing your opinion on a long serie of CEOs that made the same style of comments before Jobs did.

      My post's intent was to only question the tacit presupposition that since porn is a lot more visible than say, 20 years ago, we don't question it any more and consider it as a fact of life.

      This doesn't have to be this way, and we can at least question this fact of the consequences of this.

      Yes, this comes from a certain moral code I hold, but why does it have to be "archaic" ? :). We can evaluate its value without labeling it, don't we ?

      The fact that you don't suscribe to it shows that you hold a "certain moral code" yourself and neither of us is objective. My experience and observations made me believe that porn is quite destructive and I, too, would like to hear from you why you'd think it isn't.

      Sorry for my broken english...

    113. Re:In other news... by flubby! · · Score: 1

      It should read :

      This doesn't have to be this way, and we can at least question this fact OR the consequences of this.

    114. Re:In other news... by splatter · · Score: 1

      thanks I'm going to have to try all day to get that out of head now

      --
      "(I) have this unfortunate condition that causes me not to believe a single thing any politician says when a mic's on.
    115. Re:In other news... by odeland · · Score: 1

      Jeeze.. google "iphone porn" enjoy.

    116. Re:In other news... by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      The case in the article was a civil matter, rather than a criminal one. It is a good example of terms that can be binding, but it doesn't mean a company has the ability to establish law.

      Terms of service can be enforceable, I don't dispute that. However, not ALL terms of service are enforceable, as the Judges in that case made clear. What I object to is equating "violations of the terms of service" to "breaking a law". There is a difference between the two, despite what some folks might think (or wish).

      The term used was "illegal method" (I'm assuming using the firefox extension runs afoul of You-tube's TOS). That is an incorrect statement. An illegal method was NOT used, the TOS were (maybe) violated.

      --
      "Give a woman two glasses of wine and some pad thai, and they'll agree to just about anything." the Sports Guy
    117. Re:In other news... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      What I object to is equating "violations of the terms of service" to "breaking a law"....The term used was "illegal method" (I'm assuming using the firefox extension runs afoul of You-tube's TOS). That is an incorrect statement.

      Thanks to the DMCA, it is actually an entirely correct statement. Their delivery mechanism can be seen as "effectively" preventing copyright infringement (a civil matter), thus defeating it is violating the DMCA, a criminal matter.

      I object to it, too, but that's how it is.

      --
      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    118. Re:In other news... by Jeff+Jungblut · · Score: 1

      That's why people spend $3 in the app store for either Air Video or StreamToMe. Both apps have a server component for your Mac or PC that will transcode your gigs of downloaded porn to iPad-optimized video on the fly. Open a port on your firewall, and StreamToMe can stream your "entertainment" from your home Mac to your iPad or iPhone anywhere you are on the net.

    119. Re:In other news... by MMInterface · · Score: 1

      Yes that is part of my point. Your selection is going to be limited to something like you mentioned. If you are into a subset of really mainstream stuff that complies with their standards then you are in luck, and I'm not just talking about porn.

    120. Re:In other news... by MMInterface · · Score: 1

      Yea, I use it too. I haven't had good results streaming it over the net though, not compared to a direct streaming site or viewing content that is stored on the device. Also it doesn't work well if I skip to a different part of the video. In short it's not the greatest spontaneous viewing experience.

      Also it doesn't fix the problem with streaming sites. I would have to actually do a full download of the streaming sites content, then stream it to my iPad as opposed to just going to the site and watching it.

      I also don't think a good home server should be a requirement to view this content with an iPad. I might as well just bring a laptop instead. That really seems like it makes more sense for the time being.

    121. Re:In other news... by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      I wish I'd have known this when I got my Blackberry. The RIM server was not what I had hoped for...

  4. Like the sound of this by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Suddenly I really like Android.

    --
    I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
    1. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I prefer deep dicking some tight wet pussy over but I guess porn phone is ok for losers like you that sit home and jack off.

    2. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you happy to see me or is that an Android phone in your pocket?

    3. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow 'Droid "DOES"' doesn't quite have the same intrinsic meaning for me anymore...

      Does the droid marketplace have a "Personal vibrator" app out? I think that would just about cinch it.

    4. Re:Like the sound of this by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer deep dicking some tight wet pussy over but I guess porn phone is ok for losers like you that sit home and jack off.

      That is the point! If it is on your phone, you don't have to sit at home and jack off. You can jack off on the go!

    5. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and for the first time i received consumer advice from steve jobs i might actually follow!

    6. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. No tip calculators, flashlights, or fart machines, either.

    7. Re:Like the sound of this by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      1. Follow @ThatKevinSmith on Twitter (he's funny, but man does he Tweet a lot).
      2. Set up SMS notification from Twitter.
      3. Set phone on vibrate and place in pants.
      4. "Profit"

      5. Clean phone

    8. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    9. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I love how this got modded informative

    10. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 Informative? WTF?????

    11. Re:Like the sound of this by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      I love how this got modded informative

      Even though it's funny as hell, it's a good point. That's why it's modded informative.

      --
      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    12. Re:Like the sound of this by aekafan · · Score: 1

      I find this funny because Slashdot is mental masturbation, and here this guy is in an obvious lie about the physical type

    13. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what is funnier, the original comment, or the moderator(s) who've given it "+5 informative"

    14. Re:Like the sound of this by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      I prefer deep dicking some tight wet pussy over but I guess porn phone is ok for losers like you that sit home and jack off.

      That is the point! If it is on your phone, you don't have to sit at home and jack off. You can jack off on the go!

      And I thought the kids trying out all their new ringtones on the subway was bad enough...

      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    15. Re:Like the sound of this by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, THANK YOU!!! I never thought about it that way before, you have changed my life!

    16. Re:Like the sound of this by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It may be, but I am just as surprised I got modded informative. :)

    17. Re:Like the sound of this by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I guess some mods didn't realize the benefit. :)

    18. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer deep dicking some tight wet pussy over but I guess porn phone is ok for losers like you that sit home and jack off.

      The thing you Jobs supporters don't understand is that you can have both. You don't have to choose between them. In fact, with the right partner, you might be able to do both at the same time.

      Sorry you're missing out, bro.

    19. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you talk with your tongue shoved up Steve Jobs' asshole?

    20. Re:Like the sound of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a new kind of phone jack...

    21. Re:Like the sound of this by randyleepublic · · Score: 0

      He went AC so Mom wouldn't catch him talking dirty on the internet.

      --
      Social Credit would solve everything...
  5. Stupid argument by assantisz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And iPhone users (including children) don't have access to porn? Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn. Instead of going to the app store all they have to open up Safari and google for the goodies.

    1. Re:Stupid argument by DrXym · · Score: 1
      And iPhone users (including children) don't have access to porn? Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn. Instead of going to the app store all they have to open up Safari and google for the goodies.

      Exactly, so unless the iPhone suddenly implements web content filtering (including streaming vids), I find Steve's statement absurd.

    2. Re:Stupid argument by 0racle · · Score: 0

      You find it absurd because you're not thinking. He isn't saying you can't find porn on the open internet using the iPhone, he's saying you can't buy it from Apple through iTMS. iTMS has no way of verifying that the user is of legal age (no, having a credit card on the account is not proof) so they don't sell it. Just like if a convenience store can't be bothered to check the age of it's customers they shouldn't sell porn and cigarettes. That's just asking for trouble. Apple is just covering their ass by complying with the law.

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    3. Re:Stupid argument by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Exactly, so unless the iPhone suddenly implements web content filtering (including streaming vids), I find Steve's statement absurd.

      Only this one? Read much?

    4. Re:Stupid argument by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Who the hell buys porn? And even if you did, what's to stop you subscribing through one of the many web based porn sites and have it streamed direct to your iPhone in glorious h264?

      As for the app store, Apple are allegedly the master of usability. So its amazing how many excuses its apologists come up with to explain away their restrictions and shortcomings.

      It's funny how the app store already implements age ratings but you claim it's impossible for them to add verification. Even when other sites and other services like cable TV manage it. A very simple verification step would be for Apple to charge some small denomination onto a credit card, and for the card holder to look up the account and type the timestamp and amount back into the the store. Once done any adult / gambling section could be unlocked. Easy.

      But clearly that's too difficult for Apple isn't it?

    5. Re:Stupid argument by fermion · · Score: 1

      Ok, so to clarify, iPhone is for people who don't want to pay for it or do not want the evidence prominently displayed on their phone, while Android is for those proud users that want everyone to know they enjoy 'traffic with thyself'.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    6. Re:Stupid argument by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is.... they are doing something for one reason, and then turning around and telling lies about why they are doing it in an attempt to cast aspersions on a competitor. So essentially, they are being assholes.

      Sounds about right to me. The way I read that entire article was "Steve Jobs Recommends Android over IPhone."

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    7. Re:Stupid argument by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      And iPhone users (including children) don't have access to porn? Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn. Instead of going to the app store all they have to open up Safari and google for the goodies.

      But Safari can be disabled through a parental control. Any other app that can access the internet, usenet, or any other potential source of adult content is rated as 17+ or something like that, and of course access to those apps can be disabled through parental control. Even travel guides are rated if they discuss to the seedier side of towns.

      Like it or not, Apple are making a very serious attempt to plug all the holes, and as far as I can tell they haven't overlooked anything.

    8. Re:Stupid argument by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Apple Web for iPhone?

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    9. Re:Stupid argument by 0racle · · Score: 0

      Who the hell buys porn?

      I see you're just here to bitch as purchasing adult content through iTMS is exactly what this is all about.

      But clearly that's too difficult for Apple isn't it?

      Time and money is all it requires, apparently neither of which Apple is willing to spend on this problem. And why should they? As you pointed out there are better alternatives anyway. All adding this would do is increase the amount of money Apple claims from developers to cover the cost of the time and money spent on it.

      Does any official app store for any smart phone sell pornographic material? I know Google doesn't. To paraphrase you, ' Google's android is supposedly the master of openness, its amazing how Apple haters forget that the product they hold as the gold standard does exactly the same thing they are trying to hang Apple for.'

      Apple isn't willing to put real age verification in to iTMS, so they don't sell anything that would legally require it. I would personally rather they don't spend the money on it as it's just not needed. They aren't filtering the devices, so I don't see how users really have much to complain about and most likely the loudest complainers are those who never would buy an iPhone in the first place.

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    10. Re:Stupid argument by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Time and money is all it requires, apparently neither of which Apple is willing to spend on this problem. And why should they? As you pointed out there are better alternatives anyway. All adding this would do is increase the amount of money Apple claims from developers to cover the cost of the time and money spent on it.

      Time and money easily recouped by selling adult apps. Where adult is anything from porn, gambling or merely any uncensored / unrated application that a grown person should freely be able to choose to view for themselves.

      Does any official app store for any smart phone sell pornographic material? I know Google doesn't. To paraphrase you, ' Google's android is supposedly the master of openness, its amazing how Apple haters forget that the product they hold as the gold standard does exactly the same thing they are trying to hang Apple for.'

      By "paraphrase", you mean "invent shit". I haven't mentioned android once in this particular thread. Although since you mention it Android allows users to install unsigned apps, including competing app stores if they wish.

      As for app stores that sell porn, I think you'll find even the Apple store sells porn - Playboy for example as well as content completely unsuitable for minors, e.g. sex jokes plus numerous other dodgy sex & gambling apps. All of which piss over Steve Job's argument that the iPhone doesn't do porn. Apparently it's okay to put porn on the Apple app store except when it isn't, as judged by some arbitrary and ever shifting criteria.

      And yes other official app stores do too. For example, my phone is on the O2 network - FRONT PAGE of their store links to "Babes 18+" and from that the "Art of Sex". I expect other networks do likewise and depending on country I expect some show actual hardcore porn too if you pay for it.

      Apple isn't willing to put real age verification in to iTMS, so they don't sell anything that would legally require it. I would personally rather they don't spend the money on it as it's just not needed. They aren't filtering the devices, so I don't see how users really have much to complain about and most likely the loudest complainers are those who never would buy an iPhone in the first place.

      You got your argument back to front, and it certainly doesn't make sense that way around either. As for users, yes they have a lot to complain about - one company is inventing arbitrary and often completely unreasonable restrictions on what they may do with their own property including what apps they can run. They should be as mad as hell, and given the enormous popularity of jail break software clearly some of them are.

    11. Re:Stupid argument by hitmark · · Score: 1

      that basically sums up steve jobs. He is basically a highly charismatic asshole. Two years ago he made the claim that nobody reads any more, so who needs ebooks. Now the ipad and iphone have the ibook app...

      there is also a story, that i cant seem to dig up right now (google-fo fail), where steve jobs basically stopped taking calls from a long time retail partner in new york. One day they are the best of buddies, the next apple stops shipping products his way, and opens their own store down the road.

      --
      comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
    12. Re:Stupid argument by leptons · · Score: 1

      And this is why Jobs has expressed interest in creating an Apple search engine to replace google on his purity-Phone. If you don't want your kid to see porn, don't give them an iPhone in the first place, or any phone with an internet connection. Yet again, Jobs is telling adults what they can and can't do with the hardware they buy.

    13. Re:Stupid argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you can block Safari on the iPhone, can you block app store based on rating?

    14. Re:Stupid argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No-one's made a joke about 'Apple' and 'plugging holes' yet? Seriously? No-one?

    15. Re:Stupid argument by doogledog · · Score: 1

      plug all the holes

      Fnarr fnarr!

  6. Is it my imagination? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?

    1. Re:Is it my imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you can somehow imagine Steve Jobs being more douchey than he usually does? You probably laugh off the Elder Gods while everyone else goes insane from the revelations, too, don't you?

    2. Re:Is it my imagination? by Spatial · · Score: 5, Funny

      A momentary fluctuation in the reality distortion field.

    3. Re:Is it my imagination? by Surt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's your imagination. Specifically, you were imagining that he was not at least this douchey all along.

      --
      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
    4. Re:Is it my imagination? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?

      No, it's not just your imagination.

    5. Re:Is it my imagination? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?

      Naaa... He has just been quiet, so you got used to the un-doucheyness of everyone else. Like a loud guy who walks into a quiet room. He is no more loud than normal, but it startles you anyway.

    6. Re:Is it my imagination? by poena.dare · · Score: 1

      Liver rejection. Not that he's rejecting the liver, but the liver has decided its damn well had enough.

    7. Re:Is it my imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A disturbance in the force. As if a million sexually frustrated nerds cried out and where silenced.

    8. Re:Is it my imagination? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      He's scared.

      Apple can not possibly keep up with the pace of hardware innovation from the multitude of Android phone vendors. It is impossible. So that leaves them impetus and the polish of their software, both of which are currently to the iPhone's advantage. Both of which, however, can change very quickly and he sees the writing on the wall.

    9. Re:Is it my imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the polish of their software

      actually, iTunes Store does not support their Polish customers! ;-)

    10. Re:Is it my imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?

      His new liver came from a born again Christian.

    11. Re:Is it my imagination? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      *Sticks probe through skull*

      It's afraid. It's afraid.

    12. Re:Is it my imagination? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      We've got a problem in sector 6B of the RDF. Two failures in close succession. A team has been dispatched.

    13. Re:Is it my imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are just paying attention better than usual because he said "porn".

    14. Re:Is it my imagination? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's probably it.

  7. Steve Jobs' arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well he's got that going for him.

  8. He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    He is really being a dick there. There's a "porn store" for the iPhone as well, called "Mobile Safari". If anything, the prices are lower.

    However, if he is going to be an asshole he should have gone just a little further... Something to the effect of "And the inferior multitouch support won't bother you nearly as much if you are always using your phone one-handed..."

  9. Any other recommendations, Steve? by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve, buddy! Thanks for the recommendations, I'm a huge fan of pr0n. Could you also recommend pr0n-friendly restaurants, hotels, bakeries etc?

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    (-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
    1. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by PostPhil · · Score: 1

      Bakeries?? ...Really? So... it's the one place where you SHOULDN'T be offended if you find a pube in your sandwich?

    2. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Informative

      Could you also recommend pr0n-friendly restaurants, hotels, bakeries etc?

      Bakeries you say?

      (Jobs is right! I found this using Google.)

      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
    3. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may even have a bun in the oven.

    4. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Funny

      Last time I tried to buy an erotic cake, Jean Luc Picard tried to sell me a cake of a woman going to the bathroom. So, no.

      --
      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    5. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just about every hotel has pr0n on demand.
        as for bakeries, try www.eroticbakery.net
      not sure about restaurants.

    6. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but Google can.

    7. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Depends. How deep are you into turtleneck sweaters?

    8. Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      Oh I'm sure there's an App for ... um, never mind.

      --
      Creationist Textbook Stickers Declared Unconstitutional by CowboyNeal
  10. The internet is for porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like Apple will have to disable all internet connectivity in their products in order to fulfill their moral responsibility.

    1. Re:The internet is for porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm not supposed to be posting this, but, that's actually one of the main features of IPhone OS 5.0.
      Each web page will have a special xml configuration file available that the OS will download, allowing the user to be redirected to a corresponding Apple-approved app at the App Store. The user may then download the app to get the corresponding functionality of the website, but with a much better user experience, since the app is running locally, and has been blessed by Apple.

  11. Sure Steve by jDeepbeep · · Score: 3, Informative

    As if applications are the only porn vector. Let's get rid of Safari too while we're at it.

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    1. Re:Sure Steve by Altus · · Score: 0

      At least with safari apple isnt actually selling the porn and arent actually taking a cut of it. If you look at something that is extremely offensive (or even illegal in your country, check the laws in the UK) on safari on your iPhone, apple isnt getting a cut of that. If its on their app store people could get very pissed about it.

      --

      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    2. Re:Sure Steve by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Let's get rid of Safari too while we're at it.

      I'm sure the thought of an Apple provided internet a la AOL of old has crossed their minds. Wouldn't be awesome if all the pages you were given access to had to be reviewed and approved by Apple!

      Sound ridiculous, but I see it as a very real possibility in a few years.

      --
      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    3. Re:Sure Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      neither is google getting a cut of the "porn apps" that Jobs mentions, so?

    4. Re:Sure Steve by jayme0227 · · Score: 1

      Although they aren't benefiting from porn on the iPhone directly, I'd be curious to see whether or not there is an indirect bump. That is, if they cut out the ability to view most porn sites through Safari Mobile, would the iPhone still be as popular?

      --
      But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
    5. Re:Sure Steve by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the thought of an Apple provided internet a la AOL of old has crossed their minds. Wouldn't be awesome if all the pages you were given access to had to be reviewed and approved by Apple!

      Sound ridiculous, but I see it as a very real possibility in a few years.

      This is absolutely absurd. Apple has zero interest in blocking what you can view in Safari (or Firefox or whatever you browse with). This is solely about the apps in the App Store. Nothing more.

      Apple doesn't want you to stop watching porn, they just don't want to distribute it. Apple restricts apps more than they should, but their goal has nothing to do with controlling the user, but in controlling the quality of the iPhone experience itself.

    6. Re:Sure Steve by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      is is absolutely absurd. Apple has zero interest in blocking what you can view in Safari (or Firefox or whatever you browse with). This is solely about the apps in the App Store. Nothing more.

      You're looking at it wrong. You see, WHY is this about the App Store? Because Apple has enough leverage here that they can be the only source of applications here, which means that they can skim a bit of profit off of every app sold that works on the iPhone.

      They don't have that leverage in the general web yet, but you can bet they'd like to, and they've already proven what they're willing to do with that leverage. If for example, there were sufficient iPhone users out there, it wouldn't be too much of a strech for Apple to move their platform to an opt-in method. You go to sites on a segregated Apple internet, and the sites there pay Apple for their presence there. Facebook coughs up a bit of money each month or they can't be accessed by iPhone users. Essentially, the same type of lock-in as with the app store.

      The reason there is simple: profit motive. They don't currently have the ability to do this from a PR standpoint at the moment, but their past behavior has removed any doubts from my mind that they would if they could.

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    7. Re:Sure Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, honestly safari sucks for porn. You can either download images or videos. I haven't done either for years. I stream my porn via flash.

      So, that's probably yet another reason not to allow flash on the Iphone. Sure, you could use youtube or whatever, but you could also go to redtube. PLS THINK OF TEH CHILDRENS.

    8. Re:Sure Steve by node+3 · · Score: 1

      You're looking at it wrong. You see, WHY is this about the App Store? Because Apple has enough leverage here that they can be the only source of applications here, which means that they can skim a bit of profit off of every app sold that works on the iPhone.

      The App Store isn't about profit directly from the App Store, it's about quality control of the iPhone platform.

      They don't have that leverage in the general web yet, but you can bet they'd like to

      They've shown no such thing. On the contrary, they have the most open standards-supporting web browser on the planet.

      If for example, there were sufficient iPhone users out there, it wouldn't be too much of a strech for Apple to move their platform to an opt-in method. You go to sites on a segregated Apple internet, and the sites there pay Apple for their presence there. Facebook coughs up a bit of money each month or they can't be accessed by iPhone users. Essentially, the same type of lock-in as with the app store.

      Nonsense. They will never do this.

      Let me explain something to you. Apple's schtick is to provide the best quality user experience out there. They can't do that if they control the web. The web requires them to be more open, not less. This is why Safari and WebKit are as open as they are.

      The same is true for Mac OS X.

      The iPhone, on the other hand, is a more limited device. It still has the fully open Safari browser, which gives them a significant advantage over all other phones. For apps to also be superior, they have to weed out the chaff. This prevents the market from being flooded by crap apps. You think things are bad now, they would be so much worse with a fully open market. The lock-down of the App Store keeps the iPhone a superior platform in terms of user experience.

      The reason there is simple: profit motive.

      Partially, yes. Apple wants to make the best products they can and provide the most value and the best user experience. This leads to profit (and is the key to their current success). But with things like the App Store, they don't go for profit directly. They go for quality, trusting (and rightfully so) that profit will follow.

    9. Re:Sure Steve by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      Apple already had an AOL-like online service. It was called AppleLink Personal Edition. It was run by Quantum Computer Services, who later fell out with Apple and renamed themselves... America Online.

      Apple also had an older online service called AppleLink (different in all but name) and later EWorld. None of the three services were particularly successful.

      Although the nature of "online services" has significantly changed since the hey-day of AOL, given this history I'm not sure Apple is all that interested in starting a fourth time.

    10. Re:Sure Steve by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      The App Store isn't about profit directly from the App Store, it's about quality control of the iPhone platform.

      \

      If you believe that then you've just too gullable to see reason. It's basically the equivalent of a battered wife claiming "he only does it because he loves me".

      This is why Safari and WebKit are as open as they are.

      Safari isn't open at all - it's RENDERING engine, WebKit, is. The reason behind that is because it's based on KHTML - the GPL'd rendering engine developed for KDE. Apple is contractually required to contribute source back.

      Apple is about control. They have consistently rebuked anything resembling openness. Want to run their OS? You run it on their hardware or not at all. Want to use one of their media players? You sync it with iTunes or not at all. Want to run a program on their phones? You obtain that program from them or not at all.

      The only consistent thing about them is that in ANY corner of the market where they can get away with it they lock their customers down to do things exactly the way they want them. I refuse to help give them any more control in other aspects of the market where they are likely to do the exact same thing.

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    11. Re:Sure Steve by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Safari isn't open at all - it's RENDERING engine, WebKit, is. The reason behind that is because it's based on KHTML - the GPL'd rendering engine developed for KDE. Apple is contractually required to contribute source back.

      I didn't say Safari was open source, I said it was open. Safari is the most open browser on the market in that it supports open standards better than any other browser.

      The only consistent thing about them is that in ANY corner of the market where they can get away with it they lock their customers down to do things exactly the way they want them. I refuse to help give them any more control in other aspects of the market where they are likely to do the exact same thing.

      Bullshit. Apple supports popular open standards every chance they get. Every single document of any type that I have in any Apple product is easily exported to a common format, with the exception of DRM'd content from the iTunes Store (which is not required for documents). This is in stark contrast to companies like Microsoft, where data is often locked into proprietary formats. Apple also doesn't go around inventing formats just to control them like MS does.

      The only things they control are:

      1. The App Store.
      2. The computers Mac OS X can run on.

      Everything else is very open. Openness only exceeded by Open Source OS's like Linux and BSD.

    12. Re:Sure Steve by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Do you really think the recent anti-Adobe efforts were just to "ensure the quality of the iPhone experience", and had nothing to do with making it harder for developers to develop cross-platform apps? How do you explain the ban on interpreters? How exactly would a C64-emulator reduce the quality of the iPhone experience itself? How would the iPhone experience be harmed if I could check a well-concealed box in order to install non-apple-approved apps?

      You're delusional. It's about control, all right, but not about control of quality.

      My guess is that they'll go after webapps next - hard to get rid of the ones already runnable without causing an uproar, but they will do all they can to block more advanced sites based on upcoming html5 or similar. And they will ban Opera mini again.

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    13. Re:Sure Steve by pydev · · Score: 1

      Apple's vision for the Internet is that more and more mobile content flows through their app store, preferably exclusively. There are already some web sites that are inconvenient to access on any mobile device other than an iPhone/iPod, and it's going to get worse for a while.

      Apple ships Safari because they have to. But if they could, they'd lock you tightly into their own ecosystem, tightly controlled, and far from any porn, any competition, and any controversial thought or speech.

    14. Re:Sure Steve by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't want you to stop watching porn, they just don't want to distribute it. Apple restricts apps more than they should, but their goal has nothing to do with controlling the user, but in controlling the quality of the iPhone experience itself.

      the argument is retarded at best. its like saying, "we don't want your new car to smell but we don't want you using the other guy's air-feshener, because, though it won't hurt the car, we don't like the smell. also, you can only buy car accessories from us, and we no longer sell air-fresheners. never mind that magic glove-box that we made and installed (factory default) with which you can buy any scent air-fresheners you'd like, as well as nearly anything else." they could open it up to other distributors, but it has everything to do with controlling the user. if it didn't, anyone could write apps and put them on their property without any barriers. why can't they have their official store, then let third parties do what they want? a pop-up saying "this is an unlicensed iPhone experience"?

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    15. Re:Sure Steve by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Too lazy to write quote tags today.....

      "Apple is about control."

      This is the traditional model. So is Microsoft and and just about every other software/hardware manufacturer out there. Its hard enough to get manufacturers to release their half-baked linux kernel sources, which they are obviously required to do so.

      "They have consistently rebuked anything resembling openness. Want to run their OS? You run it on their hardware or not at all."

      You *can* build a hackintosh. I mean if you wanted a cheap mac that badly. In case you forgot, Apple is a hardware company. It only increases their bottom line when you buy their hardware. They want every incentive to force you into their hardware if possible. Remember that the original ipod didn't even work with windows. If they had it their way, their whole box would have 3 ports. A AC plug, a monitor jack, and a usb port. Its just simpler that way, right? I mean, hell, even mice only need one button! No need to confuse people with two, or god forbid a scroll do-hicky.

      "Want to use one of their media players? You sync it with iTunes or not at all."

      Don't want to be "forced" to use iTunes? Don't buy a freaking ipod! Its not like they are the only mp3 player in the world. They do have damned near the best interface though. Everything else seems to be a miserable failure of shitty chinese design (seriously, who the fuck designs the garbage software they put on mp3 players?)or a cheap carbon copy. Eventually android or some linux based OS will take as MP3 players become small portable computers (ala ipod touch, dell mini 5, ipad, etc) over outside of apple. Or Windows Mobile will continue to be a popular choice.......where is blackberry moving to these days? Linux? I see more of the crackberry than all other smartphones combined. I love my G1. It becomes a roving 3G wi-fi hotspot, a debian shell, a remote terminal/ssh/rdp/etc, a media player, a half decent web browser (at least with the android 2.1 browser thrown in), a gps unit, a compass, a metal detector, a level, a social network browser, a video player, and I could just go on and on. I want a nexus one, but the lack of a keyboard is a real deal breaker for me, and the droid has a terrible keyboard. The G1 reminds me more of industrial grade hardware (sure its just mostly plastic) whereas the droid seems more aimed at the iphone camp. If they made a slightly larger G1 with a larger screen and a 1ghz Cortex A8 and a half gig of ram, I think I'd go suck some cock if that's what it took to get one in my hands. Cock. I've never had a better phone than say the cheapest of motorola and qualcomm. Fuck wearable computers. Having something that can actually run some interesting applications and be constantly connected to the internet in the palm of your fucking hand is amazing. After like 20 years of waiting, I finally have something that feels like a handheld computer and not some phone that can run a couple of poorly coded applications that come with the phone. Being able to install applications from an internet source is a total game changer, and you probably have Apple to thank for paving the way, even though they were developing android for a longer period of time IIRC.

      Sorry for the long rant, but I just kinda got lost in thought there and I tend to type awfully fast after days like today.

      Back you your post.......

      "Want to run a program on their phones? You obtain that program from them or not at all."

      Don't buy the phone if you don't like it. There really isn't any penalty on a G1 or a MyTouch or a Nexus One that would keep you from rooting it and being able to do whatever you want. You do lose the myfaves on tmobile, but I think you can just set them up over the web.

      I mean with my g1 I can run VOIP in the background and basically have 2 numbers at once. When I dial out over VOIP it shows my local cell number on caller id as well. Not shabby.

    16. Re:Sure Steve by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Explain the Playboy app then. But this isn't about porn per se. Apple just want to cover up a weakness of their single market platform by invoking the 'ZOMG kiddies looking at porn' boogeyman on the alternative.

    17. Re:Sure Steve by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the thought of an Apple provided internet a la AOL of old has crossed their minds. Wouldn't be awesome if all the pages you were given access to had to be reviewed and approved by Apple!

      Sound ridiculous, but I see it as a very real possibility in a few years.

      This is absolutely absurd. Apple has zero interest in blocking what you can view in Safari (or Firefox or whatever you browse with). This is solely about the apps in the App Store. Nothing more.

      Apple doesn't want you to stop watching porn, they just don't want to distribute it. Apple restricts apps more than they should, but their goal has nothing to do with controlling the user, but in controlling the quality of the iPhone experience itself.

      lol!!
      you sound serious!

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  12. I don't need by Beelzebud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't need Apple to act as a morality police for what I do with something I own.

    1. Re:I don't need by SoupGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly.

      I'll get an iPhone if I want Jobs dictating what I get according to his tastes. Since I don't, I got a Droid and I can get (or not get) what I want.

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    2. Re:I don't need by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly... I love the "Think of the children" line that he uses. As if children should even be using smart phones if there exists content that they shouldn't see. Well played straw-man argument Jobs... Well played...

      But I guess Apple want's to parent your kids for you too. New from Apple, the iDad! Never again will you need to know anything about your child's life, simply let the iDad do it for you!

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    3. Re:I don't need by Altus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Then buy an Android phone. Thats exactly what jobs just told you you should do.

      I know, why dont we sue apple and force them to sell porn, then we can do the same thing to Wallmart and the hallmark store and Toy R Us.

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    4. Re:I don't need by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they just rejected a reportedly extremely nice iPad application that taught kids how to program, called "Scratch", based on Alan Kay's ideas from ages ago. It looks like a fantastic idea, but aparently violates their terms and condition, as the kids can 'create programs'. They're not really thinking of the children.

    5. Re:I don't need by mweather · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realise that Walmart's censorship practices influence the content of music,movies, and video games right? You just gave an extremely good example of why companies who control a huge chunk of a given market acting as moral police is a bad thing.

    6. Re:I don't need by Altus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And guess what, there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. Doesn't that just chap your ass? (or would that be too porny?)

      People getting all up in arms about Apple or Walmart not selling things they don't want to sell are just as full of shit as people getting pissed off at hustler selling porn that (some) people want to buy.

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    7. Re:I don't need by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Even if that were the case - why not just use their rating system?

      No, the reality is that Apple wants to make sure that the Appolytes remain cool. Hell half of using an Apple is in letting other people SEE you use it (hence why you see so many Macbook's sitting in coffee shops). The company has an obligation to make sure that the system, platform, and users are all sufficiently "cool" so that they can draw in more followers. To do that you can't just let users do whatever the hell they want with the system. What if they do something lame? Everyone will see!?!?!

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    8. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need Apple to act as a morality police for what I do with something I own.

      I'm not sure, but I suspect that people don't own their i Phones, but just a license to use them. Mr. Jobs, in his ambition to domineer the electronics industry, is just playing to the large and wealthy Religious Right wing of his company to market his products.

    9. Re:I don't need by fm6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Especially when the chief censor is this guy:

      http://www.9to5mac.com/steve-jobs-hacks-phones-234556455

      But really, this isn't about censorship. This is about branding. Because Apple doesn't sell technology any more, they sell an image. And that image doesn't have room for stroke facilitation software.

    10. Re:I don't need by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then buy an Android phone. Thats exactly what jobs just told you you should do.

      That's what I did. This doesn't mean that I shouldn't call Steve a dick when he's acting like one.

    11. Re:I don't need by Pharmboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who needs a phone that actually does something when you have one that makes you look cool?

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    12. Re:I don't need by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nobody gives a damn really that Apple doesn't sell porn. Google doesn't sell porn themselves either. What they care about is that Apple a) doesn't sell porn and b) has made it so that they are the ONLY source of apps on the platform. Essentially resulting in the situation that there simply is no legitimate way to get adult-themed applications on the phone - even if you want them. Web based, sure. Videos you transfer, sure. But apps? Nope. You're SOL.

      Nobody cares that Wal-mart does sell porn because the smut shop down the street is a perfectly fine alternate source. HOWEVER, if Wal-mart was legislated to be the absolute only source where one could legally buy physical goods, then people would have a much more valid concern if they refused to sell porn (or chocolate, or ammo, or purple footballs, or any other good which people want but are being purposefully prevented from accessing on the simple whim of a company).

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    13. Re:I don't need by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      They also censor artists who criticize Walmart.

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    14. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm your thumperific, holier-than-thou life is just wonderful with the pink, fluffy clouds and unicorns. And all your Flankers-like children are so safe from the ills of the big, bad world. Sigh.

    15. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you have no idea who you are talking too. I have no problem at all with porn, I like porn sometimes my girlfriend and I watch porn together sometimes we make porn together. Sometimes we engage in carnal group sex with other sexy people.

      But I'm still not going to claim that its my right to tell a company that it has to sell something it doesn't want to sell. If you don't like their choice, go somewhere else.

    16. Re:I don't need by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      You do realise that Walmart's censorship practices influence the content of music,movies, and video games right?

      It does... But it's really just a symptom of a much larger problem here in the US.

      Here in the US we've got absolutely no problem showing people getting killed in all sorts of bloody ways... But when I watch a movie on SyFy they'll bleep out the most innocuous of profanities and blur out marijuana use.

      WalMart won't sell you porn... But they'll sell you plenty of movies where people get dismembered left and right.

      We rate violent movies and video games as being OK for various young folks... But at the first sign of reproductive organs it gets an M/R/NC17/AO rating.

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    17. Re:I don't need by feranick · · Score: 2

      IPhone owners gave away that right long ago. You never really own an iPhone, or a Mac. Apple knows what is best for you, because it thinks a user is unable to make adult decisions.

    18. Re:I don't need by Altus · · Score: 1

      And when you are required by law to own an iPhone you can get all high and mighty about it then.

      If you don't like it, don't buy one. Don't shop at Walmart either.

      I don't own an iPhone and I don't shop at Walmart, but I'm not going to tell them that they have to sell something they don't want to sell.

      I can't believe nobody has made a "Toys R Us" joke yet. I even set you guys up!

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    19. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it funny when people compare Apple Store to Walmart. First off, they are different. Apple is more like "country" than a store. ie, If walmart decides to "censor" songs and videos (as they do), then I can buy those some videos/songs uncensored at another store. These are not "re-produced" versions of songs, they are the exact same songs a videos, less the censorship. If Apple decides to censor content, then you don't have another option. If they allowed 3rd party apps from another App store, then they'd be just like walmart... until then... they are more like country, and they govern what goes into their store. (I'm saying it's right or wrong... just that it's nothing liike walmart)

    20. Re:I don't need by Altus · · Score: 0

      Steve jobs just told you what your option is.

      You can buy an Android phone. Apple is not a monopoly and the iPhone isn't the only phone. Suck it up and vote with your feet.

      Seriously, Slashdot is all about the freedom to do what you want and the invisible hand of the market and other libertarian crap, right until it applies to Apple.

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    21. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wal-Mart needs to be slightly careful, though, as a monopsonist retailer.

    22. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are the ones who are selling the product (apps) and taking a cut. Apple doesn't want to be in the business of selling porn. They also don't want to let others sell apps. So the logical solution is the one suggested by Lord Turtleneck: go somewhere else.

    23. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and what makes you think you own any Apple product ? just because you paid for it doesn't mean Steve says you own it .

    24. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being Apple I'm surprised they oppose to gay porn as well.

    25. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see your analogy a bit off the actual case. In real life, you don't have ONLY Wallmart to sell you stuff. If you don't find things you want or need, you go other places (drugstores, brand stores). This is not the case of the iPhone where you have the Apple Store, and if you don't find it there, "we are sorry".

      I don't think it's the right or wrong path, but it's highly limiting. I don't say that it's not completely improper to ban certain applications that children shouldn't get, but I'd say that parents shouldn't be banned too.

      Since they claim how "intuitive" their stuff is, I believe sex is more intuitive than gunshots and other violent games kids can find at the Apple store. But I guess Jobs is only trying to get people off his back.

    26. Re:I don't need by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      The only person here who seems up in arms about anything is you. All I said was I don't need Apple to be my morality police. I'm sorry I insulted your favorite multinational corporation.

    27. Re:I don't need by Tarmas · · Score: 1

      "Think Children" is the new "Think Different".

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    28. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly... I love the "Think of the children" line that he uses. As if children should even be using smart phones if there exists content that they shouldn't see. Well played straw-man argument Jobs... Well played...

      But I guess Apple want's to parent your kids for you too. New from Apple, the iDad! Never again will you need to know anything about your child's life, simply let the iDad do it for you!

      The iDad,that's perfect for all the single mother's in the adult entertainment industry. . .

    29. Re:I don't need by node+3 · · Score: 1

      They didn't reject that app because they don't want kids to program, they rejected it because they don't want code interpreters.

    30. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post worded as intended. I'm an anal-retentive elitist douche. Yes, I know I can't post and mod.

      Fixed that for you!

    31. Re:I don't need by Srsen · · Score: 1

      Just because you want to buy it doesn't mean Apple is obligated to sell it.

    32. Re:I don't need by Altus · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sorry I defended your favorite whipping boy.

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    33. Re:I don't need by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      You dont own the app store, to which his statement applies. You can do whatever you want with the hardware in your hand, but you cant force apple to carry porn apps. Its the same exact thing as you expecting Xbox Live Marketplace to carry porn games. IM not an apple fanboy, but I am a fan of logic.

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    34. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what universe is syncing your porn video collection via iTunes not 'legitimate'? As far as I know (and I'm a recovering iPhone user and current mac user), iTunes has a little button that moves a subset of your videos to the iPhone for you and porn can be part of that subset.

    35. Re:I don't need by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Is not iPad specific, for me is one of the best applications included with the XO, right in the place that it should be.

    36. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't neet Apple, period.

    37. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the rules are absolute. At least until you've won a prestigious award like the Pulitzer, in which case your app will be approved.

      But for everyone else, rules are rules. We wouldn't want a childrens' toy language being used to completely replace the iTunes App Store, would we?

    38. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do. Thank God for Steve Jobs.

      I, for one, welcome my new Pr0n Police Overlord.

    39. Re:I don't need by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      In what universe is syncing your porn video collection via iTunes not 'legitimate'?

      *sigh* Don't worry. I'm sure 8th grade English will help that reading comprehension problem. From my post:

      there simply is no legitimate way to get adult-themed applications on the phone - even if you want them. Web based, sure. Videos you transfer, sure. But apps? Nope. You're SOL.

      The post wasn't about syncing your videos from iTunes. It was about APPLICATIONS.

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    40. Re:I don't need by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      And guess what, there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.

      I cannot. That's why the government had anti-trust laws.

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    41. Re:I don't need by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      And guess what, there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.

      O RLY?

    42. Re:I don't need by DeathMagnetic · · Score: 1

      Your analogy makes no sense. It's ok for Wal-Mart not to sell porn because there are alternate sources out there, but it's not ok for Apple... why exactly? It's the exact same situation. To use your own analogy, if the iPhone was legislated to be the absolute only smart phone, then people would have a much more valid concern if they refused to sell porn. That's not true though; you're free to use a different phone if you don't like it. Steve Jobs is even suggesting an alternative for you!

    43. Re:I don't need by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      In your analogy, the iPhone would be like a new town that was built and it was common knowledge that the only place to shop in the new town was Wal-mart. Then people willfully moved there despite knowing this, and complained that there was no competition.

    44. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the point is that Wal-mart has put a lot of businesses in small-town America out of business, rendering them effectively the only retail shop in town. So if Wal-mart says that something is too racy there is not place to buy that item in town.

      This sort of falls apart when you factor in the internet though...

    45. Re:I don't need by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Phones are different because they segregate into pockets of users. There is only 1 real world, and so all stores that operate there are on equal terms as to what physical goods people can use in it.

      To revise the analogy, lets segregate the real world.

      Wal-mart is now making homes. Target and Sears make them too. Wal-mart's houses are plain bad-ass at a glance though. People want them. However, Wal-mart writes into their contracts that if you buy one of their homes, only merchandise purchased from their stores may enter your home. Then they refuse to sell the latest Twilight movie because their chief exec hates it (can't blame him there). Which would weight in on people more: the fact that Wal-mart refused to sell a movie? Or the fact that Wal-mart has pigeon holed a whole group of customers into only being able to source their goods from them and then started to use that to push their ideology on people?

      To any sane person, if Wal-mart tried this "You can only shop with us if you by a house from us." a simple "Well, they're free to do what they like with the houses they sell. Don't buy them.". No, this would be a case where intervention is needed. There are some things that a manufacturer should not be able to control once a product is sold. Sell whatever the fuck you want, but once I buy it we're done. I should be able to buy my apps or buy my produce whatever I want.

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    46. Re:I don't need by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      In your analogy though Wal-mart would typically be there because there was no competition willing to service the market. There's a difference between no competition because of no one stepping forward and an enforced monopoly. Either way, people could always drive to the next town to buy their Playboys if they saw fit. There IS a way, even if it is a hassle, to get the merchandise you're looking for. With the iPhone app store, there isn't (at least without jailbreaking, which Apple has claimed is outright illegal).

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    47. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your analogy makes no sense. It's ok for Wal-Mart not to sell porn because there are alternate sources out there, but it's not ok for Apple... why exactly?

      Because there are no alternate sources out there. There is only one app store.

    48. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't this absolutely clear? he is not talking to his main group of fanboys.

      just imagine!

      if you don't want your boy to watch porn on the phone .. don't buy him an android, even if he wants you to!

    49. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of makes me wonder what are they going to ban next, "In the name of morality".

    50. Re:I don't need by bnenning · · Score: 1

      You never really own an iPhone, or a Mac.

      iPhone yes, Mac no. You've always been able to use whatever software and hardware you wanted with a Mac. Although it's disturbingly likely that Steve considers that a design flaw to be corrected.

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    51. Re:I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 PRINT "I'm going to take over the world!"
      20 GOTO 10

    52. Re:I don't need by Idbar · · Score: 1

      In fact I was thinking more like:
      10 PRINT "pr0n"
      20 GOTO 10

      I guess they may program pr0n and therefore should be banned!

    53. Re:I don't need by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1

      Is this thing you own your iPhone, or something.....else?

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    54. Re:I don't need by heson · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip, just downloaded scratch ant played with it, nice.
      Then I started implementing sex games in it (but I need to replace the kitten sprites)

    55. Re:I don't need by shimage · · Score: 1

      Actually, I do care that Wal-mart doesn't sell porn. I care more about that then the fact that Apple doesn't sell porn. I don't have an iPhone, and I don't plan on buying one, and since Steve Jobs is so fanatical about keeping developers from making cross-platform applications on the iPhone, it doesn't really affect me much. HOWEVER, most games (and probably other media as well) need to be carried by Wal-mart to be profitable, and so they will self-censor however they must in order to be sold in there. So, even though I don't shop at Wal-mart, the media I consume is still affected by Wal-mart's policies. I fail to see how this is better than iTunes. I can make another analogy with Texas and textbooks, if you want.

    56. Re:I don't need by feranick · · Score: 1

      I think it will change. Look at some of the decisions made in the design of the last Macbook pros, in determining which GPU to use (discrete vs integrated):
      http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/

    57. Re:I don't need by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      You own their app store?

    58. Re:I don't need by Znork · · Score: 1

      If Steve goes on like this, the iPhone will soon bear the same relation to gadget 'coolness' as a Fisher Price stethoscope does to being a doctor. Playing nanny for your customers works fairly well within the field of protecting them from product breakage, but when you stop treating them like adults you're treading a very fine line between 'safe for kids' and 'for kids'. And even a lot of kids don't think the 'for kids' things are cool...

    59. Re:I don't need by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Apple and Nintendo have always seemed like sister companies, each in their own fields.

    60. Re:I don't need by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Censorship is ALWAYS about a form of branding.

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    61. Re:I don't need by feranick · · Score: 1

      More to the point, Apple possible discontinuation of the software download page:

      http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/developers-concerned-that-mac-os-x-downloads-page-may-vanish.ars

      (It might paranoid, nevertheless...)

    62. Re:I don't need by welshsocialist · · Score: 1

      They also censor artists who criticize Walmart.

      This is correct. In the late 1990's Sheryl Crow had a song with the lyric Watch out sister/Watch out brother/Watch our children as they kill each other/with a gun they bought at the Wal-Mart discount stores. It was banned and to this day the album isn't available in stores (or online). It is available on their download site here. Go figure. For details on the controversy, see here.

      As for the story at hand. I've learned to mostly avoid the App Store and the entire iTunes store. It isn't worth it anymore.

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    63. Re:I don't need by GrayNimic · · Score: 1

      They're not really thinking of the children.

      Since when does "Think of the children!" rationale have anything to do with actually attempting to help children?

  13. Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. "

    Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children, especially compared to the violence in media and games sold on the iPhone, so I don't know why one would be a moral imperative and the other would not. I actually think this is marketing, designed to appeal to parents who want their kids kept safe from the evils of... umm... boobies?

    But that's okay. If he's recommending an Android phone, I'll probably take him up on it when I purchase a smartphone.

    1. Re:Okay by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wanting to prevent your children from seeing pornography and wanting to prevent your children from seeing breasts are two completely different things.

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    2. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wanting to prevent your children from seeing pornography and wanting to prevent your children from seeing breasts are two completely different things.

      No, actually they're two related things, especially in the context of iPhones since any boobies on the iPhone are going to be considered pornographic by a large percentage of the population. I guess I don't understand what you're trying to get at in context of this discussion. My best guess is you like breasts but your son is gay and you don't approve and don't want him looking at wee wee's on the phone you're paying for. Either that or you're going off on a weird tangent.

    3. Re:Okay by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't admit that I watch porn without boobs if I were you...

    4. Re:Okay by think_nix · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. How about educating first instead of throwing the banhammer around. I hate how companies want to sell me their idealism's through their locked down products.

    5. Re:Okay by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nipples are far worse than depictions of brutal murder. Don't argue with the MPAA.

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    6. Re:Okay by Pharmboy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Its OK if Johnny sees a titty blown off with a shotgun, as long as no one was suckling it at the time.

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    7. Re:Okay by think_nix · · Score: 1

      No, actually they're two related things, especially in the context of iPhones since any boobies on the iPhone are going to be considered pornographic by a large percentage of the population. I guess I don't understand what you're trying to get at in context of this discussion. My best guess is you like breasts but your son is gay and you don't approve and don't want him looking at wee wee's on the phone you're paying for. Either that or you're going off on a weird tangent.

      Exactly , just like in American newspapers there are no Breasts it is considered pron. In Europe there are Breasts are on the front page. In some cultures portrations of nudeness is even considered "Art".

    8. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called context. A child seeing nudity in say an educational setting is a lot different than porn, hence breasts being different than pornography.

    9. Re:Okay by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      How many parents are going to spend that much money on a phone for their kid? Instead of an iPhone a smart parent would just give their kid a "non-smart" phone.

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    10. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. "

      Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children, especially compared to the violence in media and games sold on the iPhone, so I don't know why one would be a moral imperative and the other would not. I actually think this is marketing, designed to appeal to parents who want their kids kept safe from the evils of... umm... boobies?

      But that's okay. If he's recommending an Android phone, I'll probably take him up on it when I purchase a smartphone.

      Now, you don't have any problem with children seeing "boobies." Fair enough.

      What about actual intercourse?
      What about scatological porn?
      What about BDSM porn?
      What about bestiality?
      What about...okay, that's the limit of my awareness of obscure fetishes. I'm sure there's plenty more extreme stuff out there.

      At some point, most people will cross a line as to what they want shown to impressionable young people. Your line may be different from mine or my neighbors, but there is a line somewhere for just about anyone. (And if not...you're one sick fuck!)

      Apple has decided that they'll draw the line before any nudie pics at all. Why there? Probably because it's an easy judgement call to make

      Don't like it? Do as Steve suggest and get an Android phone

    11. Re:Okay by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      In some cultures portrations of nudeness is even considered "Art".

      In some cultures? Try just about any culture on the planet. Try to find me an American art museum that doesn't have any pieces that portray nudity. The FCC may be stuck in the dark ages when it comes to non-pornographic portrayals of nudity, but not everyone else in America is.

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    12. Re:Okay by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are telling me that a large percentage of the population find this pornographic? I find that very hard to believe. Most people understand that the difference between mere nudity and pornographic nudity is context.

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    13. Re:Okay by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time there is an article related to pornography there are dozens of posts along the lines of "ZOMG BOOBIES!!!" attempting to portray those who want to block pornography as fragile people who think the sight of female breasts will ruin children.

      There are perfectly reasonable people who have no problem with children seeing Venus de Milo, breastfeeding mothers, or people sunbathing nude, but want to prevent children from seeing pornography.

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    14. Re:Okay by natural1 · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children...

      You apparently have never been to Goatse.cx

    15. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      You are telling me that a large percentage of the population find this [wikipedia.org] pornographic?

      In the U.S., sadly yes.

      Most people understand that the difference between mere nudity and pornographic nudity is context.

      Actually, according to the dictionary, the difference is the intent of the emotion intended by the artist (aesthetic versus erotic).

    16. Re:Okay by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      In the U.S., sadly yes.

      [citation needed]

      the difference is the intent of the emotion intended by the artist (aesthetic versus erotic).

      That is my point...

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    17. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I don't have any problem with kids seeing pornography of any sort, although I do think they need to be slightly educated about it so they don't mistake it for an accurate depiction of sex. Bestiality is a special case because most of it is violence, rape if you will, of animals unable to properly consent. I don't have a problem with the sex aspect of rape, but the violence aspect.

      Apple has decided that they'll draw the line before any nudie pics at all.

      Except they didn't. They drew the line at no porn in applications, except Playboy and a few other major, recognizable ones and all the porn you want via the Web browser.

      Don't like it? Do as Steve suggest and get an Android phone

      You do realize that's what I said I was likely going to do, right? I don't object to Apple's decision, it just isn't really right for me and seems more like marketing than an honest attempt to be moral.

    18. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      How many parents are going to spend that much money on a phone for their kid? Instead of an iPhone a smart parent would just give their kid a "non-smart" phone.

      A couple hundred thousand so far.

    19. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      There are perfectly reasonable people who have no problem with children seeing Venus de Milo, breastfeeding mothers, or people sunbathing nude, but want to prevent children from seeing pornography.

      I don't understand that reasoning. Perhaps you can explain it? I especially don't understand that reasoning among people who have no problem with their kids viewing violence. Perhaps you'd care to explain that reasoning as well?

    20. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      It's called context. A child seeing nudity in say an educational setting is a lot different than porn, hence breasts being different than pornography.

      But I didn't write "breasts" I wrote "boobies" which is not exactly the same, eh?

    21. Re:Okay by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      I don't understand that reasoning

      This is a conversation better had with a licensed psychologist.

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    22. Re:Okay by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      Graphic violence is not supposed to make you want to be violent.

      Pornography is supposed to make you want sex.

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    23. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Mr. Jobs is going a bit far with the rhetoric, but to play devil's advocate, there's a a big difference between a lot of the porn out there and just boobies. Just to be clear, I have an android phone and am not backing Apple's position here.

    24. Re:Okay by punxking · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I want to protect children from seeing both porn and violence; in my case I call it "parenting" and that responsibility falls to me (for my kids in any case). Another idea that goes along with this whole "parenting" school of thought is that children should be prepared for the real world, and (hopefully) socialized and educated such that they will grow up learning to think and feel for themselves. Both porn and violence are real world factors that kids will eventually be confronted with and it's my job to protect them before they are ready and prepare them to be (I hope) thoughtful, sagacious, pragmatic, etc. once they are ready.

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    25. Re:Okay by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Also don't argue with the FCC and SCOTUS. And of course, the use of about 7 specific words is also far worse than a depiction of a brutal murder.

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    26. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Female nipples will be the downfall of society. Nevermind violence. We must protect the children from female nipples. I mean, after they reach a certain age. When they are REALLY little children they're ok. But after that, they become evil.

    27. Re:Okay by alexo · · Score: 1

      Graphic violence is not supposed to make you want to be violent.

      Graphic violence desensitizes you to violence.

    28. Re:Okay by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      It would be a lot clearer if you and the other "reasonable people" said that children should be restricted to softcore. The "dozens" would mostly agree with you, though raising kids strictly on video of women (and men?) posing naked and nature programs of animals mating can't be healthy.

    29. Re:Okay by SpeZek · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes, there are a lot of people that find any depiction of nudity erotic and/or inappropriate. They might not be a huge percentage, but they often have the loudest voices.

      And, yes, there are tons of people who complain when Michaelangelo's David tours America. The Simpson's even parodied that one in the 90's.

    30. Re:Okay by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It is, look it up. Young children exposed to hard core porn will have serious issues latter on in life, Issues with parenting, substance abuse, among others.

      It's pretty well studied.

      we aren't talking about a shot of boobies, we are talking about sexual engagement.

      I like porn, but that is no reason to hide from realities.

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    31. Re:Okay by tftp · · Score: 1

      Wanting to prevent your children from seeing pornography and wanting to prevent your children from seeing breasts are two completely different things.

      The whole natural purpose of breasts is to be touched (and seen, unless blindfolded) by children. Of course that is subverted nowadays out of convenience, and children are fed with some industrially produced powders of random quality.

    32. Re:Okay by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

      There are perfectly reasonable people who have no problem with children seeing Venus de Milo, breastfeeding mothers, or people sunbathing nude, but want to prevent children from seeing pornography.

      I don't understand that reasoning. Perhaps you can explain it?

      These people tend to object to the way that pornography depicts women and gender relations. Nearly all hardcore porn bottoms down to paid actors acting out various forms of misogyny for the benefit of a male audience that wants to see women degraded on screen. It's not an accident that hardcore porn routinely labels its actresses as "sluts" or "whores," and that the women in the screen will accept any sort of treatment that the actors will put them through (or worse: they will not accept it, and the guy will do it anyway). The objection to the softcore stuff is more subtle; the problem there is that it depicts women as interchangeable objects that serve simply to please the men who look at them.

      I especially don't understand that reasoning among people who have no problem with their kids viewing violence. Perhaps you'd care to explain that reasoning as well?

      But the sort of people who object to children watching porn on those grounds usually also object to kids viewing violence. In fact, they object to a lot of media that has no nudity in it for the same reasons they object to porn. The point is that nudity doesn't damage children, but uncritical portrayals of bad attitudes toward sexuality does, and porn is the #1 cultural expression of really nasty, unhealthy attitudes toward sexuality.

      There's also the issue that younger children's critical thinking skills are very much not up to par. A child that sees stylized depictions of violence and sex over and over will come to believe that those depictions are realistic, leading to a lot of very wrong ideas about both. There's lots of misconceptions about violence that come from the fact that most people see most of their "violence" in movies and TV:

      1. Shooting somebody with a gun will push them backwards.
      2. Hitting somebody in the head with a lead pipe will only stun them, not kill them.
      3. Fights are usually long, protracted affairs, and even if you get hit a lot at first, there's a good chance you can recover.

      And so on. Likewise, if your kids learn sexuality from porn, they'll end up with a lot of wrong, unrealistic notions about sex. If you want children to grow into sexually healthy adults, you probably don't want to make a big deal out of nudity or masturbation taboos, but you probably also want to shield them from porn.

    33. Re:Okay by Tom · · Score: 1

      There are perfectly reasonable people who have no problem with children seeing Venus de Milo, breastfeeding mothers, or people sunbathing nude, but want to prevent children from seeing pornography.

      I agree.

      I don't understand why, though. And that's serious. Can you point to any non-anecdotal evidence that seeing porn is harmful to children? My current level of knowledge is that no evidence whatsoever exists and our "think of the children" attitude towards porn is probably a mixture of leftover christian morals and projected personal disgust/fascination. But I'm ready to learn, so if you have any evidence, studies, etc. - please point me there.

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    34. Re:Okay by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      Some people still have those "leftover" Christian morals.

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    35. Re:Okay by Tom · · Score: 1

      I know, it's the source of a large part of our troubles today, but that wasn't the point at all, we can discuss that elsewhere.

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    36. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I don't understand that reasoning

      This is a conversation better had with a licensed psychologist.

      Why would you need a psychologist to explain a process of reasoning? If people do have a rational and consistent reason for their actions, surely someone can explain it. If you need a psychologist that, implies is is irrational and emotive, rather than reasoned. After all, psychologists are experts in dealing with emotion, not logic.

    37. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      These people tend to object to the way that pornography depicts women and gender relations.

      But Apple has a moral imperative to block porn, but not block normal TV that shows many of the same gender relations problems? Or for that matter, the writings of Hemmingway? What I was asking was the reasoning for blocking porn specifically, or porn except for Playboy and a few others and what's on Web pages. And do such depictions actually harm children?

      But the sort of people who object to children watching porn on those grounds usually also object to kids viewing violence.

      Except that's not what we're talking about. Supposedly Apple has a moral imperative to stop porn, but not to stop violence in applications on their device. So arguing that both are the same or similar issue makes my point, rather than refutes it.

      And so on. Likewise, if your kids learn sexuality from porn, they'll end up with a lot of wrong, unrealistic notions about sex.

      Agreed, but I think small amount of honest education is a better method than trying to censor the world. Let em know porn is fiction, like most TV, and is about as realistic.

      I still say this is mostly marketing from Apple and I don't see a consistent and reasoned view that can claim porn hurts kids to the extent we need to censor it, but violence does not need to be censored for those same kids... and that does seem to be Apple's "moral" position right now.

    38. Re:Okay by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      It is, look it up. Young children exposed to hard core porn will have serious issues latter[sic] on in life, Issues with parenting, substance abuse, among others. It's pretty well studied.

      Okay I did look it up. Google Scholar seems to show just the opposite, with correlations between pornography and violence against women actually having a slight negative correlation. The phrase used in the largest meta study I found was "a sizable body of literature showing no causative link".

      Perhaps you have a study you were thinking of and would like to cite?

  14. Finally! by the_one_wesp · · Score: 0

    An android that's "fully functional and programmed in multiple techniques!" Star Trek fans are drooling!

  15. so... He's saying... by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apple products are for girly men... Or not.

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    1. Re:so... He's saying... by ErkDemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, an iPhone/iPad isn't exactly the most macho-looking bit of hi-technology, is it?

      Every time I see a woman carrying an iPhone, it seemed to be bulked up with big chunky covers and accessories, presumably because otherwise it just looks too girlie.

      If you look at it, and track back the design vocabulary of the back and the rim and the little round button, the design ethos is essentially classic ladies jewelery. The silver-backed iPod Touch looks like what you'd expect a Chanel silver-backed ladies' hairbrush to look like with the bristles removed.

      It's all a bit Paris Hilton.

    2. Re:so... He's saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na, he's saying "I'm despicable scum who is not afraid to pull the "for the children" card."

  16. You're all missing the point by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is marketing-speak for "We're going to be opening the Apple Porn Store very soon. You think the rigid curves of our multi-touch sensors are cool? You ain't seen nothing. Wait for Steve Jobs to say, 'And one more thing.'"

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    1. Re:You're all missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hmm, Apple Porn. *looks at fruit basket*

    2. Re:You're all missing the point by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Man, you guys can warp any Apple/Jobs announcement in a way that makes them look good. Talk about a reality distortion field.

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    3. Re:You're all missing the point by Anonymusing · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

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    4. Re:You're all missing the point by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Go whoosh yourself.

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  17. The real reason for the ban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs is contractually obligated to be the biggest prick in the Apple universe.

  18. Alternatively... by Tenek · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs would like to loudly announce that his competitor's product has a feature he won't ever implement.

    1. Re:Alternatively... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs would like to loudly announce that his competitor's product has a feature he won't ever implement.

      You mean *gasp* there isn't an app for that?

  19. Smart move. by beckett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".

    nicely played.

    1. Re:Smart move. by SoupGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right... there's no way Google could ever come out looking like a good guy.

      "We let our users choose what to download."

      Hmmm...

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    2. Re:Smart move. by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".

      I dunno... In Google's shoes, I'd respond to this with a one (and a half) sentence press release, something to the effect of "44% of all internet searches look for porn, and 97% of all households have searched for porn-related terms more than once. Android - For people who value freedom"

    3. Re:Smart move. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Right... there's no way Google could ever come out looking like a good guy. "We let our users choose what to download."

      It would be nice if that would work, but there's a huge market right now for phones bought for minors and the purchasers often don't want the phone owner to be able to choose. A smarter move would be for Google to leverage their vast knowledge of the Web to start a ratings system for Web pages, Create a setup so phones can be locked to a particular level of rating for Web pages and apps, and then demonstrate how iPhones let kids look at any creepy fetish porn site but Android provide better controls.

    4. Re:Smart move. by copponex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I guess Sergey could say he remembers what it was like being under the thumb of a hopeless totalitarian dickhole from his time living in Soviet Era Russia. So, if you want the same experience of someone else deciding what you can and cannot have access to, shackle yourself to an iPhone.

      (By the way, Steve Jobs is the same guy who denied paternity while his daughter and former girlfriend lived on welfare. I don't think he has any solid footing on the moral high ground.)

    5. Re:Smart move. by Altus · · Score: 1

      "... even the children."

      cue the "Wont somebody think of the children" lobby.

      Porn and absolute freedom might be popular here, but not so much in the rest of the world.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    6. Re:Smart move. by thijsh · · Score: 1

      All they have to do to make sales rise and simultaneously make Jobs and Apple look like a bunch of elitist smug snobs is: *nothing*

    7. Re:Smart move. by flitty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google's Response:

      The iPhone. You know, for kids!

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    8. Re:Smart move. by cybaz · · Score: 0

      This is mainly targeted at corporate buyers, by pigeonholing android as a "porn phone" he essentially takes them out of the corporate market.

    9. Re:Smart move. by QuasiEvil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Simple, you don't answer the porn charge directly. You instead talk about how Android is about user choice and user freedom, rather than what putzfuck Jobs decrees "acceptable" for you to use.

    10. Re:Smart move. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends who you're marketing to. The pro-porn stance might not win you a majority in the overall population, but Apple may well have shot themselves in the foot when it comes to their most loyal customers.

      Sure, smartphones are heading for the mainstream now, but the core audience (probably even more so for the iPhone than most others) is young, affluent, media-minded types. That just happens to intersect almost exactly with the segment of the population who are likely to be particularly liberal and progressively minded, the ones who are quite comfortable with sex.

      Banning the apps was one thing, but actively using the availability of porn as a negative against Android sounds like something from the 1950s. All this has done is made me think of Jobs as old and out of touch.

    11. Re:Smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the
      iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a
      place "where we don't want to go".

      I dunno... In Google's shoes, I'd respond to this with a one (and a half) sentence press release, something to the
      effect of "44% of all internet searches look for porn, and 97% of all households have searched for
      porn-related terms more than once. 100% of those searches are conducted with web browsers. Safari Mobile on the iPhone is a web browser.

      FTFY

    12. Re:Smart move. by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      Hrm I'm not sure if that last part is fair to Jobs. We don't know the details of that situation. What if he truly believed he was sterile? What if the woman had other men around? Etc. The list of possibles can go on, but we simply don't know. I'm boycotting all things Apple right now but I think those type of quick summaries we see on people don't qualify as truly knowing them.

    13. Re:Smart move. by neha12345 · · Score: 1

      Its very difficult to charge porn against some one. Get more related to this http://gourl.gr/ckl

    14. Re:Smart move. by Drathus · · Score: 1

      Or they could release those same percentages where the browser was mobile safari on an iphone...

    15. Re:Smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".

      nicely played.

      Is Steve Jobs trolling, or are you? ;)

    16. Re:Smart move. by Draek · · Score: 1

      Google: "On the iPhone, you get only what Steve Jobs deems acceptable for you to have. On Android, you get the world". Cue fast slideshow of the cover of the Anarchist's Cookbook, some of O'Reilly's Java books, a comic from the cartonist that was banned from the App Store last week, and finally a photo of a couple kissing.

      But I'm sure a marketing expert would be able to make it both more subtle and, at the same time, far more damning to Apple than I did, but yeah, it is possible.

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    17. Re:Smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming pornography is universally considered bad. Most societies around the world are not like that. Fundamental christians and muslims have terror of the naked body, but most everyone else doesn't.
      There's no universal rule by which nakedness or sex has to be considered evil.
      And before someone mentions child pornography, gang bangs or the like, keep in mind that Jobs prohibited ANY kind of porn, even light, chicks kissing or flashing boobs porn.

    18. Re:Smart move. by peppepz · · Score: 1

      There's a huge market for $600 phones... for kids?

    19. Re:Smart move. by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      I think Google could create some kind of arty super bowl commercial that makes a link to certain companies and Orwel's 1984. Ridley Scott could direct it.

    20. Re:Smart move. by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      Actually, that may not be as bad an argument as one might first think. For a long time Apple suffered from the commonly held belief that Apple computers were "toys" and therefore not intended for use in the workplace. It's one reason that IBM PC Compatibles dominated the marketplace for years.

      I don't know if the claim that "iPhones are toys" would have the same effect, but it doubtlessly would be a painful reminder to Apple.

    21. Re:Smart move. by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 1

      Google doesn't have to do anything other than watching Jobs destroying his own reputation among iPhone fans who can still think.

    22. Re:Smart move. by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Sheesh. Only on Slashdot do people think that announcing your platform is porn-friendly is a positive PR move.

      Freedom, sure, everyone can back that. Porn? Not so much.

    23. Re:Smart move. by indiechild · · Score: 1

      It's basic common sense strategy. You don't play the game according to your opponent's rules. You act instead of react.

    24. Re:Smart move. by dkf · · Score: 1

      Simple, you don't answer the porn charge directly. You instead talk about how Android is about user choice and user freedom, rather than what putzfuck Jobs decrees "acceptable" for you to use.

      Actually, what you really do is remake the classic Apple 1984 advert, except this time you have Steve star as Big Brother.

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    25. Re:Smart move. by Tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (By the way, Steve Jobs is the same guy who denied paternity while his daughter and former girlfriend lived on welfare. I don't think he has any solid footing on the moral high ground.)

      He later acknowledge, and this was in the late 70s. I don't know which world you live in, but the one around here has this thing called "change", and sometimes it applies to the minds of people as much as to the physical reality.

      Casting doubts on the morality of someone for something that happened 30+ years ago is just stupid. Talk to us again if you can find a case like that from this millenium.

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    26. Re:Smart move. by copponex · · Score: 1

      Tom, I live in a world where a person who feigns moral superiority for monetary gain or even personal vanity is rightly called a hypocrite, and outed for it when possible.

    27. Re:Smart move. by Tom · · Score: 1

      Then say that, and don't bring up stuff that happened before most of the /. audience was born. Seriously, if you don't like his face, say you don't like his face. Don't dig through ancient history to find a bullshit reason like "it looks like Louis II and he was an asshole, too".

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    28. Re:Smart move. by theolein · · Score: 1

      Why be fair to Jobs? Are you stupid enough to think he'd be fair to you? Apart from, which, the affair has been pretty widely documented. They had paternity test back then, too, you know.

  20. "we're not going to go there" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, is this a statement about the second derivative?

  21. You have to wonder... by Third+Position · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn.

    How does he know?

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    Finally, a real choice!
    1. Re:You have to wonder... by viking099 · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's got this friend, see, who never thought it would happen to him.

      It all began in line at the Apple store, and a warm hand brushed the back of his neck, and whispered, "You might like the way I look on that iPhone, but with your Android phone, you get it all, even the parts where iTouch myself."

    2. Re:You have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Steve Jobs. Reality changes itself to fit his image.

    3. Re:You have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He really uses an Android phone disguised to look like an iPhone. That's why he is recommending it.

  22. Boobies are powerful things by Tony · · Score: 1

    They cause earthquakes, don'tcha know.

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    Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
  23. Let's get smut off the streets of America . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    ... and back into homes, where it belongs!

    Steve Jobs doesn't like porn!?!?!?!

    Time to pull him up to testify before these folks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee

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  24. let me fix that..... by initdeep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn out of the app store to keep the moronic soccer moms off our ass. Folks who want porn can just use safari and browse to it like a normal person. You know, there's plenty of porn available on the iPhone, and plenty of gay porn hookup apps that soccer moms won't even notice. You can download porn via the browser, or any number of "respectable" apps from companies that make us a lot of money like Playboy and Sports Illustrated , your kids can download porn on their iPhones faster than we can attempt to block it, so we just come up with some lame ass story for the soccer mom's and they buy it because they are fucking pathetically stupid. That's a place we don't want to go, blocking safari, because we know kids will find their porn via browser anyway, so we're not going to go there."

    1. Re:let me fix that..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because Soccer Moms LOVE iPhones! Steve Jobs sure knows his target audience.

    2. Re:let me fix that..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only proves that their decision has nothing to do with the children. I don't care if apple makes and enforces rules, but it's lame that it's so arbitrary. The excuses about what they let through and what they don't is even lamer. Steve Jobs is a master of self-justification. It's scary.

    3. Re:let me fix that..... by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      So in other words: Even Jobs' shit tastes like chocolate!
      Way to polish a turd.

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    4. Re:let me fix that..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Slashdot edited this like some propagandist

      Apple, doubleplus bad!

    5. Re:let me fix that..... by jasno · · Score: 1

      That's funny... my wife just told me about her soccer mom friend who was raving about her iPhone yesterday.

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  25. American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is it about porn that makes so many Americans so scared their children will see it?

    1. Re:American pornophobia by ircmaxell · · Score: 1

      Quite simple. Parents are afraid that they would actually need to parent their children. So instead, they turn to people like Jobs to try to restrict everything of what they consider moral questionability so that they don't need to...

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      If a man isn't willing to take some risk for his opinions, either his opinions are no good or he's no good
    2. Re:American pornophobia by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about anyone else, but my primary fear is that my kids would see it and tell one of their friends at school about it. This then gets overheard by a parent with a huge stick up their ass who goes and tells anyone she can find that I'm letting my children watch porn, and before I know it I'm on the sex offender registry and my kids have a new family because this whole country always has a huge kneejerk overreaction whenever sex and children are mentioned in the same paragraph.

      In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.

    3. Re:American pornophobia by Altus · · Score: 1

      yea, its just America. Its not like the UK recently passed any draconian measures limiting the types of porn you are allowed to possess. And its certainly not an issue in other countries like India where 2 people kissing in a mainstream movie can be a huge media event.

      Yea, its just America.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    4. Re:American pornophobia by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      Because if little Johnny sees a boobie, it'll trigger the apocalypse. I thought everybody knew that?

    5. Re:American pornophobia by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Christianity. Ever been to the American South?

      (Disclaimer: I am Alabamian.)

    6. Re:American pornophobia by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Parents are not ALLOWED to parent their children in America. That's the State's job. (Somewhere, Mussolini is laughing.)

      Two anecdotal incidents:

      1. My son is wont to run off without looking or thinking if he does not get what he wants (Mom tends to give in to irrational desires, me: far less so). I stopped him from trying to run into highway traffic while he was having one of his fits because he did not want shoes. Later, his mother called police because there was a small abrasion on his stomach. (I held him around the abdomen.) I was arrested, jailed for felony assault of a minor, and eventually pled guilty to disorderly conduct -- not because I was fearful of facing the charge -- but because it was necessary that the case be closed so I could continue to parent my kids: the State had to give me a trial within 90 days of pressing charges, but they could sit on those charges for five years, keeping the case open. Besides, disorderly conduct in WA essentially is anything that might make someone assault you -- perhaps someone might think I was trying to kidnap him.

      2. My daughter wanted to meet a much older person she was chatting with online. I though it a perfect chance to teach how to meet strangers, that might become friends, even as I was wary. I set ground rules: I come along, we meet in a very public restaurant for lunch, we go our separate ways, we do not disclose where we live, we make sure we are not followed after. I was wary about this person's intentions but figured a blanket veto would just encourage a secret meeting which could be far more dangerous. I drilled her on "stranger safety" before the meeting and debriefed her after. This was deemed by a mental health professional as a "poor choice" and that the veto would be better.

      3. A friend of my daughters recounted how some female classmates wanted her to be "in" on their plan. They were upset at how much homework a male teach was assigning and were to accuse, en masse, that he sexually abused them, figuring their numbers would bolster the believability of the allegation.

      The bottom line is that effective parenting can get one jailed these days. And, I know many parents who outright fear their kids.

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      In Liberty, Rene
    7. Re:American pornophobia by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a valid fear. I know someone who asked her father about sex she was about 6 or 7. Her father, not being ashamed of the biological process, gave her a frank and straightforward explanation. Being a child, she then told some of her classmates about it and next thing you know: the parents were getting a visit from CPS.

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    8. Re:American pornophobia by tibman · · Score: 1

      I think there are a lot of religous hold ups over porn. And i hate to say it but my experiences with religious people lately has been that they want to appear right, not necessarily be right. So while they loudly denouce porn in daylight, their monitors flicker with sins at night.

      This has been my personal experience lately, don't take this as a jab at all religious peoples and faiths.

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    9. Re:American pornophobia by saintlupus · · Score: 1

      (Disclaimer: I am Alabamian.)

      You mean all white, with pink eyes?

    10. Re:American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two anecdotal incidents:

      There are II types of people in the world: Those that count in Roman numerals, and those that count in binary.

    11. Re:American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land of the free no longer...

    12. Re:American pornophobia by pydev · · Score: 1

      The American South isn't actually Christian, it just calls itself Christian.

    13. Re:American pornophobia by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      1) Sounds like you need a better lawyer. Yeah if your wife calls the cops on you and there is evidence - its all over. Generally speaking males abuse kids far more than women do. Males abuse women more then women abuse men. So if a woman calls the cops that someone in your house has been abused and has marks to "prove" it - that's all they need to arrest.

      2) I dunno - if mental health professionals are involved with your family (speaking from experience here!) then you already have issues at home and the state needed to get involved.

      3) Not sure what #3 has to do with the state parenting your kids. Your daughters friends sound like arseholes. Luckily us teachers have unions that protect us from baseless accusations (and people really do wonder why teachers are unionized - seriously).

      Bottom line? If state mental health professionals aren't counseling your family and you don't have a wife calling the cops on you when she suspects abuse - no the state isn't parenting your kids.

    14. Re:American pornophobia by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.

      That's about the most intelligent comment I've heard yet on this subject.

      When I was about, oh, eleven or twelve, my Dad handed me a stack of Playboys, Penthouses and other porno mags a couple feet thick (my uncle maintained several subscriptions, apparently.) I went nuts for a week, but after I got it out of my system it wasn't such an attraction. Meanwhile, all of my friends were still hiding their own copies underneath their mattresses to keep them away from their less open-minded parents. Me, I kept mine right out in the open ... none of them could believe it. "Geez, hide that or you'll get grounded for a month!" "Nah, my Dad doesn't care." It really was pretty cool, and frankly it had zero impact on how I turned out as an adult. Didn't rape anyone, don't have any particular fascination for porno: it's just another facet of life. The way I look at it, kids and pornography is mostly a big deal because some people have decided to make it a big deal (and usually for their own benefit, not the children's.) I put the hypocritical Reverend Jobs squarely in that category.

      My Dad always had a way of surprising me. Still, imagine how his attitude would fly today ... I can see the scenario you described happening very easily.

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    15. Re:American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about anyone else, but my primary fear is that my kids would see it and tell one of their friends at school about it. This then gets overheard by a parent with a huge stick up their ass who goes and tells anyone she can find that I'm letting my children watch porn, and before I know it I'm on the sex offender registry and my kids have a new family because this whole country always has a huge kneejerk overreaction whenever sex and children are mentioned in the same paragraph.

      In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.

      Do you have boys? If so, then I pretty much guarantee you they are watching porn with their friends. Maybe you should teach your kids the importance of choosing good, reliable friends. /advice from someone without kids

    16. Re:American pornophobia by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      1) Well, no. I had a very strong case to defend. No formal charges were ever laid, but the arrest was for felony assault 3 of a minor. An element of the crime was "considerable pain for substantial time", and this was missing. The more proper charge would have been assault 4 of a minor which is a "catch all", that includes leaving a mark on a child under 13 (he is 9). A defense is to prevent the child from hurting himself or others. Our son has been diagnosed with PDD/NOS and has been hospitalized for observation because he was deemed "a danger to himself and others", and he has a propensity to run when he does not get his way, hence, my actions to restrain him, This is also why psychologists and psychiatrists are involved with us. The current consensus is that he is NOT PDD/NOS, but rather that he has behavioral issues due to his mother not establishing ANY boundaries.

      Now, I have been seeking custody of our kids, and the standard is their "best interest". So, yes, psychological evaluations are the norm, particularly if the family already has involved such people for their kids.

      Therein lies the legal problem: I could not proceed unless the case against me was closed. The state was not proceeding with formal charges (which would mean a trial in 90 days or less), but they were not closing the case either. (I bailed myself out of jail.) The only way to close the case was to plead to "something" to make the prosecuting attorney happy. Disorderly conduct seamed like a nice catchall, and it fit the statutory definition: acting in such a manner as to make someone assault you (e.g. restraining a child in public). I pled guilty, was given a 90 day sentence, all 90 days suspended for two years, and a $1000 fine. This closes the case.

      2. Oh there are plenty of issues. Mother is an unfit parent, and I am seeking custody.

      3. Tangentially related: the State gives so much power to kids and wrests them from parents without due process (since taking your kids does not involve your liberty, it is handled in the civil courts). Once they have them, they can "treat" them, and guess who pays the bill? Criminal charges are another possibility, but unnecessary to ruin families and lives.

      I know people who fear to discipline their kids in the mildest manner (groundings, withholding of privileges), because the kids pick up the phone, and threaten to call CPS with allegations of abuse.

      So the state, by so empowering kids by claiming to "protect" them IS parenting them, because they've made real parenting a legally risky business fraught with the possibility of criminal charges and civil financial persecution.

      Ideally, in my case, police (or the prosecuting attorney) would readily see that assault 3 was way out of line, and discovery would reveal that I'd have an affirmative defense against assault 4 to restrain our son because of his mental diagnosis and behavioral history. Might take a few days in jail to sort it out (better safe than sorry), but in a reasonable world, the case would likely be dropped without charges laid.

      But, in this world, the prosecuting attorney will either pursue the case, or just as bad, sit on it, leaving a cloud of uncertainty over one's head. The statute of limitations here is five years.

      Interestingly, that same affirmative defense would NOT have worked against a disorderly conduct charge, even though it would work against the more serious charge of assault 4.

      So, yes, when parents call a kid's bluff, they can very easily find themselves in big legal trouble in this era of "protect the children" hysteria. The state very much IS parent.

      Oh, and as to your claim that males abuse kids more than females, care to provide a cite? Evidence suggests the opposite is true: a child living in a fatherless home is more likely to suffer domestic violence.

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      In Liberty, Rene
    17. Re:American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words: you're living in a society ruled by fear.

    18. Re:American pornophobia by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Land of the free?

    19. Re:American pornophobia by Entropius · · Score: 1

      And they say that the rest of the people who call themselves Christian aren't the real Christians -- they are.

      When it comes to political Christianity, it's the bible-thumpers that have the clout, sadly.

    20. Re:American pornophobia by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Exactly why we need to watch what we say in front of kids. Some words that where just plain BAD when I was a kid are used in everyday language. If a child say 'fuck yeah' in from of his 1s grade class, then ti's hell to pay. Mostly by people who talk that way,

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    21. Re:American pornophobia by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You're either a liar, an idiot, or/and have other issues going on you forgot to mention.

      I mean. come one.

      All three of these where subjects of after school specials in the 70's.

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    22. Re:American pornophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went nuts for a week, but after I got it out of my system it wasn't such an attraction.

      Wow I'm going on almost 20 years of 'getting it out of my system', and it's still a pretty big attraction... must be nice...

    23. Re:American pornophobia by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Them's some strong accusations on a public forum. Can you back them up, or elaborate on why that is your opinion?

      On liar: it's pretty hard to tell when one is lying in a public forum, except, for inconsistencies in what they post. All I can say, is that I am telling the truth as best I know it -- even things that are not exactly flattering to me to set the context as straight as I can, without including too much irrelevant stuff.

      On "issues": No, not really, just a battle for the best interests of our kids. I've even offered to continue to pay child support to their mother for a while if I gain custody, so she is not left destitute and therefore unavailable to the,

      That leaves idiot.

      Why come to that conclusion?

      I can think of several reasons:

      1. I do things which, while appropriate, can get me into trouble, instead of doing things that, while technically illegal, might go unnoticed, and keep me "safe". For example, noticing that my son had shoes so worn they were falling appart when his mother provided him to me so I could geed him, I could return him in that state. Except, while in my care, I an responsible for his welfare, have the means to purchase proper shoes, and he is at risk of tripping over his existing ones and getting hurt. To not purchase shoes for him would be clear neglect -- arguing over who should pay for them is irrelevant to his need for shoes. I'd think that's a reflection on bad laws.

      Raising issues covered in '70s TV dramas? In case you haven't noticed, it isn't the 1970s.

      So, how, exactly am I an idiot, then?

      By not "towing the state line and just shutting up, paying child support, but not actually providing for my kids' welfare, and hoping no one notices?" That just proves my proint, that the state does not permit parents to parent.

      Sorry, if I have to chose between what is safer for my kids, and what is legal, I will chose safety.

      --
      In Liberty, Rene
  26. Getting scary by nlawalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."

    Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.

    The "Apple cult" image tossed around as a joke and an insult is becoming more and more true every day. You can't simply buy a device from Apple - you have to buy their device, their software, their platform, and their tastes, desires and morals too, and once you do, you can't separate any of them. This isn't vendor lock-in, it's religion.

    1. Re:Getting scary by Androclese · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have a simple solution for you: Don't buy an Apple Product. Buy something else and keep your money out of Apple's bank accounts. See? Issue resolved.

    2. Re:Getting scary by wiredog · · Score: 1

      "let their users do whatever they feel like," vs "stable platform". Jailbroken iPhones, which let their users do whatever they like, tend to be more crash prone, at least in my experience. So do Android and Windows Mobile. I don't personally know anyone who's crashed their iPhone unless they've jailbroken it. I do know that it's annoying to have your phone crash when you are trying to make a phone call.

      Caveat: Android and WinMobile are stable if you only run apps developed by Google or MS.

      Caveat 2: I have a Motorola V3. It's great for making phone calls.

    3. Re:Getting scary by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.

      No. It isn't. Their moral responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits which they have succeeded in doing, beyond expectations. They have decided to not appeal to fringe geeks and nerds but to instead appeal to the affluent mass market in order to meet their moral responsibility. That moral mass market would prefer if "porn" was not readily available on their consumer electronic devices.

      _YOU_ may not like that but Apple's shareholders, to whom Apple answers, likes it quite a bit.

    4. Re:Getting scary by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Yes, any given porn app is automatically going to crash the phone.

      Seriously, having used the iPhone, the thing crashes from apps they currently have on their store.

    5. Re:Getting scary by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      So don't buy their stuff.

      This is not exactly a new thing from Apple. Lots of people like it that way, as evidenced by the sales Apple manages to make.

    6. Re:Getting scary by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is NOT stable. I had an iPhone 3G and 3GS and applications would crash, the thing would lock up, all sorts of crap. Sold both of my iPhones on Craigslist and bought a Droid. Problem solved.

      Defending draconian bullshit for the sake of stability is a lie.

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    7. Re:Getting scary by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Maximizing profit" is not a moral responsability under any minimally sensible definition of "moral".

    8. Re:Getting scary by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.

      I think it would be more like a hotel saying "There's a TV and DVD player in your room. We're not going to provide porn on the pay-per-view but if you bring your own, we can't control what you put in the player, nor do we care. If you go to porn sites on the wifi, we don't care. But we're not putting it on pay-per-view to make money off of it." That's a fair moral stance to take. But all hotels have porno on the TV because it makes so much money.

      All Jobs has to say is that they're not going to put the apps in the store because of the immense backlash but you can get it via the browser. He's being particularly dickish here.

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    9. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That moral mass market would prefer if "porn" was not readily available on their consumer electronic devices.

      Actually I suspect that the "moral mass market" is mostly hypocritical. That is, I expect that they vocally say that they think porn is evil and wrong, while simultaneously indulging in it privately as much as they like.

      This is reflected perfectly in the iPhone's policy: they claim to prevent porn from getting into the iPhone ecosystem, while simultaneously shipping with a normal web-browser that can be used to access all the porn you could ever want. If Apple were serious about keeping porn off the iPhone, then Safari would have a built-in blocklist for porn sites. But shipping with such a browser would be untenable; the masses would hate it (though claim otherwise).

      In other words, I'm agreeing with you that Apple is correctly targeting the majority of consumers: the moral mass market very much approves of statements like "keep porn off my electronic devices!" The problem is that they only support the statement, and not any serious implementation thereof.

    10. Re:Getting scary by hexgrid · · Score: 1

      Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.

      No. It isn't. Their moral responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits which they have succeeded in doing, beyond expectations. They have decided to not appeal to fringe geeks and nerds but to instead appeal to the affluent mass market in order to meet their moral responsibility. That moral mass market would prefer if "porn" was not readily available on their consumer electronic devices. _YOU_ may not like that but Apple's shareholders, to whom Apple answers, likes it quite a bit.

      They have a legal responsibility to maximize shareholder profits, not a moral one.

    11. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, maximizing their profit is not their "moral" responsibility. Perhaps you should revisit a dictionary.

    12. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "let their users do whatever they feel like," vs "stable platform".
      I could do whatever i liked on macos and now debian stable. Those are stable platforms. Your point being?

    13. Re:Getting scary by AmazinglySmooth · · Score: 1

      There are some funds that only invest in companies that are considered moral. If a large fund like this owns Apple stock, then they can influence the stock price (share value). It may be better to leave this issue than to profit from it. Plus, Disney also tries to maintain a pure image--there may be some influence from there as well.

    14. Re:Getting scary by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They have decided to not appeal to fringe geeks and nerds but to instead appeal to the affluent mass market in order to meet their moral responsibility. That moral mass market would prefer if "porn" was not readily available on their consumer electronic devices.

      I hate to hit you with this, but the overwhelming majority of the population, both male and female, consume porn to one degree or another, and it is the "moral" minority who consume it more voraciously than normal, healthy people who don't hold fucked up bronze age beliefs that sex is bad. (Amusingly, online porn purchases slightly decrease on Sundays.) The market Apple is appealing to isn't moral, it's just hypocritical, not unlike the stridently anti-gay politicians who frequently turn out to be gay themselves.

      The majority may claim to be above porn, but this is the same majority who also claim to be above masturbation, contrary to every reputable study ever conducted, which finds that non-masturbators are a tiny minority, especially among men.

      _YOU_ may not like that but Apple's shareholders, to whom Apple answers, likes it quite a bit.

      Sounds like you like it. I rather expect that most of Apple's shareholders will like anything that increases their profits. If that happens to be Steve Jobs' messiah complex, so be it. If, on the other hand, they thought there was a good way to monetize the iPhone's use to tap into the multi-billion-dollar porn market without hurting existing iPhone sales, then it would be Apple's moral responsibility -- your words, not mine -- to devote considerable resources to making sure that fisting videos were available with the tap of a finger, now wouldn't it?

      But that's how morality goes, isn't it? Any time you hear someone talking loudly about it, you can bet you're dealing with a hypocrite.

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    15. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any moral in the shareholder profit responsibility.

    16. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only ~50% of the "moral mass". Males have phones too...

    17. Re:Getting scary by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No. It isn't. Their moral responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits which they have succeeded in doing, beyond expectations.

      I wish they would. They have a huge pile of cash that they could use in either a buyback or as a dividend that would definitely increase they stock price, and make more money for me as a shareholder. Too bad they don't.

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    18. Re:Getting scary by nine-times · · Score: 1

      No. It isn't. Their moral responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits which they have succeeded in doing, beyond expectations

      Well the truth is they have *many* moral responsibilities, as we all do. One of their many legal responsibilities is to not defraud shareholders of their investment, true, and there is a moral component of that. But they also have moral responsibilities that go beyond that.

      I could easily understand Jobs believing (sincerely and with some valid reason) that he has a moral obligation to provide parental controls, and even to refuse to endorse porn by offering it in their App store. However, I hope he realizes that their iPhone lockdown means that their refusal to distribute applications goes beyond "refusing to endorse them" and into the realm of "actively blocking them". Having the power to block access to functions and applications of a large portion of the population itself carries some moral responsibilities, one of which is to be *very careful* to make sure that power isn't abused.

    19. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If moral beacons of humanity like yourself don't want porn on your mobile device then you shouldn't download any, and should probably get rid of your immaculate iphones, because they can access porn as easily as any other mobile device. When you buy your shiny iphone it has just as much porn preloaded on it as the android phones do (none). The only porn that shows up on an android is the porn the user wants. So get off your dbag high horse, and quit acting like what you think matters. Just because your a deciple of apple doesn't mean your opinion (or the one jobs has given you) about morality means jack s#|t to anyone else.

      and ps.. apple pretending to be a moral authority on porn doesn't increase market share. So get iBent.

    20. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a corporate responsibility, not a moral one. Frequently, the decisions that companies make in order to increase shareholder profits are far from "moral".

    21. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affluent mass market and moral responsibility? Do you have a citation for this? You are just pulling stuff out of the air to defend your Jobs-god, aren't you? You apple zealots have a bad habit of saying something and then just claiming it as fact. Maybe most of you are unsure about the definition?
      Besides, this is a "fringe" (not sure whose butt you pulled that from either) geek and nerd site. Maybe you are in the wrong place.

    22. Re:Getting scary by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Getting scary? Really? *Scary*? Maybe if I were really high and paranoid from bad weed.

      But, hey, where's my Nintendo DS porn! I demand my rights! Nintendogs? Ha! Where's my Nintenwhores? It's that damned Miyamoto's fault, I'll wager! Wii Music has been proven in clinical tests to cause impotence, androgyny and male shrinkage.

    23. Re:Getting scary by jbrandv · · Score: 1

      I've never owned an iPhone but I've played with several. My Nokia n900 regularly has 5-6 applications running simultaneously and has never crashed. I'm watching Hulu right now (using that terrible Flash which has never crashed on this device) and projecting the display onto a 45 inch screen. Try that with your beloved iPhone or droid for that matter. Maemo is so much better than the iPhone OS. A good operating system should be able to gracefully handle poorly written applications without crashing. Plus you should be able to do anything you want with your phone, porn included.

    24. Re:Getting scary by nlawalker · · Score: 1

      Except it *doesn't* resolve the issue, because lots and lots of other people buy into it every day. As more people do, it becomes more OK for companies to pull this kind of crap. It's a tyranny-of-the-majority problem - competitors will look at the walled garden model, see that its working (obviously the people want it, right? Look at iPhone sales!), and emulate it. Quality and integration on the platform goes up (as well as sales), and freedom goes down.

      Look, I'm not RMS, parading for information to be free in every situation, nor can I say I wage war every day against the erosion of privacy. I don't want to make it sound like the apocalypse is coming. All I'm saying is that if people continue to buy into this model and make it successful, other major corporations that can throw their weight around will make their own walled gardens, with their own subjective moral rules and guidelines. Steve says go to Android if you want porn... what if Google sets up their own app store and review process? Yeah, I know they can do no wrong, but neither could Apple in the eyes of Apple developers just a few years ago, and now those developers are screaming about the fact that it's Apple's way or the highway - and Apple did it because it's so clearly what consumers wanted, otherwise they wouldn't be buying into it.

      There may be an app for everything, but if we're not careful, there may not be any platform that lets many of those apps into their walled gardens, if we keep supporting this model.

    25. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some people looking at an Apple product is like looking at p0rn. While I realize that there is generally excepted class of media/items that would be considered as p0rn. There is no debating the fact that some people have different ideas about it. What is Apple doing to stop those people from using their products as the p0rn object itself since their shareholders would not approve?

      The minute you start labeling and controlling content you limit your very own ability to innovate and immediately place yourself in hypocritical situations. Nothing wrong with that, but you do have to suck it up and live with it.

      In a few/several years there will an Apple TV (not the current product, but a real TV) that comes with a lot extra features built in and a set of 4 iPad 3.0’s so that the whole family can interact together while watching content on the TV. If we are lucky the program content based interactive advertisements will get move to the iPads and there will be less need for commercial interruptions on the actual TV. The only question is will Apple still be able to ban pr0n on the Apple TV and connected iPads, iPhones, and iPods.

      Look up the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD battle. About 3 months before Blu-Ray finally won, p0rn started mysteriously showing up on Blu-ray disks going against Sony and their shareholders long standing stance against p0rn. Even given the Playstation’s Blu-ray feature the only reason Sony won is they throughout their morals or at least found someone else to be immoral for them. Once the Studio’s using HD-DVD saw the Blu-ray p0rn media, they all switched almost overnight and HD-DVD died. I lost my bet. I thought HD-DVD was going to win because Sony would never allow p0rn.

      This time I am bet Apple will someday be forced to except p0rn. Though they will never acknowledge some people think they are p0rn. I like Apple but not in that way.

    26. Re:Getting scary by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      There was a sect of that kind once and 918 people drunk poison and died willingly, or so it seemed. In reality they were brain washed, scared and almost tortured into drinking cool-aid with cyanide in it.

      I think Jobs is preparing all of the Apple fans for a similar ending. Before Jobs goes into the never-land himself, there will be a new device: iDie.

      iDie will have a slick interface, no buttons, probably black. You put it between your palms and and it pulverizes you into the nothingness. If Jobs markets this, you know what, there will be many job openings at various design companies.

    27. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a simple solution for you: Don't buy an Apple Product. Buy something else and keep your money out of Apple's bank accounts. See? Issue resolved.

      But but but but but but but SHIIIIIINY!!!!!! It's so translucent plastic brushed aluminum white plastic brushed aluminum again! Look at it! LOOOOK! ZOMG PLZ TAEK ME BACK STEVE

    28. Re:Getting scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently criticism is equivalent to the intent to purchase around these parts, good insight indeed.

    29. Re:Getting scary by indiechild · · Score: 1

      I normally dismiss "religious cult" comments along the lines of yours, but your one actually makes a good point about morals. You have a good argument.

    30. Re:Getting scary by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1

      It's not a religion, it's a cult.

    31. Re:Getting scary by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      I disagree.

      Apple is a religion and Apple disciples just accept and do whatever they are told.

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    32. Re:Getting scary by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      And that's how they like it.

    33. Re:Getting scary by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      no. issue is not resolved until i get to express my opinion. douchebags like you, why don't YOU shut up? if i get conned by someone, obviously i'll do my next deal with someone else, but does that take away my freedom to complain about the conner?

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    34. Re:Getting scary by Tom · · Score: 1

      This isn't vendor lock-in, it's religion.

      You made a halfway valid point until this. Sorry, a religion is a belief system invulnerable to evidence, built on a "we know answers to all questions about life, the universe and everything" promise and usually with a solid helping of superstition, miracles, life-after-death and all that other stuff.

      Look, fans are fans. Sports fans are just as if not more single-minded about their favorite team. That doesn't turn any fan club into a religion.

      Most importantly, I've yet to hear reports about Apple calling their users into a crusade against any other OS, or Apple fans discussing whether windows users should be stoned or hanged, and then following through with it. And while the BSA sometimes seems like the inquisition, it works more for MS than for Apple, and its method of questioning are (at least so far) a little more civilized.

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    35. Re:Getting scary by Androclese · · Score: 1

      Wow, a little bit of criticism, and you call me a douche bag? Is that how arguments are won these days? Assault the speaker to force them to be quiet?

      But ignoring your insult, lets get to the "conned" statement. How exactly were you "conned"?

    36. Re:Getting scary by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      yeah sorry for being a douche myself. But you must understand that people have a right to express themselves. Your retort to gggp that then he should not buy apple stuff is irrelevant. Obviously he won't buy it now. And if he feels something about the jobs guy he is free to do so and does not deserve your discouraging advice.

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  27. Movies with nudity? Gambling? by Orga · · Score: 1

    Where is Steve going to draw the line... Netflix might have some movies on the edge, or tv shows. What's next?

  28. Droid Does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Droid Does

    1. Re:Droid Does by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Droid Does... Dallas?

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  29. I did it!!!! by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Never have been particularly bright, hence I relish my moment of utter brilliance when deciding for Android. And I'll soon be able to flash too!

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  30. Sony Recommends VHS For Fans of Porn by SirWhoopass · · Score: 4, Funny

    Didn't Sony pretty much take the exact same stance with their Betamax format? How did that work out for them?

  31. The Chinese Apple. by BlueKitties · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple has a moral responsibility to provide only high quality apps, and sees that it is necessary to forbid anyone from using their iPhone if they do not abide by their rules; This includes banning porn, and politically sensitive matters. China has a moral responsibility to provide only the highest quality websites, and sees that it is necessary to forbid anyone from using their Internet if they do not abide by their rules; This includes banning porn, and politically sensitive matters.

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    1. Re:The Chinese Apple. by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      If they only provided high quality apps the app store wouldn't have a billion apps it in. It would have about 200.

    2. Re:The Chinese Apple. by wnknisely · · Score: 1

      I think you've got this exactly right. And with the news from the earnings call yesterday that Apple is seeing unexpected and surprising growth in China with respect to iPhone sales, it makes a lot of sense that Apple is going to take this stance. Deciding to go down this road hasn't exactly hurt Disney's bottom line either.

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  32. Every Time Jobs Speaks by SplicerNYC · · Score: 2, Funny

    I end up liking Bill Gates that much more.

    1. Re:Every Time Jobs Speaks by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sorry to disappoint you, but...

      ENSURING HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS

      In addition to designing what the Marketplace is and how it works, we’ve also focused on what users expect of the content they find and have built and operate a certification process that every application and game goes through to meet these customer expectations.

      Customers reasonably expect the applications and games they find:
      - install and run correctly,
      - use device resources efficiently
      - are not malware compromising their identity or that of their friends family and colleagues
      transparently ask and inform users what personal information the application is accessing
      - are legal to own and use in their country of residence, and
      - are of generally good taste excluding pornography, hateful/inflammatory speech, and gratuitous violence.

      So cross your fingers for Android.

    2. Re:Every Time Jobs Speaks by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      That quote is not in your link. Anyway, I don't care what Microsoft (or Google for that matter) doesn't want to sell in their app stores. I care about having an open platform, so that I can choose to buy from others. Google bans porn from the Android store too, but the big difference is that they let you use other stores if you want to.

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    3. Re:Every Time Jobs Speaks by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      This is the correct link.

  33. But Apple does not provide them by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn.

    Sure, but they don't come through Apple. Any application is sold through Apple, so they are at least marginally responsible for content.

    But as you noted, it really doesn't matter since the internet itself offers porn in vast quantities.

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    1. Re:But Apple does not provide them by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are those android porn stores owned by Google?
      Personally I wouldn't care if they did, but somehow I doubt they do.

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    2. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope. Google's Market does not allow porn. Steve is just being an asshole because you can go download and install Android apps from wherever. And somehow the worst kind of app is porn. Not, I dunno, malicious apps that steal your passwords.

      The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.

    3. Re:But Apple does not provide them by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is yet another argument for Android -- you can install apps any way you want, including from any app store you want. There's nothing stopping Apple from opening their own android app store.

      But it does show how moronic these measures are. I mean, you don't see Apple so much as installing a content filter on their mobile Safari, do you?

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    4. Re:But Apple does not provide them by CoffeeDog · · Score: 1

      What you said makes sense which is that Apple doesn't want to be the ones selling porn via the App Store. However that is not exacty what Jobs said which is to keep it "off the iPhone" that would imply Mobile Safari too. Which of those he meant is an excersize left to the reader.

    5. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

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    6. Re:But Apple does not provide them by TheRealSync · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.

      What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?

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    7. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

      He is not mad. He is quite smart. He knows that you can get porn on the iphone. He knows that lots of people are doing it now. He also knows that if parents are going to buy a phone for their children, that the "porn free iphone" will win out against the "Android porn phone".

      He is selling the illusion of a "porn free phone" so it has a wholesome image, so more people will be comfortable buying it than a "porn phone". Even if they secretly look at porn on the iphone - and know they can, consumers don't want the stigma of having a porn phone. That is what Steve is selling here, the apparent illusion of wholesomeness without actually selling that at all. The iphone is a great piece of hardware, but a huge selling feature of it apart from the hardware and interface is the apparent image.

      People don't buy the phones for features alone. They buy them for basic features that all phones have now, and as a status symbol. It is the same thing with a Ferrari. No one NEEDS a Ferrari to get around in - but lots of people want them. It is the same with the iphone. Steve has crafted a mythos around the iphone, and he wants to keep it "Ferrari" like.

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    8. Re:But Apple does not provide them by jbezorg · · Score: 2

      But Apple does not provide them.

      Not true. They provide "reputable" porn. Which, combined with Jobs justification, is like claiming you're a vegan and still eating seafood.

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    9. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anti-porn is one of the few things that ultra-liberals ("objectifies women") and ultra-conservatives ("makes Jesus cry") can agree on.

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    10. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or a virgin (doing only anal)

    11. Re:But Apple does not provide them by colesw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haven't you heard? Only gay people watch pornography!

    12. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod this man up!( the butt from the sounds of it)

    13. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Hey, Apple has locked down the iPhone and you can't do anything on it without signed written permission from them. Or something like that.

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    14. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily my ipad is safe. *fapfapfap*

    15. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

      He is not mad. He is quite smart.He knows that you can get porn on the iphone. He knows that lots of people are doing it now.

      So you claim he's not mad, just a liar. You claim he doesn't believe he has a "moral responsibility" to keep porn off the iPhone.

      And if you think there's no porn in Ferraris...

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    16. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is Apple gay-friendly? Also since when is it politically liberal?

    17. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.

      How is this an insightful post?
      We went to discussing adult made applications to bashing liberals and gays. Nice job, Mr. conservative closet homo jerk.

    18. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you claim he's not mad, just a liar.

      Most of what he says is marketing drivel, so, yes...

    19. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And both groups watch it along with the rest of us.

    20. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Its a total lie though - there are no porn apps on the android marketplace.

    21. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 0

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

      He is not mad. He is quite smart.He knows that you can get porn on the iphone. He knows that lots of people are doing it now.

      So you claim he's not mad, just a liar. You claim he doesn't believe he has a "moral responsibility" to keep porn off the iPhone.

      And if you think there's no porn in Ferraris...

      He can keep porn off the iphone about as well as I can keep spam out of email. So, if you wish to call him a liar or a hopeful idealist, take your pick.

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    22. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Lars+T. · · Score: 0

      Nope. Google's Market does not allow porn. Steve is just being an asshole because

      ... because Google has the same policy. No, wait.

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    23. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing. In no way has anyone been making baseless, unfounded jokes about Apple user's sexual orientation behind their backs. That's a vicious rumour. You're being paranoid.

    24. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about gay, male-male porn? Does that objectify women?

    25. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Don't give them any ideas.

    26. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libs want radical control over the economy for your own good because you are too stupid, and Repubicans want radical control over your personal life because you are too stupid. So yeah, doing some thing fun that makes money gets political whiners all fussy. Watch out, they might blog about it.
       
      Odd, they do the same thing, ass kissing that is boarder line rimming on every television station they can get on, but I guess if they complain about it in the process, then technically it isn't porn.
       
      How about Libtards and Repubicans agree that if a woman does porn and enjoys it, she is a slut, but if she doesn't like it, then she is a victim, If a man does porn and likes it, he is a misogynistic asshole, but if he doesn't like it, then he is gay.

    27. Re:But Apple does not provide them by hitmark · · Score: 1

      heh, new iphone, now with centrally controlled content filter, for a more child-friendly experience.

      aol in a pocket, anyone?

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    28. Re:But Apple does not provide them by TheRealSync · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nothing. In no way has anyone been making baseless, unfounded jokes about Apple user's sexual orientation behind their backs. That's a vicious rumour. You're being paranoid.

      So... because because people make jokes about Apple users being gay, it is weird that Apple doesn't allow porn in their App Store? I fail to see how that makes sense. But hey, you got modded up, I am clearly missing something ;)

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    29. Re:But Apple does not provide them by syousef · · Score: 1

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

      Nah, just grumpy. He just needs to get laid.

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    30. Re:But Apple does not provide them by RichiH · · Score: 1

      "gay-friendly" implies more sexual freedom than gay-hating. This, in turn, implies being more liberal towards porn.

      Correlation is not causation and all that, but I see at least the correlation, here.

    31. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or "empowers women", depending on which side of the transaction you are on...

    32. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      He can keep porn off the iphone about as well as I can keep spam out of email. So, if you wish to call him a liar or a hopeful idealist, take your pick.

      I didn't call him a liar, you did,

      Jobs is reported as saying "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone"

      You said "He knows that you can get porn on the iphone".

      So you claim either:

      1. he's lying in his claim to believe he has a moral responsibility.

      or

      2, he's not lying, he thinks he has a moral responsibility for doing something he knows he can't do while commercialising the iphone, so he's going to stop commercialising the iphone.

      or

      3. he thinks he has a "moral responsibility" but he's not going to do anything about it. (This is the same as 1. If he really thought he had a "moral responsibility" he'd do something about it, otherwise he's just bullshitting).

      or

      4. he has a plan...

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    33. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it has a wholesome image, so more people will be comfortable buying it than a "porn phone". Even if they secretly look at porn on the iphone - and know they can, consumers don't want the stigma of having a porn phone.

      Yes, because as advertisers all over the world know, sex doesn't sell?

      They buy them for basic features that all phones have now, and as a status symbol. It is the same thing with a Ferrari. No one NEEDS a Ferrari to get around in - but lots of people want them. It is the same with the iphone. Steve has crafted a mythos around the iphone, and he wants to keep it "Ferrari" like.

      True, Ferraris have an extraordinarily wholesome image. That's why Google image search gives half a million results for the words 'Ferrari babe' - it's an indicator of the family-friendly nature of the brand. Why, they're so family-friendly they even offer the 612 Scaglietti, a revolutionary car that, wait for it, has more than two seats in it. They don't sell too well, mind you. Perhaps because 'kids' and 'penis extension' are not a natural fit, or perhaps because people with $300k to drop on a car have other people to handle shuttling little Alicia to ballet class...

      It would probably be truer to say that Ferrari have done to family life what Steve Jobs has done to porn - attempted to ensure that it comes nowhere near its products. Maybe this is a cultural thing, but I'm really having difficulty with the idea that anybody would find it easy to regard a device that is sanitised of anything above PG-13 as a 'status symbol'. Surely the opposite is more usually the case?

      A friend of mine works in marketing with a law group; apparently the average evening out ends up in a strip club or, as they say, a gentleman's club. One of the criteria for success for a certain mindset would appear to be the ability to exercise the power of one's position, which includes the ability to step outside social norms. What is the point of power or influence if it is subject to the same rules as hoi polloi? To sell a luxury gadget with Disney-level content control is virtually emasculation.

    34. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically douchebags everywhere?

    35. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.

      But not necessarily from laptops and desktops.

    36. Re:But Apple does not provide them by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      Nope. Google's Market does not allow porn. Steve is just being an asshole because

      ... because Google has the same policy. No, wait.

      Except its policy is in a different context, namely, we won't sell you porn, but feel free to go and buy apps that do that elsewhere.

      In contrast to Apple's policy, which is we won't sell you porn, and we control what you are allowd to do with your device, which does not and never will include buying apps from anyone except us.

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    37. Re:But Apple does not provide them by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Spot on.

    38. Re:But Apple does not provide them by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Don't go giving them any ideas, now.

    39. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah, yeah I forgot that Apple didn't put a browser on the iPhone, and that they will send their black helicopters if you jailbreak it.

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    40. Re:But Apple does not provide them by vivaelamor · · Score: 1

      Anti-porn is one of the few things that ultra-liberals ("objectifies women") and ultra-conservatives ("makes Jesus cry") can agree on.

      The only liberal thing about being anti-porn is that you are allowed to hold that view.

    41. Re:But Apple does not provide them by man1sh · · Score: 1

      Cant believe that someone whom millions of people worship is such a jerk. People are pretty much happy when announces a new gadget, but when it does something like this all those supports turn silent.

      Porn isn't bad. You have no right to decided that porn is good or bad for me. It's the people who decide. Is Jobs impotent or what that he finds sex and porn not fit?

    42. Re:But Apple does not provide them by man1sh · · Score: 1

      Moral responsibility? You fuckin kidding me? Moral Cops? Taliban are also moral cops who makes sure that women are kept behind veils so that the country looks porn-free. Then Afganistan can promote tourism since there is no porn and people would bring their kids too due to this precise reason.

      No wonder why nude beaches all over the world are also visited by kids.

    43. Re:But Apple does not provide them by TheRealSync · · Score: 1

      Correlation is not causation and all that

      Exactly.

      , but I see at least the correlation, here.

      Maybe you do. I think you are stretching it a bit too far.

      However, one of the points made were, that children have access to the App Store, and that Apple does not want to give them access to porn.

      Don't get me wrong here, I don't support Apple in this case - I think they are totaly nuts.

      But I do not agree with the statement, that if you are a gay-friendly company it has to mean, that you are more in favor of pornography.
      It could (and should) just mean, that you support everybody's right to their personal sexuality.

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    44. Re:But Apple does not provide them by RichiH · · Score: 1

      However, one of the points made were, that children have access to the App Store, and that Apple does not want to give them access to porn.

      Other media companies seem to be happy with age restrictions built into their platforms.

      But I do not agree with the statement, that if you are a gay-friendly company it has to mean, that you are more in favor of pornography. It could (and should) just mean, that you support everybody's right to their personal sexuality.

      It does not _have_ to mean that, correct.
      Still, taking a random test in two groups, which is more likely to be OK with porn? The gay-friendly or gay-hating one? Even when watered down to gay-friendly vs simply all people, I think you would see a clear trend thanks to the pre-selection of the group on a somewhat related topic.

    45. Re:But Apple does not provide them by TheRealSync · · Score: 1

      Still, taking a random test in two groups, which is more likely to be OK with porn? The gay-friendly or gay-hating one? Even when watered down to gay-friendly vs simply all people, I think you would see a clear trend thanks to the pre-selection of the group on a somewhat related topic.

      So you are saying, that if you are "gay-indifferent" (whatever that may be), you are not as much in favor of free access to pornography as if you are "gay-friendly"?

      I don't think I agree.

      Now, I don't know where you are from, but living in Denmark, I find the term "gay-friendly" rather... strange. Isn't everybody gay-friendly? I mean, except for the very few homophobes out there
      .
      At least, I have been brought up to consider homosexuality just another sexuality - and I don't make the link to pornography at all. It find it really weird that you do.

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    46. Re:But Apple does not provide them by RichiH · · Score: 1

      Isn't everybody gay-friendly? I mean, except for the very few homophobes out there

      Now it makes sense, I guess.

      By gay-friendly, I mean people who _literally_ have no problem with gay people. In my experience, most people who say they don't have any problem with gays actually _do_ have some reservations.

      At least, I have been brought up to consider homosexuality just another sexuality

      You and I both. Neither of us seems to have any problem with the existence of porn. Coincidence? ;)

      If you look at institutionalized Christians, Hindi or Muslims, all are generally against porn and gays. Same for countries like USA, most middle-eastern countries and India.
      Contrast Germany where you can have same-sex marriages in most states and porn is not nearly as censored as in the countries above. You will find adult magazines in a normal super market, if on the top shelves. In the many modern stores, "top shelf" means "reachable by young children".

      Dunno, but I see correlation, here.

    47. Re:But Apple does not provide them by boynas · · Score: 1

      The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.

      What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?

      I think that by "gay-friendly" anyone could understand "Progressive thinking". IT IS wierd to be progressive and be scared at porn.

    48. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being gay is just as much, if not more so, a social taboo than pornography. I think the original comment could have been worded better, but being gay and admitting to using or supporting pornography both run parallel in many ways. This doesn't necessarily mean the two are intrinsically related, however.

      Imagine a politician admitting to either of them and I think you'll agree.

      Perhaps 'taboo' is strong language, but I believe it conveys my thoughts well enough.

    49. Re:But Apple does not provide them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.

      What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?

      The Turtleneck.

  34. Walmart by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1, Informative

    For anyone who's about to bitch and moan about Apple closing their app store to questionable apps ("porn"), and I know that list is long, ask yourself if you have a problem with Walmart dictating what products can and cannot appear on their store shelves. If you are ok with Walmart having enormous control over what appears in their stores, to the point that content providers will make Walmart-friendly CDs (for example), then feel free to bitch about Apple doing exactly the same thing. At the very least you'll be consistent in your view that stores everywhere should carry everything just because it exists, regardless of whatever business plan they may have and customer base they may wish to appeal to. Otherwise, keep your complaints to yourself because every damn store on the planet does this. Walmart, which has probably the broadest selection of products, doesn't carry everything, just because it exists, so why should Apple? Just because someone wants to build it and just because some people want to buy it doesn't qualify something to appear in a company's store...

    Yeah. I'm grumpy. Deal with it.

    1. Re:Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but there are many other options on where to buy CDs that will work in your CD player (or MP3s in any MP3 player for that matter) without having to hack my CD player (or MP3 player). You can't buy iPhone apps anywhere else and have them work on your iPhone without hacking it so it's jail-broke.

    2. Re:Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better analogy would be if Walmart sold cars that could only go to walmart (app store) or any drive-through (web browsing) but prevented you from going to other grocery stores. And then limited their selections in arbitrary ways.

      Of course, when you look at it in that light, it _still_ doesn't look like we should really hate Apple for limiting selection -- the root issue is the locked-down car, and anyone dumb enough to buy one. But if, for whatever reason, you do buy one under the impression that Walmart has everything you need anyway, it's quite understandable you'd be a little pissed when you realize they put some arbitrary restrictions on what they'll sell.

    3. Re:Walmart by e2d2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a moot point anyway. Because the iPhone _does_ allow porn. Playboy is porn right? Safari can view porn right? So he's basically full of shit claiming some moral high ground. It's a joke and that's what we're laughing at. So I'll get off your lawn, if you come and join the fun.

    4. Re:Walmart by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      You mean you can't use web apps through Safari without the necessity of jailbreaking your phone in the way Apple first wanted developers to make apps? When did this change?...

      Why am I even responding to an AC?...

    5. Re:Walmart by jd142 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hooray! I can bitch and moan then. Censorship is one of the many reasons I don't go to wal-mart. They won't sell Cosmo but they will sell you a gun. They censor their music. They break unions. They treat their employees like crap.

      Thanks for the invitation to complain. I didn't know you could do that on the internet.

    6. Re:Walmart by jjoelc · · Score: 1

      I was going to be try and be a bit more tactful in my response (...Then WTF am I doing on Slashdot!?...) But was going to say basically the same thing.

      Despite the preachy marketing-speak... This really isn't news. Steve doesn't want to sell porn in the App Store, he's not under any obligation to. As many many other posters have already pointed out, there are many other options for getting porn on your iPhone. I don't expect to walk into the local Albertson's or other grocery store and buy a copy of "Anal Invaders 14: Wsidom of the Turtle". If I want to buy porn, I go to the porn shop right next door. (And I live in Las Vegas, where I can expect to walk into that same grocery store, buy a Gallon bottle of burbon and sit at a slot machine... That's also the reason the porn shop is right next door...)

      In other words.. If this was anyone but Steve Jobs, talking about any other platform but the iPhone... Nobody would care... Google THAT

    7. Re:Walmart by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Well, nobody is trying to tell me that Walmart is the BMW of retail stores, that it is a life-altering event shopping there, or that Walmart's huge price markups are worth the insanely great customer service and attention to detail.

      Tell you what - next time there's a Slashdot article singing the glowing praises of Walmart, I'll be sure to chime in.

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    8. Re:Walmart by tibman · · Score: 1

      I get what you're saying but this is different. Once you buy a phone you are somewhat committed to using only that. Unless you can drop it off and pickup a different phone in the time it takes to drive to another store.

      When you go shopping.. you can stop by walmart, then the adult toys store, then your fav book store on the way home. You aren't committed to only purchase from one store. Walmart controls what they sell to you and not what you can buy.. you can get to other stores. The iphone is like buying a car that will ONLY take you to walmart and you can't stop by the train hobby store on the way.

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    9. Re:Walmart by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      And more to the point, Walmart is not deigning to tell me what discs I can play on the CD player I bought from them.

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    10. Re:Walmart by rocket97 · · Score: 1

      So if you buy a TV/DVD player/MP3 Player etc from Walmart you should have to purchase all your media from Walmart as well?

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    11. Re:Walmart by gitoffmylawn! · · Score: 1

      I would agree with you on every point, in regards to Walmart. You can't bitch about a store's decision to sell or not sell products; if you don't like them, don't shop there. No one says you have to shop at Walmart.....just like no one says you have to have an iPhone. If you don't like how the iPhone is being policed, er, managed, then don't buy it to begin with. I'm so tired of all the discussion on that device. Get something more open like an Android and move on.

    12. Re:Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So long as there are people trying to tell my why Apple products are great, I have every right to tell them why they are not great. Like I said, when there are daily articles praising Walmart here on Slashdot, you'll probably see me complaining about them too. But you can't expect discussion about Apple to be a one-way street.

    13. Re:Walmart by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do not like to be told what I can buy and what not. And I do not shop as Walmart as I do not shop as Aldi or any other discounter which treats their personnel badly. But there is a big difference between Walmart and Apple. Walmart is a store, and I can go to any other store I want when the products from Walmart are not satisfactory. But when I have an iPhone, I can only go to Apple to buy apps. And with iTunes I can only shop at iTunes-Music-Store. This is like Ford having a discounter and you can only drive to the Ford-discounter with your new vehicle, but not to Walmart or any street market.

    14. Re:Walmart by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      They won't sell Cosmo but they will sell you a gun

      A very good reason why I *do* shop at Wal-Mart.

      Go figure.

    15. Re:Walmart by roju · · Score: 1

      Two problems: your analogy is flawed and your dismissal of Walmart concerns is missing context.

      First, to address the bad analogy. What Apple is doing is not akin to simply not stocking a product. Because of the DRM on the iPhone, they're also preventing you from buying product at another store. To be doing the same thing, Walmart would have to not carry the product, and also forbid you from shopping at stores that did carry it. It's like Walmart sent goons to stand outside other stores and prevent you from entering.

      Second, and bad analogy aside, it's possible to be concerned about Walmart without having to be mad at every other store for picking which products to stock. The problem with Walmart is that it's so huge that it exerts powerful effects on its supply chain, so much so that it can sometimes dictate which products even make it to market, and in what form. It can do this in a way that other retailers simply cannot. Do you really want one company dictating what products are available in an entire market?

    16. Re:Walmart by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "ask yourself if you have a problem with Walmart dictating what products can and cannot appear on their store shelves."

      If wallmart sells cart to there store, and then latter tells you what you can and can't buy, then yeah I have a problem with that.

      It doesn't matter because there not really comparable things. If wal-mart doesn't have what I want I can ordered from an inline source. Now ask yourself this:
      If wal-mart sold bandwidth, would you be happy if that dictated what you could view and download? what if dell dictated which apps you can install on a dell computer you bought?

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    17. Re:Walmart by roju · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But Steve also physically forbids you from buying apps in other stores. This situation is only comparable to being able to walk to the porn store next door if in that scenario Steve has a hired thug standing outside it preventing you from shopping there.

    18. Re:Walmart by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      Because of the DRM on the iPhone, they're also preventing you from buying product at another store.

      So, if I want to run an iPhone app on a Droid, it'll work? What about World of Warcraft? I bought the game and I'd love to play it on a Droid and I hear Droids are open to apps from anyone, right?

      Oh. I see. The apps haven't been made to run on the Droid. They could have been because nobody is stopping the developers from writing for whatever platform they want to write for but the developers decided that other platforms were more profitable. I see.

      Do you really want one company dictating what products are available in an entire market?

      The point I was making, which probably got cluttered because I used a specific example, is that _ALL_ retailers, to one degree or another, dictate what products are available to their market. Apple isn't preventing apps from being made - they are preventing apps from being sold through iTunes. Want to make an app that Apple doesn't approve? Go for it. Release it for Android. Release it as a web app. Release it for Mac. Release it for PC. Release it however and wherever you want, _except_ through iTunes. Just as Walmart isn't sending "goons to stand outside other stores and prevent you from entering", nor is Apple employing goons to ensure apps aren't made. They are just deciding which apps they want to sell. Like I said, there are numerous ways to release an app, including for the iPhone, which does not require Apple's approval (just ask Google - Google Voice).

    19. Re:Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? buy one of the many android phones. or a crackberry. nobody said you had to lock yourself into the cult of iSteve forever. iTunes? I have an ancient iPod and never used it once, there are other programs to put stuff on and off and buy music. The sooner people stop and think 'why have I locked myself into iSteve' then the sooner they will find a way out. Until Apple buys Scientology.

    20. Re:Walmart by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      That's fine, except no one says you HAVE to buy an iPhone, either. If you have one, then yes, you're restricted.

    21. Re:Walmart by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Oh. I see. The apps haven't been made to run on the Droid. They could have been because nobody is stopping the developers from writing for whatever platform they want to write for but the developers decided that other platforms were more profitable. I see.

      This is a completely irrelevant point. Somebody *choosing* to develop on a platform for profit is entirely different to the owner of that platform restricting what can be developed and how it can be sold.

      You also fail to mention that the iPhone OS platform (having started on the Touch) is a more established platform than is Android - apps will get developed on Android based on what popularity it attains in the future, at the moment it's still a very new platform.

      Apple isn't preventing apps from being made - they are preventing apps from being sold through iTunes.

      Erm, excuse me??? Isn't the *ONLY* way to download an app onto a (non-jailbroken) iPhone via the App Store??? Or am I missing something?

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    22. Re:Walmart by whisper_jeff · · Score: 2, Informative

      Erm, excuse me??? Isn't the *ONLY* way to download an app onto a (non-jailbroken) iPhone via the App Store??? Or am I missing something?

      Yes. You are missing something. Web apps. I'll give you two excellent examples. Google Voice (m.google.com/voice) and Bejeweled (http://www.popcap.com/games/iphone/bejeweled). So, if you want to develop an app for the iPhone, you do not need to go through Apple - you can publish as a web app.

  35. pocketpoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pocketpoon rocks on the iPhone

  36. Can we save some time... by alexandre · · Score: 1

    ... and have apple go back to the niche market it deserves with it's close-minded dysfunctional ideas ?

    The rest of us will be able to move forward faster without them in the way!
    And those religious people needing to be told what to see or think can go back to their savior company...

  37. Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to blow. by jbeach · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have an iPhone and a MacBook. But Jobs is increasingly pissing me off.

    I gotta jailbreak my phone that I bought just so a) I can put the music on it that I want, b) it can't be turned off remotely or apps uninstalled without my say-so, c) it can have a video camera without a $$ upgrade - that's all bad enough. But I knew that going in.

    But the way Jobs is going about deciding what CONTENT I get to have? WTF is that?

    Sign me up for an Android when my contract with AT&T is done. That is, if I don't just switch the iPhone to Verizon anyway - another attempt to control my choices that Jobs can blow me for.

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  38. Why does your kid have an iPhone? by Mekkah · · Score: 1

    And if they do, they plug it into a computer to get your software updates, where they browse the pr0n anyway.

    Oh and Steve, let me change the goddamn background skin.

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    1. Re:Why does your kid have an iPhone? by robus · · Score: 1

      I guess you've not heard of the iPod Touch? And Apple is just practicing the Serenity Prayer:

      "God, grant me the serenity
      To accept the things I cannot change;
      The courage to change the things that I can;
      And the wisdom to know the difference."

      App Store - something it can change. The Web - something it can't. It knows the difference.

      Robert.

  39. Holy LOL incredulous hypocrisy batman by get+quad · · Score: 1

    sung to the tune of Sponge Bob Square Pants: Who lives in a glass house and has the name Steve? Unpleasant, ironic and Nazi is he? If stifling of choice is something you wish, Then act like a dick and sue like a bitch! Steve says Droid does Steve says Droid does Steve says Droid does Steve sayyyyys Droid doooooes! (porn)

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  40. Store by crumbz · · Score: 1

    No, no, no. Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn. You are free to find it yourself and view it via Safari or install via iTunes. Please don't confuse the issue.

    1. Re:Store by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn.

      Unless the porn comes from a reputable company like Playboy. As a parent, knowing that my child is getting his porn from reputable companies takes a lot off my mind.

    2. Re:Store by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn.

      Or apps that can access porn on the internet. They rejected a ebook reader because you can download the kama sutra off of Project Gutenberg (it wasn't even illustrated!).

    3. Re:Store by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Playboy probably has records that all of the models/actors appearing in its content are of legal age and has a vested self interest that their publications abide by the law lest the company face legal and financial repercussions.

      Joe and Bob's "barely legal" porn app probably can't prove the models were on the legal side of 18. When the authorities come knocking for distributing underage porn I doubt they'd find Joe or Bob, who are now the Bill and Gary Porn Co and still cranking out apps of questionable legality.

    4. Re:Store by cecom · · Score: 1

      As a parent, I would be very worried if my child wasn't interested in porn or couldn't get any. Sometimes I forget how absurdly conservative and backwards the US is, in some respects, compared to Europe. A "hip" company in one of the progressive centers of the US apparently thinks sex and porn are "evil". This is sad.

    5. Re:Store by mweather · · Score: 1

      Playboy probably has records that all of the models/actors appearing in its content are of legal age and has a vested self interest that their publications abide by the law lest the company face legal and financial repercussions.

      I'm pretty sure all porn companies comply with 18 U.S.C. 2257. It's just as easy to ensure their pictures are legit as it is Playboy's.

    6. Re:Store by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Ya... I'm sure all those "developers" that were cranking out the copy/paste "collection" apps were very thorough in checking the credentials of everyone in the pictures they appropriated.

    7. Re:Store by mweather · · Score: 1

      If they weren't they were breaking the law. Surely there is a provision in the developer agreement that says apps can't be illegal.

  41. Then jailbreak it. by wiredog · · Score: 0

    Just don't bitch when it gets all unstable.

    1. Re:Then jailbreak it. by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Don't reward their behaviour if you disagree with it on principle. Just don't buy one. It's also helpful to tell people why you won't buy one when you have the opportunity.

    2. Re:Then jailbreak it. by saider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's also helpful to tell people why you won't buy one when you have the opportunity.

      You: "Ya know mom, I wouldn't get the iPhone. They prevent you from doing things you want to do with your hardware."

      Mom: "Like what?"

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  42. steve jobs = major prude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, this is a winning argument?

  43. Jobs update! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Jobs, this only applies if you're interested in straight porn.......if you're into hardcore gay porn the Iphone remains the choice of the discerning connoisseur.

  44. Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every quarter for the past year Android has been doubling its marketshare.

    Back in January Android phones were selling at a rate of some 22 million phones worldwide a year. That number has to be much larger by now that another quarter has passed. Would not be surprised if Android was up in the 40 million a year or so range by now.

    With Apple's cellphone marketshare flat lining and starting to decline it shouldn't be any shock that Jobs is apoplectically shitting his panties over the massive success of Android.

     

    1. Re:Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Every quarter for the past year Android has been doubling its marketshare.

      Hell, in no time there will be trillions of Android phones in the US alone!

      With Apple's cellphone marketshare flat lining and starting to decline

      iPhone sales are up, not down. Android is Apple's biggest competitor looking forward, but iPhone is still king in terms of usage, revenue, profit, etc.

    2. Re:Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      1000% of 100
      vs
      1% of 1,000,000,000

      Scale matters. Either way, I'm rooting against Apple.

      Disclaimer: I'm currently a WinMo user and my next phone will be either Android or Windows Phone 7. Luckily, I have some time before I have to decide which (stupid contracts)....and hopefully the choice will be much clearer then.

    3. Re:Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      Apple isn't flat lining no matter how much the Droid fans might hope so. They had another record quater with almost 9 million iPhones sold in the latest March quarter. It was their best non-holiday on record.

      Although I'm sure there are folks who will bail on iPhone if they find it too constricting, there is obviously no shortage of folks who don't need porn on their phones, and are just fine with that. I love porn, but I don't 'rub one out' while waiting on a doctors appointment. I browse the web, read e-mail, maybe play a game or two, but moans coming from my phone while out out in the public eye just isn't a huge draw for me.

    4. Re:Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Every quarter for the past year Android has been doubling its marketshare.

      So they should have over 100% share in a few years.

      With Apple's cellphone marketshare flat lining and starting to decline

      Didn't read the news, ehh? http://www.gamezebo.com/news/2010/04/21/apple-has-%E2%80%9Cbest-non-holiday-quarter-ever%E2%80%9D-thanks-iphone-sales

      8.75 million iPhones were sold during Q1 2010, which is up more than 131% from the same quarter in the previous year.

      Hardly sounds "flat", no, it actually sounds like more than double.

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    5. Re:Android Sales Already Doubling Every Quarter by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      what do you expect when htc starts making hundreds of new phone models running android? seriously i have lost track, and i try to follow android devices.

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  45. Can Steve Jobs take on the porn industry? by I_have_a_life · · Score: 1

    Historically those who have tried failed. Perhaps because those who try to control free speech are doomed to fail? More likely because no amount of Apple technology can dominate the male biological imperative. This is either a big mistake on their part or they'll be eating their words soon.

  46. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by billybacs · · Score: 0

    Just as an FYI, you won't be able to bring your iPhone to Verizon because each network operates on a completely different frequency. If/when iPhone goes to VZW, it'll have a different antenna than the ATT one.

  47. In other news.... by sanermind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sony Betamax recommends VHS if you're a fan of porn.

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  48. I won't buy one by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Because I want a phone that is really good at making phone calls. Like my Motorola V3, on Verizon, which gets signal in places where iPhones (and Droids) don't.

  49. Avenue Q by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

    Everyone sing!

    The Android phone is for porn!
    The Android phone is for porn!
    Why you thing Android was born?
    Porn, porn, porn!

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  50. Steve Jobs is obviously by miracle69 · · Score: 1

    a right winged pigeon from outer space.

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  51. Wrong thinking by wonkavader · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's not going to get techies this way.

    But he's not going to lose the iPhone-is-neato customers, and he's not going to lose the if Apple made a toilet I'd buy it crowd. Those groups either don't care that they're restricted, don't know they're restricted, or actually want to be restricted.

    He's saying this for consumption by the media. It's a nice buzz-bit. "Android is for porn." The media will repeat it because it's pithy and uses a titillating word. And the folks who have no clue about restrictions will repeat this to themselves when they go to buy a phone. Wives will insist that husbands buy iPhones for themselves and for the kids.

    This is not Jobs being stupid. This is both genius and an indication that Jobs is very, very afraid. His control-everything system depends on him being the master of really the only very good phone/tablet system. There's another system and pretty soon it'll be good enough to make his look less revolutionary. He needs another way to keep his silo full.

    1. Re:Wrong thinking by geekoid · · Score: 1

      He already got the techie. He sued them quite nicely to transition from early adopters to getting sales from regular consumers.

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  52. DIDN'T KNOW STEVE JOBS OWNS AN ANDROID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now all know, Steve is a wanker too. Poll: left, or right, handed?

    I say left!

  53. wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who the fuck watches porn on their phone? it seems like jerking off while holding an iphone in your other hand could get kind of uncomfortable.

  54. Doesn't the porn industry decide the future? by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I couldn't resist. Remember when people were saying that the hi-def fight would be decided by the porn industry? Yup, HD-DVD sure kicked ass and took names. Right up until an Evil Corporation decided to knock it on the ground and take its lunch money.

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    1. Re:Doesn't the porn industry decide the future? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      While it is a myth that the porn industry drives tech, you're kind of splitting marketing hairs.

      HD - DVD is High Definition DVD.
      Blu - Ray is ALSO High definition DVD. It just used a different technology in the laser.

      This is why I hate company market. Any time you name a technology after a format, it becomes misleading.

      Personally, I think HD-DVD lost because they used red on there boxes. People will generally choose blue of red. HD-DVD should have gone with green boxes.

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    2. Re:Doesn't the porn industry decide the future? by novakom · · Score: 1

      You're right, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is the first time the adult industry didn't decide the next technology format. Of course, they adapted, you can still buy porn on Blu-Ray. The more interesting thing that the adult industry IS deciding is the NEXT format, which is less a format and more a content delivery device, i.e. internet streaming vs. physical device. The reason why the industry is in such financial crisis right now is the plurality of free streaming content. Even if they manage to control that outlet, the majority of their audience will probably never buy physical content again; the market has spoken on how the public likes to have video delivered. This is reflected in sites like Hulu and the various streaming services individual networks make available. DVD/Blu-Ray/etc sales will continue to fall, and eventually the entertainment industry as a whole finds a way to make video on demand as easy to use as the tv (cable services VOD aren't bad but aren't great).

      Short version-porn industry has spoken, and streaming video is the next big thing; the first company to do it right will win.

  55. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by e4g4 · · Score: 1

    That is, if I don't just switch the iPhone to Verizon anyway

    Good luck with that, buddy. You going to swap the GSM chip out for a CDMA one yourself, or pay someone to do it?

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  56. No FLASHing please by sjonke · · Score: 1

    They always say that pornography is the first to jump into next technology, paving the way. This is interesting, because there are plenty of porn sites out that there work just fine on the iPhone... without Flash.

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  57. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by DeBaas · · Score: 4, Funny

    He is really being a dick there. There's a "porn store" for the iPhone as well, called "Mobile Safari". If anything, the prices are lower.

    He's got balls though, if he think he can be a bigger dick than those in the porn business

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  58. Welll by Monoman · · Score: 1

    I guess that means no Leisure Suit Larry for the iPhone. Right now someone is porting LL to Android.

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  59. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

    That is, if I don't just switch the iPhone to Verizon anyway

    Nope, Verizon's network is CDMA, iPhone is GSM.....

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  60. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

    You're just figuring out right now what a dickhead Steve Jobs is? Good for you! Sell that shit and get stuff that doesn't require you to drink the kool aid.

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  61. You want to create a device that people by geekoid · · Score: 1

    can't load porn onto?
    Good luck with that. I was going to say they have one, and it's called ' a rock'. Even then I could draw porn on it..or have someone with better skills draw porn on it.

    I wonder if he plans to move his morality into other devices they sell?

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  62. Steve Jobs is an asshole by fwingo · · Score: 1

    I look forward to watching the iPhone achieve the same irrelevance as the Macintosh.

  63. He really stepped it up this time. by jwietelmann · · Score: 4, Funny
    This rhetoric is really kicking it up a notch. We're getting into really cynical propaganda territory here.

    Buy our iPhone! Unless you're one of those porn-addicted Android users. I certainly welcome competition, and our competitors are doing a great job of fulfilling that niche market of phones for porn addicts. So if you're proud of being addicted to porn, show everyone just how much you mean it by purchasing my competitor's fine Android product and taking it with you everywhere. Android: There's no better way to tell the world "I'd rather be watching porn!"

    1. Re:He really stepped it up this time. by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android is scaring the crap out of him If I was running Apple, it would terrify me. Of course, with hundreds of millions of dollars in my bank account, I could probably still sleep at night.

    2. Re:He really stepped it up this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, with hundreds of millions of dollars in my bank account, I could probably still sleep at night.

      I know if that would help if I had $1.3 billion (5.5 million @ $250) in Apple stock.

    3. Re:He really stepped it up this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like my stance on video games, if your against them I'm against you.
      No thank you to Apple products.

    4. Re:He really stepped it up this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Bang* (a shot rang out)
      Seems this is a case of political suicide from where I'm standing, its so sad and foolish.

  64. Not that simple. by geekoid · · Score: 1

    And they won't let you buy apps from any other source.
    Using a monopoly to enforce a morality. So it's finally happen, Apple is now officially a religion.

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    1. Re:Not that simple. by crumbz · · Score: 1

      Your definition of "monopoly" is incorrect. Apple does not hold a monopoly in either computers or smartphones. Or any other electronic device for that matter.

    2. Re:Not that simple. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      I notice that you didn't argue his "religion" point though...

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  65. Steve Jobs owns an Android???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should have told that before. No iPhone for me, I guess.

  66. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by tibman · · Score: 1

    You can get the Nexus One for AT&T now. yay!

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  67. The Internet has taught us the power of two things by gimmebeer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Video games and porn. Steve has undermined half of the reason the internet exists. Not a good move there buddy.

  68. In response by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    In response, Google announces full support for Flash 10.1 in a new release of Android OS, "for better RedTube experience".

  69. What I don't understand is... by Bazman · · Score: 1

    You can buy a laptop from Apple and run anything you like on it. And get the pr0n. Why so different Steve?

    Or how long before Apple laptops are locked and need to be jailbroked to run stuff?

    1. Re:What I don't understand is... by C_Kode · · Score: 1

      OSXI ;)

  70. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The porn guys are pikers: They pay to screw their employees. My customers pay me to screw them."

    Yours in manifest serenity, S. Jobs

  71. Great name by mathletics · · Score: 1

    "Mobile Safari" actually sounds like a great name for a mobile porn site.

  72. Sexual healing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes you think we can fuck just because I let you put your tongue in my mouth and you twisting my tities

  73. Wow by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just when you thought the apple marketing machine couldn't get any more sanctimonious, Jobs goes and says something like this.

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    1. Re:Wow by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Answering a private email now counts as marketing?

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    2. Re:Wow by doodlebumm · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting statement coming from a guy that was quite heavily into psychedelic drugs (and who knows what else) at one point in his adult, corporate life. I'm not saying he's not right about not wanting to sell porn, but definitely sanctimonious, especially if he hasn't claimed to have cleaned up his act (I-found-Jesus sort of statement).

    3. Re:Wow by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      There was also a Q&A session at a conference where he said the same thing (from TFA). And an email does count as marketing when it's sent from the CEO of a company to a customer.

  74. History repeats itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does not the Jobs know the lesson of BetaMax?
    Of the things that killed BetaMax between keeping a closed standard and not allowing pron to use the format, the betting man would be safer with the later and not the former.

  75. Kudos to Steve by EEGeek · · Score: 1

    Kudos to Steve. We don't need people jerking off in public dammit. Go home and jerk off at your computer for a change.

  76. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For using the word "porny"

  77. Moral Responsibility by ArtDent · · Score: 1

    "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."

    Wow, that's quite a responsiblity. Presumably they'll be removing the browser from the next iPhone, since that's currently a pretty easy way to get porn on the iPhone.

    I wonder if he's ever going to go after Grindr? My bet is no way. Apple does not want to lose the gays.

  78. Apple should .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs is going to bring apple down the way he is talk about Google, and adobe.

  79. New Android Marketing Slogan -- by dwiget001 · · Score: 1

    -- Free, as in freedom *and* free as in porn!

    Well, O.K., it needs work.

  80. Sooo.... by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

    If you want to choice, buy an Android phone?

    Honestly, I know Steve meant for this to be a burn, but it's not a very smart statement. :\

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  81. What really grinds my gears by killmenow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the extreme hypocrisy of allowing SI swimsuit and Playboy apps but saying "We don't allow porn."

    Look, it is my well educated opinion that Playboy, soft-core BS, swimsuit calendars/photoshoots, and basically the societal desire to objectify women through "moral" sexualizations causes MORE harm than XXX hard core pornography does. Why? Because it's insidious and sends terrible messages to people and messes with their psyches. It's OK to objectify and look at women sexually as long AS LONG AS THERE'S NO SEX INVOLVED?! But, wait, isn't that the point? Oh, no, it's better to get guys hot and bothered with teases and pics of scantily clad women everywhere and then tell them "SEX IS BAD!!!" than it is to show them videos of ACTUAL SEX and saying, "Meh, it's just sex." REALLY?? This is the moral stance??? It's OK to have Janet Jackson sing about sexual topics, dress sluttily and grind her body against a man in a mock sexual ritual but "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! 0.5 SECONDS OF TIT JUST FLASHED ACROSS MY TV SCREEN!!!" That messes with people's heads and gives them warped ideas about sexuality and women.

    So Steve Jobs can keep his "moral" porn and I'll hang on to the stuff that doesn't pander to me and send me mixed messages about what's right and wrong, what's ok and what's dirty, and enjoy the wisdom of knowing IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX without pretending "sex but not sex" is somehow better than just sex without all the BS.

  82. Its all about money by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies

    Ahh so kids seeing "reputable" porn is OK then ehh Steve? ... Obviously this actually has nothing to do with porn and all to do with licencing revenue.

  83. There's only one thing worse... by Qwavel · · Score: 1

    What's worse then someone telling me what I can and can't watch or read? Someone lying about why they are doing it - pretending that they are doing it for some sort of morality or public good when it has become obvious that they aren't.

    Then again, I guess explanations used for censorship are usually dishonest so I shouldn't be surprised.

    People have already pointed out that the iPhone is, in fact, not a porn-free zone. It is, though, becoming a competition free zone as Apple blocks apps that might compete with their own or those of their corporate buddies.

  84. Something from Apple you can really own by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    I truly own my AAPL shares! They opened 6% over yesterday's close. I thought I was hallucinating this morning.

    Apple released a quarterly earnings report showing that they sold 8.75 million of those horrible phones when 7 million had been projected.

  85. That's a place we don't want to go.. by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    ..but sweatshop labor, berating employees to the point that they kill themselves, locking you into our products, we'll go there no problem.

  86. Apple the betamax supplier of the mobile wars by RichMan · · Score: 1

    We all know where betamax ended up in the video tape wars.

    1. Re:Apple the betamax supplier of the mobile wars by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      I would say Apple is the Macintosh supplier of the mobile wars. (you would think they would learn the lesson once about being controlling)

  87. Ah so I buy an Android Phone the next time by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    And its not because of porn. The iPhone has still a browser. So you could still surf to pron sites if you want. It is the attitude which drives me to free phones. Steve does not want Java on the phone and Steve does not like flash on the iPhone (ok flash sucks, but it should be my decission), Steve does not like cartoons on the iPhone, because some could be offended by them, and Steve does not want other app-stores for the iPhone. Steve's phone has iTunes build in, but you cannot easily interface that thing with other music stores. In short the iPhone is dongle ware. I will never buy dongle ware again.

  88. Spin by selquest · · Score: 1

    So the Android phone is a direct substitute for the iPhone, and also has porn? Thanks for clearing that up Steve!

    Also, I don't think anyone failed to map "more reputable companies" to "companies that can pay us enough to shelve our so-called principles"...

  89. Apple is losing market-share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that you fucking piece of shit?

    Apple has been flat lining in cellphone market-share and is now losing market-share while Android is growing at an astronomical rate.

    Keep your pathetic Apple fanboy mouth shut from now on dipshit.

    Although I do hope Apple doesn't lose out to Android too quickly. It will be fun to see the AAPL price bubble take them above MSFT for a short while before bursting.

    1. Re:Apple is losing market-share by node+3 · · Score: 1

      As someone's sig here reads, "nerd rage is the funniest rage".

    2. Re:Apple is losing market-share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Apple has been flat lining in cellphone market-share and is now losing market-share while Android is growing at an astronomical rate."

      In today's news, Record iPhone Sales Raises Apple's Earnings

  90. Jobs Needs to Re-Watch Pirates by conark · · Score: 1

    Apparently, he forgot to learn all the important lessons in that movie. Again. Where's Noah Wyle when you need him?

  91. iCensorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to break it to the iFanBoys but censorship from Apple and endorsed by s/God/Jobs/ himself is still censorship and complete bullshit.

  92. Jobs is Clueless by lcreech · · Score: 1

    Porn on the iPhone is alive and well. http://www.youporn.com/

  93. Wet dreams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do androids wet dream of electric sheep?

  94. Gross Misrepresentation by xednieht · · Score: 1

    If you Google "iPhone Porn" it shows 28,200,000 results. You don't need a separate app to show it.

    If you Google "Android Porn" it shows only 2,350,000 results. The bottom line is Steve Jobs and Apple support porn more than anyone, reputable or not.

    I've noticed a trick that media companies use whenever their ratings start to dwindle they: bring up a topic having to do with sex or porn to help, like viagra for ratings. Perhaps this is an indication that iProducts have peaked?

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  95. Where? Wha? Huh? by ZenDragon · · Score: 1

    Where are these so called "porn" apps of which he speaks? I dont see anything porn related in the android store with the exception of some "privacy" browser which just deletes cookies and history and stuff. Yea the Android Market is much more open than the Apple Store, but its not exactly teaming with porn apps. Jobs is just a douche bag trying to justify his communist/socialist attitude a bunch of BS aimed at discrediting his competitors.

    No seriously... where are these porn apps??? Inquiring minds want to know! lol ;)

    1. Re:Where? Wha? Huh? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Jobs is just a douche bag trying to justify his communist/socialist attitude a bunch of BS aimed at discrediting his competitors.

      Calling Jobs a socialist is an insult to us socialists. I ask you to withdraw that immediately.

      Jobs, like most of the American ruling classes is a feudalist.

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    2. Re:Where? Wha? Huh? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Jobs, like most of the American ruling classes is a feudalist.

      At least that explains the abundance of usufruct.

  96. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joff-on-the-go? Really?

  97. In still other Steve related news by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    In still other news, a sex tape has surfaced, allegedly of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

    Jobs reportedly says at one point "Man, if this sex tape ever gets out, and those hipsters learn what we're doing with these iphones..." to which Gates replies "Whoa, you'd have to try to convince them not to look at porn or something!"

    (Note so I don't get sued: this is 100% false, obviously)

    1. Re:In still other Steve related news by tftp · · Score: 1

      (Note so I don't get sued: this is 100% false, obviously)

      You chose the wrong audience to claim that. How do you know that it is 100% false? How do you prove it without accounting for every moment in entire lives of both protagonists?

    2. Re:In still other Steve related news by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I think this is taking the joke a bit far, but I never said they -didn't- actually do it, just that a sex tape with that on it has not come up.

  98. Just use AirVideo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Air Video on iPad = win. Love the live conversion feature. No need to convert everything to mp4!

    For all you newbies to Air Video, basically you run Air Video server on a host machine, set up a directory that contains all your videos/pr0n, and then connect as a client from the iPad/iPhone/iPod. It's really convenient, and works well on a local network. You can even set it up to stream over the internet if you have a fast upstream.

  99. Current App Store Lineup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're still there.
    Top Free Apps:
    23: Sex Positions
    6: Crazy Hamster (I'm not even clicking on that!)

  100. Yes there is a morality police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that is the porn industry...

    You see Kids, if one is in the porn business they do in fact have to be the morality police, because there's this thing known as child pornography which is not only incredibly fucking immoral but it's also illegal. So the "legal" porn has to make sure it's legal by confirming that all participants are over the age of 18.

  101. Newest billboard ad by robarson · · Score: 1

    Droid does porn

  102. Fuck Apple... Seriously. They're hypocrites! by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    They censor song names in iTunes. They censor apps...

    When do they start censoring the music content? How about the movies? Will Apple start demanding edited movies like Walmart did?

    Fuck Apple and their hypocrisy. They say they're the "artist friendly" company... and yet they dictate content and censor song names?

  103. What was the Internet for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so Steve declaired that Android is the superiour mobile web device?

  104. Its really quite simple by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    Why so different Steve?

    Because Apple runs, promotes and handles the money from the App store. If you were able to buy porn from the App Store you would be buying porn from Apple.

    In a country where a glimpse of Janet Jackson's Bristols causes a massive scandal and phone-number fines for the messenger, and even moobs now seem to be unacceptable, you can see why they might want to keep the smut at arm's length.

    If you buy a Mac (or, even, access porn from the iPhone) then your smut is being provided by a third party. You're not buying it from Apple.

    When App writers protest about the T&Cs of the app store, its easy to forget that they're getting a shedload of indirect publicity from Apple. Try getting your better mousetrap on the shelves at Walmart...

    (I'd concede that the "originally written in C/C++/ObjC" curb is bonkers, though).

    OTOH, Apple may do a u-turn and release the iWank at the next press conference...

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  105. That's not moral by hellfire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't believe any sane person believes that maximizing shareholder profits at the expense of consumer freedom and choice is a moral thing. And no, Wall Street is not sane.

    Apple has a financial responsibility to it's shareholders, not a moral one. If the law allowed companies to put babies on spikes and make an obscene amount of profit from doing so, any company would do it. The amount of profit companies make these days is obscene. Naked people doing acts based on natural bodily functions to give each other pleasure is not obscene.

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    1. Re:That's not moral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the law allowed companies to put babies on spikes and make an obscene amount of profit from doing so, any company would do it.

      Sociopath much?

  106. How do I mod Steve Jobs down? by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

    Sorry Steve, -1 Flamebait.

  107. Also... Where is this market? by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 1

    Also... Where is this "porn market" for android? I've been using Android phones since the G1. I can remember when there were few enough apps on the market that I was literally able to examine them all. I've never seen or even heard of anything like a porn market for Android. Steve is involved in libel here, plain and simple.

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  108. Humor... by drumcat · · Score: 1

    Tongue in cheek, folks... damn.

  109. Reputable? by jslater25 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm pretty sure that my wife would have something to say about Playboy being considered 'reputable'.

    1. Re:Reputable? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that my wife would have something to say about Playboy being considered 'reputable'.

      Sounds like you married yourself a real winner.

    2. Re:Reputable? by jslater25 · · Score: 1

      Luckily with my wife, there's no need to look at Playboy.

    3. Re:Reputable? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      lol...Playboy isn't about porn as is it is about good writing. Try actually reading the articles in it someday...I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Hell, you might even find reading an article with your wife to be an enjoyable experience.

    4. Re:Reputable? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Nice that she convinced you of that.
      While playboy has some nice looking airbrushed women in it, and yes I do look, it also has some really good articles.

      My wife bought me a subscription years ago.

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  110. Jobs redefines "responsibility" by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."

    No you don't. You have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to sell as many iPhones as possible. You are not in the morality business.

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    1. Re:Jobs redefines "responsibility" by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He obviously thinks that they can sell more phones by employing a marketing message built around morals. This post nailed it.

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    2. Re:Jobs redefines "responsibility" by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That is a common misconception of corporations. They need to live up to there mission statement. People can use that as a decision point when thinking about investing.

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    3. Re:Jobs redefines "responsibility" by RazorSharp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So your claim is that businessmen have no moral responsibility? That their fiduciary responsibility trumps whatever moral responsibilities one may have? I don't think so. We're all people regardless of where we work.

      I'm not saying that moral responsibility is relevant to pornography on the iPhone, it may or may not be; but your statement is eerily similar to the excuses made by executives who have abused monopoly power, sold faulty or poisonous products, cheated their employees, cheated the IRS, and outright lied. Being involved in a business venture doesn't exempt one from their moral responsibilities.

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  111. iCensor by Roskolnikov · · Score: 1

    People are complaining about services they accepted/knew were controlled, for some this control is a benefit, for others its something to whine about,
    I have an iPod Touch and an iPhone, Steve isn't stopping me from putting porn on my devices, its there; itunes will gladly import chix with dix and tijuana dawn key show just fine; what Steve is doing is making the end user make the choice and not having his storefront require an offensive version and a non offensive version (who chooses?).

    I am LMAO, if your a geek and you bought an iDevice and expected something else your not a very bright geek, it is a better sign of customer service to say no once in a while, Steve apparently believes this and identified someone that was not the targeted customer for his services, recognizing this and suggesting a product that does suit the needs of the person asking even when its a competitors product is newsworthy and a fair share better than what his competitors would do.

      mod me as a fanboy, mod me as a troll.

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  112. I know youre right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve is the legend...
      get away hey you fucked guys go horny android!

  113. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    So, he is a dick and an asshole? And he claims his company's phone doesn't support porn?

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  114. Embrace the porn! by jayarr · · Score: 1

    If “wanting porn” is what it takes to gain freedom of choice, then damn it, I want porn. Hence the new "Yes, Steve... I Want Porn" Android badge (http://www.esarcasm.com/13639/android-porn-badge/). Wear it loud, wear it proud.

  115. Fascism by Doomstalk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it is safe to say, without even a hint of hyperbole, that Steve Jobs is a fascist. As soon as censorship becomes a "moral responsibility", something has gone deeply wrong. Supporting Apple is supporting the death of the creativity and freedom that the company likes to pretend it nurtures. Think too different, and your work will be dragged out in the middle of the night and shot.

    1. Re:Fascism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so full of BS. Did you see what the app store was like when there were many of those smutty apps around? Hardly seemed like a creative boom to me. As from freedom, you can still access any site you want in Safari.

    2. Re:Fascism by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I think it is safe to say, without even a hint of hyperbole, that Steve Jobs is a fascist. As soon as censorship becomes a "moral responsibility", something has gone deeply wrong. Supporting Apple is supporting the death of the creativity and freedom that the company likes to pretend it nurtures. Think too different, and your work will be dragged out in the middle of the night and shot.

      Last time I checked Jobs was a CEO of a private corporation, not the dictator of the U.S. You give him way too much credit.

      You know, there are people who actually are oppressed and do get dragged out of their homes in the middle of the night and shot. Somehow comparing that situation to a single phone in a market of many not having the capability to download pornographic applications (damn, you'll have to use Safari!) just seems to be a wee bit of an exaggeration.

      What's the big deal anyway? I can't think of any application with any functionality other than to amuse teenagers that would require pornography in order to work.

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  116. This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computers running OSX are unsafe for children!

    1. Re:This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean OSXXX?

    2. Re:This just in! by sopssa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Steve Jobs thinks sex is immoral? And the fanbois follow "I think this is a good feature and opinion. We are a lot more productive if we don't engage in any fun activity such as sex. I am not having sex, so no one should be!"

      Apple devices are like the combination of forced opinions, ban on alcohol, tobacco, sex, open source and freedom, and Apple and Steve Jobs being a tyranny and a dictator. Still fanbois think it's "think different". I take back the "it's marketing and PR" - it's also propaganda how you should be living, almost like a church.

  117. Glass Houses by KharmaWidow · · Score: 1

    Actually, I think your argument is the one that is, er, unsound. Jobs said Apple wants to keep porn of the iPhone - meaning Apple does not want to endorse porn. He said nothing about the iPhone not having access to porn via channels beyond Apple. You didn't read the statement comprehensively.

    Apple simply wants to keep porn out of its media-content store. Apple's target demographic is families and education. As an Apple shareholder, I completely agree. There is no need in Apple's business model for Apple to endorse nor allow porn-centric apps.

    Which comes to another point: sites who create iPhone-friendly content are in no way a relection on Apple's content policy. Thats a fallacy of logic. Apple has nothing to do with those sites.

    As well as, those who are ridiculing Jobs' position because the web browser can access porn have no ground to criticize Apple for blocking content - because according to the critics, the content isn't blocked. To do so, contradicts their own line of reasoning - and is *unsound*.

    Apple just reported the the best non-holiday quarter ever in the middle of the worst recession, surpassing similar companies... Only a fool would criticize Apple's strategies.

  118. But its not "porn" by lupinstel · · Score: 1

    But its not "porn"....it is Brazilian Fart Erotica.

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  119. Steve Jobs Quote: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.
    We have created for the first time in all history a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests of any contradictory thoughts.
    Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth.
    We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause.
    Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion.
    We shall prevail!

  120. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well said Jobs!

    It preferable to watch porn on an Android than to allow certain applications like iFranco, that displays the "best" speeches of that Spanish fascist dictator (Francisco Franco).

    Nice :D

  121. The real news... by VTI9600 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple actually acknowledged that Android exists! I thought that was a big no-no

    1. Re:The real news... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Apple actually acknowledged that Android exists! I thought that was a big no-no

      First they ignore you.
      Then they laugh at you.
      Then they fight you. ------ we are here.
      Then you win.
      Victory for Android in 2011, according to the Gandhi scale.

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  122. P. Uritanist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Decrypting porn into enjoyment should be illegal too!

  123. erotic bakery by viridari · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I recommend avoiding the cream filled donuts.

  124. Noted Steve.... by TheMikeyJ · · Score: 1

    Thanks Steve for reinforcing my decision to go with Verizon and the Droid and not an iPhone.

  125. iPhone Porn already exists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just go to www.iPhonePornGrid.com on your Mobile Safari == Porn on ur iPhone. Problem solved. Works on none JB iPhones as well.

  126. That ties it by Osmosis_Garett · · Score: 1

    End of internal debate, I guess I"ll be going with an Android.

    Phone. Android PHONE.

  127. Apple users are to busy fucking their iphones by Latinhypercube · · Score: 0

    to need porn.

  128. In other words by Monoman · · Score: 1

    There's NOT and app for that. :-)

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    1. Re:In other words by Monoman · · Score: 1

      oops ... There's NOT an app for that!

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  129. Irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when Steve jobs was the anti big brother guy (think the famous 80's "1984" Mac ad) and Bill Gates was the evil greedy corporate guy. Now Bill Gates is one of the world's greatest philanthropists and Steve Jobs is telling us what we should and shouldn't be looking at, kind of ironic.

  130. So, the Apple's iPhone Ad.. by microbee · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Just about anything, there is an app for that" is really a lie.

  131. MOD PARENT UP! by citylivin · · Score: 1

    i came to say that exact thing. Also that "kids" should not be using cel phones in the first place. Not until they have a job and can actually pay the bill.

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  132. Apple for kiddies, Android for adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least Jobs admits his products are aimed at kids and those of limited intellect.

  133. Retards, go and find a real woman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am glad that Steve stood up to ALL of you fools. Have you not read all of the studies (many) that conclude that porn is bad, in many ways, for you! Why don't you quit jacking off and go and meet a nice girl and take her on a date and treat her like a lady should be treated. I am just shocked there are so many people in here that are SO mad about his comments. Who cares what he says. All of your morals suck, and maybe you should rethink what REALLY makes you happy in life...which would be everything except jacking off.

    1. Re:Retards, go and find a real woman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol at Christians butthurt at the profound realization that they can't control what other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms anymore thanks to the Internet

      u mad?

  134. WTF were you thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First off, you have 3 anecdotes, not 2. Secondly, what the fuck were you thinking having a kid with a bitch who would press charges against you over something like that? Thirdly, why would you accept oversight by a "mental health professional" in parenting your children?

    You have only yourself to blame for your dumbfuck problems.

    1. Re:WTF were you thinking? by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked 3 includes 2. I added one more. So, sue me.

      We divorced two and a half years ago. Since, she's gone a little (well, a lot) loco. I did not have a kid with a crazy bitch. I had a kid (two actually) with a woman who started to go nuts after the second of the two we agreed to have was born.

      Finally, I am seeking custody of both kids now that she is running afoul of truancy laws, has assaulted our daughter, and other general neglect and abuse. Unfortunately, opinions of mental health professionals carry weight and I disagree when "popular" choice is less safe than "unpopular" choice.

      As to why didn't I seek custody during te divorce? Arguing who would be the "better" parent (without the day to day "living with" influence of the other) would have been speculative, and where we divorced, if only one spouse works, they pay BOTH attorneys -- that was money that could serve our kids' needs better than those of attorneys. So, I gave her a chance. She blew it. Of coursed, "fixing things" is now much harder than had I chosen to fight for custody in the first place, but hindsight is always 20/20.

      One by one, the kids are literally running away from her and seeking shelter with me.

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  135. What always gets me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is that sex is supposed to be so bad, but violence is accepted on the iPhone. Yay for a seriously twisted mindset.

  136. Wow, a company with morals by theomegapointer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple has always done things there own way. They don't have to sit there and try to respond to "the market" wether they think the market wants porn or not. They are leaders and innovators and create their own markets. They probably realize that porn is as pernicious and vicious as cocaine in ruining peoples lives. For you that like to sit there and jerk off to your computer all day you will realize this one day. Apple is not perfect. In fact I'm pretty pissed off that I had to reinstall OS X twice in the last 6 months because my system completely seized up - but I appreciate them taking a moral stand. They are in business to make money like everyone else, but they seem to want to help elevate society, not facilitate it's decline into the gutter. Porn is destructive and has no value to humanity whatsoever. I invite anyone to seriously research the matter.

    1. Re:Wow, a company with morals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> Apple has always done things there own way
      Some people spell, um, there own way. Whatever.

  137. It's the liver... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's possessed!

  138. he bought his kids an android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duh!

  139. What? What? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who cares? Anyone with access to the internets thing can get endless free porn 24/7/365. Even on the The iPhone. It has one of those web browser things. You can stare at all the fun-sized porn your poor eyes can handle right there on the bus to your lousy temp job. Who needs an App for porn? What? Someone update Custer's Revenge for the iPhone?

    1. Re:What? What? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point:

      1. If Steve isn't allowing porn apps on the iPhone, then having a swimsuit app and a Playboy app smacks of double standards and hypocrisy

      2. How can a manufacturer of a device be allowed to now dictate what that device can and cannot be used for?

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    2. Re:What? What? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I get the point. I just don't care.

      1. Swimsuits are porn? For the Amish, maybe. Playboy? Porn for grandpa.

      2. Again, web browser your way to all manner of earthly delights.

  140. He Seems to Forget.... by Symbha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That the internet was built on porn.
    Apple has not learned their lesson from the years when they were irrelevant.

    1. Re:He Seems to Forget.... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      But the Internet was built on a PDP-11, and he's never been a real player in it.

      I've never really been impressed with Apple products. I liked my iPod mini, but I got it essentially for free; and then it fried itself because I charged it under a pile of papers one night. Still no desire to own another iWhatever. They have a minor superiority in blingness; general inferiority in featureness; and a massive inferiority in clueness.

  141. Re:Also... Where is this market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also... Where is this "porn market" for android?

    MiKandi

  142. Does anyone see a pattern here? by An+dochasac · · Score: 4, Funny

    No Pr0n:Betamax, Laserdisc, Afghanistan, iPad,
    Pr0n: VHS, DVD, Las Vegas, Google Android

    Thank's for the tip Mr. Jobs!

    1. Re:Does anyone see a pattern here? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Betamax, Laserdisc, Afghanistan

      All these have/had porn.

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    2. Re:Does anyone see a pattern here? by An+dochasac · · Score: 1

      Betamax, Laserdisc, Afghanistan All these have/had porn.

      Betamax: Too little, too late.
      Afghanistan: A particular revealing scene where you can almost see that there is a human beneath the burka?
      Laserdisc: Are you talking about frame #119058 of WF Roger Rabbit or #90467 of the Rescuers? (made ya look ;-)

  143. Good Going by dhermann · · Score: 1

    In other news, Android phone sales have increased by 4000%.

  144. Hold Pitchforks! by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

    I think it's better worded like this:

    'After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "freedom to use your property as you see fit," Steve Jobs responded,

    He continued, "I'm not sure why people phrase it as 'using their property,' when they're insisting that we put apps in the Apple iPhone App Store that we don't want there. It's almost like they don't want Apple to have the freedom to use Apple's property, servers, bandwidth, and store as we see fit. Would they go to Best Buy and insist that their home arts and crafts projects get put on Best Buy's shelves, and would they complain about Best Buy banning freedom if they didn't agree?"

    If you want porn on your iPhone, you can go to a porn website, you can rip a porn DVD, you can upload a gallery up porn photos, etc. You can even write a porn app and install it yourself, email it to friends for them to install, or put it up on your own website for purchase. The only thing Apple's saying no to is carrying a porn app in their store. Why are you insisting that a property owner - Apple - carry stuff in their store that they don't want there? Are you opposed to people's freedom to use their property as they see fit?

    1. Re:Hold Pitchforks! by jonfr · · Score: 1

      Then why does Apple insist on holding there monopoly on stores that can sell iPhone apps.

      It is a question that needs to be asked.

    2. Re:Hold Pitchforks! by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Then why does Apple insist on holding there monopoly on stores that can sell iPhone apps.

      It is a question that needs to be asked.

      It is, until you discover that there is no such monopoly.

  145. Slashdot is out of touch with reality by jmcbain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple. The company just posted yesterday their highest non-holiday profit quarter ever (90% year-over-year increase in profit). iPhone sales were up 130% year-over-year. AAPL stock is soaring right now This is all due to Apple's complete control over the iPhone. So does the lack of hardcore adult content hurt the iPhone sales? No, it does not. Steve Jobs is absolutely right.

    1. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple.

      So it is ok for Apple/Jobs to be self-righteous and sanctimonious, as long as they are profitable? What if they starting losing money, would you then find his words offensive? Perhaps some people find it offensive purely on the basis of it restricting your liberty with hardware you paid dearly for.

      What are you, a stockholder or just a tool?

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    2. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs is seriously out of touch with reality regarding porn. Apart from the hypocricy of the Playboy app, has he ever actually used the internet? He knows what it's for, doesn't he? (cue Avenue Q)

    3. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by Rodyland · · Score: 2, Informative

      What are you, a stockholder or just a tool?

      You seem to imply he can't be both.

    4. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      Do you also find it self-righteous and sanctimonious that you can't buy porn games for your Nintendo Wii? Or Xbox 360?

      Why are you making a special exception to whine about Apple doing the same thing thats been done on closed devices loved by geeks for 25+ years?

    5. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Did the Wii or xbox tell you that it was an internet capable media player? Didn't think so. And frankly, I *do* take exception with them considering it a crime to run Linux on them, or doing anything you want (off their network), thank you.

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    6. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      I have Opera on my Wii, and can look at porn in it just as easily as I could on an iPhone or iPad in Safari.

      Internet capable has nothing to do with being a closed application market.

      I totally agree with taking offense that it's *illegal* (due to the DMCA) for us to reverse engineer our way onto these devices. But that story goes back to DVD players, game consoles (wish I remembered the Sega case), bnetd, and Lexmark ink cartridges. Apple is quite late to the party on all of this.

    7. Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      It isn't about porn (the last think I would do with a cell phone), it is about liberty. And yes, Apple is late to the party. I've been complaining about the others for years now.

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  146. iPhone and iPad HAVE a porn app on them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Safari has all the porn you can ever want. Pornhub has a iPhone compatible version of their site. Would you like to know more?

  147. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by pebs · · Score: 1

    Something to the effect of "And the inferior multitouch support won't bother you nearly as much if you are always using your phone one-handed..."

    I can pinch to zoom one handed, but sometimes I wish I had a simple + / - for zoom like the browser on Android does.

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  148. Safari for Porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple better discontinue Safari for iPhone if they don't want porn.

    mobile.pornhub.com FTW!

  149. One man's porn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is also Steve Jobs' Porn; and you can get it for your iPhone!

  150. Apple should be more concered with Kids spending.. by cdpage · · Score: 1

    Apple should be more concered with Kids spending $1000 on addictive games than with porn.

    If a game can allow a user to spend Real money to play it, then that should be investigated as to whether it is safe or not.

    While Porn may not be 'tasteful' or 'reputable'... it is at least safe.

  151. Translation: by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Jobs has written off the entire readership of slashdot as a target market for the iPhone.

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  152. The Apple "Experience" by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why doesn't Steve remove the vibrate function from the iPhone? Lots of Asian girls end up in the hospital because they stuck one up their snatch to enjoy the Apple "Experience" and then can't remove it.

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  153. The place for porn by mugurel · · Score: 1
    Steve says:

    You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there.

    Is he referring to the internet?

  154. Um, Steve, a question by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    *scrolls through the Android market*

    I'm confused, so where's this porn?

    You also said the App Store had more apps than the android market, but I see more choice in Android, there are several alternative browsers for example?

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    1. Re:Um, Steve, a question by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Android Market porn is actually pretty well hidden. Try the "Tic Tac Toe" app and click on one of the "X"'s three times.

      But really, Steve Jobs knows his market, and it is not computer geeks. Geeks know how to find porn, and save money by buying the best hardware they can for the price. Plus the non-geek market, is much, much bigger.

      Families are all too happy to throw money at problems if it saves them time trying to comparison shop. I know because I've started doing it myself, unfortunately :-/ But at least not when it comes to technology ... yet.

  155. Personal experience by asamad · · Score: 1

    Sounds like he is speaking from personall experience - what he keeps and android phone tucked under his pillow :}

  156. it's kind of tricky by pydev · · Score: 1

    The normal apps on the iPhone and iPad are quite picky about what video formats and encodings they accept. There are some third party players that will play more kinds of video content. But, of course, Apple can at any time just disallow anything other than their own video players plus content that they approve. And as recent decisions by Apple show, they have no qualms about screwing existing developers.

  157. kthxbye by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    kthxbye

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  158. define porn by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

    Jobs was completely accurate. You just have to realize he defines 'porn' as any non-Apple item. It's part of his reality distortion field. Same one that causes him to come up with a logo that says: Bite me.

  159. You dont have any moral responsibility by unity100 · · Score: 1

    you are the ceo of a manufacturing company. your job is to deliver products to your customers and allow THEM to choose what to do and what not to do on your product. you should provide the means for parents to block certain apps, but do not block the apps for the parents yourself, by your own self justification.

    you are not the shepherd of apple flock to herd them like they were goats. you are the ceo of the company that produces products for them.

  160. That's it, I'm sending my iPhone 3G back by trialcode · · Score: 1

    Anybody care to provide the complete address for Apple HQ? I plan to send back my fully functional iPhone 3G in it's box with this note: To Mr. Steve Jobs. Enough is enough, fuck you and your moral responsibilities! I've bought my last Apple product. Sincerely, ... English is not my native language so if I did something wrong grammatically I'd appreciate any help, I want this to be flawless.

  161. Didn't VHS ? by hduff · · Score: 1

    Didn't VHS win out over Betamax partly because the porn industry adopted VHS after they were "discouraged" from Betamax by Sony. Seems this "urban legend" has never been firmly validated or refuted, but it's persistence might server as a warning to Jobs. I doubt the I-Phone or I-Pad will stem the tide of porn providers, however, as those folks will just become more clever.

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    1. Re:Didn't VHS ? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      As some who had Porn on betamax, I assure you it existed. Did Sony like it? I have no idea, nor did it even occur to me to think about that. They where simply times, honest times...very hairy times.

      BTW, it was 50 bucks or more a tape. Your smart fapping money was getting a 'review' tape. It just contained a review of the money shots from about 20 others movies. These usually cot 25+ .hen you had you're more underground area. The Porn industry was weird. Reagan's 'War on Drugs'* was almost a War on Porn. Except at the time almost all porn came from overseas and went through 1 distributing house run buy 1 guy in the midwest. It wouldn't have been much of a war, and it would have ended well before they could have gotten any talking point use out of it.

      Life was so different then.

      *Nixon started it, but Reagan made it a talking point.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  162. Steve is scared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Motorola Milestone, so as soon as I saw this , I thought "Hey, I didn't see any porn on there! What's Steve talking about?!?!?" and then spent the next 20 minutes trying to find porn in the app store. Funny thing is that you have to specifically do a search for porn. It doesn't show up in any of the major entertainment or whatever categories. You won't find it unless you look really hard. And then you have to pay. Even more interesting is that most of the apps have something to do with some Japanese girls and each one costs 99 Yen.

    I guess what I'm saying is that Steve must be really worried about Android taking over the iPhone market, because surfing the net is a much easier way to get porn than anything in the Android app store. And surfing the net is free.

    J

  163. Steve Jobs = Neo Con? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd never believe this if I didn't read it here: Steve Jobs is becoming a neo con!

  164. Apple has a near monopoly by pydev · · Score: 1

    Walmart doesn't have a near monopoly. I can buy physical DVDs and books at lots of places. I can mail-order them.

    Apple does have a near-monopoly: many mobile apps exist only for the iPhone, a lot of content is only available online on iTunes, and a lot of books are only available online on Kindle or iBooks. Just like with Windows, it doesn't matter how badly the platform sucks (and it does), more and more, you don't have a choice.

    Fortunately, Android is addressing this and it is starting to get enough traction to become a serious alternative. But we're going to continue to complain and hold Apple's feet to the fire until this situation is fixed, either because Apple becomes irrelevant, or because they change.

    1. Re:Apple has a near monopoly by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      Apple does have a near-monopoly...

      I stopped reading there. Apple doesn't even have a _MAJORITY_ of the smartphone market so it sure as hell doesn't have "a near-monopoly". It isn't even the number 1 smartphone maker NOR the number 2 smartphone maker - it's the 3rd largest. So, please, before you bandy about claims of "near-monopoly", make sure they're at least in a position where that claim can be vaguely debated, which is to say in the number 1 position and, quite frankly, with a majority of the market.

      Actually, I lied. I read on...

      ...and a lot of books are only available online on Kindle or iBooks...

      You're (erroneously) complaining about Apple's "near-monopoly" over content and then you point out an example of books for which Apple doesn't even vaguely come close to having a "near-monopoly". Amazon is significantly ahead of all other competitors (I recall the numbers being something like 450,000 books for Amazon and 70,000-ish for Apple - a _WIDE_ margin in Amazon's favour). Yes, you can get Amazon's ebooks on the iProduct of your choice, because they've made apps for that, but Apple isn't selling them to you - Amazon is.

      Seriously, people talk about Apple's "near-monopoly" yet they've not remotely looked at the numbers and fail to realize that Apple only holds a "near-monopoly" in one, and only one, market - portable music players (for which they hold about 70%-ish of the market - a "near-monopoly). _EVERY_ other market they are in, they are not in a "near-monopoly" position. Not even vaguely open for debate.

      Hate them if you want but at least base your reasons for hating them on something approaching fact.

  165. I love my G1 by Zot+Quixote · · Score: 0

    but I have no idea why someone would use there phone to view pornography as opposed to, say, a home computer.

    Also the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition? Really? When did this become pornography?

  166. Stupid mods. by steelfood · · Score: 1

    -1 TMI

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    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
  167. If Someone Wanted To Go Religious by Chagatai · · Score: 1

    God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth...

    If someone wanted to go religious, Matthew 5:28 would probably be a better one:

    "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

    --
    --Chag
    1. Re:If Someone Wanted To Go Religious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wow. 9am and I've already sinned about a thousand times. Nice. What's the record?

    2. Re:If Someone Wanted To Go Religious by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Good news, it's not your sin, it's her sin. As such she will be stoned for making you look at her.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:If Someone Wanted To Go Religious by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          You are kind enough to show that no matter what someone says, even if they invoke the backing of God himself, you can be shown to be wrong. How can I be fruitful and multiply to the best of my ability, if I work within the constraints of not lusting after women?

          365 - (12 * 4) = 317 non-menstrual days.

          or...

          If I'm fruitfully multiplying, there's a 280 day window (pregnancy) + 30 days of recovery, where I've done my task, and I am idly wasting God's time. Do you know how fruitfully I could multiply in 310 days?

      --
      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
    4. Re:If Someone Wanted To Go Religious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just wondering if I was the only one who imagines fucking practically *every* woman I walk by? I also work on one of the largest college campuses in the US, so spring time can be quite low on the productivity scale...

  168. Moral responsibility by alexo · · Score: 1

    "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."

    On the other hand, I have a moral responsibility to keep my money away from Apple.

  169. Smut! by pydev · · Score: 1

    http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Smut-lyrics-Tom-Lehrer/6AF3E9A2451F2F0548256A7D0025920C

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pva35TFiBfI

    I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it. Unfortunately the civil liberties types who are fighting this issue have to fight it owing to the nature of the laws as a matter of freedom of speech and stifling of free expression and so on but we know what's really involved: dirty books are fun. That's all there is to it. But you can't get up in a court and say that I suppose. It's simply a matter of freedom of pleasure, a right which is not guaranteed by the Constitution unfortunately. Anyway, since people seem to be marching for their causes these days I have here a march for mine. It's called...

  170. No, but he's a hypocritical fuck. by theolein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Job, today's "moral apostle" on the iPhone, is the same hypocritical fuck who fathered a girl and denied it, yet proclaims his moral superiority to the rest of us because of porn? Steve Jobs doesn't give a flying fuck about porn. It's just more pandering to the Disney crowd. There's nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if he had the balls to admit it.

    1. Re:No, but he's a hypocritical fuck. by indiechild · · Score: 1

      I don't think he's trying to state his own moral position, he's just pandering to the Disney crowd as you say. But yes, it would be nice if he admitted it openly.

  171. DANGER DO NOT CLICK LINK ABOVE by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    I saw the suspicious looking link and assumed it was some sort of shock site like tubgirl or goatse. Imagine my horror when I clicked it and found it went to some boring financial site about investment strategies or some crap like that! Do not click!!!!

  172. Steve should watch what he says. by Nyder · · Score: 1

    After all, if it wasn't for the Porn industry, VCR's wouldn't of take off like it did, and of course, we all know it helps the internet get popular.

    Seems to me like enough peeps are into porn that it can change markets.

    --
    Be seeing you...
  173. All your base are belong to Apple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Folks who want {insert user-driven functionality here} can buy an Android phone. When you buy something from Apple, Apple owns it.

  174. Touch and gestures by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can you zoom in real life with only 2 fingers?

    Well, if I "pinch" the boobs, they do move further away...

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    Bow-ties are cool.
  175. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    I gotta jailbreak my phone that I bought just so a) I can put the music on it that I want,

    Huh? Is the iphone banning heavy metal now or something??

  176. Huh... by hohosforbreakfast · · Score: 1

    I always knew my Droid was the right choice!

    --
    Tony Jeffries
  177. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about not giving your child an Iphone??

  178. Re:Ready Pitchsporks! by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest.

    No, it would be like the person who built your house not offering to call OJ for you to come over. You are still free to invite OJ over yourself.

    Except OJ demands a fee for his appearances - and the person who built your house is doing everything they can to stop OJ from offering you the chance to pay his appearance fee and have him come over... Because OJ doesn't know you personally and knows you only want him over because he's famous...

    And then the person who built your house has a deal going with Dennis Rodman and tries to encourage you to have him come over instead.

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    Bow-ties are cool.
  179. everybody knows ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the most lucrative Iphone-a-pad app will the
    open market exchange for dead peoples organs.
    get your new liver today. drink or f3ck. you chose.

  180. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by jbeach · · Score: 1

    Ahem. T-Mobile. I, uh, accidentally hit the Verizon key on my keyboard. Because....it's an iPad. That's it. That's the ticket.

    --
    The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
  181. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by jbeach · · Score: 1

    That's probably next. No, it's just that the iPhone's iTunes crap means I can't sync up between multiple computers. So I have tunes at work I can't put on my iPhone unless I jailbreak it. What's even more irritating is that this is true for photos and images too - or at least it was the last time I tried it. Why can't I even sync photos between multiple computers? That shouldn't violate the MIAA's violation of me. But Jobs thinks I shouldn't need to, so it doesn't matter. Grrr.....

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    The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
  182. Android Porn? by sfarber53 · · Score: 1

    I am a fan of Apple, but less and less often lately when Steve Jobs does his Steve Ballmer imitation and acts like a total JACKASS! Android, and Linux more specifically, do stand for freedom which is why I wouldn't buy an iPhone even if I could afford the price of such elitist nonsense. Oh and yes, I do have an Android phone!

    --
    Like the inimitable Groucho Marx, I would never join a club that would have me as a member.
  183. New company slogan for Apple by microbee · · Score: 1

    Do No Porn!

  184. The Bottom Line (starring Linda Lovelace) by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple. The company just posted yesterday their highest non-holiday profit quarter ever (90% year-over-year increase in profit). iPhone sales were up 130% year-over-year. AAPL stock is soaring right now

    This is all due to Apple's complete control over the iPhone. So does the lack of hardcore adult content hurt the iPhone sales? No, it does not. Steve Jobs is absolutely right.

    Hold on, now - when did this become all about what's best for Apple?

    The problem here is that, while Apple's approach works well for them, it's an approach that frustrates would-be developers for the platform and, I imagine, doesn't please a lot of Apple's audience, either. The question isn't whether what Apple's doing is reasonable or advantageous in a business sense or whatever - it's whether we, as potential customers of Apple are OK with this.

    Apple could be raking in enough money to buy Canada for all I care - it doesn't change the fact that I personally find the restrictions of their iPhone platform unacceptable - both as a developer and a user.

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    Bow-ties are cool.
    1. Re:The Bottom Line (starring Linda Lovelace) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem here is that, while Apple's approach works well for them, it's an approach that frustrates would-be developers for the platform and, I imagine, doesn't please a lot of Apple's audience, either.

      That's a steaming load.

      Both would-be developers and Apple's "audience" pretty much know what they are in for when they sign up.

      It's kinda like going into a steak house and bitching to the manager that they don't serve sushi.

    2. Re:The Bottom Line (starring Linda Lovelace) by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that, while Apple's approach works well for them, it's an approach that frustrates would-be developers for the platform and, I imagine, doesn't please a lot of Apple's audience, either.

      That's a steaming load.

      Both would-be developers and Apple's "audience" pretty much know what they are in for when they sign up.

      And I agree with that. If said people take the time to keep themselves informed of what's going on, exercise due diligence to not be ignorant of what Apple does, then yes, they should know what it is they're getting into before they buy an iPhone or whatever. That doesn't mean they like what Apple's doing, you know? Not all of them, I mean. Obviously many people are quite happy with Apple - and I don't believe I have any reason to tell them they shouldn't be.

      It's kinda like going into a steak house and bitching to the manager that they don't serve sushi.

      Oh, boy, the analogy game! I love this one! But I'm a lot better with car analogies, so I hope you don't mind if I drop the whole steak house thing...

      It's kind of like if somebody made a safe, efficient, and affordable flying car - with the catch that the manufacturer also exercised sole discretionary control over where the car could take you...

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      Bow-ties are cool.
    3. Re:The Bottom Line (starring Linda Lovelace) by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      t's kinda like going into a steak house and bitching to the manager that they don't serve sushi.

      No, its kinda like going into a place called "The Steak House" only to find out it is really a vegetarian only restaurant. The iphone is supposed to be a media player, but Apple says you can only play media that isn't naughty on it. I don't see any point in watching porn on a phone, personally, but if I own the device, it seems I should decide what I can do with it. They can choose whether or not to support it at that point.

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      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    4. Re:The Bottom Line (starring Linda Lovelace) by deniable · · Score: 1

      It's kind of like if somebody made a safe, efficient, and affordable flying car - with the catch that the manufacturer also exercised sole discretionary control over where the car could take you...

      Better yet, they dictate that you can't have sex in said car.

  185. Thresholds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone has their threshold. Jobs can, and should, set a threshold for his company. You can still get all the porn you want by simply browsing the web.

  186. "Your kids can download porn" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the hell buys their 10-year-old a $500 phone?

  187. Porn of non-existent species of fungi by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    We swear Safari won't let you surf porn (of non-existent species of fungi).

    Oh, come on, you think, even in the face of "rule 34" that there's no porn of non-existent species of fungi on the web? I mean, are you really sure? I'd like to mention something that I think might force you to rethink that...

    "Pokemon porn"

    Now, if you want to get picky, it's not entirely accurate to call something like Parasect a "fungus" - it's half-bug, after all - and it wouldn't be the most popular choice for porn I imagine (no tentacles, etc. - though it can induce paralysis) - but it's a very real possibility and I think it hits very close to the mark, too.

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    Bow-ties are cool.
  188. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sociopath taking a moral position? Interesting indeed.

  189. There you go, again and again.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, there are a lot of apple fanbois here on /. - but no one sucks Steve Jobs' dick more than you.

    Your comment history is really some funny read. http://slashdot.org/~MobileTatsu-NJG/comments

    1. Re:There you go, again and again.. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      ... but no one sucks Steve Jobs' dick more than you.

      Amusingly your link doesn't even begin to suggest that. Which means you're a dude I zinged recently and I bet I even know which one. Bitter much?

      --

      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

  190. Marketshare You Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiot...

    1. Re:Marketshare You Idiot by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Oh, sure, all others also sold more than twice the units. And I'm the idiot.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  191. I'd like to see the justification for this: by DoctorFrog · · Score: 1

    "Apple isn't diametrically opposed to freedom. On the contrary, Apple products have generated more freedom than Linux and Android have, combined."

    How, exactly? Apple make some nice gear, but unlike attractiveness and ease-of-use, freedom is not an Apple priority. The Apple OSs on their computers and phones, and the hardware they run on, are proprietary and strictly controlled by Apple. How has that generated more freedom than the open source Linux and Android platforms?

  192. Thanks Steve, I will get my porn on an Android... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Steve, I will get my porn on an Android and not five you one thin dime in the process.
    (the start of the fall of Apple has begun)...

  193. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  194. So? by mr100percent · · Score: 1

    Apple allows "shake the baby" iPhone app and gets bad press. Apple changes, restricts their store and removes porn and they also get bad press. What can they do?

  195. Sold! by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    I'm taking Jobs up on his advice, and have finally decided on the smart phone for me -- a Nexus One. I'd been leaning that way anyhow, but this sealed the deal.

    Not that I want to use it for porn (I don't -- my desktop machine is far more conveniently placed for fapping), but that I don't want someone else to tell me what I can or cannot have available on my device. Particularly not someone or some company who decides to be the Morals Police.

  196. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by Kvasio · · Score: 1

    Steve's turning his back to entire family of Jobs employed in the porn industry!
    (Blow Jobs, Hand Jobs, and last but not least RIM Jobs)

    BTW - if Research In Motion is ever taken over, there will be question if RIM-jobs will be saved ;-)

  197. This is not about getting porn no the iPhone by geekoid · · Score: 1

    it's about scaring parents that there kids are downloading porn with android devices.

    A new low for Steve.

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  198. does anyone remember the topless 15 year old girl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it was on a an app and the girl was topless and made headlines all over. I think that's why they removed most of these apps, they don't want the burden of making sure every picture there is of a person who is of legal age, so I think that's why they kept things like playboy and such.

  199. Moral? No.... by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

    Branding.

  200. But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But make sure you only buy fart apps here....

  201. Ah, corporate morality! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    I'm glad that Apple is now officially a corporation with morals. I take it that Mr Jobs will announce a pull-out from China tomorrow?

  202. Apple's Becoming Blockbuster Video by rutabagaman · · Score: 1

    The whole thing reminds me of Blockbuster Video and their somewhat arbitrary "family friendly" policies impacting how movies get made. Now Blockbuster is getting their asses handed to them by competitors with more choice and/or convenience(Netflix, Redbox), and I wouldn't be too surprised if Apple found themselves in the same boat in a few years.

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    (insert witty/esoteric/dumb quote here)
  203. VHS versus Betamax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony smothered Betamax by blocking porn. Sony done this to protect its family friendly image. Steve Jobs is now doing the same thing - due to shareholdings with Apple and Disney/Pixar. So, this one move of blocking porn could be enough to substantially damage Apple.

    If you're a pornographer, this sends a clear signal that you should avoid the Apple iPhone. If you're a liberated individual, this also sends a clear signal that you should avoid the Apple iPhone. The difference in sales will be small but cumulative until less restricted gadgets prevail.

    Unfortunately, stage two is more pervasive. After Sony lost one format war, it devised and won almost every subsequent format. Sony 3.5 inch disks overwon 3 inch disks which were common in Japan. Sony and Philips CDs overwon tapes. Sony (and others) DVD overwon video tape. Yes, Sony had a few dubious formats along the way but every successful format has gained significant royalties for Sony.

  204. Citation needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's your source, Luke?

  205. Will do! by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

    Will do, Jobs!

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    You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
  206. Vindicated...again by Ozlanthos · · Score: 1

    I am sure the number of people who share my disdain for Apple's bringing Jobs back just jumped 10 fold!

    -Oz

  207. never prevented me from running software ... by garote · · Score: 1

    ...Except for that whole multi-billion-dollar anti-trust-lawsuit crush-Netscape-Navigator thing...

    1. Re:never prevented me from running software ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're pretty stupid, aren't you...

      Nothing in that lawsuit was about preventing Netscape from running. The whole time, you could install and run Netscape just fine, any time. It was antitrust because they bundled IE with the OS and paid off OEMs not to bundle Netscape as well / instead. Not because they prevented it from running.

      Seriously, get the faintest grip on the facts before posting in future, otherwise you just embarrass yourself.

  208. No. by garote · · Score: 1

    No. The key words in this case are "just about".

  209. Terrorists by Issarlk · · Score: 1

    You can download porn, your children can download porn ; but Jobs forgot the worst: *Terrorists can download porn on Android!*

  210. Re:Slashdot is in touch with reality by rugburner · · Score: 1

    Profit figures like that may impress you, they are indeed uncommon. But we've all seen stock fall that quickly. If the stock doesn't fall back again then that will impress me. The seeds of the fall as always are in the success. It's easy to get market share when you've got little to begin with.

    People are buying these products as fashion accessories. Many ipads have been bought in UK, the damn things haven't hit the shops yet. So no one is buying based on need or experience..
    Fashions change.
    Particularly when utility problems become obvious..
    Crocs were everywhere 2 years ago, but they tear your feet up.
    Toyotas seemed unstoppable, until they seemed unstoppable.

    The Ip* are no different. We all know the drawbacks I'm not going to list them here. absent flash will be more obvious on the ipad.
    Even if the OS updates eventually seem to add functionality that hackers have had for years. Apart from an app to run code.
    That doesn't cover the point of the OP.

    Steve Jobs is a:
    puritanical bigot - porn is no good for you so you can't have it.
    hypocrite - playboy etc
    retard - use a browser like people normally do and you get all the porn you want /b/

  211. more like pandering by vaporland · · Score: 1

    Apple & morals? That's a joke. They have no problem employing sweatshop labor overseas and closing US manufacturing plants to save money. Steve's a dick. If he's so concerned about porn, why doesn't Mac OS X have a porn-blocker built in? Corporate censorship is still censorship.

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    Ask Me About... The 80's!
  212. Roman_Mir = Mobile masturbator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above

  213. Web boy wannabe, you FAIL at programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per subject-line above: Why? Because of this -

    "I love it, apparently some trolling AC subscribed to my newsletter and is reading my every comment and needs to reply to all of them multiple times even. Excellent, next thing I know I have my own TV news station." - by roman_mir (125474) on Tuesday April 20, @10:58AM (#31910300) Homepage

    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 it would appear that a quote has you shown trolling others, first no less, right in that url I just put up.

    Also, per my subject-line above: Face the music there in that URL link then. If you don't then everyone knows your skills & knowledge in the field of computing is shockingly limited, and also that you screwed up badly also by avoiding "facing the music" in that url there.

    If you do face the music, then your show's going to have to be a comedy is my guess because it's going to be funny watching you "eat your own words" roman_mir in that url I put up here, because you are just another dime a dozen "web developer" (that's a joke) and not truly a computer programmer is all.

  214. Roman the dime-a-dozen web "programmer wannabe" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I love it, apparently some trolling AC subscribed to my newsletter and is reading my every comment and needs to reply to all of them multiple times even. Excellent, next thing I know I have my own TV news station." - by roman_mir (125474) on Tuesday April 20, @10:58AM (#31910300) Homepage

    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 it would appear that a quote has you shown trolling others, first no less, right in that url I just put up (first of all).

    Secondly also, per my subject-line above: Face the music there in that URL link then. If you don't then everyone knows your skills & knowledge in the field of computing is shockingly limited, and also that you screwed up badly also by avoiding "facing the music" in that url there.

    If you do face the music, then your show's going to have to be a comedy is my guess because it's going to be funny watching you "eat your own words" (flavored with the 'bitter taste of defeat' and worst of all, your defeating yourself no less in your mistakes and your failing to answer up to them also), roman_mir, in that url I put up here, because you are just another dime a dozen "web developer" (that's a joke) and not truly a computer programmer is all.

  215. Roman_mir stars in "Land of the wannabe loser" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I love it, apparently some trolling AC subscribed to my newsletter and is reading my every comment and needs to reply to all of them multiple times even. Excellent, next thing I know I have my own TV news station." - by roman_mir (125474) on Tuesday April 20, @10:58AM (#31910300) Homepage

    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 it would appear that a quote has you shown trolling others, first no less, right in that url I just put up (first of all).

    Secondly/also, per my subject-line above: Face the music there in that URL link then.

    If you don't then everyone knows your skills & knowledge in the field of computing is shockingly limited, and also that you screwed up badly also by avoiding "facing the music" in that url there.

    If you do face the music, then your show's going to have to be a comedy is my guess because it's going to be funny watching you "eat your own words" (flavored with the 'bitter taste of defeat' and worst of all, your defeating yourself no less in your mistakes and your failing to answer up to them also), roman_mir, in that url I put up here.

    You are just another dime a dozen "web developer" (that's a joke) and not truly a computer programmer is all.

  216. Answer to this by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Hey, fan of my comments, the troll, answer to this message too.

    1. Re:Answer to this by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Hey, obsessive compulsive fan of my writing, I am going to start charging for the service that you are getting here. Answer to this comment as well.

  217. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Porn stars get paid by a third party to fuck someone else. Makes me wonder why we haven't seen a make-your-own-porn establishment (aka brothel) open up in Los Angeles yet, where all the "talent" is (aka ran-away-from-home-out-of-money-wishful-starlets)

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  218. Face the music & answer the question here Roma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 It's obvious why you refuse to face the music there Roman_Mir. You only showed that you are at best, a mere "programmer wannabe" webpage maker, but certainly no serious programmer. I have to say that, based on your refusal to answer the questions asked of you in that url I posted above here now where you trolled someone who put you in your place and at the same time, exposed you as nothing more than another "wannabe" in computing.

  219. LMAO @ "Roman wannabe", running scared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  220. Roman_Mir: All-American TRACK STAR (watch him run) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 ROTFLMAO (Roman_Mir shows his "running speed" as he avoids answering a question that exposes him as a big mouthed troll who has to now eat his own words for his trolling others). Roman_Mir obviously isn't much of a programmer (webpage maker & nothing more), but he certainly shows his mettle at RUNNING from questions he cannot answer (or if he were to answer them, he'd only be further shown as a loud mouthed and incorrect TROLL, and also as nothing much in terms of his comp. sci. skills as well). A "lose-lose", for Roman WANNABE, the "track star", as he runs away from answering up to his own trolling words (how do those words taste as you have to now eat them, Roman_Mir? Flavored with the "bitter taste of defeat" (your defeating yourself no less, lol))?

  221. Roman_Mir, ALL-AMERICAN sprinter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1626460&cid=31939440 LMAO: You shouldn't have opened your mouth & trolled others, as you did here http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1622780&cid=31904240 and you couldn't back up your b.s., and you had to RUN (earning you "All-American TROLL" status, lol!), and simply because you're not educated or skilled enough to do so, by refuting what was written you in reply, you mere webpage boy! Roman_Mir: A bad credit risk with his big trolling mouth writing checks his trolling mouth cannot ca$h, lmao.

  222. Here we go... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

    My comment had several implications. For one, you'll never be able to explain to a sociopath why a person can act altruistically. They don't understand morals or values that exist outside of "benefit myself." Attempting to analyze morals and values objectively -- like a sociopath does -- and ignore some "built-in" human elements, you'll never understand the reasoning. A pscyhologist can better explain how a human develops morals and values (when they are not sociopaths) and how they might come out differently than the ones that someone has invented for himself in the throes of sexual frustration, overanalyzation, nihilism, lonliness, etc.

    A psychologist could also better explain the sexual maturity stages of children, and why viewing porn has a greater negative effect on children (and adults, for that matter). Any slashdotter could state the same here, but you wouldn't believe it. He could go on to explain the possible negative effects of viewing violence as well, and the implications of blocking violence from the mind of a child -- and then suggest to you why so many people are wired to accept one's depiction, yet abhor the other.

    While slashdotters may dabble in psychology, read up on it, monitor the studies, take some college courses, etc -- psychologists actually do this stuff, and can explain things much better on the grounds that you will understand them -- like a physicist explaining quarks to someone who doesn't believe in them vs. a guy who read "Universe in a Nutshell" trying to do the same.

    You've already had the reasoning explained to you a hundred times by the unprofessional -- so either you're the unreasonable one or you need a professional to explain it to you.

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    I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
    1. Re:Here we go... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Attempting to analyze morals and values objectively -- like a sociopath does -- and ignore some "built-in" human elements, you'll never understand the reasoning.

      I see. The problem we're having is you're misusing the word "reasoning" when what you really mean is thinking and deciding. "Reasoning" implies rational beliefs based upon reason, not subjective or irrational decision making processes.

      A psychologist could also better explain the sexual maturity stages of children, and why viewing porn has a greater negative effect on children (and adults, for that matter).

      Perhaps they could, except for the fact that the body of research to date shows no causation from viewing porn to any quantifiable negative effect. At least that is my reading of the literature. Do you have some reference or study you think shows otherwise?

      He could go on to explain the possible negative effects of viewing violence as well, and the implications of blocking violence from the mind of a child...

      That's a very odd phrase. "Blocking violence from the mind?" Anyway, there are quantifiable studies of the effects of violence upon children. The matter is certainly not settled and there is more research to be done, but at least there is real scientific evidence to support negative effects of violence. That's why I find it odd Apple would claim blocking the former is a moral imperative but the latter is not. That's why I asked for a consistent explanation of the reasoning that would make sense to block the former and not the latter. No one has been able to provide it or even a theory of what it could be.

      You've already had the reasoning explained to you a hundred times by the unprofessional -- so either you're the unreasonable one or you need a professional to explain it to you.

      I'll forgive your misunderstanding because of your failure to understand what "reasoning" is. I've had people assert violence and pornography are bad for kids. I've not had anyone reply and explain what rational basis they have for those beliefs and what reasoning makes sense to block porn and not violence for moral reasons. For that matter, when I asked people what the reasoning was, no one responded except yourself to say you can't explain it and an expert in things not reasoned could help.

    2. Re:Here we go... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      I am discussing reason, but it's reason you fail to see -- a psychological blindspot, if you will. As soon as I do offer some possible explanations, or at least points of discussion, you do a handwave and say "I'm not going to count that" exactly as I said you would -- because I'm a non-authoritative source. When I suggest you speak to an authoritative source, you come at me saying "Why would I need to do that? What would he tell me, Mr. Non-Authoritative Source?" and expect anything beyond an impotent answer... Who is being unreasonable?

      If you insist that a SLASHDOTTER opens this can of worms for you, then let me put it this way: Children can grasp simple forms of violence (cats getting blown up by mice, knights slaying dragons). Children can also grasp simple forms of sexuality (kissing, puppy love, mommies and daddies). Violence is depicted in a myriad of ways, at different levels before becoming "pornographic" in their sense. Sexuality tends to scale to the level of perversion much more quickly (omg a boobie!). A perverted depiction of violence, such as seen in Reservoir Dogs, Saw, Hostel, and similar features, is not what the average parent would show their kids. (Unless their names are Mr. and Mrs. Strawman)

      So now we venture into the psychology of a parent wanting what is best for a child. If you are a parent, and you realize your child can become desensitized or addicted to violence or sexuality (whether or not it's true) by exposure to it, which one do you worry about more? If the child is desensitized to violence, then they might have less sympathy for the suffering. If a child is desensitized to sexuality, then they are more likely to tilt toward sexual deviancy, paraphilias, or sexual apathy with their spouse. Which would you rather focus your prevention on? Then, at what levels of perversion can violence become a dangerous addiction? At what levels of perversion can sexuality become a dangerous addiction? As a parent, your job is to prune the psychological garden of a child so it is a healthy place where their mind can grow until they are ready to take over, and I can tell you that it's a hundred times easier to prune back violence than sex once it gets growing.

      "What is pornography" is a conversation that would be much more interesting to have with a licensed psychologist than a slashdotter, but I hope that this answer can serve as an appetizer in the meantime.

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      I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
  223. apple fanatic gets butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    film at 11

  224. Re:Slashdot is in touch with reality by Evtim · · Score: 1

    .....and an ass, for mentioning the kiddies. So, having i-thing makes you (this is just from the last week):

    a:) Alpha male whom women like more
    b:) Morally sound, "think for the kiddies", responsible citizen

    Up until this news came out, I did not care about Apple likes/dislikes at all. But this man is yet another apparently brilliant mind that succumbs to the idiocy of our civilization. Apparently for money and power. Is that a news to anyone anymore?

    As a small retribution I crafted (or re-invented) this little motto today:

      "Apple fans masturbate when they look, show or touch their mp3 players. I masturbate when I listen to mine."

    Disclaimer: My only priority in mobile sounds is quality - I use one of the most audiophile player/headphones combos available and do not compress beyond flac. So the second part of the motto is accurate, the first one is speculative.

  225. Wow, Android fone can do more then the IPOD by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    What Steve Jobs is recommending is to get an Android phone because it can do more then the Apple product. The Adroid lets you the user chose what it is you want to see and the apps you want to install, without being constrained by someone's idiosyncrasies. Thanks SJ for the strong advice.

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  226. Your interpretation obviously wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone

    Yes that is what he said.

    But if you took that literally, it would in fact mean yanking Safari or trying some kind of futile content filtering.

    Since Apple has not done that, nor does it show any signs it will do that, it's quite obvious Jobs was talking about porn in applications, not porn in general. At any rate the difference is moot since you can in fact load porn on an iPhone or iPad via the browser, and will continue to be able to do so regardless of the exact meaning of his words.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  227. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    That sucks. I don't have that problem with any iPod I've used, including the touch -- not sure why it would be happening with the iphone.

  228. Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My customers pay me to screw them.

    So he is a prostitute?

  229. Teh gays do love our porn by Jeff+Jungblut · · Score: 1

    In any larger city's gay community you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a gay porn performer, past or present.

  230. Re:Jobs is making porn -he's really starting to bl by celery+stalk · · Score: 1

    The iPhone can't be switched to "Disk mode", or whatever it is where you can drag and drop music onto it. It only functions in "Managed/sync mode", where you have to select playlists or criteria of songs to sync to the phone. This also means that since that particular iTunes library is managing those playlists, you can't plug it into another PC with iTunes and drag and drop (or copy a playlist...say a new CD you bought over lunch or borrowed from a coworker and ripped at work) to your phone.

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    aaaand...whee!
  231. Steve Jobs and Peter North: both have giant balls by HarlanBagels · · Score: 1

    You gotta love the balls on this guy!

    (On BOTH of these guys!)

    ((But you're only gunna see 'em on an Android!))

    (((Love from afar... alas! The very worst kind.)))

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    The tagline: "COMICS! HOT ACTION! (Mostly comics.) And a little ACTION!"

  232. Porn? by Geminii · · Score: 1

    There's a fap for that.