Apologies for replying to the same message twice, but I forgot to mention something of importance;
You can't *post* from groups.google.co.uk any more; it kept giving me unexplained errors whenever I tried.
Okay, so I was using that address as a neat hack to gain access to the old service, but what if someone just happens to be going through the UK address?
If they're going to maintain the old version without posting support (and this is better than nothing), they could at least forward all uploading of posts to the new system instead of giving vague errors.
I agree; I always go through groups.google.co.uk. I remember being distinctly unimpressed with the 'new' Google groups, then figuring they'd reverted for some reason.
Actually, I think what happened was that if you go through google.com (as I always did anyway), it redirects you to google.co.uk now; then if you click on 'groups', it (google.co.uk) then takes you to groups.google.co.uk.
OTOH, if you type 'groups.google.com' *directly* into the title bar (from the UK), it *doesn't* forward you to groups.google.co.uk, as you might have expected. Had me briefly confused until I figured out what Google were doing.
The question is, does 'groups.google.co.uk' work for non-UK users (and why this inconsistency in forwarding/not forwarding?)
>> Americans out number the rest of the English speaking world.
> There are more Chinese English-speakers than there are American ones. And don't forget India is part of the English-speaking world.
Yeah, but what level of competence are they at? I mean, we should really be considering people who can speak English with some degree of skill....
Unfortunately, that excludes most Americans. Boom boom!
Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week... [notices menacing crowd slowly edging towards the stage and tiptoes backwards towards the exit]... or maybe not.
But 'English' doesn't mean 'American'. English didn't originate in the US.
OTOH, 'Dutch' means 'someone from the Netherlands' and 'the language spoken in the Netherlands'. In otherwords, it relates to something to do with the Netherlands.
Especially since Dutch is the language spoken in the Netherlands
Strange...
People from the Netherlands speak Dutch; but 'Dutch' has no obvious connection with either the English country name (The Netherlands or Holland; the latter is wrong, but still used), nor the Dutch country name.
On the other hand, 'Dutch' sounds like 'Deutsch', but the language spoken in 'Deutschland' (Germany) is known to English speakers as German.
Normally, I would discourage feeding what I considered to be a troll, but I'll point out that you missed some fundamental flaws in the AC's argument.
(1) People have a choice to smoke, or eat. They don't have the choice of not being 'defective' by someone's measure (and that's not even going into who gets to decide what 'defective' is; Godwin was already invoked by the AC, so let's mention the Nazis again and point out that they considered Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, etc. worthy of extermination. What a pathetic example to bring up)
(2) 'We ask' people to stop smoking, to stop eating. So, presumably someone can 'ask' people to stop procreating, and in response they can tell them where to go...? BTW, 'voluntary' schemes to stop people breeding have a nasty habit of not being as voluntary as they claim, in practice.
Russia was fscked up because free-market policies were forced (very suddenly) onto them in exchange for whatever the hell they got from western governments.
And now they have a democratically elected, but nevertheless authoratarian leader reminscent of their communist past and the regime (and hence country) is growing more distant from the west; expect trouble to come.
(From article): "He characterised the Chinese model in terms of 'willingness to work hard and not having quite the same medical overhead or legal overhead'".
Translation: We can have them work all the hours God sends and still pay them peanuts; even if we don't employ them, we can still use the implied threat ("medical or legal overhead" applies particularly to the US) against workers in western countries.
And they *aren't* "free" to go and find other jobs or get together in favour of better working conditions.
As for 'new'; are China the first country to practise "market fascism"? Probably not. What makes it new is the sheer scale of the country and workforce.
It's my website. Legally, and morally, you have no right to use it, any more than you have the right to use my toilet if I leave my house unlocked.
Bad analogy; even if your right to stop people visiting is enforcable, it's not like leaving your house open.
The computer equivalent to that would be exploiting a security hole to gain access to a system that clearly wasn't intended for public use.
Your website is more like a shop, in that if it's publicly accessible and the doors are open, permission is implicitly being granted for people to come in, look around, and even look at stuff. Of course, you can hang a sign on the door in a prominent position detailing conditions for use of the shop. However, a publicly accessible website, even with restrictive conditions, is still more like a shop than a house.
Afraid they can't sue me for that. I've never visited their site (except for pop up ads which I didn't give permission for), so I haven't agreed to their silly EULA.
If China ever was truly communist (which I doubt), it sure as hell ain't now.
As someone said, when they embraced capitalism, China went from being one of the last major left-wing dictatorships to being one of the last major right-wing dictatorships.
Which doesn't necessarily make them any more free.
It's all bullcrap anyway; the supposedly left-wing North Korea is run in a pseudo-monarchistic manner by Kim Jong-Il, who took over from his father. This is about as un-left wing as you can get; not that it makes any difference. Whatever their *claimed* alleigance, dictatorships are dictatorships are dictatorships, run for the benefit of the ruling party; in that sense, they are *all* right-wing, but not in a remotely "freedom-loving" way.
The more I think about this, the more the left/right wing labels seem like a joke; they only really have relevance when it comes to free societies.
Perhaps, one day after Drive-By Downloads are stopped, a new era could emerge... A time in which east-side nerds could live side by side with west-side nerds.
But hopefully not before Bill Gates is shot dead by Larry Ellison (a la Tupac Shakur), because Steve Ballmer dissed Oracle.
Or maybe it was meant to be a 'West Side Story' reference, which suggests that the solution to the problem of bogus Verisign certificates is....
Dance!
I have a dream...
Is that a quote from Martin Luther King, or ABBA?!
Is that the one where you don't know if the server is burning until you check it?
No; it's the one where a story gets posted on Slashdot, and in a cool EPR style, the server is melted down as a direct result within a shorter period of time than would normally be possible, given that requests to the web page shouldn't be able to travel faster than the speed of light.
Posting a story on Slashdot creates a special entanglement between the server and the computers of thousands of geeks. This means the poor server doesn't even get a split second to inhale its final breath before the messages arrive at something approaching lightspeed and melt it down.
>> They are screwed either way. If they give it away for free, people will complain that microsoft is product dumping. If they charge, people will complain that they are making money on their software bugs.
>
In other words, given their current position as a convicted monopoly, the suitable option is not to get into the anti-virus business at all. Apparently they haven't decided to take that option. Is it any surprise they get blamed no matter which subtle variant of a fundamentally foolish decision they make?
Here's the problem; if they don't give away anti-virus stuff, they're also going to get criticised for not dealing with the problems with their products.
In fact, the only 'right' solution for them is either not to be a monopoly, or to release products without so many security holes.
Microsoft charging for anti-virus and anti-spyware must be the acme of nerve. Hell, scratch that, it's brilliant. Make people pay for defective stuff you already sold them once and get away with it.
I think we just found a great definition of 'chutzpah'.
[Why can't we...] have the Chinese or the Indians build that 'Son of Hubble' telescope that someone mentioned (I cannot find the linky at the moment)... as I recall, it could be done at around $50 million and would probably be better.
In the not-so-distant future, I expect China and India to be in the position where they would be capable of doing stuff like this themselves.
They probably *won't* do stuff like that first; I expect the more commercial and the more "national-pride" projects to be those that are carried out first, but even that is a start.
And this is why I wouldn't consider a complete US withdrawl from manned space exploration to be as significant as it might at first appear.
It's also why the US *won't* withdraw from space; indeed, they'll probably do more in the next 15 years than they have in the previous 25.
And they were probably saying the same back when Pythagoras was figuring out stuff about right-angled triangles and having mathematicians he didn't like killed off.
Hey, everybody. "Pin number" is redundant. What you're actually saying is "pin number number."
You're wrong. "PIN number" means "personal identification number number", not "PIN number number".
If "PIN number" means "PIN number number", like you said, then that in turn can be expanded to "PIN number number number", which in turn means "PIN number number number number", which means....
Slashdot Mirror
Apologies for replying to the same message twice, but I forgot to mention something of importance;
You can't *post* from groups.google.co.uk any more; it kept giving me unexplained errors whenever I tried.
Okay, so I was using that address as a neat hack to gain access to the old service, but what if someone just happens to be going through the UK address?
If they're going to maintain the old version without posting support (and this is better than nothing), they could at least forward all uploading of posts to the new system instead of giving vague errors.
They might have changed this now, though.
I agree; I always go through groups.google.co.uk. I remember being distinctly unimpressed with the 'new' Google groups, then figuring they'd reverted for some reason.
Actually, I think what happened was that if you go through google.com (as I always did anyway), it redirects you to google.co.uk now; then if you click on 'groups', it (google.co.uk) then takes you to groups.google.co.uk.
OTOH, if you type 'groups.google.com' *directly* into the title bar (from the UK), it *doesn't* forward you to groups.google.co.uk, as you might have expected. Had me briefly confused until I figured out what Google were doing.
The question is, does 'groups.google.co.uk' work for non-UK users (and why this inconsistency in forwarding/not forwarding?)
>> Americans out number the rest of the English speaking world.
> There are more Chinese English-speakers than there are American ones. And don't forget India is part of the English-speaking world.
Yeah, but what level of competence are they at? I mean, we should really be considering people who can speak English with some degree of skill....
Unfortunately, that excludes most Americans. Boom boom!
Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week... [notices menacing crowd slowly edging towards the stage and tiptoes backwards towards the exit]... or maybe not.
But 'English' doesn't mean 'American'. English didn't originate in the US.
OTOH, 'Dutch' means 'someone from the Netherlands' and 'the language spoken in the Netherlands'. In otherwords, it relates to something to do with the Netherlands.
Especially since Dutch is the language spoken in the Netherlands
Strange...
People from the Netherlands speak Dutch; but 'Dutch' has no obvious connection with either the English country name (The Netherlands or Holland; the latter is wrong, but still used), nor the Dutch country name.
On the other hand, 'Dutch' sounds like 'Deutsch', but the language spoken in 'Deutschland' (Germany) is known to English speakers as German.
Hmm....
Like we're really going to have a position in the US as stupid sounding as a "Chancellor".
Well, you have a president; that's pretty stupid-sounding.
Hang on, I don't think that's what I meant. Let's get rid of the colon....
Well, you have a president that's pretty stupid-sounding.
That's more like it.
Normally, I would discourage feeding what I considered to be a troll, but I'll point out that you missed some fundamental flaws in the AC's argument.
(1) People have a choice to smoke, or eat. They don't have the choice of not being 'defective' by someone's measure (and that's not even going into who gets to decide what 'defective' is; Godwin was already invoked by the AC, so let's mention the Nazis again and point out that they considered Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, etc. worthy of extermination. What a pathetic example to bring up)
(2) 'We ask' people to stop smoking, to stop eating. So, presumably someone can 'ask' people to stop procreating, and in response they can tell them where to go...? BTW, 'voluntary' schemes to stop people breeding have a nasty habit of not being as voluntary as they claim, in practice.
Think about it, at least.
Either this is a troll, or you have so little confidence in your ideas that you're posting them from an AC account.
Post them from a named account if you mean anything seriously, but of course, you don't.
look at what happened to russia
Russia was fscked up because free-market policies were forced (very suddenly) onto them in exchange for whatever the hell they got from western governments.
And now they have a democratically elected, but nevertheless authoratarian leader reminscent of their communist past and the regime (and hence country) is growing more distant from the west; expect trouble to come.
So they're a republican country then?
I'm sure you meant Republican.
I consider myself a republican, but not a Republican (if that has any meaning, as I'm not American anyway).
According to Bill, it's a new form of capitalism.
(From article): "He characterised the Chinese model in terms of 'willingness to work hard and not having quite the same medical overhead or legal overhead'".
Translation: We can have them work all the hours God sends and still pay them peanuts; even if we don't employ them, we can still use the implied threat ("medical or legal overhead" applies particularly to the US) against workers in western countries.
And they *aren't* "free" to go and find other jobs or get together in favour of better working conditions.
As for 'new'; are China the first country to practise "market fascism"? Probably not. What makes it new is the sheer scale of the country and workforce.
It's my website. Legally, and morally, you have no right to use it, any more than you have the right to use my toilet if I leave my house unlocked.
Bad analogy; even if your right to stop people visiting is enforcable, it's not like leaving your house open.
The computer equivalent to that would be exploiting a security hole to gain access to a system that clearly wasn't intended for public use.
Your website is more like a shop, in that if it's publicly accessible and the doors are open, permission is implicitly being granted for people to come in, look around, and even look at stuff. Of course, you can hang a sign on the door in a prominent position detailing conditions for use of the shop. However, a publicly accessible website, even with restrictive conditions, is still more like a shop than a house.
You mean this link:- http://www.orbitz.com/robots.txt?
:-P
Afraid they can't sue me for that. I've never visited their site (except for pop up ads which I didn't give permission for), so I haven't agreed to their silly EULA.
That was so much fun, I think I'll do it again. http://www.orbitz.com/robots.txt !!! http://www.orbitz.com/robots.txt !!! http://www.orbitz.com/robots.txt !!!
Neh neh nyeah-nyeah neh!
China, for all the hype about markets opening up their society, is still a totalitarian communist country.
No, they're a totalitarian capitalist country now. Arguably fascistic, but certainly not democratic.
China: The Biggest Red State
If China ever was truly communist (which I doubt), it sure as hell ain't now.
As someone said, when they embraced capitalism, China went from being one of the last major left-wing dictatorships to being one of the last major right-wing dictatorships.
Which doesn't necessarily make them any more free.
It's all bullcrap anyway; the supposedly left-wing North Korea is run in a pseudo-monarchistic manner by Kim Jong-Il, who took over from his father. This is about as un-left wing as you can get; not that it makes any difference. Whatever their *claimed* alleigance, dictatorships are dictatorships are dictatorships, run for the benefit of the ruling party; in that sense, they are *all* right-wing, but not in a remotely "freedom-loving" way.
The more I think about this, the more the left/right wing labels seem like a joke; they only really have relevance when it comes to free societies.
Perhaps, one day after Drive-By Downloads are stopped, a new era could emerge... A time in which east-side nerds could live side by side with west-side nerds.
But hopefully not before Bill Gates is shot dead by Larry Ellison (a la Tupac Shakur), because Steve Ballmer dissed Oracle.
Or maybe it was meant to be a 'West Side Story' reference, which suggests that the solution to the problem of bogus Verisign certificates is....
Dance!
I have a dream...
Is that a quote from Martin Luther King, or ABBA?!
You may want to get a dictionary yourself, it's spelled 'thesaurus'...
No, dumbass. 'Thesaurus' spells thesaurus.
Dictionary is spelled 'dictionary'.
Quantum Slashdot effect?
Is that the one where you don't know if the server is burning until you check it?
No; it's the one where a story gets posted on Slashdot, and in a cool EPR style, the server is melted down as a direct result within a shorter period of time than would normally be possible, given that requests to the web page shouldn't be able to travel faster than the speed of light.
Posting a story on Slashdot creates a special entanglement between the server and the computers of thousands of geeks. This means the poor server doesn't even get a split second to inhale its final breath before the messages arrive at something approaching lightspeed and melt it down.
The majority of my spam today is for Cialis instead. Anti-Viagra would've helped a couple of years ago....
Yep... as far as I know, they don't sell Cialis in the UK, but I heard about it and figured out what it was entirely from spam I received.
>> They are screwed either way. If they give it away for free, people will complain that microsoft is product dumping. If they charge, people will complain that they are making money on their software bugs.
> In other words, given their current position as a convicted monopoly, the suitable option is not to get into the anti-virus business at all. Apparently they haven't decided to take that option. Is it any surprise they get blamed no matter which subtle variant of a fundamentally foolish decision they make?
Here's the problem; if they don't give away anti-virus stuff, they're also going to get criticised for not dealing with the problems with their products.
In fact, the only 'right' solution for them is either not to be a monopoly, or to release products without so many security holes.
Microsoft charging for anti-virus and anti-spyware must be the acme of nerve. Hell, scratch that, it's brilliant. Make people pay for defective stuff you already sold them once and get away with it.
I think we just found a great definition of 'chutzpah'.
[Why can't we...] have the Chinese or the Indians build that 'Son of Hubble' telescope that someone mentioned (I cannot find the linky at the moment)... as I recall, it could be done at around $50 million and would probably be better.
In the not-so-distant future, I expect China and India to be in the position where they would be capable of doing stuff like this themselves.
They probably *won't* do stuff like that first; I expect the more commercial and the more "national-pride" projects to be those that are carried out first, but even that is a start.
And this is why I wouldn't consider a complete US withdrawl from manned space exploration to be as significant as it might at first appear.
It's also why the US *won't* withdraw from space; indeed, they'll probably do more in the next 15 years than they have in the previous 25.
Getting to put all the id10ts on a train and sending them to concentration camps? I'd vote for that!
The words 'turkey' and 'christmas' spring to mind.
this world has gone absolutely fucking insane.
And they were probably saying the same back when Pythagoras was figuring out stuff about right-angled triangles and having mathematicians he didn't like killed off.
Hey, everybody. "Pin number" is redundant. What you're actually saying is "pin number number."
You're wrong. "PIN number" means "personal identification number number", not "PIN number number".
If "PIN number" means "PIN number number", like you said, then that in turn can be expanded to "PIN number number number", which in turn means "PIN number number number number", which means....
We have an infinite loop.