I'm not either, but what counts is 'intent'. If I have no idea something is stolen, and buy it in good faith for a reasonable price, it's mine.. even if it was stolen. This is how it works in the netherlands, and probably in the entire EU. ofcourse.. if you buy an original enigma, that in itself is enough reason to at least suspect it was stolen... which is enough for the law.
but what if I type it, and decide NOT to send it.. and delete it instead? There are people who would really go for this sort of thing...lawyers mostly...
in europe there is such a thing as 'reasonable expectation of privacy', and all breaches of privacy (like snooping email) have to be known in advance. Just because the infrastructure belongs to the company doesn't give them full rights to snoop everything. And it shouldn't.. or do you think companies should also be allowed to hang cameras in their toilets? After all.. it's their property... it is reasonable to expect that you won't be taped in a compromising position on the toilet.
I'm a little ambivalent about it. I don't think the parents (or doctors) made a wrong decision. But it does open the door for more ethically questionable practices. (chuck the new kid, just keep certain parts for the old one..)
I know what you can do about it.. learn japanese. This may sound a bit harsh, but let me explain a little. I was in university (groningen, the netherlands). we had courses in 3 different languages (no, not 1 course in 3 languages: 1 course, 1 language): dutch, english and german. This wasn't a problem for anyone, and neither were teachers with english as a 2nd language teaching in english, which was also our 2nd language. Let's face it: the scientific world is an international one, and we're not all suddenly switching to english.
then there will soon be a lot of pregnant nympho-voluptuous amazon women from space.. it's all one big plot. 3 years ago there was a terrible tragedy on venus, eradicating all males. the women reverted to their fungal state to migrate to earth. arrived on earth the first thing they do is attack each and every rubber in sight: no more condoms. (the pope rejoices) having crippled a large part of humanity's anticonceptional measures, they will then proceed to fuck each and every geek on this planet, creating much offspring of their race. Earth will be overrun in 3 weeks.
hmm.. I think the Gumus case shows something. This turkish guy has run a business for years with his family (I think a laundry). He was what was called a 'white illegal', meaning yes, he was an illegal immigrant but faithfully paid taxes etc... There was a lot of ruckus when he was going to get kicked out the country. the majority of dutch people thought he and his family should be allowed to stay. The case went all the way to government, where it was decided that no exception would be made. This naturally made quite a lot of people angry. I think he now works for a travel-organization in Turkey, welcoming dutch tourists.
>If you aren't willing for it to be YOU saying it in public, then you quite possibly shouldn't be saying it.
unless ofcourse you can get killed for saying what's on your mind. This may not be the case in the US, but anonymity can be really important for political dissidents. If the US is justified in requiring everyone to identify themselves at all times, than so are other governments.
chances are you're using drugs even if you ARE a mormon.. nutmeg comes to mind. I'm glad that cup-pissing for a job is an unlawful breach of privacy in europe..
actually, I do give a shit. I don't want a net ruled by companies based on american laws practically written by those same companies. IPv6 will be adopted worldwide, so this is a worldwide issue. discounting certain problems with IPv6 because 'that's how america works' is shortsighted. Or do you want it built in the protocol to inform a government database when you view subversive information, cos that's how <insert favourite tyrannical country> works?
>Whether you like it or not, everything you do is being monitored anyway. It's just how America works.
I'm not in america, and have no intention to be. luckily, this is not how most of the world works. please don't go stuffing this monitoring down the world's throat just because some american companies may want to. the net doesn't end outside the US.
yeah, I can.. I may be dutch, but I'm not stupid:). if I thought you were from the US I wouldn't have labeled the DMCA as foreign. plus the fact that it's so incredibly easy to take shots at the US..;)
//rdj.. and I remembered to score myself down again;)
it's deliberately mislabeled. BNL is deliberately misleading people. it's like downloading PGP and finding that it was an advertisement for Network Associates. at least that's how I view it. feel free to disagree. I'll tell you about the law though: advertisements are not objective information. if an ad is not labeled as a commercial message, it could be mistaken for legitimate information.
//rdj
P.S. want obscure foreign laws? look at the DMCA..
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it's real data. it's just incorrect real data. :(
They probably thought of this though...
//rdj
and their probably right...
//rdj thinks it's time for a shag (dutch). That's fag, for you brits out there. and (self-rolled) cigarette for the americans.
and they probably drive better too. And they're not whining about telephone poles either. Although that's just the dutch taxi-drivers...
wrong. see one of my previous posts
//rdj
the guar isn't extinct. I recently read an article that some had been seen in the jungles of cambodia. You can read it here.
//rdj
I'm not either, but what counts is 'intent'. If I have no idea something is stolen, and buy it in good faith for a reasonable price, it's mine.. even if it was stolen. This is how it works in the netherlands, and probably in the entire EU. ofcourse.. if you buy an original enigma, that in itself is enough reason to at least suspect it was stolen... which is enough for the law.
//rdj
but what if I type it, and decide NOT to send it.. and delete it instead? There are people who would really go for this sort of thing...lawyers mostly...
//rdj
in europe there is such a thing as 'reasonable expectation of privacy', and all breaches of privacy (like snooping email) have to be known in advance. Just because the infrastructure belongs to the company doesn't give them full rights to snoop everything. And it shouldn't.. or do you think companies should also be allowed to hang cameras in their toilets? After all.. it's their property... it is reasonable to expect that you won't be taped in a compromising position on the toilet.
//rdj
//rdj
I'm a little ambivalent about it. I don't think the parents (or doctors) made a wrong decision. But it does open the door for more ethically questionable practices. (chuck the new kid, just keep certain parts for the old one..)
mostly though.. it's positive.
//rdj
I know what you can do about it.. learn japanese. This may sound a bit harsh, but let me explain a little. I was in university (groningen, the netherlands). we had courses in 3 different languages (no, not 1 course in 3 languages: 1 course, 1 language): dutch, english and german. This wasn't a problem for anyone, and neither were teachers with english as a 2nd language teaching in english, which was also our 2nd language. Let's face it: the scientific world is an international one, and we're not all suddenly switching to english.
//rdj
then there will soon be a lot of pregnant nympho-voluptuous amazon women from space.. it's all one big plot. 3 years ago there was a terrible tragedy on venus, eradicating all males. the women reverted to their fungal state to migrate to earth. arrived on earth the first thing they do is attack each and every rubber in sight: no more condoms. (the pope rejoices) having crippled a large part of humanity's anticonceptional measures, they will then proceed to fuck each and every geek on this planet, creating much offspring of their race. Earth will be overrun in 3 weeks.
or maybe not..
//rdj
hmm.. I think the Gumus case shows something. This turkish guy has run a business for years with his family (I think a laundry). He was what was called a 'white illegal', meaning yes, he was an illegal immigrant but faithfully paid taxes etc... There was a lot of ruckus when he was going to get kicked out the country. the majority of dutch people thought he and his family should be allowed to stay. The case went all the way to government, where it was decided that no exception would be made. This naturally made quite a lot of people angry. I think he now works for a travel-organization in Turkey, welcoming dutch tourists.
//rdj
urgh.. koeieuier.. it's even worse than zeeeend.
;) I wonder how english speakers would pronounce it...
it's also misspelt, and should be koeienuier in the new spelling.
//rdj.
>If you aren't willing for it to be YOU saying it in public, then you quite possibly shouldn't be saying it.
unless ofcourse you can get killed for saying what's on your mind. This may not be the case in the US, but anonymity can be really important for political dissidents. If the US is justified in requiring everyone to identify themselves at all times, than so are other governments.
//rdj
1 player, 2 joysticks.. hmm...
chances are you're using drugs even if you ARE a mormon.. nutmeg comes to mind. I'm glad that cup-pissing for a job is an unlawful breach of privacy in europe..
//rdj
actually, I do give a shit. I don't want a net ruled by companies based on american laws practically written by those same companies. IPv6 will be adopted worldwide, so this is a worldwide issue. discounting certain problems with IPv6 because 'that's how america works' is shortsighted. Or do you want it built in the protocol to inform a government database when you view subversive information, cos that's how <insert favourite tyrannical country> works?
//rdj
>Whether you like it or not, everything you do is being monitored anyway. It's just how America works.
I'm not in america, and have no intention to be. luckily, this is not how most of the world works. please don't go stuffing this monitoring down the world's throat just because some american companies may want to. the net doesn't end outside the US.
//rdj
try intelligence.com ;)
//rdj
I doubt smokedot will fix it any time soon.. ;)
//rdj
> Not something I'd put a person in at first, ...
Oh.. I could think of a few persons I'd like to put in there...
//rdj
3 words: demand a percentage...
//rdj
the middle one is there.. it's the left and right that are missing..
//rdj
yeah, I can.. I may be dutch, but I'm not stupid :). if I thought you were from the US I wouldn't have labeled the DMCA as foreign. plus the fact that it's so incredibly easy to take shots at the US.. ;)
;)
//rdj.. and I remembered to score myself down again
it's deliberately mislabeled. BNL is deliberately misleading people. it's like downloading PGP and finding that it was an advertisement for Network Associates. at least that's how I view it. feel free to disagree. I'll tell you about the law though: advertisements are not objective information. if an ad is not labeled as a commercial message, it could be mistaken for legitimate information.
//rdj
P.S. want obscure foreign laws? look at the DMCA..