"and those may be conservative estimates at that"...
It makes you wonder exactly how much we are effecting the environment based on the chemicals and fossile fuels used. Especially since chips in general (not just DRAM) are being used in many more things now and I would think is generally curving in an accelerated rate.
Consider this though, the person who can create chips using a less environmentally harmful meathod, and manage the costs could be the next big engineer....
One would think that educational institutions would snatch something like this up in a heartbeat (same goes for the GPL version of education documents and reference material). Or is it that the maturity of the project isnt near what standard university requirements yet is the hold up?
I see the problem as being partially funding, and partially lack of reason.
Maine Uni's are bearly supplying student teachers with ibooks to train on and they are actually dealing with the technology in schools, thats the biggest complaint right that teachers and students alike have.
As far as linux in the classroom, there is, in the minds of administration, little reason beyond cost to use/teach linux to the general public. When the average business will use windows, why not focus what little time, cash and effort you have to something that is more likely to be fruitful. Once you get to higher education, then a select focus for those students, who are going into a field where it will be found, or atleast more likely to be found are exposed and trained somewhat in the art of administrating such a system.
On a personal note, I see this as being the one route that linux will take hold in maine schools for. Not for the educational standpoint or for its coolness factor, or even how it has the free speach. Price, its free in many cases. Now, dont get me wrong, the economy here (as I am from this area in question) needs to cut and trim when and where possible to survive, and as such, I'd lay money that this decision to use linux was economical in addition, if not more so, then the stated reason of licensing. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing out a little local speculation is all. ^_^
Well, I can speak for those at my school (UMPI) who live in the dorms. The games are widly held as being king over Halo or UT style games.
Now why this happens can possibly be attributed to the same reasons why Nintendo wont grow up (see previous slashdot story for more info); people seem to want simple games that are just fun. Nothing complex, nothing where many days/weeks are required to learn the game or even become proficient at it. People (atleast those that I have contact with) appear to fit into this reasoning.
Nope, woke up and skipped my first class that day and spent an hour hammering ticketmaster's servers with 4 other friends to get tickets and to no avail. at another uni, one of my friends got 2 and he's going, but he wasnt part of our pool (we had it setup so we all knew ahead of time if person A got tickets, then person B would be going with them, and if person B got tickets, then person C would go and it went arround so everyone got a fair chance).
(some) Punk bands allowed by etree standards (and can even be found on etree:
Fugazi Modest Mouse (a whole buttload can be found on further)
Others from similar genres include: Hank Williams 3 Smashing Pumpkins Zwan Weezer Metalica (ok, a stretch, but anyway)
Hope this helps some. Just depends on where you look. ^_^
My suggestion would be to look over on further, or on the etree database (db.etree.org) and search for specific shows if you cant find them on further and ask those people who have them. Takes about 2 weeks, maybe a month, but once your in the circle, getting shows isnt hard.
Others have stated what boards and lineage are, so I'll skip that part, but you said that "we have all heard audience tapes and they suck"
No, you havn't. I hate to be blunt about it, but you dont know what your talking about. Specifically in the realm in Phish and other taper friendly bands.
Yes, 30 years ago when Philips was still working on their Cassette recorders and tuning them so they werent pathetic, there were problems. Mostly that bands didnt allow taping, and people were using the onboard mic which wasnt built for accoustic reproduction. Although, even THEN there were mics which were and equipment (7.5ips and 15ips reels) which archived sound better then cassette decks w/ built in mics do for many recordings *now*. Anyone who is serious about taping shows spends upwards of $2000 and goes for (picking examples) Schoeps mics and a nice Apogee A/D converter and a Tascam DAT recorder so nothing hits analog anymore, or even tapes with 24b/96khz and runs straight into a Tibook w/ USB SPDIF in. Thats not even counting the stands to elevate the mics above people so they dont pick up as much audience noise, but enough to keep the feeling and warmth of the environment.
For many bands, this is the norm now, this is who's taping, not your brother with his cassette deck who is sitting in the nosebleed section next to his screaming girlfriend. These recordings rival, if not surpass a studio recording in many aspects, such as feeling and ambience.
Last but not least, you say that this will publicise the band, but keeps users paying for albums. The people who download and pay for these are the same people who own every album. Etree vocalizes the effort bands put into their albums and encourages traders to buy all of their albums before getting shows, to help the band along and show support. Many people do this, and it shows band loyalty. The partial logic behind doing this for distrabution is that the band is giving back to the phans. Thats why Trey gave phans a copy of the July 4th board tape from his solo tour last year, or why the band does little things like spread tapes or let phans trade their shows.
Go ahead, flame me if you wish, its not my fault you didnt do much research before posting.
> What these people need to wise up to is that you should just make yourself a pseudonym, use no personally traceable information, and post your content on a site with an active legal team, like Slashdot's journal system.
Nothing to see here folks, keep moving...
In other news, usage of the journal feature in Slashdot's website have risen 400% in under 24 hours. Taco and most of the crew issue a statement to the media that people have just learned where the option to use it is, and CowboyNeil just comments at random intervals...
No corelation between the two.;-p
As someone pointed out Cage's composiution is whats arround you. One could take the concept and use/dev/random > ripoff.mp3 and clip it at 4:33 and a point could be made that while Cage used the environment to produce his peice, you could use a computer's environment and what it "hears" as a basis for your composition and then watch him sue. (I just finished that chapter in my intro to art class is the only reason I can talk about it with any reasonable efficiency... bleh, makes my head hurt to think about it too much)
Better yet, would the script you make violate the DMCA because it is used as a way of bypassing copyrights/IP? Are all/.ers now in violation for reading your meathod?;-p
> I woke up for the Leonids this year. First time I've EVER woken up in the middle of the night to see a meteor shower.
Lets just shorten that to "First time I've ever woken up in the middle of the night" and I'd call it good to go. I too woke up early to see them, and that was the first time I can remember that I had EVER seen the sun rise and sleeping during that same night (staying up all night doesnt count)
> So who out there is an audiophile and listens to compressed streams of music?
There is a time and place for everything. This theory can be used on numerous levels and situations (pay attention linux zealots...)
I have been getting stuff via etree/further/DC in SHN and FLAC for almost 2 years now, and I still listen to lossy music, but for different reasons. My car stereo is cheap, and I use the built in speakers. I cant tell the difference and thats fine for that use.
I have a giant CDR collection thanks to my SHN addiction and to take shows on the road with me, I've been using minidiscs (along with a set of nice mics make great for taping) and thats lossy, but for the instances I'm using it and the benefits it portreys, it works the best of all of my availible technologies.
I stream internet radio from Digitally Imported once a week or so while I'm at work, and I do that because finding lossless techno is harder to do then said, and I dont mind loosing a little bit to hear something new but not enough reason to keep it (the theory of radio in my mind).
To bring this back on topic. I encode some shows that I have from SHN to OGG, and use them on my ibook to take to class and do demonstrations about multicultural events that take place on campus, or various promotional materials that are used in hiring acts to visit the school. No reason to have these be lossless to have their objective accomplished.
Granted, for archival, and something you are INSANELY PASSIONATE ABOUT, thats when lossless comes into play, till then, it may not be the best way and many people realize this.
The difference is that SHN has gotten 18+ months of exposure as compared to the 2-3 that FLAC has gotten.
Granted, I understand where your coming from, but thats why you see it everyone, as such, in my mind, it gets the job done and a lot of people also believe that. Same reason (well, one of) why Ogg isnt well saturated.
In theory your first point makes sense if your tight on space. On that point though, where does it become economical to have the trade off of spare (presumed) server cpu cycles for bitpeeling and hdd space for pre-peeled files? With the current state of X86 hardware, or even PPC hardware, one would think that it would be easier to use space CPU cycles, but I havnt done much research into this. An interesting thing that someone could do and throw up as a little chart on the Vorbis FAQ site for those of us interested and too lazy to do it themselves. ^_^
Ok, to get it out of the way before someone else does; Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these;-p
but besides that point, on the second page, about half way down, they talk about how nobody really knew what was going to happen when "orc met elf" par say, so they just let it randomly play out. Friggin neat IMHO. So in theory, they could throw extra renders on of different battles for special edition dvds and such.... Imagine the posibilities (while you imagine a beowulf cluster of these).
- School recitals (you sang off key when you were 7, and you still do at 27...) - Freshmen year in college (remember how you used duct tape in the bed of your pickup, filled it with bubbles and hot water and drove account campus *attempting* to pick up chicks with a portable hottub as bait) - Failed $p3ll1ng T3StS (having Taco as a tutor was not the brightest of ideas)
These are people who have never used a PC before, or if they have, never learned how to use windows. These aren't college students, but people who live in poor areas and dont have access to a machine currently. Thats why its just for web surfing and email (the word processing bit was thrown in in case we need to give some to students here, but I think the term idea up at the top which I replied to may fit that, but anyway).
These arent people who will develop, or need the terminal (or ever install anything). People like someone's grandmother, or an aunt who has never used a PC. 10;1 says that if I did a background that had a fake startbar at the bottom, it would never register that they werent using Windows9x. Not stupid people, just technically illiterate.
While I hadn't thought of that, its not possible for this. I tried to fit everything in a neat paragraph and neglected to mention that the machines will be shipped all over the state to non-students and students alike. Issues like modem/ethernet useage have come up, but thats about it so far. Thanks for the idea though, it will help with the 10 or so we need to do on campus.
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"and those may be conservative estimates at that"...
It makes you wonder exactly how much we are effecting the environment based on the chemicals and fossile fuels used. Especially since chips in general (not just DRAM) are being used in many more things now and I would think is generally curving in an accelerated rate.
Consider this though, the person who can create chips using a less environmentally harmful meathod, and manage the costs could be the next big engineer....
One would think that educational institutions would snatch something like this up in a heartbeat (same goes for the GPL version of education documents and reference material). Or is it that the maturity of the project isnt near what standard university requirements yet is the hold up?
I see the problem as being partially funding, and partially lack of reason.
Maine Uni's are bearly supplying student teachers with ibooks to train on and they are actually dealing with the technology in schools, thats the biggest complaint right that teachers and students alike have.
As far as linux in the classroom, there is, in the minds of administration, little reason beyond cost to use/teach linux to the general public. When the average business will use windows, why not focus what little time, cash and effort you have to something that is more likely to be fruitful. Once you get to higher education, then a select focus for those students, who are going into a field where it will be found, or atleast more likely to be found are exposed and trained somewhat in the art of administrating such a system.
On a personal note, I see this as being the one route that linux will take hold in maine schools for. Not for the educational standpoint or for its coolness factor, or even how it has the free speach. Price, its free in many cases. Now, dont get me wrong, the economy here (as I am from this area in question) needs to cut and trim when and where possible to survive, and as such, I'd lay money that this decision to use linux was economical in addition, if not more so, then the stated reason of licensing. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing out a little local speculation is all. ^_^
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Well, I can speak for those at my school (UMPI) who live in the dorms. The games are widly held as being king over Halo or UT style games.
Now why this happens can possibly be attributed to the same reasons why Nintendo wont grow up (see previous slashdot story for more info); people seem to want simple games that are just fun. Nothing complex, nothing where many days/weeks are required to learn the game or even become proficient at it. People (atleast those that I have contact with) appear to fit into this reasoning.
3 cents (was 2, but inflation is a w3nch)
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Nope, woke up and skipped my first class that day and spent an hour hammering ticketmaster's servers with 4 other friends to get tickets and to no avail. at another uni, one of my friends got 2 and he's going, but he wasnt part of our pool (we had it setup so we all knew ahead of time if person A got tickets, then person B would be going with them, and if person B got tickets, then person C would go and it went arround so everyone got a fair chance).
The things we do as phans.
(some) Punk bands allowed by etree standards (and can even be found on etree:
Fugazi
Modest Mouse (a whole buttload can be found on further)
Others from similar genres include:
Hank Williams 3
Smashing Pumpkins
Zwan
Weezer
Metalica (ok, a stretch, but anyway)
Hope this helps some. Just depends on where you look. ^_^
My suggestion would be to look over on further, or on the etree database (db.etree.org) and search for specific shows if you cant find them on further and ask those people who have them. Takes about 2 weeks, maybe a month, but once your in the circle, getting shows isnt hard.
Others have stated what boards and lineage are, so I'll skip that part, but you said that "we have all heard audience tapes and they suck"
No, you havn't. I hate to be blunt about it, but you dont know what your talking about. Specifically in the realm in Phish and other taper friendly bands.
Yes, 30 years ago when Philips was still working on their Cassette recorders and tuning them so they werent pathetic, there were problems. Mostly that bands didnt allow taping, and people were using the onboard mic which wasnt built for accoustic reproduction. Although, even THEN there were mics which were and equipment (7.5ips and 15ips reels) which archived sound better then cassette decks w/ built in mics do for many recordings *now*. Anyone who is serious about taping shows spends upwards of $2000 and goes for (picking examples) Schoeps mics and a nice Apogee A/D converter and a Tascam DAT recorder so nothing hits analog anymore, or even tapes with 24b/96khz and runs straight into a Tibook w/ USB SPDIF in. Thats not even counting the stands to elevate the mics above people so they dont pick up as much audience noise, but enough to keep the feeling and warmth of the environment.
For many bands, this is the norm now, this is who's taping, not your brother with his cassette deck who is sitting in the nosebleed section next to his screaming girlfriend. These recordings rival, if not surpass a studio recording in many aspects, such as feeling and ambience.
Last but not least, you say that this will publicise the band, but keeps users paying for albums. The people who download and pay for these are the same people who own every album. Etree vocalizes the effort bands put into their albums and encourages traders to buy all of their albums before getting shows, to help the band along and show support. Many people do this, and it shows band loyalty. The partial logic behind doing this for distrabution is that the band is giving back to the phans. Thats why Trey gave phans a copy of the July 4th board tape from his solo tour last year, or why the band does little things like spread tapes or let phans trade their shows.
Go ahead, flame me if you wish, its not my fault you didnt do much research before posting.
> What these people need to wise up to is that you should just make yourself a pseudonym, use no personally traceable information, and post your content on a site with an active legal team, like Slashdot's journal system. Nothing to see here folks, keep moving... In other news, usage of the journal feature in Slashdot's website have risen 400% in under 24 hours. Taco and most of the crew issue a statement to the media that people have just learned where the option to use it is, and CowboyNeil just comments at random intervals... No corelation between the two. ;-p
> Last Weeks Article [slashdot.org]
/. repeats.
./ repeats for christmas.
In many aspects, this should surprise me, but it doesnt.
You know what I want for a geeky christmas gift; no
So in summery, let me repeat myself because the editors seem to do so really well; no
As someone pointed out Cage's composiution is whats arround you. One could take the concept and use /dev/random > ripoff.mp3 and clip it at 4:33 and a point could be made that while Cage used the environment to produce his peice, you could use a computer's environment and what it "hears" as a basis for your composition and then watch him sue. (I just finished that chapter in my intro to art class is the only reason I can talk about it with any reasonable efficiency... bleh, makes my head hurt to think about it too much)
/.ers now in violation for reading your meathod? ;-p
Better yet, would the script you make violate the DMCA because it is used as a way of bypassing copyrights/IP? Are all
> I woke up for the Leonids this year. First time I've EVER woken up in the middle of the night to see a meteor shower.
Lets just shorten that to "First time I've ever woken up in the middle of the night" and I'd call it good to go. I too woke up early to see them, and that was the first time I can remember that I had EVER seen the sun rise and sleeping during that same night (staying up all night doesnt count)
> So who out there is an audiophile and listens to compressed streams of music?
There is a time and place for everything. This theory can be used on numerous levels and situations (pay attention linux zealots...)
I have been getting stuff via etree/further/DC in SHN and FLAC for almost 2 years now, and I still listen to lossy music, but for different reasons. My car stereo is cheap, and I use the built in speakers. I cant tell the difference and thats fine for that use.
I have a giant CDR collection thanks to my SHN addiction and to take shows on the road with me, I've been using minidiscs (along with a set of nice mics make great for taping) and thats lossy, but for the instances I'm using it and the benefits it portreys, it works the best of all of my availible technologies.
I stream internet radio from Digitally Imported once a week or so while I'm at work, and I do that because finding lossless techno is harder to do then said, and I dont mind loosing a little bit to hear something new but not enough reason to keep it (the theory of radio in my mind).
To bring this back on topic. I encode some shows that I have from SHN to OGG, and use them on my ibook to take to class and do demonstrations about multicultural events that take place on campus, or various promotional materials that are used in hiring acts to visit the school. No reason to have these be lossless to have their objective accomplished.
Granted, for archival, and something you are INSANELY PASSIONATE ABOUT, thats when lossless comes into play, till then, it may not be the best way and many people realize this.
The difference is that SHN has gotten 18+ months of exposure as compared to the 2-3 that FLAC has gotten.
Granted, I understand where your coming from, but thats why you see it everyone, as such, in my mind, it gets the job done and a lot of people also believe that. Same reason (well, one of) why Ogg isnt well saturated.
In theory your first point makes sense if your tight on space. On that point though, where does it become economical to have the trade off of spare (presumed) server cpu cycles for bitpeeling and hdd space for pre-peeled files? With the current state of X86 hardware, or even PPC hardware, one would think that it would be easier to use space CPU cycles, but I havnt done much research into this. An interesting thing that someone could do and throw up as a little chart on the Vorbis FAQ site for those of us interested and too lazy to do it themselves. ^_^
Ok, to get it out of the way before someone else does; ;-p
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these
but besides that point, on the second page, about half way down, they talk about how nobody really knew what was going to happen when "orc met elf" par say, so they just let it randomly play out. Friggin neat IMHO. So in theory, they could throw extra renders on of different battles for special edition dvds and such.... Imagine the posibilities (while you imagine a beowulf cluster of these).
Saitoh
Outtakes:
- School recitals (you sang off key when you were 7, and you still do at 27...)
- Freshmen year in college (remember how you used duct tape in the bed of your pickup, filled it with bubbles and hot water and drove account campus *attempting* to pick up chicks with a portable hottub as bait)
- Failed $p3ll1ng T3StS (having Taco as a tutor was not the brightest of ideas)
Yep, I just about can.
These are people who have never used a PC before, or if they have, never learned how to use windows. These aren't college students, but people who live in poor areas and dont have access to a machine currently. Thats why its just for web surfing and email (the word processing bit was thrown in in case we need to give some to students here, but I think the term idea up at the top which I replied to may fit that, but anyway).
These arent people who will develop, or need the terminal (or ever install anything). People like someone's grandmother, or an aunt who has never used a PC. 10;1 says that if I did a background that had a fake startbar at the bottom, it would never register that they werent using Windows9x. Not stupid people, just technically illiterate.
While I hadn't thought of that, its not possible for this. I tried to fit everything in a neat paragraph and neglected to mention that the machines will be shipped all over the state to non-students and students alike. Issues like modem/ethernet useage have come up, but thats about it so far.
Thanks for the idea though, it will help with the 10 or so we need to do on campus.
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